It's all so tiresome

John Lennon, Tupac, Kurt Cobain, and a few others that are worshipped in death, would be considered washed-up mediocrity had they lived.
By now, most would have said or done something to get themselves canceled by the same choads that worship them.

Help
Hello Goodbye
Revolution
#9 Dream
I Am the Walrus
Norwegian Wood
Come Together
Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds
My Life
Eleanor Rigby
Day in the Life
Fool on the Hill
Hard Days Night
With a Little Help from my Friends
Lady Madonna
Penny Lane
Glass Onion


Yep.  They suck alright.  I'll take suck all day long.

Shh, don't you know the current GD bandwagon is that the Beatles were no-talent hacks?  You'll be ostracized, bro.

You’re right, Critical Race Theory’s popularity here proves it.  It’s a shit theory (like the Beatles)… but “made it” here.

Which bands/performers were philosophers?
What other boy band came close to their record sales…the Stones?

I think its easy to see who the Beatles were, working class brits who, if they weren’t murdered or died would still be playing and writing music like McCartney and Ringo.  

Only new Happy Birthday song of any consequence since…forever.

I love The Beatles' stuff (and Steely Dan) for that matter.

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He wrote a song about it.  Gettin Better.

I used to be cruel to my woman
I beat her and kept her apart from the things that she loved
Man I was mean but I'm changing my scene
And I'm doing the best that I can (Ooh)

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Agree. There he was singing "imagine no possessions" from his multi-million dollar mansion.   I honestly do believe he may have been mentally ill, all the "phases" he went through.  Either that or drugs really did do a number on him.

Live and let die was great in concert.  My wife about crapped with the first pyrotechnics went off when we saw McCartney a few years ago.

For being in his lates 70’s he put on a great show.

Read about Lennon's constantly changing philosophies and beliefs in the Sixties.  Every one was embraced as an "absolute answer" until the next phase came along.  I suspect this would have been the same had he lived.

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i think that part of their success was that people were really getting tired of surfin' and hot rod songs...

All generational differences --and music genres-- aside... NO musician or performer (or actor) is someone to emulate.

You can emulate their musical skill, their artistry, their technical mastery, but stop emulating them as personalities or cultural heroes or political spokespersons.

Almost without exception (and I say this as an artist) they are fucked-up people with lots of mental problems.

Maybe that's the price artists pay for creative genius (or idiotic delusions of grandeur).

But you don't want to be these people.

I think Jon Lennon sucked. Everybody else in the band really just wanted to make bops, but he wanted to get political, and he was a goofy asshole for that. That ruined the band more than anything else. Everybody else in the band still put out good music afterward. He got shot.

Classy sort of lot some of them are, you know?

I thought McCartney’s stuff was pretty insipid. What was it Lennon called Ob-La-Di, “granny shit”?

Meh, life goes on.

Niiiiice!

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American pop music in the early 60's was becoming a manufactured and carefully manicured pre-fab teen idol  product a la Fabian, Paul Anka, etc.  The Beatles interrupted that, although the Wrecking Crew sort of continued the pre-fab, manufactured theme behind the scenes.  Most of the west coast bands like The Byrds, Paul Revere and the Raiders, and even the Beach Boys used studio musicians on the records even if the actual band did the touring.  The Monkees weren't the only "made up" band.  The Beatles at least authentically played their own instruments.

You have no idea what you are talking about.  The Beatles had more influence on more people than almost any other musical entity, or at least are on the list of the top names.   The hordes of middle America white pre-pubescent teens were a "counter-culture"?  Really?  Their songs were their marketing.  Without those there would have been nothing.  All of those 'exponentially talented'  musicians you refer to have no bearing on anything.  In art as in life there are millions of participants of all stripes.  Some win, some lose, all to varying degrees.   You can segment out those who are known in pop-culture from the total if you wish and try to attribute various reasons for success or failure.  So what?   All of that is meaningless.    Contrary to your assertion they were unique both here and in their home country.  Did they have influences?  Of course, like all do.   The music ran the gamut from early 60's pop to late 60's early 70's drug addled spiritual exegeses.  You label all of that as 'pop-level crap', demonstrating a very one dimensional view.   You come across as having some agenda and wanting to angrily foist it on others, for what reason?  As mentioned above you of course can have whatever opinion you wish to have.

Look, I was never a Beatles fan - at most times they are not even on the list of anything I would like to listen to.  Some of their songs are exceptional pieces of musical art and inspirational (see my list of some of those a bit upstream) however I was exposed to music all of my life, play since age 5, write, arrange, compose, perform, listen, watch, study  and that experience confirms that every person, based on their own individuality has their own tastes so I leave all criticism of music right there where it belongs - up to the individual experiencing it to like or not like something, to become inspired or disgusted as is appropriate.  In the end I appreciate it all.  

I have to agree with Lennon when it comes to this comment.

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Paul? Is that you?

Well, there are photos out there...

Exactly. I've never understood the sheer insane amount on celebrity worship in this country.

Everyone agrees with that. The question is why/how though.

I think our government is insanely big. Others think it’s insanely small. Those are two radically different things.

This is entirely correct and it IS a serious problem in this country.  As to how it ever got that way, that's way beyond me, but I suppose it just evolved over decades starting with movie stars and then expanding to rock stars.

Their opinions on ANYTHING OTHER than their field of expertise (acting or music) are NO BETTER than anyone else's, barring any special training or education in the area they are spouting off about.

Yet for some reason, in this country today, we somehow think people like Oprah Winfrey are experts on every issue under the Sun, just because they are celebrities.

It's one of the reasons we are in the mess we are in, too.

Fixed it...

One of the greatest song writers, and most innovative musicians ever!  He gets a pass for ANY indiscretions, he's a BEATLE!

pied pipers leading a generation into drugs, stds, and eastern mysticism

Derp.

That was my general impression.

I wasn't saying that other bands were philosophers. They're not. They're just entertainers, and they generally have terrible grasps of politics and human nature. And that's the point.