Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k:

Live update: London train driver suspended for leading ‘Free Palestine’ chant on intercom https://t.co/BkPgJ4t0tu . Click to read ??

TOI ALERTS  (@TOIAlerts) October 23, 2023

Oh, PIKE OFF you stupid feds:

Breaking News: The Biden administration believes Israel lacks achievable military goals in Gaza, senior U.S. officials said.https://t.co/4mMFlK3Act

The New York Times  (@nytimes) October 23, 2023

I can’t believe I have to say this but the USS Carney isn’t an Aircraft Carrier so if you see “Footage” very clearly from ARMA lll claiming to show the Carney being Attacked its not Real just like the entire Rumor.

OSINTdefender  (@sentdefender) October 23, 2023

"First the saturday people, than the sunday people" video @ link

Yesterday, a pro-Palestine mob attacked a Christian man in Skokie, Illinois. You didn’t hear about this because it doesn’t fit the narrative.

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End Wokeness  (@EndWokeness) October 23, 2023

The Biden administration is concerned that Israel lacks achievable military objectives in Gaza, and that the Israel Defense Forces are not yet ready to launch a ground invasion with a plan that can work, senior administration officials said.

In phone conversations with his Israeli counterpart, Yoav Gallant, Defense Secretary Lloyd J. Austin III has stressed the need for careful consideration of how Israeli forces might conduct a ground invasion of Gaza, where Hamas maintains intricate tunnel networks under densely populated areas.

Biden administration officials insisted that the United States had not told Israel what to do and still supported the ground invasion. But the Pentagon has sent a three-star Marine, Lt. Gen. James Glynn, along with other officers to help the Israelis with the challenges of fighting an urban war.

A Pentagon official said on Monday that the deployment of General Glynn, reported earlier by Axios, did not mean the Pentagon was making decisions for Israel. General Glynn, the official said, would not be on the ground in Israel if an incursion into Gaza begins.

Israeli officials in Washington did not immediately respond to requests for comment. But on Sunday, a diplomat from the Israeli Embassy denied that the U.S. government was advising the Israelis to delay the ground invasion. "The U.S. is not pressing Israel in regards to the ground operation," the diplomat said.

Reactions to the Conflict in the U.S.
Jewish Americans: For many American Jews, there have been too many emotions to process. Young people spoke of fear, shock, solidarity and helplessness, while some progressives said they were feeling abandoned by their left-wing allies.
Palestinian Americans: Palestinians in the United States are dismayed by the violence, but some said that politicians and news outlets were overlooking historical context.
In New York: Tensions are high in Muslim and Jewish communities around New York City, with impassioned protests and rallies on both sides drawing thousands.
In his conversations with Mr. Gallant, Mr. Austin has described the hard-fought campaign to clear the Iraqi city of Mosul of Islamic State fighters in 2016 and 2017. At the time, Mr. Austin was the head of United States Central Command, and American troops were backing their Kurdish and Iraqi counterparts in the fight.

"The first thing that everyone should know, and I think everyone does know, is that urban combat is extremely difficult," Mr. Austin told ABC News's "This Week" on Sunday.

He said that he had "encouraged" Mr. Gallant to "conduct their operations in accordance with the law of war." American officials have become increasingly concerned that a ground invasion in Gaza could lead to a huge loss of civilian lives.

He was on the phone again with Mr. Gallant on Monday, Pentagon officials said, emphasizing "the importance of civilian protection." In an emailed statement, Brig. Gen. Patrick S. Ryder, the Pentagon press secretary, said that the two men also discussed American security assistance to Israel.

But the administration is also concerned, the officials said, that the Israel Defense Forces do not yet have a clear military pathway to achieve Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's goal of eradicating Hamas. In conversations with Israeli officials since the Hamas attacks on Oct. 7, American officials said they have not yet seen an achievable plan of action.

President Biden has alluded to that publicly. During his speech in Tel Aviv last week, he warned that Israel would need "clarity about the objectives and an honest assessment about whether the path you're on will achieve those objectives."

American officials said that the Israel must decide whether, for instance, to try to take out Hamas by using surgical airstrikes combined with targeted raids by special operations troops   as American warplanes and Iraqi and Kurdish troops did in Mosul   or to roll into Gaza with tanks and infantry, as American Marines and soldiers, along with Iraqi and British forces, did in Falluja in 2004.

Both tactics will result in heavy losses, U.S. officials said, but a ground operation could be far bloodier, for troops and civilians. At the Pentagon, many officials believe that the Mosul and Raqqa clearing operations in Iraq more than a decade after Falluja are a better model for urban warfare.

"One of the things we've learned is how to account for civilians in the battle space, and they are a part of the battle space, and we, in accordance of the law of war, we've got to do what's necessary to protect those civilians," Mr. Austin said on Sunday.

But both Mosul and Raqqa resulted in significant civilian casualties. While such figures can vary widely, The Associated Press put the number of civilians killed during the effort to rid Mosul of Islamic State fighters at between 9,000 and 11,000. And the Islamic State had only two years to prepare defenses in Mosul, argued Michael Knights, a fellow with The Washington Institute.

"Hamas has had 15 years to prepare a dense 'defense in depth' that integrates subterranean, ground-level and aboveground fortifications, communication tunnels, emplacements and fighting positions," Mr. Knights wrote in an analysis earlier this month, "as well as potential minefields, improvised explosive devices, explosively formed penetrator anti-armor mines and buildings rigged as explosive booby traps."

Senator Jack Reed, a Rhode Island Democrat who heads the Armed Services Committee, called on Israel on Monday to delay a ground invasion of Gaza to buy time for hostage negotiations, allow more humanitarian aid to reach Palestinians civilians and give Israeli commanders more opportunity to fine-tune their urban-combat planning.

"From an operational standpoint, this is very complicated, and the more intelligence you gather and your troops can take into urban combat, the better," Mr. Reed said by phone from Cairo, where he and other senators were wrapping up a trip to Saudi Arabia, Israel and Egypt. "A little extra time might be helpful. There are so many factors. Rushing into this probably is not the best approach."

The Biden administration has given the same advice to Israel. Like U.S. officials, Mr. Reed said he also still supports the ground invasion to destroy Hamas. But he warned that a block-by-block urban fight in Gaza would be "a long-term effort," noting that it took the Iraqi army, assisted by the United States, nine months to rout the Islamic State from Mosul.

Michael Crowley contributed reporting from Washington.

Originally Posted By DonS:


It doesn't seem like that's what they are doing. Joe seems to be trying to stall the invasion. The establishment doesn't want Hamas to be destroyed.

However, the thing to really worry about IMO is all the refugees we will end up with.

Originally Posted By cmburns33:
When I was a tourist in Jordan our driver told me about how the Israeli Mossad trained thousands of rats and then had them invade en masse. He also told of the Israeli's controlling the weather, the fish etc. Everything bad was the fault of the Jews. Israel could cede some territory because they're already living rent free in the heads of the rest of the middle east.

Originally Posted By Rebel31:

Seems pretty clear now that Biden admin is trying to delay the Israelis into eventually settling for a 'cease fire'.

The modern American left is NOT the friend is Israel.

Originally Posted By Rebel31:

Seems pretty clear now that Biden admin is trying to delay the Israelis into eventually settling for a 'cease fire'.

The modern American left is NOT the friend is Israel.

Originally Posted By Cypher15:
So, in "We Were Soldiers" theres a scene where one of the Joint Chiefs or someoen high up in the administration says 'theres no hiding it now.'  Older guys that might know, is this how LBJ/Kennedy treated Vietnam at first?

Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k:

As long as hamas and the other terrorist orgs exist in gaza they will be a threat to take our citizens hostage, and I have seen someone say we have / had 500,000 american citizens over in israel. I have not been able to confirm that number but I could believe it.

Originally Posted By kcolg30:
Anything new today?

Originally Posted By Rebel31:
NYT

In conversations with Israeli officials since the Hamas attacks on Oct. 7, American officials said they have not yet seen an achievable plan of action.

Originally Posted By BM1455:
That was a freight train of jets just rolling in.  How long was that, an hour or more?  Lost track.

Originally Posted By kcolg30:
Anything new today?

Originally Posted By fullmetaledges:
When assholes collide. Fuck hamas and they deserve to be wiped out, unfortunately this isn’t realistic. Fuck Israel for trying to start WW3 over their wants to kill everyone in the region. Both sides increasingly just fuck with one another constantly. It’s obviously more complicated than that, but seriously fuck them both.

Originally Posted By fullmetaledges:
When assholes collide. Fuck hamas and they deserve to be wiped out, unfortunately this isn’t realistic. Fuck Israel for trying to start WW3 over their wants to kill everyone in the region. Both sides increasingly just fuck with one another constantly. It’s obviously more complicated than that, but seriously fuck them both.

Originally Posted By fullmetaledges:
When assholes collide. Fuck hamas and they deserve to be wiped out, unfortunately this isn’t realistic. Fuck Israel for trying to start WW3 over their wants to kill everyone in the region. Both sides increasingly just fuck with one another constantly. It’s obviously more complicated than that, but seriously fuck them both.

Originally Posted By Sean124:
Oh good, 3 more pages of people quoting a ‘tard incoming.

Originally Posted By cyclone:

Imagine that...........

Originally Posted By BlueCoyote:
600

Nope