[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Is MLK overrated? (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 1/16/2012 3:19:55 PM EDT
| Ok, the question is, do you think MLK is overrated? |
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He was a horrible person and a fraud 
He was a Republican and a visionary. Flawed, as all men are, but an important figure. Letters from a Birmingham Jail is an excellent read. He started down the wrong path during the Viet Nam conflict and IMHO strayed form his central message of personal responsibility. If American "blacks" were actually following his vision, as a whole, they would be far better off. |
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He was a horrible person and a fraud This is true, if he was such a great man, his message would still carry on today. Unfortunately it is just more a sense of black pride, than a warrior for a union of civilization.
The "message" of freedom, liberty and limited government was the messages of our Founding Fathers... I guess they weren't great either, since that message isn't "carried on" in general. (MLK's message is carried on, BTW. By Conservatives.) |
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The man was extremely flawed. It's always easier to have a rosy picture of a martyr - one confuses the cause that led to the man's death with the man himself. I think everyone has flaws. I'm just asking if you think his overall contribution warrants the attention he gets, including a federal holiday. |
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He was a horrible person and a fraud This is true, if he was such a great man, his message would still carry on today. Unfortunately it is just more a sense of black pride, than a warrior for a union of civilization.
The "message" of freedom, liberty and limited government was the messages of our Founding Fathers... I guess they weren't great either, since that message isn't "carried on" in general. (MLK's message is carried on, BTW. By Conservatives.) I am still one for the original message of our forefathers. I was referring to the continuation of the message in regards to equality for all, which is slipping as fast as each of the different population's keep themselves separate from each other. Equality shall not exist with the separatist attitudes that is all to prevalent today. For example "-American". |
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In order to be fair you have to consider MLK in the context of the 1960's.
Blacks were sick and tired of being second class citizens. Their choices were peaceful change as advocated by MLK or violent revolution as threatened by Malcolm X. He was far from perfect, but he helped facilitate necessary change in civil rights in America. |
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The man was extremely flawed. It's always easier to have a rosy picture of a martyr - one confuses the cause that led to the man's death with the man himself. I think everyone has flaws. I'm just asking if you think his overall contributoin warrants the attention he gets, including a federal holiday. Yes, he is one person that promoted equality in a peaceful manner. Not trying to gather around a hate and violence filled message and methods. A la Malcolm X. . |
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He was a horrible person and a fraud This is true, if he was such a great man, his message would still carry on today. Unfortunately it is just more a sense of black pride, than a warrior for a union of civilization.
The "message" of freedom, liberty and limited government was the messages of our Founding Fathers... I guess they weren't great either, since that message isn't "carried on" in general. (MLK's message is carried on, BTW. By Conservatives.) I am still one for the original message of our forefathers. I was referring to the continuation of the message in regards to equality for all, which is slipping as fast as each of the different population's keep themselves separate from each other. Equality shall not exist with the separatist attitudes that is all to prevalent today. For example "-American". Well, I'm still following the ideals of the founders as well, but look around you: America is a welfare/nanny state with a GD communist for a POTUS. My point is that what happens to the original message isn't the fault of the original messenger. MLK would not be pleased with the state of affairs in the black community, any more than Jefferson would be with DC. I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. ^^^ That is conservatism.^^^ 
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He was a horrible person and a fraud This is true, if he was such a great man, his message would still carry on today. Unfortunately it is just more a sense of black pride, than a warrior for a union of civilization.
The "message" of freedom, liberty and limited government was the messages of our Founding Fathers... I guess they weren't great either, since that message isn't "carried on" in general. (MLK's message is carried on, BTW. By Conservatives.) I am still one for the original message of our forefathers. I was referring to the continuation of the message in regards to equality for all, which is slipping as fast as each of the different population's keep themselves separate from each other. Equality shall not exist with the separatist attitudes that is all to prevalent today. For example "-American". Well, I'm still following the ideals of the founders as well, but look around you: America is a welfare/nanny state with a GD communist for a POTUS. My point is that what happens to the original message isn't the fault of the original messenger. MLK would not be pleased with the state of affairs in the black community, any more than Jefferson would be with DC. I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. ^^^ That is conservatism.^^^
I will agree with you, but i feel my original quoted post was taken in a misunderstanding. I am all for the original message of our forefather and MLK, but his message is lost amongst the people of today. There is no more unity, but only me, me , me. The character he wanted reflected by his people, is all but finished, they are still stuck in "we want our reparations" , this is reflected in the abuse of the financial aid program and lack of enough pride to fend for them selves. |
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Quoted: He was against the entitlement system and absolutely believed in "pulling yourself up by the boot straps". He wasn't the current breed of "civil rights" activists that want reparations and be given a ton of free shit. He sure pulled himself up by plagiarizing his thesis and his "I have a dream" speech. |
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He was a horrible person and a fraud
He was a Republican and a visionary. Flawed, as all men are, but an important figure. Letters from a Birmingham Jail is an excellent read. He started down the wrong path during the Viet Nam conflict and IMHO strayed form his central message of personal responsibility. If American "blacks" were actually following his vision, as a whole, they would be far better off. So his plagiarism has no effect on your opinion? If he did that shit today he would have failed out of college and would have never been a Dr. He is a fraud. He stole from others to get a degree and then also stole to use in his speeches. |
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He had flaws, but so did JFK and every person. His message has been corrupted by Jesse Jackson and Sharpton. Instead of "work and overcome" it is now "sit back and feed off of the Gov't tit". Again like JFK, he is held to a greater standard because he died a martyr. |
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He was a horrible person and a fraud
He was a Republican and a visionary. Flawed, as all men are, but an important figure. Letters from a Birmingham Jail is an excellent read. He started down the wrong path during the Viet Nam conflict and IMHO strayed form his central message of personal responsibility. If American "blacks" were actually following his vision, as a whole, they would be far better off. So his plagiarism has no effect on your opinion? If he did that shit today he would have failed out of college and would have never been a Dr. He is a fraud. He stole from others to get a degree and then also stole to use in his speeches. I love the whole, the man made a mistake at 21, so he was an awful human being for the rest of his life argument. His plagiarism is certainly not the measure of him as a man. The man was no angel but who is? Those who have never sinned usually accomplish very little in life. Those who judge a man based on one failing or human frailty, please enjoy the view of life from the bleachers..... 
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He was a horrible person and a fraud
He was a Republican and a visionary. Flawed, as all men are, but an important figure. Letters from a Birmingham Jail is an excellent read. He started down the wrong path during the Viet Nam conflict and IMHO strayed form his central message of personal responsibility. If American "blacks" were actually following his vision, as a whole, they would be far better off. So his plagiarism has no effect on your opinion? If he did that shit today he would have failed out of college and would have never been a Dr. He is a fraud. He stole from others to get a degree and then also stole to use in his speeches. I love the whole, the man made a mistake at 21, so he was an awful human being for the rest of his life argument. His plagiarism is certainly not the measure of him as a man. The man was no angel but who is? Those who have never sinned usually accomplish very little in life. Those who judge a man based on one failing or human frailty, please enjoy the view of life from the bleachers.....
Yes but he lived out the rest of his life having people call him doctor. |
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My 2 cents ... When I listen to MLK's speeches, I usually agree whole heartedly with the content of the speech, but in tone and inflection he always seems to come across as an "us against them" speaker ...... the "us" being blacks and the "them" being the *typical white person* as so eloquently described by our dear leader. I think this has greatly nurtured the whole genre of *acceptable* anti-white discrimination being promoted and implimented by the government. Subsequently, his influence may have made race relations in the USA worse rather than better, given the continued racial hypocrasy of the dominant black culture. |
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He was against the entitlement system and absolutely believed in "pulling yourself up by the boot straps".He wasn't the current breed of "civil rights" activists that want reparations and be given a ton of free shit. Not 15 seconds ago, there was a clip of him on TV. He was plugging entitlements, and I quote, "...It is the height of cruelty to tell a man to pull himself up by his boot straps, when he has no boots..." |
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The man was extremely flawed. It's always easier to have a rosy picture of a martyr - one confuses the cause that led to the man's death with the man himself. I think everyone has flaws. I'm just asking if you think his overall contribution warrants the attention he gets, including a federal holiday. Washington doesn't have a federal holiday as far a I know... Yes we recognize his birthday, but not a federal holiday. MLK more deserving than Washington?
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The man was extremely flawed. It's always easier to have a rosy picture of a martyr - one confuses the cause that led to the man's death with the man himself. I think everyone has flaws. I'm just asking if you think his overall contribution warrants the attention he gets, including a federal holiday. Washington doesn't have a federal holiday as far a I know... Yes we recognize his birthday, but not a federal holiday. MLK more deserving than Washington? Washington's Birthday is the official name of the federal holiday commonly known as "Presidents' Day". |