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Originally Posted By SoCalExile:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-m5NWpWEAAuyRQ?format=jpg View Quote Looks like a lot of them are having a Coke |
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Originally Posted By 6SJ7GT: He can sit down an shut up. You don't hear a lot of random suppressive fire on the audio feeds. Israel is being as careful as they can in an extremely difficult combat theater. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 6SJ7GT: Originally Posted By michigan66: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/501718/Screenshot_2023-11-10-17-24-52_kindlepho-3022753.JPG He can sit down an shut up. You don't hear a lot of random suppressive fire on the audio feeds. Israel is being as careful as they can in an extremely difficult combat theater. The Evil ones will turn on Israel. It is written. |
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when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness
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Originally Posted By Dangus: Until the US or France or the UK or whoever has walked in Israel's shoes, these other countries need to shut the fuck up and let Israel do the needful. View Quote France did walk in their shoes--in Algeria. They killed thousands and tortured many more. The paras "disappeared" lots of FLN fighters and supporters. Hell, they attacked a march of Algerians in Paris in the 1960s that ended with more than a few marchers dead or disappeared. Ask the Brits about the Mau-Maus in Kenya. They were still trying to hide that mess up until a few years ago. We won't even talk about Bomber Harris and how he fought when faced with an existential threat. Remember Madeline Albright and the "500K" Iraqi kids who died because of sanctions? When asked, in 1996 about it, she said the deaths, while unfortunate, were justified. |
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"A dying culture invariably exhibits personal rudeness. Bad manners. Lack of consideration for others in minor matters. A loss of politeness, of gentle manners, is more significant than is a riot."
Robert A. Heinlein, Friday |
"A dying culture invariably exhibits personal rudeness. Bad manners. Lack of consideration for others in minor matters. A loss of politeness, of gentle manners, is more significant than is a riot."
Robert A. Heinlein, Friday |
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They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin, 1775 |
Said they are finding tunnels everywhere. Every two or three house they are finding a tunnel.
Inside Israel's tunnel war in Gaza: How IDF is clearing Hamas 'city within a city' |
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Originally Posted By W_E_G: The sound of that artillery is epic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqLav6DV1iY View Quote Sounds like hell, they earned it. |
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Originally Posted By michigan66: They see Israel as a colonizer state, the last one left. In their mind, there are no innocents in Israel. The intellectuals who inspire these nitwits agree with Frantz Fanon: They weren't killing toddlers, they were freeing themselves. Attacking the "colonized" for freeing themselves isn't allowed. View Quote Well now Israel is freeing themselves through violence. Hopefully they continue. |
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Originally Posted By Dangus: Until the US or France or the UK or whoever has walked in Israel's shoes, these other countries need to shut the fuck up and let Israel do the needful. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Dangus: Until the US or France or the UK or whoever has walked in Israel's shoes, these other countries need to shut the fuck up and let Israel do the needful. Here's another way to think about it. Israel Defense Forces will (need) to destroy Hamas as a military force capable of attacks like the one it carried out on October 7 and to remove the group from power in Gaza. The goal is ambitious— but it has a logic in the “world of war” in which Israel now finds itself: a place in which an intolerable threat exists and can be eliminated only through the use of force. The many Western observers and countries counseling the Israelis against a large-scale ground invasion fail to see that logic because they inhabit a “world of peace”: a place in which even significant threats can be managed and mitigated through a combination of force and diplomacy. Article in Foreign Affairs--Invading Gaza Is the Least Bad Option for Israel All the Other Options Have Already Failed |
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"A dying culture invariably exhibits personal rudeness. Bad manners. Lack of consideration for others in minor matters. A loss of politeness, of gentle manners, is more significant than is a riot."
Robert A. Heinlein, Friday |
Originally Posted By shotar: I take a slightly different view. It might be semantics, but Hamas is the elected government of Gaza. Their military directly invaded and attacked the nation of Israel specifically targeting unarmed women and children. If they did not want total war in return, they shouldn't have started one. Until Gaza unconditionally surrenders, a reduction in hostilities is unwarranted. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By shotar: Originally Posted By macro: I keep seeing a lot of crying and whining about the 'poor innocent Palestinians'that Israel is 'murdering' in Gaza. Seems like this is the socially progressive position to take, and the media is amplifying this message as much as they can. Do these dolts not understand that the only reason the IDF is hitting back is because Israel was attacked by terrorists? If 10/7 came and went like any other day, none of this would be happening. I understand that the media and the politicians are pushing this narrative on purpose. But is the average American so painfully ignorant that they believe this bullshit? I take a slightly different view. It might be semantics, but Hamas is the elected government of Gaza. Their military directly invaded and attacked the nation of Israel specifically targeting unarmed women and children. If they did not want total war in return, they shouldn't have started one. Until Gaza unconditionally surrenders, a reduction in hostilities is unwarranted. Semantics and a belief and values system which is totally different than ours. They are Muslims FIRST, and Gazans / Palestinians second. People keep wanting to frame this as one country’s government vs another country’s government. It’s not. They’re fighting a different war than we are. “I, my brothers, and my cousins against the world.” |
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Originally Posted By realwar: Said they are finding tunnels everywhere. Every two or three house they are finding a tunnel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlvAWhmWDao View Quote When the Egyptians went after the smuggling tunnels they found so many that they were shocked the earth hadn't caved in, making the border a giant sink hole. |
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"A dying culture invariably exhibits personal rudeness. Bad manners. Lack of consideration for others in minor matters. A loss of politeness, of gentle manners, is more significant than is a riot."
Robert A. Heinlein, Friday |
Originally Posted By W_E_G: The sound of that artillery is epic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqLav6DV1iY https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/105614/big_boom_2_jpg-3022829.JPG View Quote Good sound on my surround sound system. |
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Originally Posted By Dagger41: I think the Izzy's will give them a one hour or so timeline to evacuate the premises and then blow the fuck out of it with a massive airstrike using bunker busters. The terrorists are running out of places to hide and I understand the tunnel complex underneath the hospital compound can house up to 60,000 of those bastards. They are in there. War is Hell, but they asked for it. So be it. View Quote Yep, and a large part of the world turns a blind eye. Imagine being a kid and playing squirt gun or dirt clod wars, and pretending that your buddy's treehouse isn't their HQ even though you see the hose going in there and there are piles of dirt right outside it. Someone makes up a rule on the spot that the treehouse can't be raided, and then somehow everyone just agrees that it's not really a treehouse, there's no dirt outside, and that green thing isn't actually a garden hose. Even most liberals know what they are doing, they know why they are doing it, and yet they defend it. |
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IDF really should get rid of the sniper near the cam, I have to assume they know about him.
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Originally Posted By SafetyFirst: Simple I know but how does anyones brain not comprehend why Israel is responding to 1400 of their people being slaughtered by brutal animals? It's not brain surgery. What are these protesters smoking? View Quote Because "oppression", and it's just not fair that the technologically superior force is winning. The protestors are truly simpletons, regardless of their so-enlightened college student status. They are dangerous as hell, because they view themselves as the enlightened and educated, and de humanize any opposition as readily as any sociopath. The 2-second-view-time-Tik-Tok-world has no time or patience for anything but a one-dimensional solution to all problems and a worldview that gets attaboys from the purveyors of Western guilt. |
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Politics is about power and resources, not about policy and morality.
Broadcaster and Survivor: ARFcockalypse 2012 Survivor: ARFbortion 2016 |
Originally Posted By ServusVeritatis: “You shouldn’t kill the nation of terrorists or they will become terrorists!” View Quote But, all cultures are equal! If we just show them tolerance and acceptance, they will embrace Western values. They are just lashing out, so anything they do is justified. There are 3 year olds among us, and they are in charge of the government, educational institutions, and they watch our kids. Lord of the Flies, adult version. |
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Somebody just ran into a fireteam on this feed
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They are fighting right below the camera by the founds of it.
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Originally Posted By SIMJEDI: That guy has been there for hours. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By SIMJEDI: Originally Posted By FreeToProsper: IDF really should get rid of the sniper near the cam, I have to assume they know about him. Probably IDF |
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Don't you tell me about galaxies! I walk them in the timeline.
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Originally Posted By PsyTek: Yep, and a large part of the world turns a blind eye. Imagine being a kid and playing squirt gun or dirt clod wars, and pretending that your buddy's treehouse isn't their HQ even though you see the hose going in there and there are piles of dirt right outside it. Someone makes up a rule on the spot that the treehouse can't be raided, and then somehow everyone just agrees that it's not really a treehouse, there's no dirt outside, and that green thing isn't actually a garden hose. Even most liberals know what they are doing, they know why they are doing it, and yet they defend it. View Quote It's the latest thing. Social life and all... |
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Politics is about power and resources, not about policy and morality.
Broadcaster and Survivor: ARFcockalypse 2012 Survivor: ARFbortion 2016 |
Originally Posted By Rossi: The "elections" results since 2020 (and similar historical events in other countries) more than clearly demonstrated this, isn't it? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Rossi: Originally Posted By davis9588: Originally Posted By BM1455:
Yeah…. There is no way of voting our way out of this… The "elections" results since 2020 (and similar historical events in other countries) more than clearly demonstrated this, isn't it? including the election results of this week, indication of 2024 results? |
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“Therefore, I call from here upon the prime minister, the minister of defense, other government ministers and decision-makers: Don’t you dare stop! Don’t you dare hesitate! Don’t you dare fold! “Don’t you dare allow even one drop of fuel into accursed Gaza until the rats, the evil terrorists of Hamas-ISIS, those who murder Jewish babies and rape little Jewish girls, those who rain rockets down upon all Israelis without discrimination – until they come out of their rat holes and are eliminated. Don’t you dare! Article: Click To View Spoiler Pressures on Israel from Washington and other Western capitals are mounting to curtail the campaign to destroy Hamas, because of the humanitarian toll in Gaza.
Israeli government leaders must resist these pressures with all their might. They must persist in pounding Hamas-ISIS to smithereens until every last Hamas commander is dead, every last Hamas terror attack tunnel is destroyed, and every last Hamas missile bunker is obliterated. That is the only justification for the tenure of this government; that is its promise to Israeli society. That is the only way Israel can restore basic security to a battered and traumatized public, the only way Israelis will return to their homes in the Negev and the Galilee. It is the only way Israel can restore some of its deterrent posture and survive in the predatory Middle East. It is the only way Israel stands a chance of pushing back against radical Islam’s attempt to strangulate Israel and achieve regional hegemony. The war cannot and must not end until Israel has achieved its legitimate military objectives in full, with no fudging, no obfuscations, and no hesitations. Israel cannot tolerate ceasefires along the way – no truces, no armistices, no fall backs, no restrictions on its use of (overwhelming and simultaneously precise) force – until total victory is achieved. Complete capitulation or annihilation of Hamas is the goal, nothing less. No more Hamas in Gaza, or in Judea and Samaria (the West Bank). No more Hamas terrorists alive elsewhere in the world either. They all must be hunted down and eliminated. Everyone in Hamas must be hunted down and eliminated In the history of modern warfare, there is no more justified military campaign than this one. And only such a campaign to absolutely end the Hamas threat to Israel justifies the heavy losses that Israel already has suffered and the pain of what almost certainly will be further losses. Israeli leaders have no mandate from the Israeli public to call off or scale back the assault on Hamas. Should they do so, under pressure from well-meaning and fickle allies alike, Israelis will explode in anger, assuredly filling the streets of every city in this country with millions of protesters demanding that the war against Hamas be fully prosecuted. Compromise with Hamas would be defeat. Bending to US President Biden (who, it must be acknowledged, thus far has been rock solid in his backing of Israel) would be considered collapse. OVER THE past 10 days, Israel has buried more than 30 brave warriors – fine and fearless young men pressed into military service to defend their country, many of them with tender wives and beautiful, little, now-orphaned children. One of them was my beloved young friend Yonadav Levenstein, may the Heavens avenge his death. Yonadav was a physical giant (known as the “Viking” of the Givati brigade’s elite reconnaissance unit) and a singer-scholar of a soul. He fought heroically in Nahal Oz on October 7-8, and then in Jabalya and Shati in Gaza before being felled by Palestinian barbarians who popped out of a terrorist attack tunnel. Just two months ago, I danced with him at his wedding to the delicate Hadar Karavani, singing together about happiness and joy in the streets of Jerusalem. Yonadav was the youngest son of my closest friends, Leora and Dr. Michael (Mordechai) Levenstein of Ma’aleh Adumim, who, like me, made aliyah from Canada many decades ago. Tragically, Michael died of cancer three years ago. Michael’s last request, pressed on me the night before he passed away, was to assist Yonadav in his wish to serve in a frontline IDF combat unit. Michael knew that Yonadav’s deepest desire – and, in retrospect, I guess his ultimate task in life – was to fight for the freedom and safety of the Jewish People in the Land of Israel. YONADAV’S ELDEST brother, Elnatan, a prominent lawyer and rising community figure, is a fighter for the Jewish People too, having served in an elite, secret commando unit on Israel’s southern border, and this month in an elite reserve unit on the northern border. I see Elnatan and his cohort as the next generation of Israel’s leaders, a new generation of principled and wise leaders whom this country desperately needs. Elnatan was laying in ambush against Hezbollah when he was called offline to travel home for Yonadav’s funeral on Mount Herzl in Jerusalem. Standing over the fresh gravesite of his youngest brother, Elnatan gave majestic voice to the defiant demand that the Israeli government stand firm in pursuing the war goals without flinching. This is what he said: “Yonadav, you were intimately familiar with our people’s history. You loved this country with all your heart. You built yourself up and fought to be accepted as a warrior in the Givati reconnaissance unit, where you excelled. “Alas, now you too are part of our history; part of a bloody war that is a historical turning point. A tough but necessary war. A war for the future of our people in our land. A war that should have been over a long time ago, a war that your generation should not have had to fight. “In Operation Pillar of Defense in 2012, I and my army unit, along with the entire IDF, were trained and ready to complete the task. We had detailed battle plans and received clear instructions – only to have these plans and orders canceled repeatedly at the last moment. And over the years since then, there were other opportunities (to crush the enemy) that were not taken. “And now, you, little Yonadav, the baby of our family, were forced to fight this fight on behalf of us all. “This war must be Israel’s last war! Otherwise, the price is too high. Yonadav, you and your comrades-in-arms did not die in battle so that others will have to die in yet another war in two or five years’ time. The price that Israeli society has paid since that evil, horrible day of massacres on October 7, Simchat Torah 5784, is intolerable. No more! “Therefore, I call from here upon the prime minister, the minister of defense, other government ministers and decision-makers: Don’t you dare stop! Don’t you dare hesitate! Don’t you dare fold! “Don’t you dare allow even one drop of fuel into accursed Gaza until the rats, the evil terrorists of Hamas-ISIS, those who murder Jewish babies and rape little Jewish girls, those who rain rockets down upon all Israelis without discrimination – until they come out of their rat holes and are eliminated. Don’t you dare! “It is the obligation of the government of Israel to ensure that every Israeli can live in quiet, peace, and security without fearing that terrorists will overrun their homes or fire missiles at them. “David Ben-Gurion once said that ‘Our future is not dependent on what the goyim, the nations of the world, say, but on what the Jews do.’ And now is the time to do, to act decisively. We did not want to lose in battle Yonadav or any of our brave young men and women. But this war has been forced upon Israel, and we must finish it once and for all. “I say to our government: The People of Israel stand firmly behind you for this purpose, putting aside all internal disagreements. We, our family, already have paid the highest price in grief. Our lives will never be the same. Now you must finish the job, for us, for the fallen soldiers, for our people, for the sake of future generations. “And if you are not up to the task, if you don’t have the guts to win the war – stand aside, vacate your seats at the cabinet table, so that others, better leaders, can take your place.” The writer is senior fellow at the Misgav Institute for National Security & Zionist Strategy. The views expressed here are his own. His diplomatic, defense, political, and Jewish world columns over the past 27 years are at davidmweinberg.com. |
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"A dying culture invariably exhibits personal rudeness. Bad manners. Lack of consideration for others in minor matters. A loss of politeness, of gentle manners, is more significant than is a riot."
Robert A. Heinlein, Friday |
Originally Posted By fike: Originally Posted By SIMJEDI: Originally Posted By FreeToProsper: IDF really should get rid of the sniper near the cam, I have to assume they know about him. Probably IDF I’m pretty sure most of their setups are suppressed |
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Lights just went off at the hospital.
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Hospital just went dark at 0202
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Originally Posted By SIMJEDI: Something went outbound before the all the shooting. https://i.imgur.com/5olFcVI.gif View Quote Alien fly by? |
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Originally Posted By mac130: I hope they reach the Hospital tonight View Quote my guess is that it will be at least a week, if not weeks, for them to reach Al Shifa. IDF has some really tough territory to slog through. I wonder if the Biden-mandated "daily pauses" are helpful to the IDF, to identify Hamas activity? for sure Hamas will use the half-time pauses to rearm rocket launchers, take up concealed ATGM positions, snipers hides, etc. it just sucks that our POTATUS admin is interfering in Israels fight for survival. |
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Originally Posted By FreeToProsper: I’m pretty sure most of their setups are suppressed View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By FreeToProsper: Originally Posted By fike: Originally Posted By SIMJEDI: Originally Posted By FreeToProsper: IDF really should get rid of the sniper near the cam, I have to assume they know about him. Probably IDF I’m pretty sure most of their setups are suppressed I wouldn’t be surprised either way (some of the conscription forces are rolling with pretty old stuff). |
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Don't you tell me about galaxies! I walk them in the timeline.
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Originally Posted By Element94: Any chance the hospital is rigged to blow when the Israelis go inside? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Element94: Originally Posted By PsyTek: Originally Posted By michigan66: I hope Sinwar and company are there. I can't believe they'd still be at the hospital when it's common knowledge that was their HQ. Almost seems they're baiting the IDF to blow it to hell, killing only patients because the Hamas commanders were long gone. This let's them run the "dead baby" play as well as making Israeli intelligence look dumb. With any hope, the IDF had the tunnel structure well mapped, and the bombing so far has sealed off any escape routes from HQ. It would be delicious for them to be trapped in their little hamas nest of deceit, as the IDF closes in on them. However, I have zero faith in the media to actually show the world that 99% of hospital occupants were combatants. Hell, the damn NICU is probably full of fucking RPGs and rocket making shit. Of course, what I'd really like to see is something like those youtube videos where someone pours molten aluminum into an ant hill, then digs out around it to show the intricate pattern of tunnels and rooms. Any chance the hospital is rigged to blow when the Israelis go inside? 100% Al Jazeera will be standing by, just outside of blast range, to be first on-site to report the Israeli air strike. |
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when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness
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Originally Posted By SoCalExile:
View Quote I'll bet Bibi's equivalent of Secret Service did not insist on removing the firing pins (or similar de-nut) from all the soldiers' weapons (US version). Chamber flags are gud enuf. |
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Originally Posted By michigan66: France did walk in their shoes--in Algeria. They killed thousands and tortured many more. The paras "disappeared" lots of FLN fighters and supporters. Hell, they attacked a march of Algerians in Paris in the 1960s that ended with more than a few marchers dead or disappeared. Ask the Brits about the Mau-Maus in Kenya. They were still trying to hide that mess up until a few years ago. We won't even talk about Bomber Harris and how he fought when faced with an existential threat. Remember Madeline Albright and the "500K" Iraqi kids who died because of sanctions? When asked, in 1996 about it, she said the deaths, while unfortunate, were justified. View Quote That France is long gone. |
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Originally Posted By CletusRoundbelly: Lights just went off at the hospital. 2:02:25 View Quote 2:02:53 on the Cyprus stream. ETA: lights restored at 2:41:06 on the Cyprus stream GAZA LIVE : Palestine,GAZA | Multi-cams | Stream#81 |
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Originally Posted By TripleC: New Stream starting soon... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Jt_ZWNzd7c View Quote This one doesn’t have the clueless commentary https://www.youtube.com/live/u_POzqfBLWo?si=KEzL7Kch2Zw65X_c |
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Originally Posted By michigan66: It takes a lot to make Milley look smart, but this jackass has pulled it off. View Quote The demoncrats are installing exactly the officers and clowns they want in key leadership positions in the military and government. The somewhat decent ones have been purged. |
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Originally Posted By Element94: That France is long gone. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Element94: Originally Posted By michigan66: France did walk in their shoes--in Algeria. They killed thousands and tortured many more. The paras "disappeared" lots of FLN fighters and supporters. Hell, they attacked a march of Algerians in Paris in the 1960s that ended with more than a few marchers dead or disappeared. Ask the Brits about the Mau-Maus in Kenya. They were still trying to hide that mess up until a few years ago. We won't even talk about Bomber Harris and how he fought when faced with an existential threat. Remember Madeline Albright and the "500K" Iraqi kids who died because of sanctions? When asked, in 1996 about it, she said the deaths, while unfortunate, were justified. That France is long gone. Very true. I was just pointing out the hypocrisy of those criticizing Israel for "killing babies and civilians". |
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"A dying culture invariably exhibits personal rudeness. Bad manners. Lack of consideration for others in minor matters. A loss of politeness, of gentle manners, is more significant than is a riot."
Robert A. Heinlein, Friday |
Originally Posted By Rebel31: Western countries opening up their doors to muslims was and is a HUGE mistake. They're the very worst people in the world to allow in. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Rebel31: Originally Posted By BM1455:
Western countries opening up their doors to muslims was and is a HUGE mistake. They're the very worst people in the world to allow in. Be careful who you go to war with, because your culture will absorb some part of the enemy's. |
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Originally Posted By TripleC: Yall see this one?
View Quote I watched that shit live. Except it was a stationary camera next to that moving one. Heard the yells, didn't see the effects. |
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It's not stupid, it's advanced!!
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Originally Posted By michigan66: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/501718/Screenshot_2023-11-10-19-04-03_kindlepho-3022903.JPG “Therefore, I call from here upon the prime minister, the minister of defense, other government ministers and decision-makers: Don’t you dare stop! Don’t you dare hesitate! Don’t you dare fold! “Don’t you dare allow even one drop of fuel into accursed Gaza until the rats, the evil terrorists of Hamas-ISIS, those who murder Jewish babies and rape little Jewish girls, those who rain rockets down upon all Israelis without discrimination – until they come out of their rat holes and are eliminated. Don’t you dare! Article: Click To View Spoiler Pressures on Israel from Washington and other Western capitals are mounting to curtail the campaign to destroy Hamas, because of the humanitarian toll in Gaza. Israeli government leaders must resist these pressures with all their might. They must persist in pounding Hamas-ISIS to smithereens until every last Hamas commander is dead, every last Hamas terror attack tunnel is destroyed, and every last Hamas missile bunker is obliterated. That is the only justification for the tenure of this government; that is its promise to Israeli society. That is the only way Israel can restore basic security to a battered and traumatized public, the only way Israelis will return to their homes in the Negev and the Galilee. It is the only way Israel can restore some of its deterrent posture and survive in the predatory Middle East. It is the only way Israel stands a chance of pushing back against radical Islam’s attempt to strangulate Israel and achieve regional hegemony. The war cannot and must not end until Israel has achieved its legitimate military objectives in full, with no fudging, no obfuscations, and no hesitations. Israel cannot tolerate ceasefires along the way – no truces, no armistices, no fall backs, no restrictions on its use of (overwhelming and simultaneously precise) force – until total victory is achieved. Complete capitulation or annihilation of Hamas is the goal, nothing less. No more Hamas in Gaza, or in Judea and Samaria (the West Bank). No more Hamas terrorists alive elsewhere in the world either. They all must be hunted down and eliminated. Everyone in Hamas must be hunted down and eliminated In the history of modern warfare, there is no more justified military campaign than this one. And only such a campaign to absolutely end the Hamas threat to Israel justifies the heavy losses that Israel already has suffered and the pain of what almost certainly will be further losses. Israeli leaders have no mandate from the Israeli public to call off or scale back the assault on Hamas. Should they do so, under pressure from well-meaning and fickle allies alike, Israelis will explode in anger, assuredly filling the streets of every city in this country with millions of protesters demanding that the war against Hamas be fully prosecuted. Compromise with Hamas would be defeat. Bending to US President Biden (who, it must be acknowledged, thus far has been rock solid in his backing of Israel) would be considered collapse. OVER THE past 10 days, Israel has buried more than 30 brave warriors – fine and fearless young men pressed into military service to defend their country, many of them with tender wives and beautiful, little, now-orphaned children. One of them was my beloved young friend Yonadav Levenstein, may the Heavens avenge his death. Yonadav was a physical giant (known as the “Viking” of the Givati brigade’s elite reconnaissance unit) and a singer-scholar of a soul. He fought heroically in Nahal Oz on October 7-8, and then in Jabalya and Shati in Gaza before being felled by Palestinian barbarians who popped out of a terrorist attack tunnel. Just two months ago, I danced with him at his wedding to the delicate Hadar Karavani, singing together about happiness and joy in the streets of Jerusalem. Yonadav was the youngest son of my closest friends, Leora and Dr. Michael (Mordechai) Levenstein of Ma’aleh Adumim, who, like me, made aliyah from Canada many decades ago. Tragically, Michael died of cancer three years ago. Michael’s last request, pressed on me the night before he passed away, was to assist Yonadav in his wish to serve in a frontline IDF combat unit. Michael knew that Yonadav’s deepest desire – and, in retrospect, I guess his ultimate task in life – was to fight for the freedom and safety of the Jewish People in the Land of Israel. YONADAV’S ELDEST brother, Elnatan, a prominent lawyer and rising community figure, is a fighter for the Jewish People too, having served in an elite, secret commando unit on Israel’s southern border, and this month in an elite reserve unit on the northern border. I see Elnatan and his cohort as the next generation of Israel’s leaders, a new generation of principled and wise leaders whom this country desperately needs. Elnatan was laying in ambush against Hezbollah when he was called offline to travel home for Yonadav’s funeral on Mount Herzl in Jerusalem. Standing over the fresh gravesite of his youngest brother, Elnatan gave majestic voice to the defiant demand that the Israeli government stand firm in pursuing the war goals without flinching. This is what he said: “Yonadav, you were intimately familiar with our people’s history. You loved this country with all your heart. You built yourself up and fought to be accepted as a warrior in the Givati reconnaissance unit, where you excelled. “Alas, now you too are part of our history; part of a bloody war that is a historical turning point. A tough but necessary war. A war for the future of our people in our land. A war that should have been over a long time ago, a war that your generation should not have had to fight. “In Operation Pillar of Defense in 2012, I and my army unit, along with the entire IDF, were trained and ready to complete the task. We had detailed battle plans and received clear instructions – only to have these plans and orders canceled repeatedly at the last moment. And over the years since then, there were other opportunities (to crush the enemy) that were not taken. “And now, you, little Yonadav, the baby of our family, were forced to fight this fight on behalf of us all. “This war must be Israel’s last war! Otherwise, the price is too high. Yonadav, you and your comrades-in-arms did not die in battle so that others will have to die in yet another war in two or five years’ time. The price that Israeli society has paid since that evil, horrible day of massacres on October 7, Simchat Torah 5784, is intolerable. No more! “Therefore, I call from here upon the prime minister, the minister of defense, other government ministers and decision-makers: Don’t you dare stop! Don’t you dare hesitate! Don’t you dare fold! “Don’t you dare allow even one drop of fuel into accursed Gaza until the rats, the evil terrorists of Hamas-ISIS, those who murder Jewish babies and rape little Jewish girls, those who rain rockets down upon all Israelis without discrimination – until they come out of their rat holes and are eliminated. Don’t you dare! “It is the obligation of the government of Israel to ensure that every Israeli can live in quiet, peace, and security without fearing that terrorists will overrun their homes or fire missiles at them. “David Ben-Gurion once said that ‘Our future is not dependent on what the goyim, the nations of the world, say, but on what the Jews do.’ And now is the time to do, to act decisively. We did not want to lose in battle Yonadav or any of our brave young men and women. But this war has been forced upon Israel, and we must finish it once and for all. “I say to our government: The People of Israel stand firmly behind you for this purpose, putting aside all internal disagreements. We, our family, already have paid the highest price in grief. Our lives will never be the same. Now you must finish the job, for us, for the fallen soldiers, for our people, for the sake of future generations. “And if you are not up to the task, if you don’t have the guts to win the war – stand aside, vacate your seats at the cabinet table, so that others, better leaders, can take your place.” The writer is senior fellow at the Misgav Institute for National Security & Zionist Strategy. The views expressed here are his own. His diplomatic, defense, political, and Jewish world columns over the past 27 years are at davidmweinberg.com. View Quote this |
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Originally Posted By michigan66: France did walk in their shoes--in Algeria. They killed thousands and tortured many more. The paras "disappeared" lots of FLN fighters and supporters. Hell, they attacked a march of Algerians in Paris in the 1960s that ended with more than a few marchers dead or disappeared. Ask the Brits about the Mau-Maus in Kenya. They were still trying to hide that mess up until a few years ago. We won't even talk about Bomber Harris and how he fought when faced with an existential threat. Remember Madeline Albright and the "500K" Iraqi kids who died because of sanctions? When asked, in 1996 about it, she said the deaths, while unfortunate, were justified. View Quote We stand for peace and coexistence. Until it happens to us. Same old hypocritical story. |
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You ever notice that no one says "don't judge me" when they've done something positive? - gearjammer351 Do it. GD needs entertainment. Your misery will amuse us. - Cypselus |
Originally Posted By Durka-Durka: I watched that shit live. Except it was a stationary camera next to that moving one. Heard the yells, didn't see the effects. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Durka-Durka: Originally Posted By TripleC: Yall see this one?
I watched that shit live. Except it was a stationary camera next to that moving one. Heard the yells, didn't see the effects. It happened not long after the hospital feed went down and came back up, pretty sure that was palliwood |
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The IDF is saying that the projectile fired at the hospital last night came from the locals, not them. They surmised that it was a misfire by one of the terrorists. Just like I guessed it was earlier.
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Does IDF shoot the flares or the Muslims shoot them off to counter NV?
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