lol

But they paid tens of thousands of dollars to the right people so it's ok.

NCLEX isn’t that hard

It's only a little about actual knowledge.  What it really does is to show that the test taker has the absolute minimal amount of good judgement and critical thinking skills to not get patients hurt or worse out of the gate.  I know some duds manage to slip through but that's true for pretty much anything else as well.

As long as the ending is happy I don't care

3 year Diploma RNs were the best RNs. They went to strictly classes that related to nursing and didn't have all the elective crap that BSNs have to go through. They also had a crap ton of clinic experience by the time they graduated because they worked shifts as nurses aids while going to school. When they graduated they could step on the floor and perform with very little orientation.

Diploma grad from a hospital based program. I came into the program as a Lpn so it shaved a few months off the program. We were required to have our prerequisite classes finished before the start of the program. I did most of mine while I was a laborer. We would have 1-2 days of theory then we would spend the rest of our time on the floors not only learning but providing free labor. I passed both of my nclex exams on the first go around but it not as simple as it seems. The tests are random questions and you can have a few of each up to many, even if you are passing with the minimum amount the program can have you do all of them. I believe 75 was minimum and 350 was max. It was nerve racking to say the least. Can anyone pass, sure if they are good test takers. I think the only reason I passed was because of the clinical skills I learned and not the theory.

Or it’s a testament to the exam not being an accurate assessment of the skills and education required for an RN license.

My wife has worked with several of them

LOL....I don't know what the hell ya'll doing to them nurses in the military but I went to college at the largest nursing school in the region and their shit wasn't hard. Maybe the hardest part was cleaning some old mans ass during clinicals.

They don't even take real organic chem, the Org Chem I took in HS was more indept than the Gen chem the BSN's take.

I was pre med BTW

Looks like only 1/3 passed the exam after paying for a coach to teach them how to take the test.

10k for LPN

17k for RN

They went to states like NY that let you take the proctored test until you pass.

Sienna College had someone on the inside helping the scammers by selling the credentials of the school.

When you think of the ROI, it’s tempting to take this route. New RNs her are starting at 80k and experienced ones are easily six figures now.

Personally, the big issue is the demonstrated lack of moral turpitude. I would not want someone who has callus disregard for the profession and the law working where strict standards of care and professional ethics are necessary

What's the breakdown in RN vs LPN/VN?

I know for RNs a diploma is only one step, there's still a state board exam to earn a license.

VN? Vetenarian Nurse?

If they passed the test either they know their shit or the test sucks

The test usually measures minimal competence to make sure you're not a danger to the public.

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/987687

Somebody’s going to jail…hopefully

Vocational Nurse

LPN/LVN

Licensed Practical Nurse/Licensed Vocational Nurse
Same thing, I think Texas and California use LVN, other states use LPN.

"Disparities in Health Care"
Just give them sidewalks in their food desert and magically everyone will exercise and eat right!

Weird double tap

Weird triple tap...

It's the ones that get hired at nursing homes that bother me.

When did they neuter the test down to a 60 question minimum?

During Covid they made it easier

New grads during that time were horrible, most had no actual clinical experience

They’re all travelers now lol

I prefer PAs and NPs to MDs.

BSN is nurses who are trying to make nursing an academic field… like the biology department or physics department or whatever. They push all this “research” and “evidence-based practice” in an effort to legitimize their stupid university programs. It’s them trying to distance themselves from nursing being considered a vocation and being done through hospital programs, which were often better than colleges. The only good thing about it is it does seem to help SOME nurses with critical thinking. Notice the emphasis on “some” in the previous sentence.

I found the NCLEX hard as fuck. I knew NONE of the answers right away. When it shut off at 75 questions (in 66 minutes), I felt like a total failure. I was like “damn, it only took them the minimum to know I’m a dumbass.” My buddy the week before had 265, which was the max at the time. But I passed.

I haven’t done a single bit of research or looked at anything “evidence-based” since I got out of school. I’m just trying to keep people alive & improve their condition.

I'm in an ASN program right now. There are a years worth of prerequisites and the actual program is 2 years so it's more like 3 if that makes sense.

You would think that it would be more advantageous for a nursing degree to be more of a technical certification, similar to an A&P, during which you are tested on stuff that you would actually do as a nurse. For example, my wife went through a dental assistant training program. All of the classroom stuff was on policies and procedures, equipment, so on and so forth. She then proceeded to the hands-on training which was shadowing a dental assistant. No "extra" bullshit like "unconscious bias against POC patients and how you can change", just "here's the practical knowledge that you need to know to be a dental assistant."

Nursing is my 3rd career; been a machinist and a sheet metal (HVAC) journeyman.
Nursing should absolutely be done via an apprenticeship program.

One of the issues with nursing is that there's so much variety within the field. An RN in a doc's office has a totally different job than an RN in a school who has a totally different job than an RN in an ED who has a very different job than an RN in an ICU  or on a med/surg floor (though there are a lot of skills that cross over from the floors to ED).

A lot of people, including my wife (10+ year ICU CCRN) make the comment that nursing school is worthless and you learn everything on the job, but usually those people worked as techs before they became an RN, and/or like her already have a medical background (she had a biology degree and worked as a CNA prior to nursing school).

I have a somewhat different perspective because I had zero patient care interaction outside of clinicals  prior to starting as a new grad in the ED (things that wouldn't have happened 10 years ago).

I think that some of the classroom learning is valuable (A&P,  micro bio, some of the nursing/medical theory), and I think everyone who is thinking about entering the field should work as a tech while in school if you can afford to (would have been a 50+% pay cut for me, which is why it didn't happen, but it would have been beneficial).

Our hospital system currently has an acute shortage of techs because the job fucking sucks, especially on the floors and in part because they're so short. One tech for 50+ patients isn't functional.
The BSN BS is just that. New grad BSNs are no better than new grad community college RNs, they just know more of the academic/bureaucratic bullshit that systems want for management positions, which is what they care about. No one in management gives a fuck about anyone on the floor; no one in management *actually* gives a fuck about patients.
Management just cares about numbers and metrics just like any corporate MBA fucktwat.