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Posted: 9/1/2024 5:26:23 AM EST
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So Hamas executed an American citizen. WTF is Biden doing?
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Posted: 9/1/2024 6:10:14 AM EST
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Posted: 9/1/2024 6:12:11 AM EST
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Originally Posted By neshomamench: Ill be in the West Bank in about 48 hours.  Oddly enough there are places in the west bank (while very fucking hostile) that are utterly amazing. As you head toward Jerico...deep in "should not be here" country. There is a desolate hill that has a view of a lot of the ancient Jerusalem skyline. I was sitting on that hill eating some wicked good falafel soon after the war started, enjoying one of the most peaceful moments of my life....until it wasnt. I had to unass the area really fast. Its all such a shame. Originally Posted By armoredman: Be safe, sir.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/1/2024 6:46:55 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PolarBear416: So Hamas executed an American citizen. WTF is Biden doing? Biden is on Day 12 off his vacation in the wake of the stress of taking his last week-long vacation. |
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Posted: 9/1/2024 7:14:22 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PolarBear416: So Hamas executed an American citizen. WTF is Biden doing? He's not mentally competent. It's better for us all, he might bomb Texas. |
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Posted: 9/1/2024 7:44:33 AM EST
[Last Edit: michigan66]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: He's not mentally competent. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: Originally Posted By PolarBear416: So Hamas executed an American citizen. WTF is Biden doing? He's not mentally competent. Sources report Biden flew into a rage when he was informed about their deaths, screaming at Jake Sullivan to get Stalin, Saladin, and the King of Siam on the phone "right fucking now so we can stop this bullshit". /s He has acted as the negotiator for Hamas since last year. Hamas was close to signing a temporary deal in February, then he and Kamala decided to berate Israel in public. Sinwar and the Doha boys then figured it was better to hold out and wring more concessions from Israel. It's better for us all, he might bomb Texas. He wouldn't give Texans 5 days to get out of the way--warnings are only for the Iranians. |
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Posted: 9/1/2024 7:59:30 AM EST
[Last Edit: michigan66]
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According to the source, while the physical condition of the hostages was frail, it did not indicate extreme emaciation or starvation, and had they not been shot, they would have survived.
Overnight, the IDF recovered the bodies of six Israeli hostages from a Hamas tunnel in Rafah in the southern Gaza Strip, who according to the military were murdered by their captors not long before they were found. The hostages are Hersh Goldberg-Polin, 23, Eden Yerushalmi, 24, Ori Danino, 25, Alex Lubnov, 32, Carmel Gat, and Almog Sarusi, 25. According to the IDF, the six were murdered by Hamas a short while, possibly around a day or two, before troops found them. The IDF did not have the exact location of the hostages, but had indications of a general area where the six could be held. The military says it operated carefully in the area, due to the possibility that hostages were being held there. Troops began to search a tunnel complex yesterday, until they found the hostages dead in the afternoon. Overnight their bodies were extracted from Gaza and brought to Israel for identification. The IDF says there were no clashes with Hamas terrorists inside the tunnel, and the guards who likely murdered the six fled the area. The tunnel in which the slain hostages were found, in Rafah, is about a kilometer away from where soldiers found hostage Farhan al-Qadi earlier this week. Goldberg-Polin, Yerushalmi, Danino, Lubnov, and Sarusi were abducted from the Nova music festival near Kibbutz Re’im by Hamas terrorists on October 7, while Gat was taken from Kibbutz Be’eri. Link for live blog for information posted below Sources: Autopsies reveal the six hostages retrieved from Gaza were shot in the head, no signs of other physical trauma found. Findings from autopsies of the six hostages whose bodies were recovered from Gaza indicate that they had all been shot in the head, and that there is no doubt they died as the result of the shooting, a source said. According to the source, while the physical condition of the hostages was frail, it did not indicate extreme emaciation or starvation, and had they not been shot, they would have survived. The source added that no sign of other physical trauma was found on the bodies. Israeli source: Three of the six hostages were supposed to be released in first stage of next hostage deal An Israeli source said three of the six hostages whose bodies were recovered from Gaza were supposed to be released in the first stage of the hostage release/cease-fire deal currently being negotiated. "They appeared in the lists given over at the beginning of July. It was possible to bring them back alive," the source said. According to the proposed deal for the release of the hostages that has been discussed recently, Hersh Goldberg-Polin, Eden Yerushalmi and Carmel Gat were supposed to be released in the first stage of the deal: Goldberg-Polin because of the injury to his hand, and Carmel and Eden because they are women. The Histadrut labor federation said it is discussing whether to call a general strike, after families of hostages and opposition leader Yair Lapid called on it to shut down the economy in protest for the release of the hostages. The Histadrut said in the next few hours it will make a decision "to stop or not to stop" the country's economy. The three people killed in shooting attack in West Bank were police officers Three police officers were shot and killed on Sunday morning near the Tarqumiya checkpoint in the Hebron area. According to the army, shots were fired at a vehicle, sparking a manhunt for the shooters. Police officer killed in West Bank shooting lost his daughter, also a police officer, in October 7 attack One of the police officers killed in the shooting attack near the Tarqumiya checkpoint in the Hebron area was named as Advanced Staff Sgt. Maj. Roni Shkuri. His daughter Mor Shkuri also served as a police officer and was killed in the Sderot police station on October 7.
The Hamas terrorist organization brutally murdered six Israeli hostages yesterday, held since October 7th, including dual citizens. Despite ongoing negotiations led by the U.S. for a new hostage deal, Hamas continues its killings driven by a murderous and extremist ideology. We must stop the Iranian octopus and its proxy organizations before it's too late.
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Posted: 9/1/2024 10:20:37 AM EST
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Karnei Zur after the car bombing terrorist attack:
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Posted: 9/1/2024 12:19:36 PM EST
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A Palestinian gunman who carried out this morning's deadly shooting attack in the southern West Bank has been killed by troops in Hebron, the military says. Troops of the Duvdevan Commando Unit surrounded a building in Hebron where the gunman was holed up, following intelligence on his whereabouts provided by the Shin Bet security agency and Military Intelligence Directorate. The commandos carried out a tactic known as “pressure cooker” that involves escalating the volume of fire directed at a building to force a suspect to come out. The soldiers fired shoulder-launched missiles at the building, and the gunman was eventually killed. A military source says the troops found an M16 assault rifle on his body. Three police officers were killed in the attack this morning near Tarqumiyah.
A bomb-making lab located by the military in the West Bank city of Hebron yesterday was used to manufacture the explosive devices used in the attempted dual car bombing attack in the Gush Etzion area over the weekend, the Shin Bet says. At least six suspects were detained in connection to the attack at a gas station in Gush Etzion and the settlement of Karmei Tzur. The Shin Bet says that during the interrogation of some of the suspects from Hebron, they directed the agency to a bomb-making lab in the West Bank city. According to the Shin Bet, the lab was used to manufacture the bombs used in the attack. The bombs were made of improvised materials, the Shin Bet says, and not "quality" explosives. Troops raided the lab over the weekend, took evidence, and demolished the building. The Shin Bet says it continues to investigate the attack, and additional arrests are planned.  Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File
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Posted: 9/1/2024 3:05:12 PM EST
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The background of the Palestinian who killed the three cops earlier--"the shooter" is affiliated with the Palestinian Authority's Fatah movement, and in the past served in the PA's presidential guard. Surprise, surprise.
The Palestinian gunman who shot dead three police officers in the southern West Bank earlier today, and was later killed by commandos in Hebron, is identified by the IDF as Muhannad al-Aswad, 31, from Idhna. According to the IDF, al-Aswad is affiliated with the Palestinian Authority's Fatah movement, and in the past served in the PA's presidential guard. The IDF and Shin Bet continue to investigate the attack. Meanwhile, the IDF says that so far amid its ongoing operation in the northern West Bank, some 30 gunmen have been killed.
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A Hezbollah anti-tank guided missile attack on Kfar Yuval earlier today seriously wounded an Israeli civilian and moderately wounded a member of the northern border community's local security team, the military says. More than 30 rockets were launched from Lebanon since this afternoon, including a barrage of 10 rockets at the Misgav Am area and another 20 at Matat, according to the IDF. There were no injuries in the rocket attacks. Meanwhile, the IDF says that throughout the day it struck Hezbollah rocket launchers in Ayta ash-Shab and Bint Jbeil, buildings used by the terror group in Beit Lif, Taybeh, and Odaisseh, among other infrastructure.
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Posted: 9/1/2024 4:14:18 PM EST
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Herzi Halevi in Jenin:
An Islamic Yihad Commander has been eliminated: Israeli troops in Jenin: IDF soldiers in Nur Shams: Daniel Hagari: |
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Posted: 9/1/2024 5:06:32 PM EST
[Last Edit: Eight_Ring]
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Huge protests, but they are angry at the goverment for not negotiating?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/drone-aerials-show-huge-tel-aviv-protest-after-deaths-of-israeli-hostages-in-gaza/vi-AA1pOlp1 How the fuck is Netanyahu supposed to accomplish "an immediate hostage deal"? https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-817299 |
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Posted: 9/1/2024 5:37:21 PM EST
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 Institute for Study of War Backgrounder 1 Sept Key Takeaways Details on recovery of the remains of the six hostages The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) recovered the bodies of six Israeli hostages from a tunnel in Rafah on September 1. Security sources said that Hamas executed the hostages two to three days before the hostages' remains were found and recovered. Israeli forces did not encounter Palestinian fighters inside or near the tunnels where they found the hostages. The remains were found one kilometer away from where a living hostage, Farhan al Qadi, was found and rescued on August 27. Chief of Staff Lieutenant General Herzi Halevi, IDF Southern Command commander Major General Yaron Finkelman, and hostage talks negotiator Major General (res.) Nitzan Alon visited the recovery site in Rafah on September 1. Hamas did not deny killing the hostages but did blame Israel for the hostages' deaths by failing to agree to a ceasefire. Three of the hostages were supposed to be released in the first stage of a ceasefire-hostage deal. Defense Minister Yoav Gallant criticized the August 29 decision by Israeli’s political-security cabinet to back Netanyahu’s proposal to maintain and IDF presence on the Philadelphi Corridor—a major hurdle in a ceasefire-hostage deal. An Israeli Army Radio correspondent said that the hostages were likely executed around the time on August 29th that the security cabinet approved keeping an IDF presence on the Egypt-Gaza border (Philadelpi Corridor). Gaza A humanitarian pause began September 1 in the central Gaza Strip to enable humanitarian aid groups to start a mass polio vaccination campaign. Israel will also conduct three day pauses in designated areas of the southern and northern Gaza Strip from September 4 to 9. The IDF continued to conduct limited military operations in the Gaza Strip during the pause, with the Air Force striking the Safed school in Gaza City that Hamas used as a command-and-control site. Palestinian militias conducted three rocket attacks on Israeli forces near the Netzarim Corridor; fighters also mortared Israeli forces north of the corridor in Zaytoun, southern Gaza City. Hamas and the Popular Resistance Committees attacked an Israeli military bulldozer with a tandem charged rocket-propelled grenade in Tal al Sultan, Rafah. 162nd Division operations in Rafah on August 31 included the recovery the remains of six Israeli hostages. The al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades fired rockets at an IDF site in southern Israel east of the Netzarim Corridor. West Bank A Palestinian shot and killed three Israeli police officers in a vehicle near Hebron on September 1. The fighter was associated with Fatah and had previously served in the Palestinian Authority’s Presidential Guard. IDF Duvdevan Commandos (the unit that served as the model for Fauda) found and killed the perpetrator hours after the attack in Hebron. The al Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades attacked Israeli forces that entered Hebron to search for the shooter. The IDF continued raids in Jenin for the sixth consecutive day, engaging Palestinian militias in at least ten areas in the Jenin Governorate, with most action concentrated in Jenin City and refugee camp. The al Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades and Palestinian Islamic Jihad’s Jenin battalions attacked Israeli forces with small arms and improvised explosive devices, killing one IDF Bislamach Brigade soldier and wounding three others. South Lebanon and the Golan Heights Hezbollah conducted 11 attacks on northern Israel since CTP-ISW's last data cutoff on August 31, wounding three Israelis with an anti-tank guided missile at Kfar Yuval checkpoint in Upper Galilee. Yemen CENTCOM destroyed a Houthi drone and unmanned surface vessel (USV) in Houthi-controlled areas of Yemen on August 31    Al-Jazeera's March 2023 report on the Jenin Brigades. 7 minutes long.  My life as a Palestinian fighter | Close Up |
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Posted: 9/1/2024 5:38:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eight_Ring: Huge protests, but they are angry at the goverment for not negotiating? https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/drone-aerials-show-huge-tel-aviv-protest-after-deaths-of-israeli-hostages-in-gaza/vi-AA1pOlp1 How the fuck is Netanyahu supposed to accomplish "an immediate hostage deal"? https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-817299 Some of their people are as deluded as American liberals |
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Posted: 9/1/2024 10:31:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eight_Ring: How the fuck is Netanyahu supposed to accomplish "an immediate hostage deal?   Too many Israelis seem to be affected by Bibi Derangement Syndrome. A one-sided “ceasefire” and/or withdrawal is only going to encourage Hamas and ultimately cause more suffering (and not just for the hostages). Hamas is never going to stop trying to kill Jews. |
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Posted: 9/2/2024 12:39:47 AM EST
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I don't get the protesters in Israel who keep demanding that Netanyahu negotiate a deal and get the hostages released. They understand Hamas has the hostages right? Do the protesters suggest that Israel give Hamas whatever they want to get them released? The more pressure the protesters put on Netanyahu, the worse the deal with Hamas would potentially be to get hostages released. Arabs have only been trying to wipe Israel off the map since the country was created, but now is the time to trust in diplomacy?
It would be a waste of breath, but I'd like to ask the families of hostages what they would say to a future Israeli family who had their loved one taken. Say Netanyahu releases a bunch of terrorists from Israeli prisons today to get hostages released. 5 years from now those same terrorists kidnap more Israelis and hold them hostage. Is it ok to spite Israelis in the future as long as your family member is released today? If you don't eliminate them now, this will just keep happening again and again. Would the protesters think it would have been a good idea to negotiate a peace with Nazi Germany when Allied and Soviet troops reached the German border? If not, then what is the difference to today? |
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Posted: 9/2/2024 4:59:26 AM EST
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Ben Gurion is at a standstill right now because of the “strike” or walk out or whatever.
It isn’t expected to last and I hope it doesn’t. I am fixin to head that way. |
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Posted: 9/2/2024 6:02:36 AM EST
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The security forces are now operating at the Hizma checkpoint after a vehicle suspected of being trapped was stopped:
IDF Intl Spox. On Recovery of 6 Hostages’ Bodies: More about the counterterrorism operations in the Judea area: The IDF struck Hezbollah rocket launchers in Ayta ash-Shab and Bint Jbeil, buildings used by the terror group in Beit Lif, Taybeh, and Odaisseh, among other infrastructure. "Hamas still holds 101 hostages in Gaza, including women, children, and the elderly. We will not stop until every hostage is brought home." Hear from IDF International spokesperson Overnight, the IAF struck Hezbollah military structures in the areas of Yaroun, Ayta ash Shab, Hanine, Tayr Harfa and Blida in Southern Lebanon. |
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Posted: 9/2/2024 7:02:52 AM EST
[Last Edit: michigan66]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By neshomamench:Ben Gurion is at a standstill right now because of the “strike” or walk out or whatever. It isn’t expected to last and I hope it doesn’t. I am fixin to head that way. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By neshomamench:Ben Gurion is at a standstill right now because of the “strike” or walk out or whatever. It isn’t expected to last and I hope it doesn’t. I am fixin to head that way. Supposedly ended at 2:30 PM Israeli time. Originally Posted By DouglasQuaid: I don't get the protesters in Israel who keep demanding that Netanyahu negotiate a deal and get the hostages released. They understand Hamas has the hostages right? Do the protesters suggest that Israel give Hamas whatever they want to get them released? The more pressure the protesters put on Netanyahu, the worse the deal with Hamas would potentially be to get hostages released. Arabs have only been trying to wipe Israel off the map since the country was created, but now is the time to trust in diplomacy? It would be a waste of breath, but I'd like to ask the families of hostages what they would say to a future Israeli family who had their loved one taken. Say Netanyahu releases a bunch of terrorists from Israeli prisons today to get hostages released. 5 years from now those same terrorists kidnap more Israelis and hold them hostage. Is it ok to spite Israelis in the future as long as your family member is released today? If you don't eliminate them now, this will just keep happening again and again. Would the protesters think it would have been a good idea to negotiate a peace with Nazi Germany when Allied and Soviet troops reached the German border? If not, then what is the difference to today? The problem is Israel has done these deals for at least 40 years. Tough to say you won't make one when the hostages are 6-month old babies and 89 year old great-grandfathers. |
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Posted: 9/2/2024 7:33:27 AM EST
[Last Edit: michigan66]
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Houthis start September with a bang.
Attacked UKMTO #118 Update 1 1 September 2024. 152903N, 0412803E UKMTO WARNING INCIDENT 118. ATTACK-UPDATE 001 Incident Date:02 Sep 2024 Incident Time:0130UTC UKMTO has received a report of an incident 70NM northwest of Saleef, Yemen. Update 001: The Master of a merchant vessel reports that the vessel was hit by 2 unknown projectiles. Damage control is underway, the Master reports a third explosion in close proximity to the vessel. There are no casualties onboard and the vessel is proceeding to its next port of call.  Attached FileAttacked UKMTO #119 Update 1 2 September 2024. 144500N, 0415100E UKMTO WARNING INCIDENT 119-ATTACK Incident Date:02 Sep 2024 Incident Time:0630UTC UKMTO has received a report of an incident 58NM west of Al Hudaydah, Yemen. Update 001: The Master of a merchant vessel reports that the vessel was hit by an Uncrewed Aerial System. There are no casualties onboard and the vessel is proceeding to its next port of call.  Attached File
Five things to know about the Palestinian Popular Resistance Committees 1. The PRC is the third-largest terrorist group in Gaza. The PRC with its military wing, the Al-Nasser Salah al-Din Brigades, has grown into the third-largest terrorist organization in Gaza behind Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ), respectively. The group also has an active presence in the West Bank. In 2000, the group emerged as a radical offshoot of Fatah, the largest faction under the multi-party Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) umbrella, but quicky became independent. The U.S. State Department acknowledged as early as 2005 that the PRC “carried out a significant number of terrorist attacks from the Rafah area” in southern Gaza. 2. The PRC has repeatedly attacked and killed Americans and Israelis. Since its founding, the PRC has claimed responsibility for more than 100 attacks against Israelis and Americans, including several attacks executed in coordination with U.S.-designated terrorist organizations such as Hamas, PIJ, and al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades. On October 16, 2003, the PRC planted a roadside bomb that struck a U.S. diplomatic vehicle in Beit Lahiya, Gaza, killing three Americans. The PRC — along with operatives from Hamas’s al-Qassam Brigades and the Palestinian terrorist group Jaysh al-Islam — also played a role in the June 2006 kidnapping of Israeli Staff Sergeant Gilad Shalit. During the 2014 and 2021 Gaza wars, the PRC launched rockets at Israeli cities resulting in multiple civilian fatalities. 3. The PRC participated in Hamas’s October 7 terror attack. The PRC touted its participation in Hamas’s October 7 attack on social media, claiming that it successfully launched kamikaze drones against Israel during the assault and kidnapped Israeli soldiers. The group also shared images on its official Telegram channel showing Israeli military equipment and personal items that the PRC said belonged to its hostages. 4. Iran and its proxies Hezbollah and Hamas provide the PRC with military support. The PRC has repeatedly and publicly thanked the Islamic Republic of Iran for providing military support and training. In 2016, PRC spokesman Jamal Abu Samhadna Abu Atayya said that Tehran provided “advice and guidance” to the group. In 2021, he thanked Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) for providing “every missile, shell, or any tool of the Resistance.” Iran-backed Hezbollah also supports the PRC; following the May 2021 Gaza war, Abu Atayya claimed that the PRC “developed and excelled during the previous battles, thanks first to God Almighty, and then thanks to the support of the Lebanese Hezbollah for us.” Moreover, PRC officials have openly admitted that Hamas allows them to operate freely inside Gaza. “What I can say is that the [Hamas] government in Gaza didn’t prevent us from doing a thing with regard to our resistance activity,” PRC spokesman Abu Mujahid said in 2012. 5. The PRC is not a U.S.-designated foreign terrorist organization. The U.S. State Department designated both Hamas and PIJ as foreign terrorist organizations (FTOs) in 1997, but the PRC, to date, remains undesignated. In April 2024, a bipartisan group of lawmakers introduced legislation to designate and sanction the PRC. “Hamas was not the only terrorist group guilty of atrocities,” House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman Rep. Michael McCaul (R-TX) explained. “This bill updates our sanctions to cover all of the terrorist groups operating in the West Bank and Gaza.” Rep. Brad Sherman (D-CA) said that Washington must hold the PRC “accountable for decades of cowardly attacks” and “apply the full force of U.S. sanctions to cut off the PRC from the global financial system.”
Daily Update, September 2, 2024 - 14:30 - Northern Arena 1.In the past 24 hours, Hezbollah has claimed responsibility for 13 attacks against Israel using high-trajectory fire, anti-tank missiles, and suicide UAVs. 2.Additionally, yesterday (September 1), a suicide UAV was launched from Lebanon to the Bar'am area, and high-trajectory fire was launched to Misgav Am area. No group has claimed responsibility for these incidents. 3.Yesterday, Hezbollah fired anti-tank missiles toward the Kfar Yuval community, injuring a civilian and a member of the community's first responder's unit. Furthermore, anti-tank missiles were also launched toward the communities of Avivim and Manara. 4.Yesterday, Hezbollah launched approximately 20 rockets toward the Mattat area in response to an earlier IDF strike in Beit Leif that killed a Hezbollah terrorist. Additionally, a Hezbollah attack that targeted Manara hit a house in the nearby city of Kiryat Shmona, causing severe damage. 5.In the past 24 hours, the IDF has targeted several Hezbollah sites in southern Lebanon, including rocket launchers, buildings, and infrastructure around Ayta ash-Shab, Bint Jbeil, Beit Lif, Tayibe, Odaisseh, Kfarchouba, Chebaa, Yaroun, Hanine, Tayr Harfa and Blida in southern Lebanon. 6.This morning (September 2), a vehicle was attacked on the main road north of Naqoura in southern Lebanon. The vehicle was carrying Ali Yusef Mahdi and Hussein Mahdi Mahdi, both from Naqoura. Their affiliation is currently unknown. At least one of them is highly likely a Hezbollah operative. The two were traveling in a vehicle belonging to a building and maintenance company called Techno Building Materials, that has an active contract with UNIFIL. It is important to note that many Hezbollah operatives are also engaged in civilian professions.  Attached File
Throughout August 2024, #Hezbollah and other organizations carried out 281 attacks on the northern border (compared with 259 in July). Since the beginning of the war, there have been 2,840 attacks against #Israel on the northern border. Almost half (48.5%) are against civilian targets.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/2/2024 8:32:50 AM EST
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Another visible miracle: our forces blow up the car bomb that was found this morning at the entrance to Atara settlement:
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Posted: 9/2/2024 9:23:47 AM EST
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Where does Hamas get all of the M4 ‘s from I don’t see any AK’s hardly anymore.
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Posted: 9/2/2024 11:28:09 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cranberry1: Where does Hamas get all of the M4 ‘s from I don’t see any AK’s hardly anymore. Stolen from the IDF and kibbutz self defense forces, stolen/bought from one of the 17 PA security services, smuggled in from Syria and Iran via Jordan. Iran makes AR clones, so does China. I see AKs in the caches the Israelis find in tunnels and buried under mosques, schools, etc. Most are in rough shape. There was an Egyptian copy of a Swedish K the IDF found a month or so ago. |
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Posted: 9/2/2024 1:37:05 PM EST
[Last Edit: michigan66]
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‘Moving in the Dark’: Hamas Documents Show Tunnel Battle Strategy--link to article..
Highpoints Hamas’s handbook for underground combat describes, in meticulous detail, how to navigate in darkness, move stealthily beneath Gaza The 2019 manual was part of an effort to build an underground military operation that could withstand prolonged attacks. Just a year before attacking Israel, Yahya Sinwar, the leader of Hamas in the Gaza Strip, approved spending $225,000 to install blast doors to protect the militia’s tunnel network from airstrikes and ground assaults. Israeli officials spent years searching for and dismantling tunnels that Hamas could use to sneak into Israel to launch an attack. But.. the underground network inside Gaza was not a priority, Israeli officials knew before the war that Hamas had an extensive tunnel network, but it has proved to be more sophisticated and extensive than they realized. Early in the war, they estimated that it stretched for about 250 miles. Now they believe it is up to twice as long. Hamas...[uses] the tunnels to launch aboveground hit-and-run attacks, hide from Israeli forces and detonate explosives using remote triggers and hidden cameras. Israel's military has still decimated Hamas’s ranks, routed them from strongholds and forced them to abandon huge swaths of the tunnel network that they invested so heavily to build. The IDF discovered the tunnel warfare document in Gaza City’s Zeitoun District in November, officials said. “Hamas’s combat strategy is based on underground tactics,” said Tamir Hayman, a former head of Israel’s military intelligence. “This is one of the primary reasons they have managed to withstand the I.D.F. thus far.” Hamas uses some rudimentary tunnels simply to mount attacks..other tunnels are sophisticated command-and-control centers or arteries connecting underground weapons factories to storage facilities — concealing Hamas’s entire military infrastructure. In some cases, Hamas has used solar panels installed on the roofs of private homes to provide power underground. A tunnel under the United Nations agency for Palestinians in Gaza City [had] a telecomunications system set up in a climate-controlled room. Similar systems provide voice and data services..and could have functioned as a switchboard for an underground communication network. But the features require additional hardware and it is not clear what abilities Hamas had. Last year, the Israeli Army discovered a tunnel that had a depth of 250 feet — about the height of a 25-story building. The army said it took months to destroy it. “I cannot overstate that in any way. The tunnels impact the pace of the operations,” said Daphné Richemond-Barak, a tunnel warfare expert at Reichman University in Israel. “You can’t advance. You can’t secure the terrain.” “You’re dealing with two wars,” she added. “One on the surface and one on the subsurface.” One Israeli officer said that as soldiers approached the tunnels, Hamas sometimes blasted the ceilings, causing cave-ins that would block the path. Israel has publicized videos of the military destroying tunnels with more than 16 tons of explosives per kilometer. It costs Hamas about $300,000 to build roughly a half-mile-long rudimentary tunnel. Ms. Richemond-Barak said that the letter from Mr. Sinwar highlighted the expense and sophistication behind the effort. Blast doors seal tunnel segments from each other and from the outside, protecting against bombings and breaches. They also hamper the army’s use of drones to inspect and map tunnels. The Israeli military has repeatedly encountered blast doors as they cleared tunnels. Despite the tactics described in the tunnel-fighting manual, once those doors have been breached, Israeli officials say, soldiers seldom find Hamas fighters behind them. Entire article on Hamas tunnels in quote box ‘Moving in the Dark’: Hamas Documents Show Tunnel Battle Strategy Hamas leaders spent years developing an underground warfare plan. Records from the battlefield show the group’s preparations, including blast doors to protect against Israeli bombs and soldiers. Sept. 2, 2024 Hamas’s handbook for underground combat describes, in meticulous detail, how to navigate in darkness, move stealthily beneath Gaza and fire automatic weapons in confined spaces for maximum lethality. Battlefield commanders were even instructed to time, down to the second, how long it took their fighters to move between various points underground. The 2019 manual, which was seized by Israeli forces and reviewed by The New York Times, was part of a yearslong effort by Hamas, well before its Oct. 7 attack and current war with Israel, to build an underground military operation that could withstand prolonged attacks and slow down Israeli ground forces inside the darkened tunnels. Just a year before attacking Israel, Yahya Sinwar, the leader of Hamas in the Gaza Strip, approved spending $225,000 to install blast doors to protect the militia’s tunnel network from airstrikes and ground assaults. The approval document said that Hamas brigade commanders had reviewed the tunnels below Gaza and identified critical places underground and at the surface that needed fortification. The records, along with interviews with experts and Israeli commanders, help explain why, nearly a year into the war, Israel has struggled to achieve its objective of dismantling Hamas. Israeli officials spent years searching for and dismantling tunnels that Hamas could use to sneak into Israel to launch an attack. But assessing the underground network inside Gaza was not a priority, a senior Israeli official said, because an invasion and full-scale war there seemed unlikely. All the while, officials now realize, Hamas was girding for just such a confrontation. Were it not for the tunnels, experts say, Hamas would have stood little chance against the far superior Israeli military. The underground-combat manual contains instructions on how to camouflage tunnel entrances, locate them with compasses or GPS, enter quickly and move efficiently. “While moving in the dark inside the tunnel, the fighter needs night-vision goggles equipped with infrared,” the document, written in Arabic, reads. Weapons should be set to automatic and fired from the shoulder. “This type of shooting is effective because the tunnel is narrow, so the shots are aimed at the kill zones in the upper part of the human body.” Israeli officials knew before the war that Hamas had an extensive tunnel network, but it has proved to be more sophisticated and extensive than they realized. Early in the war, they estimated that it stretched for about 250 miles. Now they believe it is up to twice as long. And they continue to discover new tunnels. Just last week, Israeli commandos rescued a Bedouin Arab citizen of Israel who was found alone in an underground warren. The government said on Sunday that six hostages had been found dead in another tunnel. Mr. Sinwar, Israel’s highest-value target, has been suspected of managing the war and evading capture from a tunnel. The records show how both sides have had to adapt their tactics in the war. Just as Israel underestimated the tunnels, Hamas prepared for subterranean battles that have not materialized. Israel was reluctant, especially early in the war, to send troops underground where they might face combat. Hamas has primarily ambushed soldiers near tunnel entrances, while avoiding direct confrontations. That has left Hamas to use the tunnels to launch aboveground hit-and-run attacks, hide from Israeli forces and detonate explosives using remote triggers and hidden cameras, according to Israeli military officials and a review of battlefield photos and videos. These maneuvers have slowed Israel’s assault, but its military has still decimated Hamas’s ranks, routed them from strongholds and forced them to abandon huge swaths of the tunnel network that they invested so heavily to build. Members of the Israeli military discovered the tunnel warfare document in Gaza City’s Zeitoun District in November, officials said. A letter from Mr. Sinwar to a military commander was found that same month south of the city. The documents were made available to The Times by Israeli military officials. A military spokesperson said that “the fact that Hamas is hiding in tunnels and managing much of the fighting from there prolongs the war.” A senior Hamas official declined to comment on the tunnel strategy. The markings on the documents are consistent with other Hamas materials that have been made public or been examined by The Times. And Israeli soldiers have described details, like camouflaged tunnel entrances and recently installed blast doors, that are consistent with the Hamas documents. The documents also describe the use of gas detectors and night-vision goggles, equipment that Israeli forces have found inside tunnels. “Hamas’s combat strategy is based on underground tactics,” said Tamir Hayman, a former head of Israel’s military intelligence. “This is one of the primary reasons they have managed to withstand the I.D.F. thus far.” Since the war started, much has been revealed about the subterranean network, which has been called the “Gaza Metro.” Hamas uses some rudimentary tunnels simply to mount attacks. The fighting manual describes how people should maneuver these narrow passages in darkness: with one hand on the wall and the other on the fighter in front. Other tunnels are sophisticated command-and-control centers or arteries connecting underground weapons factories to storage facilities — concealing Hamas’s entire military infrastructure. In some cases, Hamas has used solar panels installed on the roofs of private homes to provide power underground. Photographs taken during an escorted visit on Feb. 9 to a tunnel under the United Nations agency for Palestinians in Gaza City show a telecomunications system set up in a climate-controlled room. Some tunnels also serve as communication hubs. This past winter, Israeli forces discovered a Nokia telecommunications system underneath the headquarters of the U.N. agency for Palestinian refugees. Such Nokia systems provide voice and data services, according to the manual obtained by The Times, and could have functioned as a switchboard for an underground communication network. But the features require additional hardware and it is not clear what abilities Hamas had. Hamas has been known to hold Israeli hostages underground, so every tunnel needs to be investigated and cleared, Israeli officials say. Destroying a tunnel section can take dozens of soldiers about 10 hours, according to a senior Israeli officer who is an expert on tunnel warfare. Last year, the Israeli Army discovered a tunnel that had a depth of 250 feet — about the height of a 25-story building. The army said it took months to destroy it. “I cannot overstate that in any way. The tunnels impact the pace of the operations,” said Daphné Richemond-Barak, a tunnel warfare expert at Reichman University in Israel. “You can’t advance. You can’t secure the terrain.” “You’re dealing with two wars,” she added. “One on the surface and one on the subsurface.” One Israeli special operations officer, who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to publicly discuss military activities, said that as soldiers approached the tunnels, Hamas sometimes blasted the ceilings, causing cave-ins that would block the path. An Israeli military official said that it could take years to destroy the entire tunnel network. Israel’s military leadership has made the tunnels its main target. But the campaign has come at a steep cost for Palestinian civilians. Many of the tunnels snake beneath densely occupied areas. Israel has publicized videos of the military destroying tunnels with more than 16 tons of explosives per kilometer. The Israeli military estimates that it costs Hamas about $300,000 to build roughly a half-mile-long rudimentary tunnel. Ms. Richemond-Barak said that the letter from Mr. Sinwar highlighted the expense and sophistication behind the effort. The letter was written to Muhammad Deif, the group’s military commander, who is believed to have been an architect of the Oct. 7 attack. It is not clear when Hamas completed its review of tunnel fortifications or whether it was done in connection to the attack planning. Mr. Sinwar wrote that “the brigades will be given the money according to the level of importance and necessity.” The letter could indicate where the group anticipated the toughest fighting. Mr. Sinwar authorized the most money for doors in northern Gaza and Khan Younis. Indeed, some of the heaviest fighting during the war has taken place in those areas. “The Hamas tunnel system was an essential, if not existential element of their original battle plan,” said Ralph F. Goff, a former senior C.I.A. official who served in the Middle East. It is not clear when Hamas started using the doors, but Ms. Richemond-Barak said the group’s heavy reliance on them was new. She was not aware of Hamas using them during a 2014 war with Israel. Blast doors seal tunnel segments from each other and from the outside, protecting against bombings and breaches. They also hamper the army’s use of drones to inspect and map tunnels. The Israeli military has repeatedly encountered blast doors as they cleared tunnels. Despite the tactics described in the tunnel-fighting manual, once those doors have been breached, Israeli officials say, soldiers seldom find Hamas fighters behind them. They have fled, reflecting an attack-and-retreat strategy that has become commonplace. Eric Schmitt contributed reporting from Washington. Adam Goldman writes about the F.B.I. and national security. He has been a journalist for more than two decades. More about Adam Goldman Ronen Bergman is a staff writer for The New York Times Magazine, based in Tel Aviv. His latest book is “Rise and Kill First: The Secret History of Israel’s Targeted Assassinations,” published by Random House. More about Ronen Bergman |
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By michigan66: Houthis start September with a bang. Attacked UKMTO #118 Update 1 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/501718/GWcs0uyXYAAPeeJ_png-3311372.JPG Attacked UKMTO #119 Update 1 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/501718/GWdVaK9XEAICzVo_png-3311373.JPG
Five things to know about the Palestinian Popular Resistance Committees
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https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/501718/GWZhkv5XsAA0rHk_jpeg-3311382.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By michigan66: Houthis start September with a bang. Attacked UKMTO #118 Update 1 1 September 2024. 152903N, 0412803E UKMTO WARNING INCIDENT 118. ATTACK-UPDATE 001 Incident Date:02 Sep 2024 Incident Time:0130UTC UKMTO has received a report of an incident 70NM northwest of Saleef, Yemen. Update 001: The Master of a merchant vessel reports that the vessel was hit by 2 unknown projectiles. Damage control is underway, the Master reports a third explosion in close proximity to the vessel. There are no casualties onboard and the vessel is proceeding to its next port of call. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/501718/GWcs0uyXYAAPeeJ_png-3311372.JPG Attacked UKMTO #119 Update 1 2 September 2024. 144500N, 0415100E UKMTO WARNING INCIDENT 119-ATTACK Incident Date:02 Sep 2024 Incident Time:0630UTC UKMTO has received a report of an incident 58NM west of Al Hudaydah, Yemen. Update 001: The Master of a merchant vessel reports that the vessel was hit by an Uncrewed Aerial System. There are no casualties onboard and the vessel is proceeding to its next port of call. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/501718/GWdVaK9XEAICzVo_png-3311373.JPG
Five things to know about the Palestinian Popular Resistance Committees 1. The PRC is the third-largest terrorist group in Gaza. The PRC with its military wing, the Al-Nasser Salah al-Din Brigades, has grown into the third-largest terrorist organization in Gaza behind Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ), respectively. The group also has an active presence in the West Bank. In 2000, the group emerged as a radical offshoot of Fatah, the largest faction under the multi-party Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) umbrella, but quicky became independent. The U.S. State Department acknowledged as early as 2005 that the PRC “carried out a significant number of terrorist attacks from the Rafah area” in southern Gaza. 2. The PRC has repeatedly attacked and killed Americans and Israelis. Since its founding, the PRC has claimed responsibility for more than 100 attacks against Israelis and Americans, including several attacks executed in coordination with U.S.-designated terrorist organizations such as Hamas, PIJ, and al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades. On October 16, 2003, the PRC planted a roadside bomb that struck a U.S. diplomatic vehicle in Beit Lahiya, Gaza, killing three Americans. The PRC — along with operatives from Hamas’s al-Qassam Brigades and the Palestinian terrorist group Jaysh al-Islam — also played a role in the June 2006 kidnapping of Israeli Staff Sergeant Gilad Shalit. During the 2014 and 2021 Gaza wars, the PRC launched rockets at Israeli cities resulting in multiple civilian fatalities. 3. The PRC participated in Hamas’s October 7 terror attack. The PRC touted its participation in Hamas’s October 7 attack on social media, claiming that it successfully launched kamikaze drones against Israel during the assault and kidnapped Israeli soldiers. The group also shared images on its official Telegram channel showing Israeli military equipment and personal items that the PRC said belonged to its hostages. 4. Iran and its proxies Hezbollah and Hamas provide the PRC with military support. The PRC has repeatedly and publicly thanked the Islamic Republic of Iran for providing military support and training. In 2016, PRC spokesman Jamal Abu Samhadna Abu Atayya said that Tehran provided “advice and guidance” to the group. In 2021, he thanked Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) for providing “every missile, shell, or any tool of the Resistance.” Iran-backed Hezbollah also supports the PRC; following the May 2021 Gaza war, Abu Atayya claimed that the PRC “developed and excelled during the previous battles, thanks first to God Almighty, and then thanks to the support of the Lebanese Hezbollah for us.” Moreover, PRC officials have openly admitted that Hamas allows them to operate freely inside Gaza. “What I can say is that the [Hamas] government in Gaza didn’t prevent us from doing a thing with regard to our resistance activity,” PRC spokesman Abu Mujahid said in 2012. 5. The PRC is not a U.S.-designated foreign terrorist organization. The U.S. State Department designated both Hamas and PIJ as foreign terrorist organizations (FTOs) in 1997, but the PRC, to date, remains undesignated. In April 2024, a bipartisan group of lawmakers introduced legislation to designate and sanction the PRC. “Hamas was not the only terrorist group guilty of atrocities,” House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman Rep. Michael McCaul (R-TX) explained. “This bill updates our sanctions to cover all of the terrorist groups operating in the West Bank and Gaza.” Rep. Brad Sherman (D-CA) said that Washington must hold the PRC “accountable for decades of cowardly attacks” and “apply the full force of U.S. sanctions to cut off the PRC from the global financial system.”
Daily Update, September 2, 2024 - 14:30 - Northern Arena 1.In the past 24 hours, Hezbollah has claimed responsibility for 13 attacks against Israel using high-trajectory fire, anti-tank missiles, and suicide UAVs. 2.Additionally, yesterday (September 1), a suicide UAV was launched from Lebanon to the Bar'am area, and high-trajectory fire was launched to Misgav Am area. No group has claimed responsibility for these incidents. 3.Yesterday, Hezbollah fired anti-tank missiles toward the Kfar Yuval community, injuring a civilian and a member of the community's first responder's unit. Furthermore, anti-tank missiles were also launched toward the communities of Avivim and Manara. 4.Yesterday, Hezbollah launched approximately 20 rockets toward the Mattat area in response to an earlier IDF strike in Beit Leif that killed a Hezbollah terrorist. Additionally, a Hezbollah attack that targeted Manara hit a house in the nearby city of Kiryat Shmona, causing severe damage. 5.In the past 24 hours, the IDF has targeted several Hezbollah sites in southern Lebanon, including rocket launchers, buildings, and infrastructure around Ayta ash-Shab, Bint Jbeil, Beit Lif, Tayibe, Odaisseh, Kfarchouba, Chebaa, Yaroun, Hanine, Tayr Harfa and Blida in southern Lebanon. 6.This morning (September 2), a vehicle was attacked on the main road north of Naqoura in southern Lebanon. The vehicle was carrying Ali Yusef Mahdi and Hussein Mahdi Mahdi, both from Naqoura. Their affiliation is currently unknown. At least one of them is highly likely a Hezbollah operative. The two were traveling in a vehicle belonging to a building and maintenance company called Techno Building Materials, that has an active contract with UNIFIL. It is important to note that many Hezbollah operatives are also engaged in civilian professions. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/501718/GWd-ocTWgAAmftM_jpeg-3311377.JPG
Throughout August 2024, #Hezbollah and other organizations carried out 281 attacks on the northern border (compared with 259 in July). Since the beginning of the war, there have been 2,840 attacks against #Israel on the northern border. Almost half (48.5%) are against civilian targets. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/501718/GWZhkv5XsAA0rHk_jpeg-3311382.JPG Isn't the Lincoln CVBG in that area now from the Pacific? If so, you'd think they would have neutralized all threats to shipping by now. A month ago it was on the wrong side, Persian Gulf instead of Red Sea, but they've had a month, and Houthi's seem in range of flight ops with friendly overflight (UAE, Saudi Arabia). --ETA: Bigger Map from August 26  |
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Posted: 9/2/2024 2:07:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brass: Isn't the Lincoln CVBG in that area now from the Pacific? If so, you'd think they would have neutralized all threats to shipping by now. A month ago it was on the wrong side, Persian Gulf instead of Red Sea, but they've had a month, and Houthi's seem in range of flight ops with friendly overflight (UAE, Saudi Arabia). https://i.imgur.com/ajTlu3k.png We've had the forces in theater to stop the Houthis; the issue is an inept national security team that knows nothing about diplomacy or war, and whose every move has hurt US and allied interests in the Middle East. |
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Posted: 9/2/2024 2:15:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By michigan66: We've had the forces in theater to stop the Houthis; the issue is an inept national security team that knows nothing about diplomacy or war, and whose every move has hurt US and allied interests in the Middle East. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By michigan66: Originally Posted By brass: Isn't the Lincoln CVBG in that area now from the Pacific? If so, you'd think they would have neutralized all threats to shipping by now. A month ago it was on the wrong side, Persian Gulf instead of Red Sea, but they've had a month, and Houthi's seem in range of flight ops with friendly overflight (UAE, Saudi Arabia). https://i.imgur.com/ajTlu3k.png We've had the forces in theater to stop the Houthis; the issue is an inept national security team that knows nothing about diplomacy or war, and whose every move has hurt US and allied interests in the Middle East. It looks like they're parked for mid-course interception of Iranian ballistic missiles with either SM-2/3s or fighters for cruise missiles/drones in case Iran gets froggy. They don't seem to care about the oil and other ships being hit in the red sea, which used to be enough to spark an international incident and much gnashing of teeth and wringing of hands. Now it's just another day in the middle east. |
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Posted: 9/2/2024 2:29:13 PM EST
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Hamas has always shot hostages and prisoners that were about to be freed. There was a famous case from 1994 where they killed an IDF soldier, Nachshon Wachsman. This latest announcement is gaslighting bullshit to make people think Netanyahu is the guilty party. Israel ought to blame Sinwar for the abuse in IDF prisons--"if you'd accepted the deal, your guy wouldn't have been raped with a stick, Yawyaw".
The Hamas terror group hints that it murdered the six hostages whose bodies were recovered by the IDF from a tunnel in southern Gaza's Rafah over the weekend. In a statement, the spokesman for the military wing of Hamas says that following Israel's successful hostage rescue in Nuseirat in June, new protocols were given to terrorists guarding the abductees if Israeli troops near them. "We say to everyone clearly that after the Nuseirat incident, new instructions were issued to the mujahideen assigned to guard the prisoners regarding dealing with them if the occupation army approached their place of detention," Hudhaifa Kahlout — known by the nom de guerre Abu Obeida — says. Hamas is believed by Israel to have given standing orders to operatives who are holding hostages, to kill the captives if they think Israeli forces are approaching. The six hostages recovered over the weekend -- Hersh Goldberg-Polin, Eden Yerushalmi, Ori Danino, Alex Lobanov, Carmel Gat, and Almog Sarusi -- were killed just days before troops found them, according to an autopsy and the IDF. "Netanyahu's insistence on liberating the prisoners through military pressure instead of concluding a deal will mean that they will return to their families inside coffins and their families will have to choose whether they are dead or alive," Abu Obeida adds. At the beginning of the war, Abu Obeida threatened to execute Israeli hostages and release footage of the killings.
Article from X post In longest West Bank raid in 20 years, IDF aims to set stage for future, smaller ops JENIN REFUGEE CAMP, West Bank — Troops have been operating in Jenin, considered by Israel to be one of the West Bank’s major terror hotspots, since early Wednesday, making it the longest operation in the territory in over 20 years. The operation — internally dubbed “Summer Camps” by the army — began with simultaneous raids on Jenin, Tulkarem, and the Far’a camp near Tubas, with the goal of dismantling Iran-backed Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad terror networks in the three areas of the northern West Bank. But the scale of the ongoing raid, as well as its stated goals, are far from what the Israel Defense Forces carried out in 2002’s month-long Operation Defense Shield during the Second Intifada. So far, according to the IDF, more than 30 gunmen have been killed in the operation, among them the head of Hamas in Jenin and the head of Islamic Jihad in the Tulkarem area. One Israeli soldier was killed in Jenin, and several more troops have been wounded in the raids. The raids in Tulkarem and Far’a have since concluded. However, troops are pressing on with operations in Jenin, where early Monday, a drone strike was carried out against a group of Palestinians who were hurling explosives at troops. In Jenin alone, 14 terror operatives have been killed in clashes and four drone strikes; 25 wanted Palestinians have been detained; some 20 weapons have been seized; and more than 30 explosive devices have been neutralized, the military said Monday evening. Just hours after Monday morning’s drone strike, reporters were given an escorted visit by the Israeli army to Jenin and the city’s refugee camp, where troops since Wednesday have been battling gunmen, locating weapon manufacturing labs, and ripping up roads to uncover explosive devices. Senior IDF officials have said that the operations in Jenin are primarily aimed at giving the military “operational freedom” to be able to act there in the future to thwart terror attacks. This was also the stated goal of the last major operation in Jenin, more than a year ago. By eroding the Hamas and Islamic Jihad terror networks in the area, IDF officials said, the army would be able to more easily carry out arrests of wanted Palestinians in Jenin and foil major terror attacks that are being planned from the area, using fewer forces and facing less-fierce resistance by local gunmen. The IDF has been working to kill the leaders and operatives of the terror networks, as well as demolishing their bomb labs, though with the knowledge that the commanders and gunmen will likely be replaced and new explosive manufacturing sites established, though not immediately. Still, military officials said that a balance needs to be found between the intensity of the operations and the repercussions of such raids, as Israel cannot afford to turn the West Bank into its primary front amid the ongoing fighting against Hamas in Gaza and heightened tensions on the northern border. Israel also lacks the international legitimacy to carry out anything more major in the West Bank, such as staying in Jenin for extended periods of time, IDF officials noted. The military believes that it can continue to operate at this pace in Jenin and other parts of the West Bank, with near-nightly arrest raids and major operations every few weeks or months, to thwart the attempts by Hamas and Islamic Jihad to grow, thus preventing major terror attacks on Israeli targets. In Jenin’s refugee camp on Monday, the usually bustling streets were almost completely empty, and heavily damaged. Some civilians, including municipal workers fixing up damaged infrastructure and local journalists, were walking about amid the army’s operations. According to the IDF’s estimates, some 85 percent of the population had moved out of the camp during the raid, largely heading into the city itself. The IDF has allowed Palestinian civilians to leave the area safely, although it has not issued any evacuation orders. Many, but not all, of the roads in the camp were ripped up by IDF armored bulldozers, as combat engineers searched for and neutralized dozens of explosive devices planted under and on the side of the streets by local terror operatives. Maj. Ron — whose last name was withheld due to security concerns — the chief combat engineer in the IDF’s Menashe Regional Brigade, told reporters that “the explosive device threat ramped up in the past year in the northern [West Bank] area, especially in Jenin.” “The explosive device threat is developing, the enemy understands that this is its deadly weapon,” the officer said, referring to three deadly roadside bomb attacks in the northern West Bank in recent months. “[The enemy] tries to attack our forces on the roads, and our response to that is using the engineering vehicles, the bulldozers, backhoes, which allow us to open up the roads for the forces to reach their objectives,” he said. Chief Superintendent Zacky Tafesh, a senior Border Police officer who has been participating in the ongoing operation, said he had not seen this many explosive devices during a West Bank operation before. “There are many explosive devices here. We haven’t encountered something like this in a long time. We are constantly encountering explosive devices. But with our experience we know how to deal with it very well,” he said. Asked if ripping up the roads is counterproductive, as it makes it harder for the IDF to locate new bombs planted along a damaged route in the future, Ron, the engineering officer, said “it’s a dilemma” but the goal is “to make sure that our troops aren’t harmed.” “We don’t do anything without thinking first. We don’t strike every area and leave behind total destruction. The engineering operation is not independent. It comes with intelligence,” Ron said. The officers noted that the IDF has not encountered any “game-changing” weapons in Jenin amid the operation so far, such as RPGs or more “high quality” explosive devices, but they said that they are aware of the possibility. The engineering officer said, “Our goal in the end is to establish operational control in this area, and not allow them to develop and become stronger. We are here to establish operational control and kill as many gunmen as possible, which will let the IDF operate accordingly, with more freedom of action.” Tafesh also told reporters that the goal of the operation, ultimately, is to secure “operational freedom” for future tasks. “[It’s to] prevent terrorists from coming from here and carrying out [attacks] on the home front. What we are required to do, as part of the mission, is to contain it all here. Carry out arrests, bring attackers to justice or kill them, and thwart terror attacks in Judea and Samaria, and within the country,” he said. “[The operation] is very significant. As long as the [terror] doesn’t leak out, and we foil it here, that’s an achievement for us. As long as there are no attacks on civilians or soldiers, this is an achievement for us. The required achievement is to foil the attacks before they are carried out,” Tafesh added.  Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File
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Hamas and its allies within the Iran-led Axis of Resistance are undoubtedly monitoring the increasing pressure on the Israeli government. With conflicts on Israel's borders, significant unrest in the West Bank, and rising Israeli public demands for a ceasefire, most of the burden has and continues to be on the Israeli government to concede to Hamas' demands. This dynamic has provided Hamas with ample incentive to remain steadfast in its demands for a ceasefire. The greatest tragedy of this situation is that the pressure has and continues to persist on Israel to compromise with Hamas' demands rather than at the Islamist group to de-escalate and accept a ceasefire. Such a mindset risks enabling a resurgence of Hamas in Gaza in the near future. |
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Posted: 9/2/2024 2:30:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PolarBear416: So Hamas executed an American citizen. WTF is Biden doing? Napping at the beach. |
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Posted: 9/2/2024 2:34:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brass: It looks like they're parked for mid-course interception of Iranian ballistic missiles with either SM-2s or fighters for cruise missiles/drones in case Iran gets froggy. They don't seem to care about the oil and other ships being hit in the red sea, which used to be enough to spark an international incident and much gnashing of teeth and wringing of hands. Now it's just another day in the middle east. That's what Seth Frantzman has been saying for a while now. What once was an act of war is now seen as a minor issue. Which only makes a larger and more dangerous conflict more likely. Showing some backbone in the Fall and Spring would have saved the lives of thousands of people now and in the future. |
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Posted: 9/2/2024 3:24:29 PM EST
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Posted: 9/2/2024 3:45:16 PM EST
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Of course. That has been the US administration's strategy from day 1, and is also the reason Hamas isn't negotiating or conceding anything. Why should they? Blinken and Lloyd are doing an excellent job representing the terror group by forcing Israeli concessions. |
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Posted: 9/2/2024 4:18:44 PM EST
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The family of murdered hostage Eden Yerushalmi has authorized the release of a portion of the sick terror video that Hamas published earlier today. The Yerushalmi family released this statement: "Our Eden, we love you too and we miss you like crazy. You are forever in our hearts."  Attached File
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Posted: 9/2/2024 4:22:07 PM EST
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I don’t want to drift too far off topic, but today’s gathering of Hamas supporters in NYC seems relevant to this discussion:
  This new normal is definitely affecting public perception here in the US and further influencing foreign policy regarding Israel. |
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Posted: 9/2/2024 4:47:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By djohn: I don’t want to drift too far off topic, but today’s gathering of Hamas supporters in NYC seems relevant to this discussion: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/28207/D973395D-03CC-452E-9A55-0B21128A8875-3311778.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/28207/F7C8072C-CE43-4263-B4DF-34F50DE6D845-3311779.jpg This new normal is definitely affecting public perception here in the US and further influencing foreign policy regarding Israel. This is no drift at all. This war won't end like WW2 with clear winners and losers; in cases like Gaza, shaping world opinion in favor of Hamas at the expense of Israel is another front in the war.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/2/2024 4:50:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DouglasQuaid: I don't get the protesters in Israel who keep demanding that Netanyahu negotiate a deal and get the hostages released. They understand Hamas has the hostages right? Do the protesters suggest that Israel give Hamas whatever they want to get them released? The more pressure the protesters put on Netanyahu, the worse the deal with Hamas would potentially be to get hostages released. Arabs have only been trying to wipe Israel off the map since the country was created, but now is the time to trust in diplomacy? It would be a waste of breath, but I'd like to ask the families of hostages what they would say to a future Israeli family who had their loved one taken. Say Netanyahu releases a bunch of terrorists from Israeli prisons today to get hostages released. 5 years from now those same terrorists kidnap more Israelis and hold them hostage. Is it ok to spite Israelis in the future as long as your family member is released today? If you don't eliminate them now, this will just keep happening again and again. Would the protesters think it would have been a good idea to negotiate a peace with Nazi Germany when Allied and Soviet troops reached the German border? If not, then what is the difference to today? Israel, like the US, is under attack from within and without from a left wing deep state (including the US left wing). They saw what got Trump out of office and have been trying the same exact thing on Bibi with all the same protests and BS charges. IMHO the leftist protest of last spring lead directly to the security failure on 10/7, whether unintentional or otherwise. |
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Posted: 9/2/2024 5:21:04 PM EST
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 Institute for Study of War Backgrounder 2 September Key Takeaways Gaza A humanitarian pause continued for a second day on September 2 in the central Gaza Strip to start a mass polio vaccination campaign. The Israeli Prime Minister’s Office has emphasized that the pause is not related to the longer-term ceasefire proposal currently under discussion in Doha. The IDF continued to conduct limited military operations outside of the vaccination ceasefire zones. Palestinian militias conducted one rocket attack on Israeli forces near the Netzarim Corridor. The al Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades mortared Israeli forces east of Rafah City and fired rockets and mortars at an IDF site in southern Israel. West Bank The IDF continued raids in Jenin for the seventh consecutive day. The IDF conducted an airstrike on fighters who had thrown improvised explosive devices (IED) at Israeli forces in Jenin. The IDF thwarted a car bomb attack near an Israeli settlement north of Ramallah on September 2. The IDF identified a suspicious vehicle near Ateret settlement and destroyed “gas canisters” found in the car that were wired up to a detonator The al Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades and Hamas separately claimed two car bombings in Gush Etzion on August 30. Neither group said the attacks were coordinated. Lebanon and the Golan Heights Hezbollah conducted at least 15 attacks into northern Israel since CTP-ISW's last data cutoff on September 1. Yemen The United Kingdom Maritime Trade Operations (UKMTO) reported that two unspecified projectiles hit Panama flagged and Greek-operated Blue Lagoon I and another projectile exploded near the vessel 70 nautical miles northwest of al Saleef, Yemen. UKMTO also reported a drone attack on a commercial vessel approximately 58 nautical miles west of al Hudaydah, Yemen. Reuters reported that the second vessel that UKMTO did not specify was Saudi-flagged and owned oil tanker Amjad. Hostages In an attempt to create domestic pressure, Hamas released propaganda videos featuring six recently executed Israeli hostages on September 2 calling for a ceasefire and hostage-for-prisoner exchange. Israeli political and military leaders argued over the best path to a ceasefire-hostage deal on September 1. Defense Minister Yoav Gallant criticized the August 29 decision by Israel’s political-security cabinet to back Netanyahu’s proposal to maintain an IDF presence on the Philadelphi Corridor. Gallant reportedly argued in a private cabinet meeting that prioritizing IDF control over the Philadelphi Corridor for six weeks over securing the release of dozens of living hostages is the wrong decision and should be reversed. Israel's national workers union announced a general strike on September 2 in support of an immediate ceasefire deal and hostage-release. Israeli media reported that hundreds of thousands of Israelis demonstrated in support of a ceasefire in major Israeli cities. The Biden administration is considering submitting a new “final” ceasefire-hostage deal proposal to Israel and Hamas in the coming days. National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan and White House Coordinator for the Middle East and North Africa Brett McGurk told hostage family members on September 1 that the United States may present a new bridging proposal after mediators made significant progress on the specifics of the hostage-prisoner exchange component of the ceasefire deal over the last week of talks.    
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Posted: 9/2/2024 5:59:15 PM EST
[Last Edit: brass]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By michigan66: https://www.understandingwar.org/sites/default/files/DraftIsraelCoTSeptember2%2C2024.png Institute for Study of War Backgrounder 2 September https://www.understandingwar.org/sites/default/files/Gaza%20Clearing%20Map%20September%202%2C%202024.png https://www.understandingwar.org/sites/default/files/West%20Bank%20Battle%20Map%20September%202%2C%202024.png https://www.understandingwar.org/sites/default/files/Northern%20Israel%20Battle%20Map%20September%202%2C%202024.png https://www.understandingwar.org/sites/default/files/Houthi%20CoT%20in%20Yemen%20September%202%2C%202024.png Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By michigan66: https://www.understandingwar.org/sites/default/files/DraftIsraelCoTSeptember2%2C2024.png Institute for Study of War Backgrounder 2 September Key Takeaways Gaza A humanitarian pause continued for a second day on September 2 in the central Gaza Strip to start a mass polio vaccination campaign. The Israeli Prime Minister’s Office has emphasized that the pause is not related to the longer-term ceasefire proposal currently under discussion in Doha. The IDF continued to conduct limited military operations outside of the vaccination ceasefire zones. Palestinian militias conducted one rocket attack on Israeli forces near the Netzarim Corridor. The al Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades mortared Israeli forces east of Rafah City and fired rockets and mortars at an IDF site in southern Israel. West Bank The IDF continued raids in Jenin for the seventh consecutive day. The IDF conducted an airstrike on fighters who had thrown improvised explosive devices (IED) at Israeli forces in Jenin. The IDF thwarted a car bomb attack near an Israeli settlement north of Ramallah on September 2. The IDF identified a suspicious vehicle near Ateret settlement and destroyed “gas canisters” found in the car that were wired up to a detonator The al Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades and Hamas separately claimed two car bombings in Gush Etzion on August 30. Neither group said the attacks were coordinated. Lebanon and the Golan Heights Hezbollah conducted at least 15 attacks into northern Israel since CTP-ISW's last data cutoff on September 1. Yemen The United Kingdom Maritime Trade Operations (UKMTO) reported that two unspecified projectiles hit Panama flagged and Greek-operated Blue Lagoon I and another projectile exploded near the vessel 70 nautical miles northwest of al Saleef, Yemen. UKMTO also reported a drone attack on a commercial vessel approximately 58 nautical miles west of al Hudaydah, Yemen. Reuters reported that the second vessel that UKMTO did not specify was Saudi-flagged and owned oil tanker Amjad. Hostages In an attempt to create domestic pressure, Hamas released propaganda videos featuring six recently executed Israeli hostages on September 2 calling for a ceasefire and hostage-for-prisoner exchange. Israeli political and military leaders argued over the best path to a ceasefire-hostage deal on September 1. Defense Minister Yoav Gallant criticized the August 29 decision by Israel’s political-security cabinet to back Netanyahu’s proposal to maintain an IDF presence on the Philadelphi Corridor. Gallant reportedly argued in a private cabinet meeting that prioritizing IDF control over the Philadelphi Corridor for six weeks over securing the release of dozens of living hostages is the wrong decision and should be reversed. Israel's national workers union announced a general strike on September 2 in support of an immediate ceasefire deal and hostage-release. Israeli media reported that hundreds of thousands of Israelis demonstrated in support of a ceasefire in major Israeli cities. The Biden administration is considering submitting a new “final” ceasefire-hostage deal proposal to Israel and Hamas in the coming days. National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan and White House Coordinator for the Middle East and North Africa Brett McGurk told hostage family members on September 1 that the United States may present a new bridging proposal after mediators made significant progress on the specifics of the hostage-prisoner exchange component of the ceasefire deal over the last week of talks. https://www.understandingwar.org/sites/default/files/Gaza%20Clearing%20Map%20September%202%2C%202024.png https://www.understandingwar.org/sites/default/files/West%20Bank%20Battle%20Map%20September%202%2C%202024.png https://www.understandingwar.org/sites/default/files/Northern%20Israel%20Battle%20Map%20September%202%2C%202024.png https://www.understandingwar.org/sites/default/files/Houthi%20CoT%20in%20Yemen%20September%202%2C%202024.png Why is Biden foolish enough to want a ceasefire after they've attacked and ended with a ceasefire agreement, only to re-tunnel and re-arm and attack Israel again? It will just be another decade and a new Gaza attack and the same story over and over. They need to end it, wiping Gaza off the map and making Hamas refugees would be a good start, send them to Ukraine or some other palate that wants people that fight. |
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Posted: 9/2/2024 8:06:44 PM EST
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About to go wheels up headed that way. :)
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Posted: 9/2/2024 8:47:09 PM EST
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just nuke the entire place and then ask for forgiveness after the fact.
they won't be trying that crap again I can guarantee it. |
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Posted: 9/2/2024 9:55:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TigerinFL: just nuke the entire place and then ask for forgiveness after the fact. they won't be trying that crap again I can guarantee it. We've brought it on ourselves with the abolition of Total War. The gentleman's rules not to attack civilians should be nullified when they're intentionally pretending to be civilians and using others as human shields, including children. That is the lever the terrorist have against the majority, same with the soft hearts in the US vs inner city violence and not 'profiling' to keep arrest rates equal by race. |
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Posted: 9/2/2024 10:10:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brass: Why is Biden foolish enough to want a ceasefire after they've attacked and ended with a ceasefire agreement, only to re-tunnel and re-arm and attack Israel again? It will just be another decade and a new Gaza attack and the same story over and over. They need to end it, wiping Gaza off the map and making Hamas refugees would be a good start, send them to Ukraine or some other palate that wants people that fight. First, he’s being told what to say. Second, there are zero negative consequences when Hamas rearms and kills unarmed civilians again. These people love everyone and everything evil. |
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Posted: 9/2/2024 11:23:09 PM EST
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Israel Asks Russia to Help Facilitate Gaza Hostage Deal
Israel has sent officials to Moscow to seek the Kremlin’s assistance in facilitating the Gaza hostage deal as ongoing efforts involving the West have shown little progress. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had sent his military aide to Moscow to seek assistance from the Kremlin in facilitating a deal to free hostages held by Hamas. “During the conversation, it was revealed that the Prime Minister’s Military Secretary, Maj.-Gen. Roman Gofman returned this morning from a visit to Moscow, the goal of which was to advance the hostages deal and during which he discussed Alexander Lobanov and the other hostages,” reads an official statement on social media published on Sept. https://www.kyivpost.com/post/38331 |
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Posted: 9/3/2024 6:13:13 AM EST
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A kilometre-long Hamas tunnel in the northern Gaza Strip, which featured a track for logistic transportation, was recently demolished by combat engineers, the IDF says. The military says it had prior intelligence on the tunnel, located in northern Gaza's Beit Lahiya, and it in recent weeks it was uncovered and destroyed by the Gaza Division's combat engineers and the elite Yahalom unit. The tunnel was more than a kilometre long, and inside troops found weapons, electrical infrastructure, and a track used to transport equipment.
A Hamas Nukhba force company commander, who led the invasion of Netiv Haasara on October 7, was killed in a recent airstrike in the Gaza Strip, the military and Shin Bet confirm. Ahmed Fawzi Nasser Muhammad Wadiyya was among eight Hamas terrorists killed in an airstrike on a compound used by the terror group near Gaza City's al-Ahli hospital, the IDF says. The military says that Wadiyya was the commander of a Nukhba force company in the terror group's Daraj-Tuffah Battalion. On October 7, he raided Netiv Haasara using a paraglider, and oversaw the massacre there. Wadiyya was the terrorist who drank cola in the Taasa family home, in front of the children of Gil Taasa who was murdered in the onslaught. The other seven terrorists killed in the Gaza City strike were also members of the Daraj-Tuffah Battalion, according to the IDF. The IDF says that one was involved in supplying the bombs used by the terror group to breach the Gaza security barrier on October 7. The strike took place outside the hospital, and the military says it to various steps to mitigate harm to civilians.
The #IDF's preemptive strike against #Hezbollah on August 25 was not only aimed at disrupting Hezbollah's planned retaliation for The elimination of Shukr. #Israel intended this preemptive strike to serve as a demonstration of force, sending a clear message to Hezbollah: it is not in your best interest to engage in a full-scale war with Israel. In our understanding, in Hezbollah's view, in the long term, a full-scale war will serve it even though it will harm it in the short term.  Attached File
During the past week, 48 attacks were carried out on the northern border. Despite #Hezbollah's retaliatory strike on August 25 due to Fuad Shakar's elimination (July 30), the number of rocket fires at non-evacuated communities this month (45) was fewer than in July (51). The #IDF's preemptive maneuver on August 25 effectively thwarted Hezbollah's intended retaliation assault.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/3/2024 2:39:07 PM EST
[Last Edit: Cobradriver]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brass: Why is Biden foolish enough to want a ceasefire after they've attacked and ended with a ceasefire agreement, only to re-tunnel and re-arm and attack Israel again? It will just be another decade and a new Gaza attack and the same story over and over. They need to end it, wiping Gaza off the map and making Hamas refugees would be a good start, send them to Ukraine or some other palate that wants people that fight. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brass: Originally Posted By michigan66: https://www.understandingwar.org/sites/default/files/DraftIsraelCoTSeptember2%2C2024.png Institute for Study of War Backgrounder 2 September Key Takeaways Gaza A humanitarian pause continued for a second day on September 2 in the central Gaza Strip to start a mass polio vaccination campaign. The Israeli Prime Minister’s Office has emphasized that the pause is not related to the longer-term ceasefire proposal currently under discussion in Doha. The IDF continued to conduct limited military operations outside of the vaccination ceasefire zones. Palestinian militias conducted one rocket attack on Israeli forces near the Netzarim Corridor. The al Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades mortared Israeli forces east of Rafah City and fired rockets and mortars at an IDF site in southern Israel. West Bank The IDF continued raids in Jenin for the seventh consecutive day. The IDF conducted an airstrike on fighters who had thrown improvised explosive devices (IED) at Israeli forces in Jenin. The IDF thwarted a car bomb attack near an Israeli settlement north of Ramallah on September 2. The IDF identified a suspicious vehicle near Ateret settlement and destroyed “gas canisters” found in the car that were wired up to a detonator The al Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades and Hamas separately claimed two car bombings in Gush Etzion on August 30. Neither group said the attacks were coordinated. Lebanon and the Golan Heights Hezbollah conducted at least 15 attacks into northern Israel since CTP-ISW's last data cutoff on September 1. Yemen The United Kingdom Maritime Trade Operations (UKMTO) reported that two unspecified projectiles hit Panama flagged and Greek-operated Blue Lagoon I and another projectile exploded near the vessel 70 nautical miles northwest of al Saleef, Yemen. UKMTO also reported a drone attack on a commercial vessel approximately 58 nautical miles west of al Hudaydah, Yemen. Reuters reported that the second vessel that UKMTO did not specify was Saudi-flagged and owned oil tanker Amjad. Hostages In an attempt to create domestic pressure, Hamas released propaganda videos featuring six recently executed Israeli hostages on September 2 calling for a ceasefire and hostage-for-prisoner exchange. Israeli political and military leaders argued over the best path to a ceasefire-hostage deal on September 1. Defense Minister Yoav Gallant criticized the August 29 decision by Israel’s political-security cabinet to back Netanyahu’s proposal to maintain an IDF presence on the Philadelphi Corridor. Gallant reportedly argued in a private cabinet meeting that prioritizing IDF control over the Philadelphi Corridor for six weeks over securing the release of dozens of living hostages is the wrong decision and should be reversed. Israel's national workers union announced a general strike on September 2 in support of an immediate ceasefire deal and hostage-release. Israeli media reported that hundreds of thousands of Israelis demonstrated in support of a ceasefire in major Israeli cities. The Biden administration is considering submitting a new “final” ceasefire-hostage deal proposal to Israel and Hamas in the coming days. National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan and White House Coordinator for the Middle East and North Africa Brett McGurk told hostage family members on September 1 that the United States may present a new bridging proposal after mediators made significant progress on the specifics of the hostage-prisoner exchange component of the ceasefire deal over the last week of talks. https://www.understandingwar.org/sites/default/files/Gaza%20Clearing%20Map%20September%202%2C%202024.png https://www.understandingwar.org/sites/default/files/West%20Bank%20Battle%20Map%20September%202%2C%202024.png https://www.understandingwar.org/sites/default/files/Northern%20Israel%20Battle%20Map%20September%202%2C%202024.png https://www.understandingwar.org/sites/default/files/Houthi%20CoT%20in%20Yemen%20September%202%2C%202024.png Why is Biden foolish enough to want a ceasefire after they've attacked and ended with a ceasefire agreement, only to re-tunnel and re-arm and attack Israel again? It will just be another decade and a new Gaza attack and the same story over and over. They need to end it, wiping Gaza off the map and making Hamas refugees would be a good start, send them to Ukraine or some other palate that wants people that fight. I firmly believe that Israel needs to maintain control of the border with Egypt when this is all said and done. That alone will drastically slow down the smuggling of arms. Over time you can squeeze hamass enough that their weapons supply slowly diminishes. Plus it'll kill most of the smuggling income. |
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Posted: 9/3/2024 3:01:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cobradriver: I firmly believe that Israel needs to maintain control of the border with Egypt when this is all said and done. That alone will drastically slow down the smuggling of arms. Over time you can squeeze hamass enough that their weapons supply slowly diminishes. Plus it'll kill most of the smuggling income. Agree, and Netanyahu does too. Some in the IDF seem to be content with "virtual control" using drones, sensors, etc. You'd think they would have learned their lesson, but I guess not. |
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Posted: 9/3/2024 3:43:24 PM EST
[Last Edit: michigan66]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By neshomamench:About to go wheels up headed that way. :) Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By neshomamench:About to go wheels up headed that way. :) Good luck. 
IDF commandos killed two Palestinian gunmen during a raid near the West Bank city of Tulkarem a short while ago, a military source says. Troops of the Duvdevan Commando Unit surrounded a building in the Tulkarem suburb of Danaba where the gunmen were holed up. The Palestinians opened fire at the commandos, who returned fire, killing the pair. M16 rifles were recovered from their bodies, the IDF source says. No soldiers are hurt in the incident. The Palestinian Authority health ministry names the pair as Rami Abbas and Nour Zait. The ministry says it was informed of their deaths from the PA's General Authority of Civil Affairs, indicating that their bodies are being held by Israeli authorities. The PA health minstry also says a 16-year-old girl was killed by Israeli fire in Kafr Dan, near Jenin, earlier today. The IDF has not yet commented.
Several anti-tank missiles were launched from Lebanon at the border community of Arab al-Aramshe a short while ago, the IDF says. There are no injuries in the attack. Separately, the IDF says it carried out an airstrike against a building in southern Lebanon's Markaba where a group of Hezbollah operatives were identified. Fighter jets struck another Hezbollah site in Rihan, the IDF adds.
A suspected drone launched from Lebanon was shot down by air defenses over the Western Galilee about half an hour ago, the IDF says. Sirens had sounded in Hanita and Arab al-Aramshe amid the incident. There are no injuries. Meanwhile, the IDF says an explosive-laden drone from Lebanon impacted an open area near Manara a short while ago, sparking a fire. There are no injuries in the attack, and firefighters are working to extinguish the blaze. 3,000 operatives': Hamas regains capabilities in northern Gaza - report. Link to JPost article. Hamas has managed to regain some of its capabilities in the northern Gaza Strip, according to a Monday Channel 12 report, citing a security source. The report specified that Hamas had enlisted some 3,000 new operatives into its ranks in that area of Gaza. Additionally, the terror group provided them with weapons, ammunition, and payment for carrying out terrorist activities. Situation in northern Gaza According to the Channel 12 report, while some forces remain in the area, the absence of large troop deployments has allowed Hamas to operate more freely in northern Gaza. At the beginning of the Israel-Hamas War, the IDF invaded northern Gaza, destroying much of the Hamas infrastructure there. In mid-July, the IDF ended a reinvasion of northern Gaza to concentrate on the central Gaza Strip.
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Entire article mentioned in post Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu laid out plans on Monday to keep control of the Philadelphi corridor along the Egyptian border: The corridor is important to make sure that Hamas cannot return as a threat. He also made bold claims about how Israel wouldn’t leave the area for many years to come, and that, “anyone who wants us to leave the Philadelphi Corridor undermines the war’s objectives; did our soldiers fall in vain, only for us to let Hamas rebuild?” The Philadelphi corridor has always been important for Hamas, which has demanded that Israel leave it for a reason. Hamas wants to return to control the Rafah border crossing with Egypt, which is key to the overland route supplying Gaza in the past. Through this border, it controls Gaza by making the civilians dependent on Hamas. The UN and international organizations have often partnered with Hamas in various ways because it controls the border. For instance, some NGOs have allowed Hamas to place gunmen on aid trucks. The challenge for Israel, now that the political leadership has decided that the Philadelphi corridor is essential for security, is figuring out how exactly to secure it. Israel has been shifting its goals in this war since October 7. In the beginning, the political leadership appeared to claim that “there won’t be Hamas in Gaza” after the war. Yet it quickly became clear that the IDF would not be utilized to replace Hamas with another entity. Israel instead conducted raids into areas and then withdrew. In late October, the IDF captured the Netzarim corridor, separating Gaza City from central Gaza. Since then, the IDF carved out a route across Gaza and has used various divisions to secure it. Troops removed threats and created a zone of control that it could police. Beginning in February and March, politicians began to claim that Israel would also take over Rafah – which the international community opposed. Israel chose not to go into the corridor along the Egyptian border, despite suggestions by some experts in Israel that this should have been an early focus. Instead, Hamas controlled it for the first six months of the war. Only in May, after Hamas fired projectiles at Kerem Shalom, did the IDF surge into the Philadelphi corridor. It then took more than three months to defeat the Rafah brigade, the remnants of which likely moved back to Khan Yunis after the IDF withdrew in April. This has let Hamas control most of Gaza, despite ten months of war – the central camps, areas in northern Gaza, most of Khan Yunis, and the Mawasi humanitarian area. Israel’s policy now appears to be shifting toward controlling the Netzarim and Philadelphi corridors. Controlling corridors presents challenges. Hamas has controlled Gaza for more than a decade, laying out terror infrastructure including hundreds of miles of tunnels, rockets, RPGs, and improvised explosive devices. Now, the IDF has many advantages in Gaza: a plethora of technology – drones and electro-optical cameras that use all sorts of technology that can help spot terrorists; Israeli military and defense tech increasingly also uses artificial intelligence; and Israel also has drones and precision mortars. It has all sorts of ways to secure its forces in Gaza. Nevertheless, history tells us that securing a static defensive line is not easy. SECURING A LINE is difficult. Long walls, like those used by Byzantium or Athens, grow vulnerable over time. In addition, even if Israel is not inclined to build a lot of infrastructure in the Philadelphi corridor, securing a border is complex. Israel could choose to use remote-controlled vehicles and put sensors above and below ground. However, those types of sensors largely failed to prevent October 7, meaning they are vulnerable. Long term goals So what will be the goal of securing the Philadelphi corridor in the long term? Will it be to stop underground smuggling, or to deal with the overland trade of dual-use goods that Hamas uses to build tunnels? In order to understand what needs to be done, it is essential to understand how Hamas turned Gaza into a terror empire. If the war does wind down and reconstruction begins how will Israel prevent aid being diverted to Hamas? This is more complex than just having Humvees patrolling the Philadelphi corridor. More concerning is that Israel has sent forces into the corridor before, during the Second Intifada. Hamas has learned in the past that small daily attacks can grind down Israel in a war of attrition. Israel learned this in the security zone in southern Lebanon in the 1990s and it eventually caused its withdrawal. At the end of the day, an army that is sent to secure a border is often not the best way to secure it; soldiers become complacent. Consider the results on the Jordanian border: The Iranians have begun to find ways to smuggle weapons to terrorists in the West Bank, including M-4 and AR-type rifles, numbering in the hundreds of thousands. How can Israel control Philadelphi if it can’t control Jenin? The fact is that Israel’s experience securing the border with Sinai, against drug smuggling for instance, and securing the border with Jordan or the West Bank, leaves much to be desired. Unless the units sent to the Philadelphi corridor are different and the focus learns from challenges on other borders, it’s plausible that this will be a difficult long-term mission. In addition, Hamas and other terror groups have already begun harassing attacks on the IDF. Hamas thrives off these attacks. Each video it can produce of a sniper shooting or an RPG fired at an IDF vehicle is propaganda. Even when Hamas has attacked vehicles where the active protection system works and stops the projectile, Hamas still claims a “hit.” All Hamas has to do is sit and wait. An enemy like Hamas has done this before. Its senior leadership such as Yahya Sinwar is from Khan Yunis. They know how to sit and wait. Then they choose the time and place of their attack on opportune targets. These challenges are not reasons to give up on Philadelphi. However, these challenges must be analyzed and acknowledged. The lesson of the Jordan Valley is an instruction. Israel has communities in the Jordan Valley and the Kingdom of Jordan is a western-backed country that ostensibly is at peace with Israel. However, the smuggling to the terror groups in the West Bank continues. As Philadelphi looms, those sent to patrol it will need to learn lessons from what has worked and not worked in the past. |
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Posted: 9/3/2024 4:25:36 PM EST
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Hamas chief Sinwar reportedly surrounded by hostages in Gaza tunnel
 Hamas chief Sinwar reportedly surrounded by hostages in Gaza tunnel |
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Posted: 9/3/2024 4:25:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cranberry1: Where does Hamas get all of the M4 ‘s from I don’t see any AK’s hardly anymore. Thousands left in Afghanistan when we left. Thousands. |
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Posted: 9/3/2024 4:39:19 PM EST
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Besides Sinwar, “Other Hamas leaders charged include Haniyeh; Marwan Issa, the deputy leader of Hamas’ armed wing in Gaza who helped plan last year’s attack; Khaled Mashaal, another Haniyeh deputy and a former leader of the group; Mohammed al-Masri and Ali Baraka.” Issa and Haniyeh are gone. And Mohammed al-Masri is Deif and he’s gone as well. Sinwar, Baraka, and Mashaal remain at large. Mashaal recently gave a speech to a conference in Istanbul, a “NATO ally” and resides in Doha, a “major non-NATO ally”…. Baraka is in Beirut |
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