[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Jericho (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 9/12/2011 8:56:26 AM EDT
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So I started a show called Jericho last night.
Premise. Small Kansas town called Jericho. A nuclear bomb goes off in Denver. Later they find out a bunch went off. Modern day civil war. Pretty darn good SHTF show. Only ran for 2 seasons though. Anyone else watching that? |
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Stopped watching after Season 1.
Overstates effects of weapons used. Overstates effects on local economy. Overstates effects on production. Overstates effects of nuclear winter. Overstates breakdown of local law & order. Overstates breakdown of the military under the circumstances. Underutilizes equipment available to the townspeople (some equipment disappears after first use...like a VERY nice sniper rifle). A good yarn that makes you think, but don't take what you see too seriously. |
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Been there, done that. Very fun show. Worth your time for entertainment value alone. But it does get one thinking, even if it is often over-the-top. Got me my HUMMER H2...wife started watching and said, "...we need a HUMMER..." I've been telling her I need a hummer for years. Finally she's on board....wait, what? |
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Stopped watching after Season 1. Overstates effects of weapons used. Overstates effects on local economy. Overstates effects on production. Overstates effects of nuclear winter. Overstates breakdown of local law & order. Overstates breakdown of the military under the circumstances. Underutilizes equipment available to the townspeople (some equipment disappears after first use...like a VERY nice sniper rifle). A good yarn that makes you think, but don't take what you see too seriously. Could you elaborate on how many nuclear disasters your lived through and give us some educated info on how this show differed from your real life nuclear survival struggles? |
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Stopped watching after Season 1. Overstates effects of weapons used. Overstates effects on local economy. Overstates effects on production. Overstates effects of nuclear winter. Overstates breakdown of local law & order. Overstates breakdown of the military under the circumstances. Underutilizes equipment available to the townspeople (some equipment disappears after first use...like a VERY nice sniper rifle). A good yarn that makes you think, but don't take what you see too seriously. Could you elaborate on how many nuclear disasters your lived through and give us some educated info on how this show differed from your real life nuclear survival struggles? I love you Solo. 
I agree. Maybe it overstates those for you, but it makes me think...."What-if". I watched both seasons. It was a great show. Some things were  , but for the most part it got me thinking about all kinds of possibilities. Believe it or not, people exist outside of ARFCOM who don't think like we do. I don't knock any of the SHTF movies, wheher they are big budget or the worst of the shitty B-movies. Those movies may be fiction, but they are the collective movie makers take on life after SHTF. Afterall, until we see a real life SHTF scenario, we will never know how individuals, groups or even towns will act in those cases.
But please, enlighten us with your vast knowledge of what life would be like after a nuclear war.
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It was EXACTLY like all of the nuclear destruction of America that I have experienced. 
I really enjoyed it. I watched it twice through. Too bad it ended so abruptly. Agreed, I didn't get wind of it until a lil over a year ago. Which by that time it had been 86'd. I don't watch much t.v. Jericho, Fringe and TWD have really been all that's interested me. Oh and there was a sex talk show with Katie Morgan... that tickled my fancy too. 
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Jericho was okay, if your into soaps, following the individual characters through the show. I watched it twice once in English and again in German when they aired it here, funnily enough it never caught on here and they only showed the first season. 
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You missed all the original Jericho fanatics. After season one fans sent truck loadsof peanuts to the station because they were going to cancel after the first season.
The show had a second chance, but the powers that be decided to end it after the second season, so they did an abrupt season ending that pretty much sucked. |
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Stopped watching after Season 1. Overstates effects of weapons used. Overstates effects on local economy. Overstates effects on production. Overstates effects of nuclear winter. Overstates breakdown of local law & order. Overstates breakdown of the military under the circumstances. Underutilizes equipment available to the townspeople (some equipment disappears after first use...like a VERY nice sniper rifle). A good yarn that makes you think, but don't take what you see too seriously. Could you elaborate on how many nuclear disasters your lived through and give us some educated info on how this show differed from your real life nuclear survival struggles? Do you have ANY idea what I've done for a living? (Hint: figure out what my avatar is.) |
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Stopped watching after Season 1. Overstates effects of weapons used. Overstates effects on local economy. Overstates effects on production. Overstates effects of nuclear winter. Overstates breakdown of local law & order. Overstates breakdown of the military under the circumstances. Underutilizes equipment available to the townspeople (some equipment disappears after first use...like a VERY nice sniper rifle). A good yarn that makes you think, but don't take what you see too seriously. Could you elaborate on how many nuclear disasters your lived through and give us some educated info on how this show differed from your real life nuclear survival struggles? Do you have ANY idea what I've done for a living? (Hint: figure out what my avatar is.) Cuz my avatar is what I do for a livin too.
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Stopped watching after Season 1. Overstates effects of weapons used. Overstates effects on local economy. Overstates effects on production. Overstates effects of nuclear winter. Overstates breakdown of local law & order. Overstates breakdown of the military under the circumstances. Underutilizes equipment available to the townspeople (some equipment disappears after first use...like a VERY nice sniper rifle). A good yarn that makes you think, but don't take what you see too seriously. Could you elaborate on how many nuclear disasters your lived through and give us some educated info on how this show differed from your real life nuclear survival struggles? Do you have ANY idea what I've done for a living? (Hint: figure out what my avatar is.) Cuz my avatar is what I do for a livin too. A well dressed marathon running lumberjack having a slightly bad hair day?? |
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Stopped watching after Season 1. Overstates effects of weapons used. Overstates effects on local economy. Overstates effects on production. Overstates effects of nuclear winter. Overstates breakdown of local law & order. Overstates breakdown of the military under the circumstances. Underutilizes equipment available to the townspeople (some equipment disappears after first use...like a VERY nice sniper rifle). A good yarn that makes you think, but don't take what you see too seriously. Could you elaborate on how many nuclear disasters your lived through and give us some educated info on how this show differed from your real life nuclear survival struggles? Solo my brother, you are just RAW....... It makes me think what if as well. HAHAHAHAHAHA. |
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Stopped watching after Season 1. Overstates effects of weapons used. Overstates effects on local economy. Overstates effects on production. Overstates effects of nuclear winter. Overstates breakdown of local law & order. Overstates breakdown of the military under the circumstances. Underutilizes equipment available to the townspeople (some equipment disappears after first use...like a VERY nice sniper rifle). A good yarn that makes you think, but don't take what you see too seriously. Could you elaborate on how many nuclear disasters your lived through and give us some educated info on how this show differed from your real life nuclear survival struggles? Do you have ANY idea what I've done for a living? (Hint: figure out what my avatar is.) Cuz my avatar is what I do for a livin too. A well dressed marathon running lumberjack having a slightly bad hair day?? Ok... I actually got a pretty good laugh out of that one.
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Stopped watching after Season 1. Overstates effects of weapons used. Overstates effects on local economy. Overstates effects on production. Overstates effects of nuclear winter. Overstates breakdown of local law & order. Overstates breakdown of the military under the circumstances. Underutilizes equipment available to the townspeople (some equipment disappears after first use...like a VERY nice sniper rifle). A good yarn that makes you think, but don't take what you see too seriously. Could you elaborate on how many nuclear disasters your lived through and give us some educated info on how this show differed from your real life nuclear survival struggles? Do you have ANY idea what I've done for a living? (Hint: figure out what my avatar is.) How many actual nukes have you launched in your life-time? I'm assuming you're an officer....probably Air Force. |
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Stopped watching after Season 1. Overstates effects of weapons used. Overstates effects on local economy. Overstates effects on production. Overstates effects of nuclear winter. Overstates breakdown of local law & order. Overstates breakdown of the military under the circumstances. Underutilizes equipment available to the townspeople (some equipment disappears after first use...like a VERY nice sniper rifle). A good yarn that makes you think, but don't take what you see too seriously. Could you elaborate on how many nuclear disasters your lived through and give us some educated info on how this show differed from your real life nuclear survival struggles? Do you have ANY idea what I've done for a living? (Hint: figure out what my avatar is.) Cuz my avatar is what I do for a livin too. My avatar is for a launch control panel out of a Minuteman III launch control center. I've spent seven years on nuclear alert in two different ICBM systems and another five working nuclear weapons policy and doctrine––to include three years working with the Strategic War Planning System (SWPS) at US Strategic Command. SWPS is the integrated software that plans and integrates the three legs of the Nuclear Triad into one comprehensive plan. During one year in the Pentagon, I owned the Air Force Chief of Staff's copy of the Black Book, i.e., the Presidential Nuclear Decision Handbook, you know, the one the guy with the Football carries? Within three feet of me, right now, are three different texts on the effects of nuclear weapons (Glasstone's The Effects of Nuclear Weapons, Congress's Office of Technology Assessment's The Effects of Nuclear War, and Brookings Institute's Managing Nuclear Operations), and I've read them all. And your expertise on nuclear weapons matters is.....? |
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Stopped watching after Season 1. Overstates effects of weapons used. Overstates effects on local economy. Overstates effects on production. Overstates effects of nuclear winter. Overstates breakdown of local law & order. Overstates breakdown of the military under the circumstances. Underutilizes equipment available to the townspeople (some equipment disappears after first use...like a VERY nice sniper rifle). A good yarn that makes you think, but don't take what you see too seriously. Could you elaborate on how many nuclear disasters your lived through and give us some educated info on how this show differed from your real life nuclear survival struggles? Do you have ANY idea what I've done for a living? (Hint: figure out what my avatar is.) Cuz my avatar is what I do for a livin too. My avatar is for a launch control panel out of a Minuteman III launch control center. I've spent seven years on nuclear alert in two different ICBM systems and another five working nuclear weapons policy and doctrine––to include three years working with the Strategic War Planning System (SWPS) at US Strategic Command. SWPS is the integrated software that plans and integrates the three legs of the Nuclear Triad into one comprehensive plan. During one year in the Pentagon, I owned the Air Force Chief of Staff's copy of the Black Book, i.e., the Presidential Nuclear Decision Handbook, you know, the one the guy with the Football carries? Within three feet of me, right now, are three different texts on the effects of nuclear weapons (Glasstone's The Effects of Nuclear Weapons, Congress's Office of Technology Assessment's The Effects of Nuclear War, and Brookings Institute's Managing Nuclear Operations), and I've read them all. And your expertise on nuclear weapons matters is.....? My expertise is... Installing draft beer systems for bars, breweries, pubs and restaurants. And I have additional background in not giving a shit what you do. You Sir should learn the difference between trolling and serious discussion... To think... they give fellas like you access to lil red buttons is... Disturbing.... |
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Stopped watching after Season 1. Overstates effects of weapons used. Overstates effects on local economy. Overstates effects on production. Overstates effects of nuclear winter. Overstates breakdown of local law & order. Overstates breakdown of the military under the circumstances. Underutilizes equipment available to the townspeople (some equipment disappears after first use...like a VERY nice sniper rifle). A good yarn that makes you think, but don't take what you see too seriously. Could you elaborate on how many nuclear disasters your lived through and give us some educated info on how this show differed from your real life nuclear survival struggles? Do you have ANY idea what I've done for a living? (Hint: figure out what my avatar is.) Cuz my avatar is what I do for a livin too. My avatar is for a launch control panel out of a Minuteman III launch control center. I've spent seven years on nuclear alert in two different ICBM systems and another five working nuclear weapons policy and doctrine––to include three years working with the Strategic War Planning System (SWPS) at US Strategic Command. SWPS is the integrated software that plans and integrates the three legs of the Nuclear Triad into one comprehensive plan. During one year in the Pentagon, I owned the Air Force Chief of Staff's copy of the Black Book, i.e., the Presidential Nuclear Decision Handbook, you know, the one the guy with the Football carries? Within three feet of me, right now, are three different texts on the effects of nuclear weapons (Glasstone's The Effects of Nuclear Weapons, Congress's Office of Technology Assessment's The Effects of Nuclear War, and Brookings Institute's Managing Nuclear Operations), and I've read them all. And your expertise on nuclear weapons matters is.....? My expertise is... Installing draft beer systems for bars, breweries, pubs and restaurants. And I have additional background in not giving a shit what you do. You Sir should learn the difference between trolling and serious discussion... To think... they give fellas like you access to lil red buttons is... Disturbing.... And children should learn to keep quiet when the adults are talking. |
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My avatar is for a launch control panel out of a Minuteman III launch control center. I've spent seven years on nuclear alert in two different ICBM systems and another five working nuclear weapons policy and doctrine––to include three years working with the Strategic War Planning System (SWPS) at US Strategic Command. SWPS is the integrated software that plans and integrates the three legs of the Nuclear Triad into one comprehensive plan. During one year in the Pentagon, I owned the Air Force Chief of Staff's copy of the Black Book, i.e., the Presidential Nuclear Decision Handbook, you know, the one the guy with the Football carries? Within three feet of me, right now, are three different texts on the effects of nuclear weapons (Glasstone's The Effects of Nuclear Weapons, Congress's Office of Technology Assessment's The Effects of Nuclear War, and Brookings Institute's Managing Nuclear Operations), and I've read them all. And your expertise on nuclear weapons matters is.....?[/quote] Yep, he's an officer. Knowledge is one thing. I know the effects of nukes, too. Effects of nuclear weapons can be found all over the internet and in some books I have access to. But you still didn't answer my question. How many actual nukes have you launched to see the effects of nuclear weapons yourself? Do those books tell you how nuclear weapons will effect the economy, local law enforcement and everything else you previosly mentioned? EDIT* Spelled effect a couple of different ways in my snickering fit. |
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To add my .02.
Realism aside, the show if for entertainment purposes. Just like any reality show right now. They want the crazy drama filled characters. It makes for good TV. Outrageous situations make for good TV as well. With that said from what I have watched so far is not too far fetched.Its not like someone got exposed to radiation and grew wings or extra body parts to help them kick the bad guys arses. |
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To add my .02. Realism aside, the show if for entertainment purposes. Just like any reality show right now. They want the crazy drama filled characters. It makes for good TV. Outrageous situations make for good TV as well. With that said from what I have watched so far is not too far fetched.Its not like someone got exposed to radiation and grew wings or extra body parts to help them kick the bad guys arses. Do you think other countries would really come to our aid in that kind of a situation? Not trying to start something, just your .02 on that. We go to everyone elses aid in disasters....would they return the favor? |
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My avatar is for a launch control panel out of a Minuteman III launch control center. I've spent seven years on nuclear alert in two different ICBM systems and another five working nuclear weapons policy and doctrine––to include three years working with the Strategic War Planning System (SWPS) at US Strategic Command. SWPS is the integrated software that plans and integrates the three legs of the Nuclear Triad into one comprehensive plan. During one year in the Pentagon, I owned the Air Force Chief of Staff's copy of the Black Book, i.e., the Presidential Nuclear Decision Handbook, you know, the one the guy with the Football carries? Within three feet of me, right now, are three different texts on the effects of nuclear weapons (Glasstone's The Effects of Nuclear Weapons, Congress's Office of Technology Assessment's The Effects of Nuclear War, and Brookings Institute's Managing Nuclear Operations), and I've read them all. And your expertise on nuclear weapons matters is.....?[/quote] Yep, he's an officer. Knowledge is one thing. I know the effects of nukes, too. Effects of nuclear weapons can be found all over the internet and in some books I have access to. But you still didn't answer my question. How many actual nukes have you launched to see the affects of nuclear weapons yourself? Do those books tell you how nuclear weapons will affect the economy, local law enforcement and everything else you previosly mentioned? Do I have to get cancer to be an oncologist? A heart attack to be a cardiologist? Actually, yes, the books and the models I've seen (and run) on collateral damage as a result of nuclear strikes tell me otherwise. The fact of the matter is, 25 nukes across the country, even if located in major population centers, would NOT lead to a destruction of the power grid, communications systems, etc. Food production (done in rural areas outside of the DGZs) would be unharmed, and food distribution would be affected but quickly adapt––hardest part there would be the loss of transportation nodes (rail and highway) through the cities struck. Government would be the most affected, and, oddly enough, there are plans for that in place already. EMP results were fairly accurate, though they never got around to (or maybe I didn't stick around long enough to) describing how (or even if) the organization responsible for the 25 groundbursts also did the high altitude burst necessary for an EMP. As I said, good yarn, lots of food for thought, but the technical aspects of the storyline leave a lot to be desired. My greatest beef with the show is the HUGE lack of common sense with the stuff they DO have (i.e., Hawkins has some great gear that appears once, never to return, they never go to the nearest National Guard armory to see what's available, there's only one guy with a farm nearby even though they're in rural Kansas, etc.). And where the hell did they get all those candles from? Every episode, every house has like 20 candles lit in every room. They don't have enough gas for a month, but they've got enough candles to do surgery by, for a year? |
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Do you think other countries would really come to our aid in that kind of a situation? Not trying to start something, just your .02 on that. We go to everyone elses aid in disasters....would they return the favor? DUDE WTF! I havent gotten that far into the season yet. Way to throw out spoilers!
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A good yarn that makes you think, but don't take what you see too seriously. A buddy of mine on this forum hit it on the head about military movies and TV shows. We all know the ins and outs of what we do, we see the flaws and the BS and love to point them out. Anyway, he said, "If you shut off your brain and just watch for the entertainment value, you'll enjoy it a lot more". Not verbatim, but pretty close to what he said. You know what, he's right. If I stop looking at what's wrong with the movie or TV show and just watch for the hell of it, it's more enjoyable. Even if the movie is the most horribly made B-movie. |
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Do you think other countries would really come to our aid in that kind of a situation? Not trying to start something, just your .02 on that. We go to everyone elses aid in disasters....would they return the favor? DUDE WTF! I havent gotten that far into the season yet. Way to throw out spoilers!
My bad.  I didn't read your first line in the OP all the way. Forget what I said. That post never happened.
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Actually, yes, the books and the models I've seen (and run) on collateral damage as a result of nuclear strikes tell me otherwise. The fact of the matter is, 25 nukes across the country, even if located in major population centers, would NOT lead to a destruction of the power grid, communications systems, etc. Food production (done in rural areas outside of the DGZs) would be unharmed, and food distribution would be affected but quickly adapt––hardest part there would be the loss of transportation nodes (rail and highway) through the cities struck. Government would be the most affected, and, oddly enough, there are plans for that in place already. EMP results were fairly accurate, though they never got around to (or maybe I didn't stick around long enough to) describing how (or even if) the organization responsible for the 25 groundbursts also did the high altitude burst necessary for an EMP. And where the hell did they get all those candles from? Every episode, every house has like 20 candles lit in every room. They don't have enough gas for a month, but they've got enough candles to do surgery by, for a year?
How updated are those plans? 50's...60's? Being in Kansas and crappy weather, aka Tornadoes, I'm sure they have plenty of candles around. Thank God Minot didn't drop a nuke when they accidentally transported some live warheads back in 2007. |
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A buddy of mine on this forum hit it on the head about military movies and TV shows. We all know the ins and outs of what we do, we see the flaws and the BS and love to point them out. Anyway, he said, "If you shut off your brain and just watch for the entertainment value, you'll enjoy it a lot more". Not verbatim, but pretty close to what he said. You know what, he's right. If I stop looking at what's wrong with the movie or TV show and just watch for the hell of it, it's more enjoyable. Even if the movie is the most horribly made B-movie. +1 I enjoyed the movie Wanted, even if it wasnt really Angelinas ass in the shot of her getting out of the healing bath and I damn sure dont think I can bend trajectories on bullets. I LOVED Jericho for two reasons.. 1. It was better than the reality crap they pollute TV with now and 2. It made people think. Did they make mistakes in the show? Hell yeah. But it still made people think. We have grown as a society of expecting someone to come save us. It got more people thinking about "what if". I just dont think primetime was ready for that show. I would have loved to have seen it as an HBO series. |
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Actually, yes, the books and the models I've seen (and run) on collateral damage as a result of nuclear strikes tell me otherwise. The fact of the matter is, 25 nukes across the country, even if located in major population centers, would NOT lead to a destruction of the power grid, communications systems, etc. Food production (done in rural areas outside of the DGZs) would be unharmed, and food distribution would be affected but quickly adapt––hardest part there would be the loss of transportation nodes (rail and highway) through the cities struck. Government would be the most affected, and, oddly enough, there are plans for that in place already. EMP results were fairly accurate, though they never got around to (or maybe I didn't stick around long enough to) describing how (or even if) the organization responsible for the 25 groundbursts also did the high altitude burst necessary for an EMP. And where the hell did they get all those candles from? Every episode, every house has like 20 candles lit in every room. They don't have enough gas for a month, but they've got enough candles to do surgery by, for a year?
How updated are those plans? 50's...60's? Being in Kansas and crappy weather, aka Tornadoes, I'm sure they have plenty of candles around. Thank God Minot didn't drop a nuke when they accidentally transported some live warheads back in 2007. Let's see––2009 was the last time I had access, so, at least 2009. And we update them every year, oddly enough.
Is it so hard to understand that the US military is interested in an accurate assessment of the effects of nuclear weapons, both for attack assessment and domestic crisis management? And that some Hollywood-ized liberal OMG propaganda about the end of the world if even one weapon went off doesn't really help us do that in the long run? |
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A buddy of mine on this forum hit it on the head about military movies and TV shows. We all know the ins and outs of what we do, we see the flaws and the BS and love to point them out. Anyway, he said, "If you shut off your brain and just watch for the entertainment value, you'll enjoy it a lot more". Not verbatim, but pretty close to what he said. You know what, he's right. If I stop looking at what's wrong with the movie or TV show and just watch for the hell of it, it's more enjoyable. Even if the movie is the most horribly made B-movie. +1 I enjoyed the movie Wanted, even if it wasnt really Angelinas ass in the shot of her getting out of the healing bath and I damn sure dont think I can bend trajectories on bullets. I LOVED Jericho for two reasons.. 1. It was better than the reality crap they pollute TV with now and 2. It made people think. Did they make mistakes in the show? Hell yeah. But it still made people think. We have grown as a society of expecting someone to come save us. It got more people thinking about "what if". I just dont think primetime was ready for that show. I would have loved to have seen it as an HBO series. Which goes back to my original comment––a good yarn that makes you think, but using it at face value as your preps model might not be the best idea. |
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Let's see––2009 was the last time I had access, so, at least 2009. And we update them every year, oddly enough.
Is it so hard to understand that the US military is interested in an accurate assessment of the effects of nuclear weapons, both for attack assessment and domestic crisis management? And that some Hollywood-ized liberal OMG propaganda about the end of the world if even one weapon went off doesn't really help us do that in the long run? Listen, I'm busting your balls man. I picked up real quick you are an officer. Being a lowly USAF enlisted guy of 20 years, I just had to give you shit. In the process, you gave us some insight that the .mil and .gov think it's important enough to update the plans regularly.
BTW, get your tank icon so you can join the .MIL forum. WPNS462 = Weapons loader |
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A buddy of mine on this forum hit it on the head about military movies and TV shows. We all know the ins and outs of what we do, we see the flaws and the BS and love to point them out. Anyway, he said, "If you shut off your brain and just watch for the entertainment value, you'll enjoy it a lot more". Not verbatim, but pretty close to what he said. You know what, he's right. If I stop looking at what's wrong with the movie or TV show and just watch for the hell of it, it's more enjoyable. Even if the movie is the most horribly made B-movie. +1 I enjoyed the movie Wanted, even if it wasnt really Angelinas ass in the shot of her getting out of the healing bath and I damn sure dont think I can bend trajectories on bullets. I LOVED Jericho for two reasons.. 1. It was better than the reality crap they pollute TV with now and 2. It made people think. Did they make mistakes in the show? Hell yeah. But it still made people think. We have grown as a society of expecting someone to come save us. It got more people thinking about "what if". I just dont think primetime was ready for that show. I would have loved to have seen it as an HBO series. Which goes back to my original comment––a good yarn that makes you think, but using it at face value as your preps model might not be the best idea. Im in no way discounting your assessment. Perhaps the delivery, but you are spot on with your assessment. Of course same conversation held in person would likely have been met with agreement. Very hard to tell what people are thinking or truly how they are saying it via these forums. I hope a day never comes that you have to put your skills in the nuclear environment to test. Ive seen many a poster online talk a good talk and admittedly I discounted them as a very good "reader" until having met them in person and was very impressed. I still enjoy reading your posts though. |
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Hey guys with all the Nuclear knowledge. Can you take a look at my plastic question. Por Favor Within the blast radius, your plastic wouldn't work at all.
There was a movie a few years ago called Right at your Door. It was about a dirty bomb going off in Los Angeles. The toxic cloud was floating around. The main characters house boarded his house up with plastic. Blah, blah, blah. Anyway, some of the toxic crap got inside. The plastic prevented airflow and provided heat just enough for the toxic stuff to make the dude sick. The rest of the open air areas survived. Having said that, I honestly don't know if it'll work long term. We cover our things in the military with plastic sheets to prevent chem droplets from contaminating our equipment during exercises. I imagine it would be ok short term, but once it gets droplets or toxic crap on the plastic sheets, they need to be replaced immediately to prevent accidental contamination of other pieces of equipment or people. |
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Let's see––2009 was the last time I had access, so, at least 2009. And we update them every year, oddly enough.
Is it so hard to understand that the US military is interested in an accurate assessment of the effects of nuclear weapons, both for attack assessment and domestic crisis management? And that some Hollywood-ized liberal OMG propaganda about the end of the world if even one weapon went off doesn't really help us do that in the long run? Listen, I'm busting your balls man. I picked up real quick you are an officer. Being a lowly USAF enlisted guy of 20 years, I just had to give you shit. In the process, you gave us some insight that the .mil and .gov think it's important enough to update the plans regularly.
BTW, get your tank icon so you can join the .MIL forum. WPNS462 = Weapons loader No worries!  I admittedly get a little sensitive over the "ZOMG SOMEONE MENTIONED NUCLEAR WEAPONS WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE YESTERDAY" mindset, and try to correct it whenever I can.
To quote General Turgidson, "I'm not saying we're not going to get our hair mussed; I'm saying, 10 to 20 million dead, tops––ahhh, depending on the breaks. "
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Hey guys with all the Nuclear knowledge. Can you take a look at my plastic question. Por Favor Think of fallout like a fine sand. Fallout is particles (dirt, dust, etc) that have been irradiated, then sucked up into/blown away from fireball. These airborne particles are highly radioactive but have a very short half-life. As a general rule of thumb, fallout becomes very close to background radiation after just two weeks (assuming your just downwind of ground zero, and not anywhere where you felt the heat from the fireball). But go outside 48 hours after the blast and you'll be very, very sick. Key to fallout protection is distance and density. Keep the fallout away from you, and keep thick, dense material between you and it. Basement is ideal, with dirt stacked high against the walls and lots of thick dense material overhead. Windows and doors closed will work without plastic, and that allows fresh air to filter in through cracks and seams without letting in a huge amount of fallout. Standard farmhouse root/storm cellar, not so much, because there's too many avenues for the fallout to get blown down the steps. Short-notice fallout shelter, like the folks in Jericho: I'd make sure I had all my basement window wells filled in, put about 12" of dense material (dirt, ideally) across the first floor over where I'm sheltering at least, grab the womenz and all the Cokes and chips I could carry down into the basement and camp out for two weeks. Long-term, I'd have a section of the basement cordoned off with 3-4 weeks of food, water, etc. That section of the basement would have a finished bathroom with a tub (that's 20-30 gallons of water), and be near the water heater (that's 40 gallons of water available without having to do anything special). It would have walls at least 10' high, with dirt stacked up to at least the 8' level, with no window wells. Interior walls from that section to the rest of the basement would be concret block at least 8" thick. I'd have a way handy to block off the door with dense material and quickly fill the floor above with dirt/sand. Get the warning tones, go downstairs, quickly fill up the tub with water, cover the first floor with sand, grab said womenz, Cokes and chips, block the door, grab the Uno deck and camp out. Then emerge into the post-apocalyptic world ready to do battle with the 40-foot ants. 
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Hey guys with all the Nuclear knowledge. Can you take a look at my plastic question. Por Favor Think of fallout like a fine sand. Fallout is particles (dirt, dust, etc) that have been irradiated, then sucked up into/blown away from fireball. These airborne particles are highly radioactive but have a very short half-life. As a general rule of thumb, fallout becomes very close to background radiation after just two weeks (assuming your just downwind of ground zero, and not anywhere where you felt the heat from the fireball). But go outside 48 hours after the blast and you'll be very, very sick. Key to fallout protection is distance and density. Keep the fallout away from you, and keep thick, dense material between you and it. Basement is ideal, with dirt stacked high against the walls and lots of thick dense material overhead. Windows and doors closed will work without plastic, and that allows fresh air to filter in through cracks and seams without letting in a huge amount of fallout. Standard farmhouse root/storm cellar, not so much, because there's too many avenues for the fallout to get blown down the steps. Short-notice fallout shelter, like the folks in Jericho: I'd make sure I had all my basement window wells filled in, put about 12" of dense material (dirt, ideally) across the first floor over where I'm sheltering at least, grab the womenz and all the Cokes and chips I could carry down into the basement and camp out for two weeks. Long-term, I'd have a section of the basement cordoned off with 3-4 weeks of food, water, etc. That section of the basement would have a finished bathroom with a tub (that's 20-30 gallons of water), and be near the water heater (that's 40 gallons of water available without having to do anything special). It would have walls at least 10' high, with dirt stacked up to at least the 8' level, with no window wells. Interior walls from that section to the rest of the basement would be concret block at least 8" thick. I'd have a way handy to block off the door with dense material and quickly fill the floor above with dirt/sand. Get the warning tones, go downstairs, quickly fill up the tub with water, cover the first floor with sand, grab said womenz, Cokes and chips, block the door, grab the Uno deck and camp out. Then emerge into the post-apocalyptic world ready to do battle with the 40-foot ants. Now thats the shit i'm talkin bout... I can see madbombermike in his tactikilt riding one of those bitches like cool hand luke. |
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What the fuck is distance and density?
When I went through nukes(USAF EOD) we called it time distance and sheilding... hell even now as an industrial radiographer we call it time distance and shielding. Fuck, every publication I have ever seen, that even remotely mentions radiation calls it time distance, and shielding. And for the record, I thoroughly enjoyed Jericho. even though alot of the shit was inaccurate. one other thing, if you are so anal about nukes, how can you even watch an action movie? seeing as how you are on AR15.com, i'm assuming you are a fan of guns...... most every action movie shows fucked up shit in regards to gun.... man... i'd hate to not be able to let go to watch a movie. |
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Stopped watching after Season 1. Overstates effects of weapons used. Overstates effects on local economy. Overstates effects on production. Overstates effects of nuclear winter. Overstates breakdown of local law & order. Overstates breakdown of the military under the circumstances. Underutilizes equipment available to the townspeople (some equipment disappears after first use...like a VERY nice sniper rifle). A good yarn that makes you think, but don't take what you see too seriously. Could you elaborate on how many nuclear disasters your lived through and give us some educated info on how this show differed from your real life nuclear survival struggles? Do you know what LimaXray does in the real world (hint his job required a 'key')? ETA: Ok I see this was covered I'll agree with his comments, but I really enjoyed the show when it was on TV. It used the exaggerated nukes as a premise and went with it. VERY different from standard TV fare and it showed armed citizens in a positive light. Not perfect, but better than just about any other show on TV at the time. |
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What the fuck is distance and density? When I went through nukes(USAF EOD) we called it time distance and sheilding... This is what they teach officers. And this is what they teach enlisted. At least yall got that... In school all we got was distance = under your desk shielding/density = kiss your ass goodbye |