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Posted: 10/19/2022 4:24:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Hesperus]
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This feels like it belongs in this thread.
  Alex Jones explains Dune |
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Posted: 10/20/2022 10:50:52 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/20/2022 12:06:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AJE: Those things are light years long. The little spikes sticking off of the pillars are bigger than our solar system. That answers my question. Bit makes e wonder: How many such things are out there in our galaxy? How common are they? How close are the other ones? What does a night sky look like there? Are we in one of those clouds too? |
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Posted: 10/20/2022 11:25:38 PM EDT
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Are those all stars in our own galaxy? I know the pillars are in our galaxy, but are all the stars in the image also?
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Posted: 10/20/2022 11:31:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArGyLe64: Yeah, I understand that but I was hoping to see more change than that after all this time. The universe is just way too big (that's a good thing though). It's not even a blink of they eye in the scale that we're seeing here. That thing will look more or less the same a million years from now. Those are *stars* that formation is spitting out. Our brains literally can't visualize or imagine how large it is. |
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Posted: 10/20/2022 11:42:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brass: I think the way I'd describe it would be "A roundish set of shape made from hexagons, with little bits in front of and behind it." Though I haven't seen the stamps, that's the sort of image try slap on every article related. Probably easier for some to visualize it as a satellite TV dish antenna on top a camper. They don't really need to know about the layers of insulating blankets or laptop film, whatever. Except the dish antenna are polished metal mirrors |
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Posted: 10/21/2022 8:19:51 AM EDT
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holy shit the universe is unfathomably huge
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Posted: 10/21/2022 7:39:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By midcap: holy shit the universe is unfathomably huge That get you all hot and bothered? |
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Posted: 10/21/2022 8:54:31 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/21/2022 9:05:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoseCuervo: https://wp-assets.futurism.com/2022/10/nasas-james-webb-googly-eyes.jpg Reminds me of these things. 
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Posted: 10/22/2022 5:16:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Faw7LnzXgAAwg_u?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Faw7Me4WAAMN1fE?format=jpg&name=large This is an incredible image of Jupiter. All of these are. I want to hang them in my house. I swear my wife is going to think I'm nuts. |
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Posted: 10/22/2022 11:31:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NwG: That get you all hot and bothered? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NwG: Originally Posted By midcap: holy shit the universe is unfathomably huge That get you all hot and bothered? I look up into the sky on a clear night, and like my brain just can't comprehend it |
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Posted: 10/22/2022 2:40:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Ubaddog]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By midcap: I look up into the sky on a clear night, and like my brain just can't comprehend it Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By midcap: Originally Posted By NwG: Originally Posted By midcap: holy shit the universe is unfathomably huge That get you all hot and bothered? I look up into the sky on a clear night, and like my brain just can't comprehend it  Attached FileTHICC |
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Posted: 10/25/2022 10:14:06 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/28/2022 1:09:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/28/2022 5:06:33 PM EDT
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We are so unbelievably small and insignificant.
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Posted: 10/29/2022 1:44:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: brass]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FgKXalFWIAIdI-6?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FgKXcgQXgAMCKLB?format=jpg&name=large Just going between those two images is looking back hundreds/thousands of years. There's a cool video halfway down the page for them on Wiki that shows how they're aligned in 3D which is worth a watch. Linky For Pillars web page Direct link for the .webm media file showing 3D stacking from our Point of View |
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Posted: 11/15/2022 11:52:39 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/15/2022 4:05:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
so is webb ok? |
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Posted: 11/16/2022 12:28:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By midcap: so is webb ok? Wouldn't seem to be all that rare if it got hit by one within its first few months. I haven't seen anything recently about troubles with sticky wheels or bearings. Any updates on that? |
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Posted: 11/19/2022 4:48:49 PM EDT
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More new discoveries that surprise astronomers, don't fit current theories very well.
In what James Webb Space Telescope researchers call a "whole new chapter in astronomy," the observatory has helped to locate two early galaxies, one of which may contain the most distant starlight ever seen. In a tweet, the international team said the unexpectedly bright galaxies could fundamentally alter what is known about the very first stars. "With Webb, we were amazed to find the most distant starlight that anyone had ever seen, just days after Webb released its first data," Rohan Naidu, of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, told NASA of the more distant GLASS galaxy – referred to as GLASS-z12 – which is believed to date back to 350 million years after the big bang. "While the distances of these early sources still need to be confirmed with spectroscopy, their extreme brightnesses are a real puzzle, challenging our understanding of galaxy formation," the University of Geneva's Pascal Oesch said. https://www.foxnews.com/science/james-webb-space-telescope-researchers-uncover-early-galaxies-new-chapter-astronomy |
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Posted: 11/30/2022 3:52:18 PM EDT
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$10 Billion Webb Telescope Has Been Struck 14 Times By Space Rocks, Says NASA
When NASA sent the James Webb Space Telescope (JWST) a million miles from Earth last Christmas Day it did so with one major worry—micrometeoroids. These tiny particles of space dust have, predictably, already struck the $10 billion space telescope’s 18 beryllium-gold segments, causing irreparable damage not just once, but 14 times, NASA has revealed in a blog. “We have experienced 14 measurable micrometeoroid hits on our primary mirror, and are averaging one to two per month, as anticipated,” said Mike Menzel, Webb lead mission systems engineer at NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland. “The resulting optical errors from all but one of these were well within what we had budgeted and expected when building the observatory.” The outlier happened in May, when a micrometeoroid struck one of the beryllium-gold segments that makes up JWST’s main 6.5-meter mirror. Classed as as “unavoidable chance event,” it knocked the telescope slightly out of alignment. Engineers were able to adjust its 18 mirrors to correct for the damaged segment. Space is a dangerous place to operate, with constant threats including cosmic rays from the Universe at large, harsh ultraviolet light and charged particles from the Sun, and micrometeoroids traveling at extreme velocities. However, JWST’s engineers are already taking evasive action to reduce the chance of the precious space telescope from being damaged further. A working group at NASA concluded that strike in May 2022 was a rare statistical event, but the massive space telescope will hence be faced away from what is now known as the “micrometeoroid avoidance zone.” That means minimizing the time it spends looking in the direction of orbital motion, which statistically has more micrometeoroids moving at much higher velocities. A particularly risky period is a meteor shower, which are caused by the particles left in the inner solar system by casing comes. It’s a scenario that could become a live issue particularly in both May 2023 and again in May 2024 when Webb travels through Halley’s comet’s stream of meteoroids. “Micrometeoroids that strike the mirror head on (moving opposite the direction the telescope is moving) have twice the relative velocity and four times the kinetic energy, so avoiding this direction when feasible will help extend the exquisite optical performance for decades,” said Lee Feinberg, Webb optical telescope element manager at NASA Goddard. The upshot is a reshuffling of JWST’s schedule, with objects observed when it’s safest to do so rather than in order of scientific urgency. An exception to the will be solar system targets, which are far more time-sensitive. Webb—a $10 billion space telescope that sees in the infrared part of the spectrum—launched on Christmas Day in 2021 and has since February been orbiting the L2 point about a million miles/1.6 million kilometres from Earth. |
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Posted: 12/2/2022 10:19:22 PM EDT
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 JWST discovered PHOTOCHEMISTRY in an exoplanet's atmosphere (this is a BIG deal) ft. Dr. Jake Taylor Adorably energetic astrophysicist chick reporting that JWST has found evidence of photochemistry in exoplanet WASP-39b’s atmosphere: Using three of its instruments, the JWST was able to observe light from the planet’s star as it filtered through WASP-39b’s atmosphere, a process known as transmission spectroscopy. This allowed a team of more than 300 astronomers to detect water, carbon monoxide, sodium, potassium and more in the planet’s atmosphere, in addition to the carbon dioxide. The gives the planet a similar composition to Saturn’s, although it has no detectable rings. The team was also surprised to detect sulfur dioxide, which had appeared as a mysterious bump in early observation data. Its presence suggests that a photochemical reaction is taking place in the atmosphere as light from the star hits it, similarly to how the Sun produces ozone in Earth’s atmosphere. In WASP-39b’s case, light from its star, which is slightly smaller than the Sun, splits water in its atmosphere into hydrogen and hydroxide, which reacts with hydrogen sulfide to produce sulfur dioxide. “These spectra are just exquisite in their detail, and reveal an additional way that the star affects the planet’s atmospheric composition, through photochemistry,” says Victoria Meadows, an astronomer at the University of Washington in Seattle. “Photochemistry, because it is such an important process here on Earth, is probably an important process on other potentially habitable planets,” says Jacob Bean, an astronomer at the University of Chicago in Illinois and the observation team’s co-leader. Until now, “we’ve only been able to test our understanding of photochemistry in our Solar System. But planets around other stars give us access to completely different physical conditions.” https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-03820-3 |
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Posted: 12/3/2022 12:28:15 AM EDT
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There were a lot of cost overruns with JWST, and in the end, it cost $10-billion over 17 years.
Sounds expensive, but really, that's pretty cheap compared to the money we're throwing at things like Ukraine right now. We should have built 5 of the damn things and launched them all up at once. |
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Posted: 12/3/2022 1:33:25 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/3/2022 6:49:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SparticleBrane: Twitter bot that announces what JWST is observing, in realtime That's pretty cool. Would be neat if it replied to them with the data/image once complete and filtered/rendered/interpreted which would be a few months after the observation. |
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Posted: 12/4/2022 11:48:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SparticleBrane: There were a lot of cost overruns with JWST, and in the end, it cost $10-billion over 17 years. Sounds expensive, but really, that's pretty cheap compared to the money we're throwing at things like Ukraine right now. We should have built 5 of the damn things and launched them all up at once. Yeah, but they’re also getting twice as much mission time than they expected (twenty years vs ten years) out of the thing because of how well the orbital insertion maneuver went. We’re definitely getting our money’s worth out of this thing |
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Posted: 12/4/2022 12:23:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Laserjock]
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1 of the cable arrays part of the assembly the tiny company I was with as a laserjock worked on. We engraved our names on and "added lightness" you can say
Maybe some sexy green alien - female - will see my name up in space and ummm try to make contact if you know what I mean . . .  |
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Posted: 12/4/2022 12:24:21 PM EDT
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Webb is representative of the NASA way of doing things. That way of doing things can be impressive but I believe that we are going to see some pretty dramatic changes soon with launch costs finally trending downward.
 JWST's successor: The Carl Sagan Observatory - a 12 METRE optical telescope searching for exo-Earth It would be interesting if the Carl Sagan Instrument is launched, but I don't expect it to be. With the new generation of launch vehicles on the drawing board I anticipate there will be changes to the design of future space telescopes. Instruments built to be a bit more rugged as opposed to having to shave every single possible gram of weight. |
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Posted: 1/21/2023 12:00:34 AM EDT
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any new pics ?
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Posted: 1/21/2023 4:01:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hesperus: Webb is representative of the NASA way of doing things. That way of doing things can be impressive but I believe that we are going to see some pretty dramatic changes soon with launch costs finally trending downward.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIgQpXObjFIIt would be interesting if the Carl Sagan Instrument is launched, but I don't expect it to be. With the new generation of launch vehicles on the drawing board I anticipate there will be changes to the design of future space telescopes. Instruments built to be a bit more rugged as opposed to having to shave every single possible gram of weight. Even if they make it more rugged, they'll shave every excess gram of weight possible. They'll be using less than ideal mirror surfaces now that the density/frequency of micro-meteors is known (if that is their reason and not blotting out something they don't want us to see  )I'm not so sure we'll learn more, though we've already learned that what was thought as 'known science' isn't correct since looking back so far (through time), they see more and more galaxies rather than the void before "big bang". They haven't really dumped any new images of their super deep looking images have captured, other than the first one that says "this is supposed to be empty space right after Big Bang, but it is full of galaxies" so they're scratching their heads. |
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Posted: 1/22/2023 2:02:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brass: Even if they make it more rugged, they'll shave every excess gram of weight possible. They'll be using less than ideal mirror surfaces now that the density/frequency of micro-meteors is known (if that is their reason and not blotting out something they don't want us to see )I'm not so sure we'll learn more, though we've already learned that what was thought as 'known science' isn't correct since looking back so far (through time), they see more and more galaxies rather than the void before "big bang". They haven't really dumped any new images of their super deep looking images have captured, other than the first one that says "this is supposed to be empty space right after Big Bang, but it is full of galaxies" so they're scratching their heads. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brass: Originally Posted By Hesperus: Webb is representative of the NASA way of doing things. That way of doing things can be impressive but I believe that we are going to see some pretty dramatic changes soon with launch costs finally trending downward. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIgQpXObjFIIt would be interesting if the Carl Sagan Instrument is launched, but I don't expect it to be. With the new generation of launch vehicles on the drawing board I anticipate there will be changes to the design of future space telescopes. Instruments built to be a bit more rugged as opposed to having to shave every single possible gram of weight. Even if they make it more rugged, they'll shave every excess gram of weight possible. They'll be using less than ideal mirror surfaces now that the density/frequency of micro-meteors is known (if that is their reason and not blotting out something they don't want us to see )I'm not so sure we'll learn more, though we've already learned that what was thought as 'known science' isn't correct since looking back so far (through time), they see more and more galaxies rather than the void before "big bang". They haven't really dumped any new images of their super deep looking images have captured, other than the first one that says "this is supposed to be empty space right after Big Bang, but it is full of galaxies" so they're scratching their heads. Exactly! once I saw the Hubble deep field images after they were published, I had a strong feeling that if they ever built a telescope that could see much further, that this would be the case. I'm curious how they will change their interpretations based on all this new data. |
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Posted: 1/22/2023 2:11:17 PM EDT
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We contemplate eternity
Beneath the vast indifference of heaven -Warren Zevon 
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Posted: 1/22/2023 2:16:39 PM EDT
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While I think they were trying to be "book smart" using a Lagrange Point for the telescope, I think they are finding that it is a garbage collection point more suited for a hardened space station which sucks. I hope that their "aim it at nothing solution" works, but I think that will only help somewhat and it will have a much shorter life than planned
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Posted: 1/22/2023 3:00:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SparticleBrane: There were a lot of cost overruns with JWST, and in the end, it cost $10-billion over 17 years. Sounds expensive, but really, that's pretty cheap compared to the money we're throwing at things like Ukraine right now. We should have built 5 of the damn things and launched them all up at once. Our country has never been shy about throwing stupid money at war and death. This project represents the end of OLD commie style projects and we are shifting toward getting more bang for our buck, science wise. These will become cheaper and more plentiful now that our space market has shifted closer to capitalism. |
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Posted: 2/26/2023 1:40:30 PM EDT
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Bump
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Posted: 2/26/2023 4:21:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: brass]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mickdog13: Our country has never been shy about throwing stupid money at war and death. This project represents the end of OLD commie style projects and we are shifting toward getting more bang for our buck, science wise. These will become cheaper and more plentiful now that our space market has shifted closer to capitalism. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mickdog13: Originally Posted By SparticleBrane: There were a lot of cost overruns with JWST, and in the end, it cost $10-billion over 17 years. Sounds expensive, but really, that's pretty cheap compared to the money we're throwing at things like Ukraine right now. We should have built 5 of the damn things and launched them all up at once. Our country has never been shy about throwing stupid money at war and death. This project represents the end of OLD commie style projects and we are shifting toward getting more bang for our buck, science wise. These will become cheaper and more plentiful now that our space market has shifted closer to capitalism. Would be neat to get 6 more up there to form a sparse array telescope the size of Inner Solar System. That's essentially what they used to get the clear image of the black hole a couple years back. Observatories from UK to Antarctica and Australia making a telescope with the effective aperture as one near the diameter of Earth. I don't know where though. L2 is small and crowded relatively and the others get more traffic from space junk and radiation (and in sunlight). Maybe Sun-Venus L2? Mars doesn't have a magnetic field anymore so not much of a shield there.  Here's a map of what telescopes were used to make the Sparse Array Telescope (via computer processing) that effectively had an aperture near the Earth diameter, brought us the clearest image of a black hole yet:  The Black Hole Image (just for completeness, if anybody doesn't remember): 
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Posted: 2/26/2023 4:41:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4q2: any new pics ?
  
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Posted: 2/26/2023 4:57:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: brass]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rudukai13:
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/414849/7D2D1F94-705D-4DC0-A9D9-EEBCF887A01C-2726457.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/414849/BA36B274-3564-4778-9DBB-4C91647C3A86-2726458.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/414849/A6801C1E-D9CE-405A-825D-0B16664E35B9-2726459.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rudukai13: Originally Posted By 4q2: any new pics ?
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/414849/7D2D1F94-705D-4DC0-A9D9-EEBCF887A01C-2726457.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/414849/BA36B274-3564-4778-9DBB-4C91647C3A86-2726458.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/414849/A6801C1E-D9CE-405A-825D-0B16664E35B9-2726459.jpg I am interested in what property there is on such a huge scale that makes the "filaments" between major stars to be "filaments" in lighter and denser bands. Like waves around water spiraling down a drain, but I'm not sure if gravity "piles up" to make waves of higher and lower intensity at that scale. Maybe that's why they're studying spiral galaxies. Really pretty to look at and only a guess at the mechanisms but thousands and tens of thousands of light years between the edges is a mind numbing scale to try and compare anything we have relation to, Earth would just be another pixel in one of those dust strands with how small we are and how huge these galaxies are. |
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Posted: 2/26/2023 5:21:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FgKXalFWIAIdI-6?format=jpg&name=large
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Posted: 2/26/2023 5:44:59 PM EDT
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while all of this is amazing, the absolute mind bending largeness of it all. I have had discussions that we are all in our own place.
relatively speaking we cannot be at the absolute same space from each other. if you and i are having a conversation, each at 3 feet apart, and another hears that conversation at 3 feet 6 inches, for all involved it happened at ethe same time, but person 3 is behind. |
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Posted: 2/27/2023 11:17:39 AM EDT
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Large, mature galaxies discovered at the edge of the universe. Scientists in shock. Science NOT settled! REAL science is NEVER settled
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Posted: 3/14/2023 3:25:00 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/14/2023 3:30:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Red_Label: Large, mature galaxies discovered at the edge of the universe. Scientists in shock. Science NOT settled! REAL science is NEVER settled Story Sounds like that date for the age of the universe just got tossed out the window |
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Posted: 3/14/2023 3:35:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R_S: Sounds like that date for the age of the universe just got tossed out the window Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R_S: Originally Posted By Red_Label: Large, mature galaxies discovered at the edge of the universe. Scientists in shock. Science NOT settled! REAL science is NEVER settled Story Sounds like that date for the age of the universe just got tossed out the window Saw a video from Michio Kaku yesterday and he pretty much said, "Yeah, textbooks will have to be rewritten now." ...but that's nothing new. |
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Posted: 3/14/2023 3:43:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By klinc: Saw a video from Michio Kaku yesterday and he pretty much said, "Yeah, textbooks will have to be rewritten now." ...but that's nothing new. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By klinc: Originally Posted By R_S: Originally Posted By Red_Label: Large, mature galaxies discovered at the edge of the universe. Scientists in shock. Science NOT settled! REAL science is NEVER settled Story Sounds like that date for the age of the universe just got tossed out the window Saw a video from Michio Kaku yesterday and he pretty much said, "Yeah, textbooks will have to be rewritten now." ...but that's nothing new. Yeah....The latest Cosmos with BSM had some cringe moments when it came to the age of the universe. The words "we know" was used a bit too much. |
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Posted: 3/14/2023 3:52:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R_S: Sounds like that date for the age of the universe just got tossed out the window Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R_S: Originally Posted By Red_Label: Large, mature galaxies discovered at the edge of the universe. Scientists in shock. Science NOT settled! REAL science is NEVER settled Story Sounds like that date for the age of the universe just got tossed out the window Pretty much that, unless they come up with a different topography of the Universe. That, or finally realize we're living in a simulation and things which can't be seen aren't simulated until looked at making their rendering necessary. |
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Posted: 3/18/2023 12:52:24 AM EDT
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Had an opportunity to attend a NASA presentation on JWST at a local college. It was very glossy, but still interesting to hear it from an engineer who works at nearby Glenn.
 The school's observatory was open after, which was a nice treat. I took my niece because she's expressed interest in the cosmos, and now she wants to be an astronomer. Unfortunately, we had scattered clouds tonight so there were only brief glimpses for the stars through the telescope.  Didn't learn anything groundbreaking about the JWST but it was special to see it amaze an 11 year old. |
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Posted: 4/6/2023 10:36:18 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/6/2023 2:38:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FtCWcRjaEAIhsEc?format=jpg&name=large
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FtCWqG3aUAQLaoE?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 Interesting how the ring spacing looks like interference lines in a wave/slit experiment. Maybe there are "gravity wavelengths" or something that resonate into rings around a gravitational center? |
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