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Posted: 6/11/2020 10:13:15 PM EDT
 WWSD2020 Polymer Lower Update @SinistralRifleman SOON!  ETA: 18 June announcement in next post. |
 Update on WWSD2020 (What Would Stoner Do) Project |
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Quoted: Literally have zero intrest in this rifle. Especially now that it's come out that Karl has aligned himself with pinko commie scum. What would Stoner do? These rumors keep going around but no one ever gives a cite. It was rumored that Ian was Antifastan's security director. He's not. Karl is a Satanist. That doesn't make him Antifa. |
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~90 for a stripped lower, ~160 for complete with vanilla parts. ~1700 for a complete rifle. Honestly, a lot less then I'd have thought. I'm in for a stripped lower, for sure. Kudos to KE for putting the time and effort into the tooling and bringing this style of lower back. I suspect he's severely understating the headache that came with developing it. Just getting a mold engineer who wouldn't ick out at the thought of working on a gun project was probably a real coup. I hope they sell enough to wear that tool right out. |
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Quoted: These rumors keep going around but no one ever gives a cite. I think he refers to the anti-white racist #amplifymelanatedvoices campaign that Karl supports. This thing: Attached File |
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Quoted: Who is this Carl person? Karl and Ian are partners in Inrange TV. That led to the What Would Stoner Do 2017 project, after which led to GWACS running out of lowers. They didn't have the cash for a new mold, so they folded. Our own SinistralRifleman came up w/ a new design that he named the KE Arms Mk3. Karl and Ian are shooting partners of his, the three partnered w/ Brownell's, hence the WWSD2020 rifle. |
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Quoted: I think he refers to anti-white racist #amplifymelanatedvoices campaign that Karl supports. This thing: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/304912/364E1F54-D763-4FA7-9F2F-4F3BB90E4BF4_jpe-1444171.JPG I don't see suspending a channel for a week as pinko, but you do you. |
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Quoted: No thanks. There are, IMHO, no advantages to making a lower from polymer. If an aluminum lower is too heavy for you, then you need to hit the gym. This is where I'm at. We've got aluminum lowers under $50 and already light as hell, so I don't understand the attraction. |
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Quoted: No thanks. There are, IMHO, no advantages to making a lower from polymer. If an aluminum lower is too heavy for you, then you need to hit the gym. I built rifles on Cav Arms lowers for my four kids; with a pencil barrel it really keeps the weight down enough that they aren't fighting the weight as much. |
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Quoted: I built rifles on Cav Arms lowers for my four kids; with a pencil barrel it really keeps the weight down enough that they aren't fighting the weight as much. Quoted: Quoted: No thanks. There are, IMHO, no advantages to making a lower from polymer. If an aluminum lower is too heavy for you, then you need to hit the gym. I built rifles on Cav Arms lowers for my four kids; with a pencil barrel it really keeps the weight down enough that they aren't fighting the weight as much. |
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Quoted: I think he refers to the anti-white racist #amplifymelanatedvoices campaign that Karl supports. This thing: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/304912/364E1F54-D763-4FA7-9F2F-4F3BB90E4BF4_jpe-1444171.JPG Quoted: Quoted: These rumors keep going around but no one ever gives a cite. I think he refers to the anti-white racist #amplifymelanatedvoices campaign that Karl supports. This thing: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/304912/364E1F54-D763-4FA7-9F2F-4F3BB90E4BF4_jpe-1444171.JPG That can't not be a troll hash tag. We sure he wasn't just taking a convenient vacation? |
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Quoted: I want one so bad. Alas I have two complete receiver sets sitting at home right now so I'll probably hold off for a bit. OD Green would be a great color option to add as well... hint hint. Yes! I always wanted an OD Cav Arms lower. Black,not so much.I have a few already. |
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Quoted: That can't not be a troll hash tag. We sure he wasn't just taking a convenient vacation? Read the thread here I linked. Or for TL/DR: That was a campaign for SJWs by two anti-white ultrafeminist whatever ladies. If you took part, you either indicated that you belong to the social justice movement or at the very least support it. The premise was that as a white SJW, you are still not pure enough if you post supporting BLM and decry so called injustices to blacks. It's still white priviledge. According to the “shut up whitey” campaign you could only be virtuous if you banned yourself (for a week), banned all your white contacts (muted them in IG) and instead reposted only messages from black SJWs for a week. That's the gist of it. And he supported it. And somehow deviantollam (a known leftist activist and supposedly Karl's friend) and a bunch of other pinkos argued for 8 pages that the #muted campaign somehow wasn't SJW propaganda. Which it was. |
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Quoted: Read the thread here I linked. Or for TL/DR: That was a campaign for SJWs by two anti-white ultrafeminist whatever ladies. If you took part, you either indicated that you belong to the social justice movement or at the very least support it. The premise was that as a white SJW, you are still not pure enough if you post supporting BLM and decry so called injustices to blacks. It's still white priviledge. According to the “shut up whitey” campaign you could only be virtuous if you banned yourself (for a week), banned all your white contacts (muted them in IG) and instead reposted only messages from black SJWs for a week. That's the gist of it. And he supported it. And somehow deviantollam (a known leftist activist and supposedly Karl's friend) and a bunch of other pinkos argued for 8 pages that the #muted campaign somehow wasn't SJW propaganda. Which it was. Yep. I like InRange's content, but I stopped my Patreon contributions after that. |
| I remember hearing about these and had no idea who was behind it. However, I still don't see the appeal. Is it just that its cheaper to buy a pre-made unit vs assembling your own? Is it a weight savings? I know prices have gone up recently due to the Cov and Boog, but before that AR's were the cheapest they had ever been. What problem was this solution trying to solve? |
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Quoted: I remember hearing about these and had no idea who was behind it. However, I still don't see the appeal. Is it just that its cheaper to buy a pre-made unit vs assembling your own? Is it a weight savings? I know prices have gone up recently due to the Cov and Boog, but before that AR's were the cheapest they had ever been. What problem was this solution trying to solve? IIRC a complete CAV / GWIZ / BroKE15 lower is 1 pound lighter than an aluminum lower with A2 stock. Or at least I remember reading that way back in the Cavarms days like 15 years ago. |
Well, I'm interested. I've been a fan of the Cav Arms lower since the Mark I and I have a GWACS made Mark II long before they did the WWSD project. Built it up into different setups over the years but my favorite is my A2 Midlength Lightweight Carbine. It is staying at that.  |
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Quoted: I remember hearing about these and had no idea who was behind it. However, I still don't see the appeal. Is it just that its cheaper to buy a pre-made unit vs assembling your own? Is it a weight savings? I know prices have gone up recently due to the Cov and Boog, but before that AR's were the cheapest they had ever been. What problem was this solution trying to solve? |
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Quoted: Literally have zero intrest in this rifle. Especially now that it's come out that Karl has aligned himself with pinko commie scum. What would Stoner do? Quoted: Literally have zero intrest in this rifle. Especially now that it's come out that Karl has aligned himself with pinko commie scum. What would Stoner do? Same. He already annoyed me some in videos, but that post ended it for me. The hashtag is what really threw me off. He jumped on this movement faster than some of my over-privileged 18yo cousins did Quoted: Who is this Carl person? Guntuber turned BLM activist |
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Quoted: Same. He already annoyed me some in videos, but that post ended it for me. The hashtag is what really threw me off. He jumped on this movement faster than some of my over-privileged 18yo cousins did Guntuber turned BLM activist Quoted: Quoted: Literally have zero intrest in this rifle. Especially now that it's come out that Karl has aligned himself with pinko commie scum. What would Stoner do? Same. He already annoyed me some in videos, but that post ended it for me. The hashtag is what really threw me off. He jumped on this movement faster than some of my over-privileged 18yo cousins did Quoted: Who is this Carl person? Guntuber turned BLM activist Meh I'm not a fan of Karl but I see this as something different. I think I might still be down for a lower purchased directly through Brownell's. |
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Quoted: ~90 for a stripped lower, ~160 for complete with vanilla parts. ~1700 for a complete rifle. Honestly, a lot less then I'd have thought. I'm in for a stripped lower, for sure. Kudos to KE for putting the time and effort into the tooling and bringing this style of lower back. I suspect he's severely understating the headache that came with developing it. Just getting a mold engineer who wouldn't ick out at the thought of working on a gun project was probably a real coup. I hope they sell enough to wear that tool right out. It's almost like Russell has over 20 years working in the gun business and specifically with the Cav style lower. He might know some of the people who do plastic work in the business. Just maybe. |
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Quoted: IIRC a complete CAV / GWIZ / BroKE15 lower is 1 pound lighter than an aluminum lower with A2 stock. Or at least I remember reading that way back in the Cavarms days like 15 years ago. Quoted: Quoted: I remember hearing about these and had no idea who was behind it. However, I still don't see the appeal. Is it just that its cheaper to buy a pre-made unit vs assembling your own? Is it a weight savings? I know prices have gone up recently due to the Cov and Boog, but before that AR's were the cheapest they had ever been. What problem was this solution trying to solve? IIRC a complete CAV / GWIZ / BroKE15 lower is 1 pound lighter than an aluminum lower with A2 stock. Or at least I remember reading that way back in the Cavarms days like 15 years ago. That is true. You can get it lighter making some changes using lightweight parts in an aluminum receiver. But this is a better polymer lower solution. As it's stronger at the place most poly lowers fail. |
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Quoted: With superior Forged aluminum lowers selling for as low as $39 and A2 stock sets available, Why should anyone care?? For the consumer it is actually cheaper. $89 for a KE-15 polymer lower is the cheaper then your $39 forging, plus a $50 stock/receiver extension and $15 grip/screw. It actually comes out as cheaper and lighter. |
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I like the idea, and the time and effort they are putting into it, but.... Ian is in a black Hawaiian Shirt, and the other guy has a Karen Haircut. What kind of customer service will you get when you ask to speak to the manager, and Karen answers? Kidding, just kidding. |
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Quoted: What does the fire control pocket look like? Hopefully they maximized the weight savings. It did sound like there were some concerns in that area. Also I think they did mention this one may be a bit heavier than the older versions in previous videos. As they added qd pockets and what not. If I find out a boogle won't fit. I'm out. |
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Quoted: Yep. I like InRange's content, but I stopped my Patreon contributions after that. Quoted: Quoted: Read the thread here I linked. Or for TL/DR: That was a campaign for SJWs by two anti-white ultrafeminist whatever ladies. If you took part, you either indicated that you belong to the social justice movement or at the very least support it. The premise was that as a white SJW, you are still not pure enough if you post supporting BLM and decry so called injustices to blacks. It's still white priviledge. According to the “shut up whitey” campaign you could only be virtuous if you banned yourself (for a week), banned all your white contacts (muted them in IG) and instead reposted only messages from black SJWs for a week. That's the gist of it. And he supported it. And somehow deviantollam (a known leftist activist and supposedly Karl's friend) and a bunch of other pinkos argued for 8 pages that the #muted campaign somehow wasn't SJW propaganda. Which it was. Yep. I like InRange's content, but I stopped my Patreon contributions after that. ITT we will see the OP not read this and still white knight for Karl. Coincidence that he spells it the same way Karl Marx did? NOPE! |
| Hopefully Ian will realize that throwing in with certain people is damaging to his brand. Even libertarians that fully support Karl's ability to be a troll believe in choosing personal associations in accordance with personal values and consequences in business for personal actions and behavior. I'm out. Too bad two decent guys fucked their branding by throwing in with someone I find distasteful. |