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Link Posted: 11/1/2023 1:15:23 PM EST
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Originally Posted By michigan66:


Ayman al-Zawahiri had a real ugly forehead callous.

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Looks like a nice point of aim to me.

(target)
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 1:18:23 PM EST
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Ward Carroll - Deep Intel on Israel's Invasion of Gaza

Deep Intel on Israel's Offensive Into Gaza
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 1:18:24 PM EST
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Originally Posted By walkinginadangerzone:
Originally Posted By x248716x:
see a few Merkavas with COPE cages for drone-dropped grenades, etc.  wonder what the next generation of tank design, how it will be incorporated.  active armor topside? mounted on stand-off plate?


Reactive armor on top of the cope cage would be my guess.


https://www.thedrive.com/uploads/2023/05/06/Cope-cage.jpg?auto=webp&crop=16%3A9&auto=webp&optimize=high&quality=70&width=1440



lol, Israeli forces aren't stupid.

Those are supposed to be mounted against armor that can withstand the blast when the explosives inside them detonate.  

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5XnecVSuX-4/Xm1MHgimAiI/AAAAAAAAQQE/BCQalyxErwsisGfKcK28zekXzR-Sa4j5wCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/pg-7%2Bhit.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ox4wUJ8ej_0/XlcolZEVoJI/AAAAAAAAQHg/hNJFea3b7l4D3nxvbVN2mDnVlOoW_iLkwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/syria%2Bt-72%2Breactive%2Barmour.jpg

https://thesovietarmourblog.blogspot.com/p/kontakt-1.html



lol You do realize the Kontakt ERAs are sometimes bolted to a rubber type material side skirt, right? They're not always directly bolted up against armor plates. You can see the rubber side skirts with a hole blown through it in your last pic.


Here's a close up pic from the link you posted, you can see the rubberized side skirt where the ERA is bolted.



Go to 15:40 to see the set up.

https://youtu.be/YR5Aa_p65EE?si=2vCS0QUBoailwnvZ
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 1:20:17 PM EST
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Originally Posted By fike:


In the face of an existential threat, we would. We got a limited a taste of it after 9/11. It’s basic human nature.
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Originally Posted By Dino:
Originally Posted By The_Like_Button:



We're past surrender. The only way this thing ends is either with Israel no longer standing or a major regional war that draws us in that likely ends in WWIII.

There's a way out but our administration and the court of public opinion don't have the stomach for it. Drop MOABs on Tehran and Damascus while leveling every square inch of GAZA. Pull back every student visa for every student here from that part of the world and seal the damn border. Park a couple Ballistic Missile Subs off the Med and the first reprisal attack after the MOABs fall  gets the offending nation's royal palace or presidential residence and their governmental chambers flattened, 2nd attack we destroy every power station, water treatment station, and waste water treatment station in every major urban population center in the country, 3rd reprisal attack we nuke their capital and sink every military ship in their port, and set every oil field ablaze.

There's a way to win wars without winning heart and minds.

agreed, but we don't have the will as a nation to fight like we did in WWII



In the face of an existential threat, we would. We got a limited a taste of it after 9/11. It’s basic human nature.


I think its part of our current insanity. Humanity wants to fight something. Either we join together and fight an existential threat, or we fight ourselves. Either way, we will fight
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 1:24:14 PM EST
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Originally Posted By madwis15:

Looks like a nice point of aim to me.

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All of them dropped on their heads when they were a baby.
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 1:29:56 PM EST
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Originally Posted By maddmatt:


I think its part of our current insanity. Humanity wants to fight something. Either we join together and fight an existential threat, or we fight ourselves. Either way, we will fight
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That's why we have sports and video games.  Conflict and competition is in our nature.
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 1:33:16 PM EST
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Originally Posted By walkinginadangerzone:


lol You do realize the Kontakt ERAs are sometimes bolted to a rubber type material side skirt, right? They're not always directly bolted up against armor plates. You can see the rubber side skirts with a hole blown through it in your last pic.


Here's a close up pic from the link you posted, you can see the rubberized side skirt where the ERA is bolted.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-XFo10J82NbA/XpFguY6K1NI/AAAAAAAAQkI/hFUTvNoSEmw6l_gMfwY1bpka5LK0Sma9QCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/t-72%2Bgrozny%2Bhit%2Bby%2BRPG.jpg

Go to 15:40 to see the set up.

https://youtu.be/YR5Aa_p65EE?si=2vCS0QUBoailwnvZ
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Originally Posted By walkinginadangerzone:
Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Originally Posted By walkinginadangerzone:
Originally Posted By x248716x:
see a few Merkavas with COPE cages for drone-dropped grenades, etc.  wonder what the next generation of tank design, how it will be incorporated.  active armor topside? mounted on stand-off plate?


Reactive armor on top of the cope cage would be my guess.


https://www.thedrive.com/uploads/2023/05/06/Cope-cage.jpg?auto=webp&crop=16%3A9&auto=webp&optimize=high&quality=70&width=1440



lol, Israeli forces aren't stupid.

Those are supposed to be mounted against armor that can withstand the blast when the explosives inside them detonate.  

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5XnecVSuX-4/Xm1MHgimAiI/AAAAAAAAQQE/BCQalyxErwsisGfKcK28zekXzR-Sa4j5wCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/pg-7%2Bhit.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ox4wUJ8ej_0/XlcolZEVoJI/AAAAAAAAQHg/hNJFea3b7l4D3nxvbVN2mDnVlOoW_iLkwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/syria%2Bt-72%2Breactive%2Barmour.jpg

https://thesovietarmourblog.blogspot.com/p/kontakt-1.html



lol You do realize the Kontakt ERAs are sometimes bolted to a rubber type material side skirt, right? They're not always directly bolted up against armor plates. You can see the rubber side skirts with a hole blown through it in your last pic.


Here's a close up pic from the link you posted, you can see the rubberized side skirt where the ERA is bolted.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-XFo10J82NbA/XpFguY6K1NI/AAAAAAAAQkI/hFUTvNoSEmw6l_gMfwY1bpka5LK0Sma9QCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/t-72%2Bgrozny%2Bhit%2Bby%2BRPG.jpg

Go to 15:40 to see the set up.

https://youtu.be/YR5Aa_p65EE?si=2vCS0QUBoailwnvZ

The image you posted was for empty era blocks without filler providing some protection.

From the link, for context:
As a result of a combination of these unfortunate circumstances, many tanks rode into Grozny with Kontakt-1 bricks, but with no explosives inside. Similar cases of theft have been reported recently in Ukraine.


It is interesting to note that even empty Kontakt-1 blocks can still offer a modicum of additional protection from light grenades due to the increased size of the air gap, as demonstrated during combat in Grozny. The additional space provided by the empty box itself (70mm) and the air gap between the box and the side skirt (17mm) increases the total size of the air gap from 745mm to around 830mm.  




Regarding kontakt on rubber skirts, there is still armor beyond that rubber skirt in the form of the tracks and wheels and hull of the tank.  It would be a very bad idea for a tank crew to have an open hatch when that kontakt cope screen got hit with anything to touch it off.  Ask Ivan.

Link Posted: 11/1/2023 1:34:57 PM EST
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Ring the doorbell?
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Ring the doorbell?



No-knock
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 1:41:07 PM EST
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Originally Posted By madwis15:

Looks like a nice point of aim to me.

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Link Posted: 11/1/2023 1:44:04 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Kingsmen:

That's why we have sports and video games.  Conflict and competition is in our nature.
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Originally Posted By Kingsmen:
Originally Posted By maddmatt:


I think its part of our current insanity. Humanity wants to fight something. Either we join together and fight an existential threat, or we fight ourselves. Either way, we will fight

That's why we have sports and video games.  Conflict and competition is in our nature.


And it's like jacking off left handed. It's just not as good as the real thing.
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 1:44:57 PM EST
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True, but are you in the habit of forcing other people to spend " $100 on dumber shit".
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 1:45:58 PM EST
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Whatever is over towards the lighted part of Israel to the left of the screen is being absolutely hammered today or should I say tonight since it’s night there.  Someone’s gotta feel this!
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 1:48:16 PM EST
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Edit: Nevermind. Already posted.
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 1:50:09 PM EST
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Originally Posted By SoCalExile:
The first strike could have been the one that killed everyone in the vehicle. The first RPG probably tripped the Trophy system and the 2nd is what did the damage. It's not clear since they booked it out of there.

The 2nd one in the brush was bullshit.
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Originally Posted By SoCalExile:
Originally Posted By realwar:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kqCqV9k9og
The first strike could have been the one that killed everyone in the vehicle. The first RPG probably tripped the Trophy system and the 2nd is what did the damage. It's not clear since they booked it out of there.

The 2nd one in the brush was bullshit.


They're using a version of the Russian tandem PG-7VR. It has two charges, first one is supposed to detonate the ERA, second is supposed to go through the hull. From the looks of it, it seems like these versions actually work compared to the few flawed ones I've seen on videos of the Russian ones.
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 1:53:15 PM EST
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Originally Posted By walkinginadangerzone:


They're using a version of the Russian tandem PG-7VR. It has two charges, first one is supposed to detonate the ERA, second is supposed to go through the hull. From the looks of it, it seems like these versions actually work compared to the few flawed ones I've seen on videos of the Russian ones.
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Originally Posted By walkinginadangerzone:
Originally Posted By SoCalExile:
Originally Posted By realwar:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kqCqV9k9og
The first strike could have been the one that killed everyone in the vehicle. The first RPG probably tripped the Trophy system and the 2nd is what did the damage. It's not clear since they booked it out of there.

The 2nd one in the brush was bullshit.


They're using a version of the Russian tandem PG-7VR. It has two charges, first one is supposed to detonate the ERA, second is supposed to go through the hull. From the looks of it, it seems like these versions actually work compared to the few flawed ones I've seen on videos of the Russian ones.


Link Posted: 11/1/2023 1:53:23 PM EST
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It seems that no one in the Izzy military has taken events in Ukraine over the last 18 months seriously. Or Syria before that.

Link Posted: 11/1/2023 1:59:18 PM EST
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Originally Posted By David45:
It seems that no one in the Izzy military has taken events in Ukraine over the last 18 months seriously. Or Syria before that.

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The “Izzy’s” have their own state of the art shit that can loiter and choose it’s targets.  Pretty sure their stuff is gonna fuck Hezbollah up. Remember Azerbaijan vs Armenia?  The Izzy’s provided the hardware.

Israel's Powerful Loitering Munition Kamikaze Drone Hero Family UAV
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 2:06:31 PM EST
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:

The image you posted was for empty era blocks without filler providing some protection.

From the link, for context:





Regarding kontakt on rubber skirts, there is still armor beyond that rubber skirt in the form of the tracks and wheels and hull of the tank.  It would be a very bad idea for a tank crew to have an open hatch when that kontakt cope screen got hit with anything to touch it off.  Ask Ivan.

https://www.eurasiantimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/TANK-RUSSIA-e1652084771127.jpg
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Originally Posted By walkinginadangerzone:
Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Originally Posted By walkinginadangerzone:
Originally Posted By x248716x:
see a few Merkavas with COPE cages for drone-dropped grenades, etc.  wonder what the next generation of tank design, how it will be incorporated.  active armor topside? mounted on stand-off plate?


Reactive armor on top of the cope cage would be my guess.


https://www.thedrive.com/uploads/2023/05/06/Cope-cage.jpg?auto=webp&crop=16%3A9&auto=webp&optimize=high&quality=70&width=1440



lol, Israeli forces aren't stupid.

Those are supposed to be mounted against armor that can withstand the blast when the explosives inside them detonate.  

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5XnecVSuX-4/Xm1MHgimAiI/AAAAAAAAQQE/BCQalyxErwsisGfKcK28zekXzR-Sa4j5wCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/pg-7%2Bhit.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ox4wUJ8ej_0/XlcolZEVoJI/AAAAAAAAQHg/hNJFea3b7l4D3nxvbVN2mDnVlOoW_iLkwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/syria%2Bt-72%2Breactive%2Barmour.jpg

https://thesovietarmourblog.blogspot.com/p/kontakt-1.html



lol You do realize the Kontakt ERAs are sometimes bolted to a rubber type material side skirt, right? They're not always directly bolted up against armor plates. You can see the rubber side skirts with a hole blown through it in your last pic.


Here's a close up pic from the link you posted, you can see the rubberized side skirt where the ERA is bolted.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-XFo10J82NbA/XpFguY6K1NI/AAAAAAAAQkI/hFUTvNoSEmw6l_gMfwY1bpka5LK0Sma9QCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/t-72%2Bgrozny%2Bhit%2Bby%2BRPG.jpg

Go to 15:40 to see the set up.

https://youtu.be/YR5Aa_p65EE?si=2vCS0QUBoailwnvZ

The image you posted was for empty era blocks without filler providing some protection.

From the link, for context:
As a result of a combination of these unfortunate circumstances, many tanks rode into Grozny with Kontakt-1 bricks, but with no explosives inside. Similar cases of theft have been reported recently in Ukraine.


It is interesting to note that even empty Kontakt-1 blocks can still offer a modicum of additional protection from light grenades due to the increased size of the air gap, as demonstrated during combat in Grozny. The additional space provided by the empty box itself (70mm) and the air gap between the box and the side skirt (17mm) increases the total size of the air gap from 745mm to around 830mm.  




Regarding kontakt on rubber skirts, there is still armor beyond that rubber skirt in the form of the tracks and wheels and hull of the tank.  It would be a very bad idea for a tank crew to have an open hatch when that kontakt cope screen got hit with anything to touch it off.  Ask Ivan.

https://www.eurasiantimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/TANK-RUSSIA-e1652084771127.jpg


The empty ERA blocks are not the subject, I'm showing you what they're bolted on to because you said they need to be bolted on to hard armor that can withstand the blast and as evident, not true. And yes, bolting ERA to the top of the tank turret ( or in the case, top of the cope cage) where the hatches are, can be dangerous. But that doesn't seem to stop Ukrainians from doing it as well. lol

Link Posted: 11/1/2023 2:08:10 PM EST
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Link Posted: 11/1/2023 2:09:54 PM EST
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What was his reasoning?




I think the republicans see a chance to try and claw back some of the idiotic inflation reduction act money by saying "Great, you can spend the money you wanted for guns for the IRS and give that money to Israel instead... because the IRS doesn't fucking need it."

I agree with that, but not sure they have the ability to twist enough arms to get that done.  Ultimately, the Dems will just say the Reps are playing with lives and blah blah blah just one life blah blah and reps will cave.
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 2:10:34 PM EST
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Good Israeli video about 7 Oct---lots of videos we've already seen but consolidated into a single 7 minute clip.

This is how Hamas's murderous attack began
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 2:19:41 PM EST
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Originally Posted By David45:
It seems that no one in the Izzy military has taken events in Ukraine over the last 18 months seriously. Or Syria before that.

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lol In one of the first ambush video released by hamas, they had overhead video of the ambush site, it was the similar to that one, Isrealis bunched up in the open, no overhead cover, and their tanks parked a few yards away. At the time I thought to myself, that was a target rich environment for a dude with an ordnance armed drone. Few days later, low and behold.
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 2:22:40 PM EST
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Originally Posted By David45:
It seems that no one in the Izzy military has taken events in Ukraine over the last 18 months seriously. Or Syria before that.

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Damn that was a good hit, Drones are scary man
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 2:27:12 PM EST
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Originally Posted By xd341:
Hamas has no reason to surrender. You could genocide every Palestinian and Hamas would still exists.  If they are effectively driven out of Israel they will just take refuge in a sympathetic region and continue the fight. It's why we were never able to really damage the Taliban, they had a refuge in Pakistan.

Hamas is just a tool of Iran.
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Originally Posted By Dave_Markowitz:


Omnes occidunt, Deus suos noverit.
Hamas has no reason to surrender. You could genocide every Palestinian and Hamas would still exists.  If they are effectively driven out of Israel they will just take refuge in a sympathetic region and continue the fight. It's why we were never able to really damage the Taliban, they had a refuge in Pakistan.

Hamas is just a tool of Iran.

Hence what I posted. Hamas must be obliterated down to the last man and sympathizer.
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 2:34:06 PM EST
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Originally Posted By walkinginadangerzone:
Originally Posted By SoCalExile:
Originally Posted By realwar:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kqCqV9k9og
The first strike could have been the one that killed everyone in the vehicle. The first RPG probably tripped the Trophy system and the 2nd is what did the damage. It's not clear since they booked it out of there.

The 2nd one in the brush was bullshit.


They're using a version of the Russian tandem PG-7VR. It has two charges, first one is supposed to detonate the ERA, second is supposed to go through the hull. From the looks of it, it seems like these versions actually work compared to the few flawed ones I've seen on videos of the Russian ones.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRZyhFB_bvM


I wonder if all of their tanks are equipped with Trophy? In the initial 10-7 raid, they took down a few Merkavas.
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 2:35:07 PM EST
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I've seen videos of rifles being distributed. M4s and other AR variants, I assume to former IDF.
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Originally Posted By Mercworx:
Very happy to hear more people both in Israel and the US are acquiring firearms.

That said for Israel, I hope tactics start to move into the modern era. “Israeli carry” method needs to go into the trash bin.

Additionally Israel needs more that its citizens purchasing pistols, it needs to mandate every household have a rifle and ammo.


I've seen videos of rifles being distributed. M4s and other AR variants, I assume to former IDF.

not sure if this has anything to do with Biden's very recent ban on exporting firearms, although Mr GnG says there's an exemption for Israel.
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 2:37:06 PM EST
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Weird.  Is it Ash Wednesday on their calendar already?
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 2:40:12 PM EST
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IDF inside Gaza

and Desert Storm, the sequel to the sequel:
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Damn. We're even rebooting wars now.
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 2:43:17 PM EST
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Bumping his forehead on the ground while praying.
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 2:51:53 PM EST
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Bumping his forehead on the ground while praying.
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Originally Posted By Element94:

What the hell happened to his head?


Bumping his forehead on the ground while praying.


Denotes the Extremely Pious.
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 3:08:33 PM EST
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Those three guys are definitely screwed, injuries on more probably.
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 3:16:27 PM EST
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I guess Fo Rooster has either been eaten or ate a bomb.  Haven't heard one for a while now.
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 3:17:19 PM EST
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Link Posted: 11/1/2023 3:22:12 PM EST
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Originally Posted By walkinginadangerzone:


The empty ERA blocks are not the subject, I'm showing you what they're bolted on to because you said they need to be bolted on to hard armor that can withstand the blast and as evident, not true. And yes, bolting ERA to the top of the tank turret ( or in the case, top of the cope cage) where the hatches are, can be dangerous. But that doesn't seem to stop Ukrainians from doing it as well. lol

https://i.imgur.com/bPdXQAq.png
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Originally Posted By walkinginadangerzone:
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Originally Posted By walkinginadangerzone:
Originally Posted By x248716x:
see a few Merkavas with COPE cages for drone-dropped grenades, etc.  wonder what the next generation of tank design, how it will be incorporated.  active armor topside? mounted on stand-off plate?


Reactive armor on top of the cope cage would be my guess.


https://www.thedrive.com/uploads/2023/05/06/Cope-cage.jpg?auto=webp&crop=16%3A9&auto=webp&optimize=high&quality=70&width=1440



lol, Israeli forces aren't stupid.

Those are supposed to be mounted against armor that can withstand the blast when the explosives inside them detonate.  

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5XnecVSuX-4/Xm1MHgimAiI/AAAAAAAAQQE/BCQalyxErwsisGfKcK28zekXzR-Sa4j5wCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/pg-7%2Bhit.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ox4wUJ8ej_0/XlcolZEVoJI/AAAAAAAAQHg/hNJFea3b7l4D3nxvbVN2mDnVlOoW_iLkwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/syria%2Bt-72%2Breactive%2Barmour.jpg

https://thesovietarmourblog.blogspot.com/p/kontakt-1.html



lol You do realize the Kontakt ERAs are sometimes bolted to a rubber type material side skirt, right? They're not always directly bolted up against armor plates. You can see the rubber side skirts with a hole blown through it in your last pic.


Here's a close up pic from the link you posted, you can see the rubberized side skirt where the ERA is bolted.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-XFo10J82NbA/XpFguY6K1NI/AAAAAAAAQkI/hFUTvNoSEmw6l_gMfwY1bpka5LK0Sma9QCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/t-72%2Bgrozny%2Bhit%2Bby%2BRPG.jpg

Go to 15:40 to see the set up.

https://youtu.be/YR5Aa_p65EE?si=2vCS0QUBoailwnvZ

The image you posted was for empty era blocks without filler providing some protection.

From the link, for context:
As a result of a combination of these unfortunate circumstances, many tanks rode into Grozny with Kontakt-1 bricks, but with no explosives inside. Similar cases of theft have been reported recently in Ukraine.


It is interesting to note that even empty Kontakt-1 blocks can still offer a modicum of additional protection from light grenades due to the increased size of the air gap, as demonstrated during combat in Grozny. The additional space provided by the empty box itself (70mm) and the air gap between the box and the side skirt (17mm) increases the total size of the air gap from 745mm to around 830mm.  




Regarding kontakt on rubber skirts, there is still armor beyond that rubber skirt in the form of the tracks and wheels and hull of the tank.  It would be a very bad idea for a tank crew to have an open hatch when that kontakt cope screen got hit with anything to touch it off.  Ask Ivan.

https://www.eurasiantimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/TANK-RUSSIA-e1652084771127.jpg


The empty ERA blocks are not the subject, I'm showing you what they're bolted on to because you said they need to be bolted on to hard armor that can withstand the blast and as evident, not true. And yes, bolting ERA to the top of the tank turret ( or in the case, top of the cope cage) where the hatches are, can be dangerous. But that doesn't seem to stop Ukrainians from doing it as well. lol

https://i.imgur.com/bPdXQAq.png



I do understand better what you are implying, we were probably just talking past each other.   But for better drone defense, you do not want to put kontakt era that has explosive filler in any area that would be dangerous when it goes off.  There are some early examples of Ukrainian forces putting the era in bad spots too, but more recently there are dedicated anti drone nets and ecm jammers that are a better solution.  I think Israeli forces might need to catch up in using these in larger numbers some areas.

Chicken wire as anti drone netting.


Dedicated ecm jammer on a US Stryker.
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 3:29:07 PM EST
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Originally Posted By shotar:


I take them at their word.  I repeat my best solution.  Total war to the unconditional surrender ELIMINATION of Hamas.
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Edited to represent my views. Surrender doesn't fix anything, it just delays the battle. These people will never change. They need to not be.
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 3:29:08 PM EST
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Ring the doorbell?
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120 mm is a good doorbell ringer.
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 3:31:11 PM EST
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Originally Posted By The_Like_Button:



We're past surrender. The only way this thing ends is either with Israel no longer standing or a major regional war that draws us in that likely ends in WWIII.

There's a way out but our administration and the court of public opinion don't have the stomach for it. Drop MOABs on Tehran and Damascus while leveling every square inch of GAZA. Pull back every student visa for every student here from that part of the world and seal the damn border. Park a couple Ballistic Missile Subs off the Med and the first reprisal attack after the MOABs fall  gets the offending nation's royal palace or presidential residence and their governmental chambers flattened, 2nd attack we destroy every power station, water treatment station, and waste water treatment station in every major urban population center in the country, 3rd reprisal attack we nuke their capital and sink every military ship in their port, and set every oil field ablaze.

There's a way to win wars without winning heart and minds.
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You and I could be friends.
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 3:39:26 PM EST
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Originally Posted By michigan66:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wWpbsFf9YQ
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Watch the video closely.

The guy in street with RPG does NOT shoot the police car.
Seconds later as he walks away he pulls the rocket/warhead from the launcher.

Link Posted: 11/1/2023 3:54:53 PM EST
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Houthi rockets towards Israel.

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Link Posted: 11/1/2023 3:57:56 PM EST
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Originally Posted By UtahShotgunner:

Watch the video closely.

The guy in street with RPG does NOT shoot the police car.
Seconds later as he walks away he pulls the rocket/warhead from the launcher.

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Originally Posted By UtahShotgunner:
Originally Posted By michigan66:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wWpbsFf9YQ

Watch the video closely.

The guy in street with RPG does NOT shoot the police car.
Seconds later as he walks away he pulls the rocket/warhead from the launcher.



The shooter is not in frame and the projectile appears to be fairly small.  It comes in from the right side, past the blue pole, and appears to skip off the ground before hitting the car.

ETA:  Looking at it again in HD, I'm not sure it skips off the ground.  Maybe another motor kicked in?
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 3:58:08 PM EST
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Originally Posted By UtahShotgunner:

Watch the video closely.

The guy in street with RPG does NOT shoot the police car.
Seconds later as he walks away he pulls the rocket/warhead from the launcher.

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Originally Posted By UtahShotgunner:
Originally Posted By michigan66:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wWpbsFf9YQ

Watch the video closely.

The guy in street with RPG does NOT shoot the police car.
Seconds later as he walks away he pulls the rocket/warhead from the launcher.



At the very end it looks like he's rotating it to inspect the primer, so either dud or light primer strike.
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 4:00:42 PM EST
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Originally Posted By UtahShotgunner:

Watch the video closely.

The guy in street with RPG does NOT shoot the police car.
Seconds later as he walks away he pulls the rocket/warhead from the launcher.

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If you slow it to quarter speed, you see the rocket fly over the RPG guy's head from another RPG guy behind him off camera.
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 4:04:07 PM EST
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Originally Posted By tnriverluver:
Whatever is over towards the lighted part of Israel to the left of the screen is being absolutely hammered today or should I say tonight since it’s night there.  Someone’s gotta feel this!
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Whatever it was, had a HUGE fire and secondaries going off.  Saw what looked like a missile or rocket burning off and flying in an arc before coming back down. My guess is that it was a major ammo dump, missile launch location, or weapons staging area.
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 4:13:12 PM EST
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Houthi online advertising -



Link Posted: 11/1/2023 4:13:41 PM EST
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I keep seeing this number of children killed in Gaza between two and four thousand, where are these terrorist sympathizers getting these numbers? I'm guessing hamas is putting out this number and these fools believe it.
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 4:13:46 PM EST
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Originally Posted By realwar:
Houthi rockets towards Israel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ij0BAmtOILA
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Wouldn’t it be something if the Saudis go on the offensive to Yemen if the Houtis keep this up … they are itching for a conflict too.
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 4:19:15 PM EST
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Any good livestreams?

Link Posted: 11/1/2023 4:20:25 PM EST
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Inside the gleaming developments that made Hamas a $1bn terror group High-value assets in Turkey ‘form part of a secret global investment portfolio’

Sounds like Hamas hss the $$$ to solve the humanitarian crisis.

Hamas has built a global operation to funnel funds to support its activities – using shell companies, physically moving cash, transferring via cryptocurrencies, syphoning support from charities, and receiving infusions from friendly nations such as Iran, which supports several militant groups in countries that border Israel.

Turkey, one of the countries where Hamas has investments through firms like Trend GYO, is coming under fire for failing to take a stronger stance toward Hamas. Unlike the US, UK and EU, Turkey does not consider Hamas a terrorist organisation.

Ankara has even granted citizenship to people linked to Hamas, including individuals later sanctioned by the US. Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh was also reportedly in Turkey when the group’s gunmen attacked Israel earlier this month.

Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, Turkey’s president, last week called Hamas “a liberation group, ‘mujahideen’ waging a battle to protect its lands and people,” using an Arabic word to refer to those who fight for their faith.

Wally Adeyemo, the US deputy treasury secretary, said his government’s sanctions were aimed at “dismantling Hamas’s funding networks… to deny Hamas the ability to exploit the international financial system.

The most recent sanctions named Trend GYO’s three top shareholders: Alaeddin Şengüler, board chairman; board member Gülşah Yiğidoğlu; and Arwa Mangoush.

Other alleged Hamas front companies based in Sudan, Algeria, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates have also previously been slapped with US sanctions for boosting the wealth of Hamas leaders and funding the group’s activities.

So now we know why our govt has been donating all this money to Iran
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 4:23:36 PM EST
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Originally Posted By MATTINFAIRBORN:
Israel has all the justification they need to push Gaza into the sea and eradicate Hamas wherever they find them given this cunt's words.


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Make the Peleset Sea Peoples Again
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