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Posted: 10/10/2023 10:45:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mikhail_86: Yes. EFP's are large shaped charges ETA: Wiki the ones we saw in Iraq were all supposedly sourced via Iran Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mikhail_86: Originally Posted By Stutzmech: Are the very large ones EFPs or shaped charges? Yes. EFP's are large shaped charges ETA: Wiki the ones we saw in Iraq were all supposedly sourced via Iran You guys talking about the subwoofer looking ones? |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 10:45:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mikhail_86: hard to believe that shit will take out the worlds most advanced armor and kill the whole crew but copper EFP's will burn straight through an Abrams. scary the things some cave people can put together Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mikhail_86: Originally Posted By fike: Yeah. To my untrained eye it mostly looks like homemade stuff and 2nd hand junk. hard to believe that shit will take out the worlds most advanced armor and kill the whole crew but copper EFP's will burn straight through an Abrams. scary the things some cave people can put together No doubt. I guess that begs the question of “what was the mission” if they brought all of that but didn’t get a chance to use it. Interrupted or “shit, just throw everything in the truck” planning? |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 10:45:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stutzmech: Are the very large ones EFPs or shaped charges? EFPs will be the concave shaped explosives made out of softer metal like those, yes. |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 10:45:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By _DR: Is there no OpSec in the IDF? More symbolic, shows the US is supporting |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 10:45:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nutro: I'm getting no audio at all Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nutro: Originally Posted By treelow: The multi view feed, lower left cam …is that flashes in the distance? Not hearing any booms. I'm getting no audio at all I hard booms and thuds but saw no flashes. |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 10:45:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GarandM1: Harris, Blinken, and Austin are not the duly-elected POTUS (come to think of it, neither is Biden  ); they don't get to play West Wing if Grandpa is drooling and shitting himself in a chair.If Biden is incapable of acting as president then he needs to be removed by the process outlined in the 25th Amendment, or impeached and removed by Congress. Any other process is not only unconstitutional but probably more dangerous than having Biden make the decisions. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GarandM1: Originally Posted By fadedsun: Originally Posted By yodude: Biden way late again. I wonder if they can't get him up and going. Y'all don't get it. The longer Biden is out of the loop and occupied the better. Adults will handle this. Not Biden. ); they don't get to play West Wing if Grandpa is drooling and shitting himself in a chair.If Biden is incapable of acting as president then he needs to be removed by the process outlined in the 25th Amendment, or impeached and removed by Congress. Any other process is not only unconstitutional but probably more dangerous than having Biden make the decisions. Why, he’s the fall guy for them. |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 10:46:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TinSpinner: If they wanted to make a bold raid in Qatar where he was watching it unfold from his penthouse some gains could be had. That fucker will live on just like Arafat did to wreak havoc in a few more years when it is politically expedient. |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 10:46:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cincinnatus: "Proportional response" I never understood this You're walking down the street with your family. You're carry a loaded Glock 19 and you have a sharpened pencil in your pocket. Suddenly a guy with a sharp pencil jumps out of the bushes and starts stabbing your kids with the pencil!! How do you respond? If they had nukes, they would have used them by now. They show no mercy and try their hardest to inflict pain and terror at all costs and go above and beyond. Beheading babies, shooting them in their strollers. Shooting grandmothers just sitting at a bus stop. Meanwhile the IDF has the knock knock shot at buildings and sends texts to the enemy telling them "Hey we're going to level this building. Please leave so we don't kill you" Proportional... kiss my ass. |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 10:46:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GarandM1: Germans seem to always be friendly towards the Palestinians. I wonder if it's some kind of passive-aggressive latent resentment towards the Jews for making them feel guilty about the Holocaust. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GarandM1: Originally Posted By Esterhase: One of the positives of this conflict has been the absolute meltdown of Lexi Alexander, the finest white German filmmaker since leni Riefenstahl, who enjoys larping as a Palestinian. Her twitter feed is just a salt mine of seethe and cope. Suck it, bitch. Germany is extremely friendly to Israel when it comes to arms sales. As an example, Israel's submarines are basically a modified German design, built by Germany, and heavily discounted/subsidized by their German government. They don't do this for other customers. |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 10:46:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By treelow: You guys talking about the subwoofer looking ones? yeah, like a big wok |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 10:46:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By treelow: Awfully quiet on the live feeds… Well, except for the worlds most annoying drone buzzing around. They really need some mufflers for those things. That or loud speakers playing The Ride of the Valkryies at full blast. |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 10:46:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By _DR: I hard booms and thuds but saw no flashes. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By _DR: Originally Posted By Nutro: Originally Posted By treelow: The multi view feed, lower left cam …is that flashes in the distance? Not hearing any booms. I'm getting no audio at all I hard booms and thuds but saw no flashes. Finally hearing some booms…. and that drone buzzing…lol |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 10:46:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GarandM1: Germans seem to always be friendly towards the Palestinians. I wonder if it's some kind of passive-aggressive latent resentment towards the Jews for making them feel guilty about the Holocaust. Palestinians are Ottoman Arab rejects who fought with Germany, so it makes a little sense. |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 10:47:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mikhail_86: yeah, like a big wok Are there larger ones? |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 10:47:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mikhail_86: yeah, like a big wok Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mikhail_86: Originally Posted By treelow: You guys talking about the subwoofer looking ones? yeah, like a big wok Copy that |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 10:47:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By millfire517: I don't think that'll go the way they think it will Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By millfire517: Originally Posted By ZF-1: Woooooooooow. Notevensurprised.gif
Would be neat if they are designated as a domestic terror organization. |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 10:47:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By L_JE: "But what about the innocent Palestinians who, repeatedly, voted Hammas into power, and didn't storm into Israel to kill civilians and their children, but merely cheered on the terrorists who did?" Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By L_JE: Originally Posted By thesilvercord:
"But what about the innocent Palestinians who, repeatedly, voted Hammas into power, and didn't storm into Israel to kill civilians and their children, but merely cheered on the terrorists who did?" Biden admin will negotiate safe passage to the US for them. 
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Posted: 10/10/2023 10:47:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chaingun: I've always heard everyone on a kibbutz is armed. Apparently not To on the local radio an Israeli woman called in. She said gun laws were changed and getting a gun was harder. You could have one gun and fifty rounds of ammo. Background check and mental evaluation then testing on gun handling. On a side note, I work in a lab with customers in Israel. We got word most of them saying they was good. One customer I email with gave confirmation about the dead children. He had seen it firsthand. Israel should go scorched earth on Gaza. Rent a squadron of B52’s load with as much bombs then drop North to south until a smoking hole is all that is left. |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 10:48:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By treelow: You guys talking about the subwoofer looking ones? Yep. It'll turn that wok into a molten metal projectile that'll penetrate some armored vehicles. |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 10:49:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ChrisLe: Just prepping the battlefield. The sheer barbary on the part of Hamas has sealed their fate..1200 dead? The Isreali people will demand a lost more than the usual response this time around. |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 10:49:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stutzmech: Are there larger ones? There can be. I've seen one where the body was made from cut-down 55-gallon drums. |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 10:50:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GarandM1: Germans seem to always be friendly towards the Palestinians. I wonder if it's some kind of passive-aggressive latent resentment towards the Jews for making them feel guilty about the Holocaust. It's definitely very weird. |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 10:50:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By THOT_Vaccine:
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Posted: 10/10/2023 10:50:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: GarandM1]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DK-Prof: Germany is extremely friendly to Israel when it comes to arms sales. As an example, Israel's submarines are basically a modified German design, built by Germany, and heavily discounted/subsidized by their German government. They don't do this for other customers. The arms sales are probably one thing they can agree on. Israel wants the weapons, Germany wants the money. |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 10:50:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stutzmech: Are there larger ones? I've never any up close, just pulled security while they were being destroyed or seen the aftermath. But I wasn't EOD, I'm sure we have some guys on here that are subject matter experts and have been a lot closer to them |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 10:51:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Solace22: Honestly this stuff makes me more nervous than the Russia & Ukraine stuff ever did. The deep religious aspects from both sides really up the ante. Just wait till Asia enters the chat. |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 10:51:05 PM EDT
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Repeated themes in this thread:
Israel is not going to "level" Gaza. It physically can't with conventional weapons. Gaza is a dense urban environment of 140 square miles. The militant infrastructure designed to withstand Israeli airstrikes has been developed for decades. Have the last 20 years not convinced you that airpower alone doesn't win wars? Israel could expend every munition it has in its inventory on Gaza and it wouldn't destroy Hamas. Israel is not going to indiscriminately bomb Gaza or use a nuclear weapon. Israelis have been at this for 70 years. The name of the game is the Arab street. The existential threat to the Jewish homeland is not Hamas or Hezbollah. It is Iran and the Arab states and their publics. Arab (and Persian) regimes, politicians, and terrorist groups have been using Palestinians as a foil to redirect the anger of their own people for generations, creating an enormous potential for violence that persistently threatens both Israel and Arab governments. Israel has made great progress in normalizing relations with its neighbors over the last 20 years and defusing that bomb. The public relations outcome of a mass killing of Gazan civilians is a greater threat to the long-term survival of the state of Israel than Palestinian terrorism itself. That is Iran's intent with this operation, to stoke hate for Israel and destabilize Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, Iraq, SA, Bahrain, UAE. So far the images coming out have repelled most normal people in the ME and around the world. Israel is going to do what it can to keep it that way while degrading Hamas as best they can. It has nothing to do with having the balls to "do the needful" or "taking the gloves off" or the silly domestic woke politics people here obsess over. Ultimately destroying Hamas' capability to kill Israelis is going to mean men with rifles seizing and holding ground, just like every other fucking time. As soon as they let the pressure off the weapons and money will start flowing back in and the capability will be slowly rebuilt, unless and until the Iranian and Syrian regimes are gone - at minimum. |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 10:51:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JustaGunNut]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cincinnatus: Some of those are cratering charges, but some of them are shape charges designed to be aimed and fired laterally. THOSE are Iranian. I dunno man, I have it on good authority from Medvedev, a campaign advisor to Obama mind you, that these are definitely American weapons. 
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Posted: 10/10/2023 10:52:04 PM EDT
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An Italian military 767 just took off from Tel Aviv and a Mexican military 737 is lining up.
Good to see that the war effort will have the requisite quantities of guacamole and marinara sauce. |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 10:52:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonS: No, he's wrong. World opinion doesn't matter, and mostly they don't care. It is the opinions of those in the US and Europe who will decide this. Biden would like to shut down the IDF as soon as possible, and the Europeans even moreso. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonS: Originally Posted By Wineraner: Not at all. @David45 is absolutely right about this. It's just inconvenient to hear. There are several ways to solve both bullet points, and I disagree with some of the details, but he's right: this is going to be a bitch of a problem to solve, no matter how pissed off everyone rightfully is now. That said, acknowledging the solution will be difficult does not mean that you stop trying. It does mean you spend a lot of effort trying to make it work. Chartering ships. Busses and aircraft. Funding. Setting up temporary refugee camps, with screening. Food, water, shelter. Medical aid.. POL dumps. Munitions supplies. A million other things I'm forgetting, and that people like @elcope do expertly. No, he's wrong. World opinion doesn't matter, and mostly they don't care. It is the opinions of those in the US and Europe who will decide this. Biden would like to shut down the IDF as soon as possible, and the Europeans even moreso. Really? You're going to parse it that way? All right, substitute US and Europe for World then reassess. When you do, let me know what you think. Again, this isn't an immediate thing. It's a 30-60 days out thing. But David's initial point is right as rain. |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 10:52:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stutzmech: Got nasty late last night with the trolls Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stutzmech: Originally Posted By m35ben: Being 10 plus pages behind probably saved my account too. Got nasty late last night with the trolls Not as nasty as the FO Rooster got last night |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 10:52:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By treelow: Finally hearing some booms…. and that drone buzzing…lol Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By treelow: Originally Posted By _DR: Originally Posted By Nutro: Originally Posted By treelow: The multi view feed, lower left cam …is that flashes in the distance? Not hearing any booms. I'm getting no audio at all I hard booms and thuds but saw no flashes. Finally hearing some booms…. and that drone buzzing…lol Are we sure it's not an HVAC unit fan on the roof with the camera? Seems pretty constant for a drone. |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 10:53:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mikhail_86: I've never any up close, just pulled security while they were being destroyed or seen the aftermath. But I wasn't EOD, I'm sure we have some guys on here that are subject matter experts and have been a lot closer to them Went though a couple of HMMWVs because EFPs. Thank God for ammo-cans-on-a-stick. |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 10:54:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher15: I understand needing to show the world but MAN that tweet reeks of 'see, see, we didnt screw up this time.' I took it as a sneaky fuck getting a bomb up his ass. As with all things perspective colors perception. |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 10:54:19 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/10/2023 10:54:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 11boomboom: Yep. It'll turn that wok into a molten metal projectile that'll penetrate some armored vehicles. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 11boomboom: Originally Posted By treelow: You guys talking about the subwoofer looking ones? Yep. It'll turn that wok into a molten metal projectile that'll penetrate some armored vehicles. With “Mare in Iran” stamped on it, no doubt. |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 10:54:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By METT-T: Repeated themes in this thread: Israel is not going to "level" Gaza. It physically can't with conventional weapons. Gaza is a dense urban environment of 140 square miles. The militant infrastructure designed to withstand Israeli airstrikes has been developed for decades. Have the last 20 years not convinced you that airpower alone doesn't win wars? Israel could expend every munition it has in its inventory on Gaza and it wouldn't destroy Hamas. Israel is not going to indiscriminately bomb Gaza or use a nuclear weapon. Israelis have been at this for 70 years. The name of the game is the Arab street. The existential threat to the Jewish homeland is not Hamas or Hezbollah. It is Iran and the Arab states and their publics. Arab (and Persian) regimes, politicians, and terrorist groups have been using Palestinians as a foil to redirect the anger of their own people for generations, creating an enormous potential for violence that persistently threatens both Israel and Arab governments. Israel has made great progress in normalizing relations with its neighbors over the last 20 years and defusing that bomb. The public relations outcome of a mass killing of Gazan civilians is a greater threat to the long-term survival of the state of Israel than Palestinian terrorism itself. That is Iran's intent with this operation, to stoke hate for Israel and destabilize Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, Iraq, SA, Bahrain, UAE. So far the images coming out have repelled most normal people in the ME and around the world. Israel is going to do what it can to keep it that way while degrading Hamas as best they can. It has nothing to do with having the balls to "do the needful" or "taking the gloves off" or the silly domestic woke politics people here obsess over. Ultimately destroying Hamas' capability to kill Israelis is going to mean men with rifles seizing and holding ground, just like every other fucking time. As soon as they let the pressure off the weapons and money will start flowing back in and the capability will be slowly rebuilt, unless and until the Iranian and Syrian regimes are gone - at minimum. Which is why the country sucks and doesn't even have the decency of giving its Jewish population means of protecting themselves with weapons in the name of virtue signalling. |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 10:54:55 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By texashomeserver: Wishes for a no hypersonic missile stay. They are in harms way now. Not really a Hamas or Iran thing. The shit Hez does have, E-2/AEGIS/SM2 is able to handle. But if they're there, they aren't by Taiwan. |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 10:55:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By craig19: They really wanted that dude dead. A good thing he ducked at the last second. |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 10:56:29 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mikhail_86: I've never any up close, just pulled security while they were being destroyed or seen the aftermath. But I wasn't EOD, I'm sure we have some guys on here that are subject matter experts and have been a lot closer to them I've done a lot of counter-IED and other courses related with EOD, but I'm no expert. I just know what I've seen in Iraq and Afghanistan and been shown by them in training. There's some big ones out there. Some of the pipe-hitters on the forum probably know waaaaaaaay more than I do. I did have to handle UXO stuff when I did 11C stuff, though. Nothing more butt-puckering than handling UXOs on a mountain top. |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 10:57:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyC: I know a bunch of Hog drivers who would be insulted by that..... "A-10 pilots blow shit up and rain hate from above, Navy pilots shower together. We are not the same." Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyC: Originally Posted By Buzz69: Jennifer Griffin just said the Gerald Ford has A-10s onboard.  I know a bunch of Hog drivers who would be insulted by that..... "A-10 pilots blow shit up and rain hate from above, Navy pilots shower together. We are not the same." "Flare to Land, Squat to Pee...." |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 10:58:17 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryThis IDF spokesman does a great job. Enjoying watching his updates on Twitter/x. |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 10:59:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: A good thing he ducked at the last second. We need a wet cleanup on aisle 5... |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 11:00:00 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryExcellent briefing. |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 11:00:30 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By METT-T: Repeated themes in this thread: Israel is not going to "level" Gaza. It physically can't with conventional weapons. Gaza is a dense urban environment of 140 square miles. The militant infrastructure designed to withstand Israeli airstrikes has been developed for decades. Have the last 20 years not convinced you that airpower alone doesn't win wars? Israel could expend every munition it has in its inventory on Gaza and it wouldn't destroy Hamas. Israel is not going to indiscriminately bomb Gaza or use a nuclear weapon. Israelis have been at this for 70 years. The name of the game is the Arab street. The existential threat to the Jewish homeland is not Hamas or Hezbollah. It is Iran and the Arab states and their publics. Arab (and Persian) regimes, politicians, and terrorist groups have been using Palestinians as a foil to redirect the anger of their own people for generations, creating an enormous potential for violence that persistently threatens both Israel and Arab governments. Israel has made great progress in normalizing relations with its neighbors over the last 20 years and defusing that bomb. The public relations outcome of a mass killing of Gazan civilians is a greater threat to the long-term survival of the state of Israel than Palestinian terrorism itself. That is Iran's intent with this operation, to stoke hate for Israel and destabilize Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, Iraq, SA, Bahrain, UAE. So far the images coming out have repelled most normal people in the ME and around the world. Israel is going to do what it can to keep it that way while degrading Hamas as best they can. It has nothing to do with having the balls to "do the needful" or "taking the gloves off" or the silly domestic woke politics people here obsess over. Ultimately destroying Hamas' capability to kill Israelis is going to mean men with rifles seizing and holding ground, just like every other fucking time. As soon as they let the pressure off the weapons and money will start flowing back in and the capability will be slowly rebuilt, unless and until the Iranian and Syrian regimes are gone - at minimum. |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 11:00:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By colossians323: Shocking, the moslem capitol of America gathering to support moslem communists Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By colossians323: Originally Posted By thesilvercord: 
Shocking, the moslem capitol of America gathering to support moslem communists |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 11:00:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By colossians323: Sounds like he is grooming palestinian boys Any time a politician states “let’s be clear” it’s because their opinion is utter dog shit and they’re attempting to validate dog shit. This one is gas lighting like a motherfucker. |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 11:00:55 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By _DR: Is there no OpSec in the IDF? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By _DR: Originally Posted By texashomeserver: The first plane carrying US arms has arrived in Israel. The IDF posted on X, formerly Twitter, that the American support had arrived at Nevatim Airbase in the south of the country. Is there no OpSec in the IDF? |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 11:01:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Scratch45]
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AKSOL: So far, weak, tepid and typical response Israel has done for every encounter with these beasts. Bomb a couple military sites (mainly empty buildings), give people days to escape from that shithole, destroy some tunnels and claim "Mission Accomplished". They do this same pattern over and over, it's tiring, frustrating and I hope I'm wrong but so far, it's more of the same shit where soldiers end up losing their lives for nothing. Please let me be wrong. It's not over until the fat lady sings. I don't know what will happen. But I do think it will be more than we have seen in the past. |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 11:01:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rustler: The M113 survived  Idiot hezzies I don’t think so, looks like the front plate was blown off |
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