[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Johnson/Weld (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 7/1/2016 12:18:05 PM EDT
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Just started seeing some promotion online for their 3rd Party run.
I admit the video is pretty well done. IMO we can't risk a 3rd party vote right now because it might put Hitlery in office, but if these guys are to be taken at face value, I'm on board. What's the scoop on these guys? 
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Isn't the VP antigun? Then Weld addresses the controversy over his previous gun control positions: "I am a lifelong hunter and gun owner. In 1993, however, as Governor of Massachusetts, I went along with some modest restrictions on certain types of firearms. I was deeply concerned about gun violence, and frankly, the people I represented were demanding action. Sometimes, governing involves tough choices, and I had to make more than a few. Today, almost 25 years later, I would make some different choices. Restricting Americans’ gun rights doesn’t make us safer, and threatens our constitutional freedoms. I was pleased by and support the Supreme Court’s decision in the District of Columbia vs. Heller -- a decision that embraced the notion that our Second Amendment rights are individual rights, not to be abridged by the government." |
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Then Weld addresses the controversy over his previous gun control positions: "I am a lifelong hunter and gun owner. In 1993, however, as Governor of Massachusetts, I went along with some modest restrictions on certain types of firearms. I was deeply concerned about gun violence, and frankly, the people I represented were demanding action. Sometimes, governing involves tough choices, and I had to make more than a few. Today, almost 25 years later, I would make some different choices. Restricting Americans’ gun rights doesn’t make us safer, and threatens our constitutional freedoms. I was pleased by and support the Supreme Court’s decision in the District of Columbia vs. Heller -- a decision that embraced the notion that our Second Amendment rights are individual rights, not to be abridged by the government." Quoted:
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Isn't the VP antigun? Then Weld addresses the controversy over his previous gun control positions: "I am a lifelong hunter and gun owner. In 1993, however, as Governor of Massachusetts, I went along with some modest restrictions on certain types of firearms. I was deeply concerned about gun violence, and frankly, the people I represented were demanding action. Sometimes, governing involves tough choices, and I had to make more than a few. Today, almost 25 years later, I would make some different choices. Restricting Americans’ gun rights doesn’t make us safer, and threatens our constitutional freedoms. I was pleased by and support the Supreme Court’s decision in the District of Columbia vs. Heller -- a decision that embraced the notion that our Second Amendment rights are individual rights, not to be abridged by the government." ahhhh he evolved 
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Isn't the VP antigun? No. He knows he made a mistake. What makes Trump change of attitude on guns more sincere? I'm calling the gun issue a tie between the two parties this year. But Johnson/Weld are better on all the other issues, so the choice is obvious to me. Also, getting millions of Americans to google the term "Libertarian" this year is a huge step in the right direction for this country. |
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http://reason.com/blog/2016/05/21/william-weld-responds-to-libertarian-par
"of the three tickets who will be on the ballot in all 50 states in November, the Libertarian Party has the potential to have candidates whose experience and proven leadership exceeds that of the two other parties combined. That credibility and leadership, matched by a firm commitment to the principles of Liberty, will be a powerful combination" |
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Then you will continue to get shitty choices. Quoted:
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Overall good guys with a real chance to bring the LP into mainstream. I think we should be supporting them over Trump, IMO. 
No. On all counts. Then you will continue to get shitty choices. The Alt Right accomplished in 8 years what the Libertarians couldn't accomplish in 40 years.............popularity 
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Just started seeing some promotion online for their 3rd Party run. I admit the video is pretty well done. IMO we can't risk a 3rd party vote right now because it might put Hitlery in office, but if these guys are to be taken at face value, I'm on board. What's the scoop on these guys?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9km5f9AhQAThis is the exact mentality that gets us candidates like Trump and Hillary If everyone who thought that way had the balls to vote for Johnson, he'd win. I'm voting for him. I almost always vote 3rd party, regardless of who the candidate is. |
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Quoted: Then Weld addresses the controversy over his previous gun control positions: "I am a lifelong hunter and gun owner. In 1993, however, as Governor of Massachusetts, I went along with some modest restrictions on certain types of firearms. I was deeply concerned about gun violence, and frankly, the people I represented were demanding action. Sometimes, governing involves tough choices, and I had to make more than a few. Today, almost 25 years later, I would make some different choices. Restricting Americans’ gun rights doesn’t make us safer, and threatens our constitutional freedoms. I was pleased by and support the Supreme Court’s decision in the District of Columbia vs. Heller -- a decision that embraced the notion that our Second Amendment rights are individual rights, not to be abridged by the government." Quoted: Quoted: Isn't the VP antigun? Then Weld addresses the controversy over his previous gun control positions: "I am a lifelong hunter and gun owner. In 1993, however, as Governor of Massachusetts, I went along with some modest restrictions on certain types of firearms. I was deeply concerned about gun violence, and frankly, the people I represented were demanding action. Sometimes, governing involves tough choices, and I had to make more than a few. Today, almost 25 years later, I would make some different choices. Restricting Americans’ gun rights doesn’t make us safer, and threatens our constitutional freedoms. I was pleased by and support the Supreme Court’s decision in the District of Columbia vs. Heller -- a decision that embraced the notion that our Second Amendment rights are individual rights, not to be abridged by the government." The Mangoheads forgive The Mango for his positions favoring an assault-weapons ban during this era and won't forgive Weld. Total consistency, right?  |
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Johnson/Weld are currently pulling more votes from Hillary than Trump. I don't want Hillary but I equally don't want Trump. It's like asking someone which knee they want shot in. Quoted:
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You want Hitlery? Because this is how you get Hitlery. I don't want Hillary but I equally don't want Trump. It's like asking someone which knee they want shot in. Cite your source please. |
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Quoted: Johnson/Weld are currently pulling more votes from Hillary than Trump. I don't want Hillary but I equally don't want Trump. It's like asking someone which knee they want shot in. Quoted: Quoted: You want Hitlery? Because this is how you get Hitlery. I don't want Hillary but I equally don't want Trump. It's like asking someone which knee they want shot in. That's exactly where I am at. It doesn't really matter in my libtard state, anyway. The Mango is gonna get clubbed like a baby seal, here. |
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The Mangoheads forgive The Mango for his positions favoring an assault-weapons ban during this era and won't forgive Weld. Total consistency, right?
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Isn't the VP antigun? Then Weld addresses the controversy over his previous gun control positions: "I am a lifelong hunter and gun owner. In 1993, however, as Governor of Massachusetts, I went along with some modest restrictions on certain types of firearms. I was deeply concerned about gun violence, and frankly, the people I represented were demanding action. Sometimes, governing involves tough choices, and I had to make more than a few. Today, almost 25 years later, I would make some different choices. Restricting Americans’ gun rights doesn’t make us safer, and threatens our constitutional freedoms. I was pleased by and support the Supreme Court’s decision in the District of Columbia vs. Heller -- a decision that embraced the notion that our Second Amendment rights are individual rights, not to be abridged by the government." The Mangoheads forgive The Mango for his positions favoring an assault-weapons ban during this era and won't forgive Weld. Total consistency, right?
The "Christie is going to be Trump's VP--ZOMG!" thread makes it particularly laughable. Identical positions between the two Veeps. Identical. 
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Quoted: Cite your source please. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: You want Hitlery? Because this is how you get Hitlery. I don't want Hillary but I equally don't want Trump. It's like asking someone which knee they want shot in. Cite your source please. |
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I was really impressed by that ad. I think a lot of low information voters may see that and just go "why not?". But ultimately it always comes down the the electoral map. I don't see them swinging any states or getting one outright. Honestly though, if the election came down to just my one vote and I had to choose among the three, I'd vote for Johnson, he actually is the better candidate. |
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Quoted: The "Christie is going to be Trump's VP--ZOMG!" thread makes it particularly laughable. Identical positions between the two Veeps. Identical. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Isn't the VP antigun? Then Weld addresses the controversy over his previous gun control positions: "I am a lifelong hunter and gun owner. In 1993, however, as Governor of Massachusetts, I went along with some modest restrictions on certain types of firearms. I was deeply concerned about gun violence, and frankly, the people I represented were demanding action. Sometimes, governing involves tough choices, and I had to make more than a few. Today, almost 25 years later, I would make some different choices. Restricting Americans’ gun rights doesn’t make us safer, and threatens our constitutional freedoms. I was pleased by and support the Supreme Court’s decision in the District of Columbia vs. Heller -- a decision that embraced the notion that our Second Amendment rights are individual rights, not to be abridged by the government." The Mangoheads forgive The Mango for his positions favoring an assault-weapons ban during this era and won't forgive Weld. Total consistency, right? The "Christie is going to be Trump's VP--ZOMG!" thread makes it particularly laughable. Identical positions between the two Veeps. Identical. Who but The Mango and his Mangoheads could bring the two of us into such a semblance of alignment? Your refusal to fall under the Mango spell has massively changed my opinion of your consistency. Who could ever have predicted that a progressive Democrat from NYC could glamor so many "republicans" and "right-wingers" into thinking he was a Republican? He is, indeed, a master salesman. He pandered his way right into their panties. Nevertheless, this glamoring puts the final nail in the coffin of the "cm is TBK1's sock puppet" business. (Unless it really is you, and you are conducting some serious psyops by having cm act as your Mangohead doppelgänger.) |
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Then Weld addresses the controversy over his previous gun control positions: "I am a lifelong hunter and gun owner. In 1993, however, as Governor of Massachusetts, I went along with some modest restrictions on certain types of firearms. I was deeply concerned about gun violence, and frankly, the people I represented were demanding action. Sometimes, governing involves tough choices, and I had to make more than a few. Today, almost 25 years later, I would make some different choices. Restricting Americans’ gun rights doesn’t make us safer, and threatens our constitutional freedoms. I was pleased by and support the Supreme Court’s decision in the District of Columbia vs. Heller -- a decision that embraced the notion that our Second Amendment rights are individual rights, not to be abridged by the government." Quoted:
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Isn't the VP antigun? Then Weld addresses the controversy over his previous gun control positions: "I am a lifelong hunter and gun owner. In 1993, however, as Governor of Massachusetts, I went along with some modest restrictions on certain types of firearms. I was deeply concerned about gun violence, and frankly, the people I represented were demanding action. Sometimes, governing involves tough choices, and I had to make more than a few. Today, almost 25 years later, I would make some different choices. Restricting Americans’ gun rights doesn’t make us safer, and threatens our constitutional freedoms. I was pleased by and support the Supreme Court’s decision in the District of Columbia vs. Heller -- a decision that embraced the notion that our Second Amendment rights are individual rights, not to be abridged by the government." If he owned it and apologized for it, I don't see a problem. Trump has never admitted anything even though everyone who supports him knows he's a New York, former Democrat and a deal maker. |
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ahhhh he evolved
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Isn't the VP antigun? Then Weld addresses the controversy over his previous gun control positions: "I am a lifelong hunter and gun owner. In 1993, however, as Governor of Massachusetts, I went along with some modest restrictions on certain types of firearms. I was deeply concerned about gun violence, and frankly, the people I represented were demanding action. Sometimes, governing involves tough choices, and I had to make more than a few. Today, almost 25 years later, I would make some different choices. Restricting Americans’ gun rights doesn’t make us safer, and threatens our constitutional freedoms. I was pleased by and support the Supreme Court’s decision in the District of Columbia vs. Heller -- a decision that embraced the notion that our Second Amendment rights are individual rights, not to be abridged by the government." ahhhh he evolved
Kinda like Trump did, right? |
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Johnson/Weld are currently pulling more votes from Hillary than Trump. I don't want Hillary but I equally don't want Trump. It's like asking someone which knee they want shot in. Quoted:
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You want Hitlery? Because this is how you get Hitlery. I don't want Hillary but I equally don't want Trump. It's like asking someone which knee they want shot in. I don't want Trump... but I really don't want Hillary. |
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If he owned it and apologized for it, I don't see a problem. Trump has never admitted anything even though everyone who supports him knows he's a New York, former Democrat and a deal maker. Quoted:
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Isn't the VP antigun? Then Weld addresses the controversy over his previous gun control positions: "I am a lifelong hunter and gun owner. In 1993, however, as Governor of Massachusetts, I went along with some modest restrictions on certain types of firearms. I was deeply concerned about gun violence, and frankly, the people I represented were demanding action. Sometimes, governing involves tough choices, and I had to make more than a few. Today, almost 25 years later, I would make some different choices. Restricting Americans’ gun rights doesn’t make us safer, and threatens our constitutional freedoms. I was pleased by and support the Supreme Court’s decision in the District of Columbia vs. Heller -- a decision that embraced the notion that our Second Amendment rights are individual rights, not to be abridged by the government." If he owned it and apologized for it, I don't see a problem. Trump has never admitted anything even though everyone who supports him knows he's a New York, former Democrat and a deal maker. Kind of where my head is at. Also, when has a VP created policy in an administration? I will vote for Johnson, IMO, my vote does more good lending one tiny bit of credibility to the LP then it would being wasted by voting for Trump in a state (California) has zero chance in going to him in this election. ETA: If by some miracle polling indicated that Trump has a chance in CA, I would think long and hard about voting for him. But I am pretty confident that isn't going to happen. |
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You want Hitlery? Because this is how you get Hitlery. I don't want Hillary but I equally don't want Trump. It's like asking someone which knee they want shot in. Cite your source please. Interesting article. |
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LOL. The open borders comes after the dismantling of the welfare state. Quoted:
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Johnson is open borders scum. Weld is an antigun shitbag. Fuck both of them. LOL. The open borders comes after the dismantling of the welfare state. Guess what, they'll still come in by the bazillions and fuck this place up |
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Quoted: Guess what, they'll still come in by the bazillions and fuck this place up Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Johnson is open borders scum. Weld is an antigun shitbag. Fuck both of them. LOL. The open borders comes after the dismantling of the welfare state. Guess what, they'll still come in by the bazillions and fuck this place up Simple solution: Close the borders until the welfare state is dismantled. Are you pretending that the borders are currently other than wide open? |
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The timing is good. Like another poster said they have a real chance to take the LP into the mainstream.
Weld has a slightly spotty record on gun rights - hopefully they can realize that gun owners are a natural place where they align. If their poll numbers start to go up and it looks they stand a shot then I am voting Johnson/Weld. HOWEVER - aside from policy (where they are mostly right) they have some real issues. Like, do they actually want to win? The CNN Town Hall last week was atrocious. It was really bad for a number of reasons, confusing (like why were both of them presented, a team effort? WTF - only one of you is running for president), they didn't anticipate the questions about drug policy (duh), they fell into stupid reporter tricks from Chris Cuomo. They said nothing but nice things about their opponents (except Trump, whom they called a Huckster - which was really dumb). It was bad. This video is good on the other hand. We'll see. |
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This is the exact mentality that gets us candidates like Trump and Hillary If everyone who thought that way had the balls to vote for Johnson, he'd win. I'm voting for him. I almost always vote 3rd party, regardless of who the candidate is. Quoted:
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Just started seeing some promotion online for their 3rd Party run. I admit the video is pretty well done. IMO we can't risk a 3rd party vote right now because it might put Hitlery in office, but if these guys are to be taken at face value, I'm on board. What's the scoop on these guys? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9km5f9AhQAThis is the exact mentality that gets us candidates like Trump and Hillary If everyone who thought that way had the balls to vote for Johnson, he'd win. I'm voting for him. I almost always vote 3rd party, regardless of who the candidate is. And thirpers gonna thirp, regardless of who the GOP nominates. |
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And thirpers gonna thirp, regardless of who the GOP nominates. Quoted:
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Just started seeing some promotion online for their 3rd Party run. I admit the video is pretty well done. IMO we can't risk a 3rd party vote right now because it might put Hitlery in office, but if these guys are to be taken at face value, I'm on board. What's the scoop on these guys? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9km5f9AhQAThis is the exact mentality that gets us candidates like Trump and Hillary If everyone who thought that way had the balls to vote for Johnson, he'd win. I'm voting for him. I almost always vote 3rd party, regardless of who the candidate is. And thirpers gonna thirp, regardless of who the GOP nominates. I would have voted for Cruz. It would have been the first time I'd have voted for a Republican president (didnt vote for McCain or Romney). |
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Then Weld addresses the controversy over his previous gun control positions: "I am a lifelong hunter and gun owner. In 1993, however, as Governor of Massachusetts, I went along with some modest restrictions on certain types of firearms. I was deeply concerned about gun violence, and frankly, the people I represented were demanding action. Sometimes, governing involves tough choices, and I had to make more than a few. Today, almost 25 years later, I would make some different choices. Restricting Americans’ gun rights doesn’t make us safer, and threatens our constitutional freedoms. I was pleased by and support the Supreme Court’s decision in the District of Columbia vs. Heller -- a decision that embraced the notion that our Second Amendment rights are individual rights, not to be abridged by the government." Quoted:
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Isn't the VP antigun? Then Weld addresses the controversy over his previous gun control positions: "I am a lifelong hunter and gun owner. In 1993, however, as Governor of Massachusetts, I went along with some modest restrictions on certain types of firearms. I was deeply concerned about gun violence, and frankly, the people I represented were demanding action. Sometimes, governing involves tough choices, and I had to make more than a few. Today, almost 25 years later, I would make some different choices. Restricting Americans’ gun rights doesn’t make us safer, and threatens our constitutional freedoms. I was pleased by and support the Supreme Court’s decision in the District of Columbia vs. Heller -- a decision that embraced the notion that our Second Amendment rights are individual rights, not to be abridged by the government." Except 2 months ago he was on Jake Tappers show and doubled down on derp saying if it's a hunting gun it's ok, but if it doesn't serve a hunting purpose he's ok banning it.
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Isn't the VP antigun? Then Weld addresses the controversy over his previous gun control positions: "I am a lifelong hunter and gun owner. In 1993, however, as Governor of Massachusetts, I went along with some modest restrictions on certain types of firearms. I was deeply concerned about gun violence, and frankly, the people I represented were demanding action. Sometimes, governing involves tough choices, and I had to make more than a few. Today, almost 25 years later, I would make some different choices. Restricting Americans’ gun rights doesn’t make us safer, and threatens our constitutional freedoms. I was pleased by and support the Supreme Court’s decision in the District of Columbia vs. Heller -- a decision that embraced the notion that our Second Amendment rights are individual rights, not to be abridged by the government." ahhhh he evolved
At least he doesn't evolve through several positions during the course of one speech, like Trump. And the Veep doesn't set the agenda. |