Posted: 4/1/2013 4:18:46 AM EDT
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I know there is quite a following for kegging your home brew. I have been bottling to this point but saw a deal on used 5 gallon corny kegs today.
I have just started looking up info on how to keg, co2 use, carbonating, etc and it feels kind of daunting. I'm sure its not as complicated as it seems to me right now but if I am going to drop $200 + on keg stuff, I need some kind of 'How to' that is dummy proof so that I can wrap my head around it. I am pretty convinced to start kegging by my last weekends escapades of bottling 30 gallons at one time. 
Any good links, info, videos, etc would be greatly appreciated. 
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kegging is not that daunting. It's a big hit in the beginning but it saves tons of time in the long run and there's nothing like dri nking your beer the next day instead of waiting two weeks for carbonation.
I've been brewing since the '70's but have done nothing for the past 10 years. I was married to an alcoholic and gave brewing up and moved to roasting coffee. I sold all my equipment so it's been a while. After gathering the kegs, fridge, gas tank and regulator the toughest part is "balancing the system". That has to do with pressure drop over the length of your beer line so that there is just about zero pressure when it gets to the tap. When properly balanced, you will not have more head than beer and yet your beer will be perfectly carbonated. You should google balancing a keg system or something like that, there are great articles out there. The scary part is drilling holes in your fridge. The door is no big deal, be careful on the sides and back as that is where the coolant lines are. I drilled a 1/2 inch hole in the side of my fridge so I could keep the CO2 tank outside. I was able to fit 6 kegs in my fridge so I drilled a second hole for a CO2/ Nitrogen mix and added a stout tap. MMMMM good times! |
You bottled 30 gallons at one time. You obviously hate yourself very deeply for one reason or another. It's actually pretty easy on a homebrew level to keg. Are you looking to piece this together yourself or will you be buying a kit from a shop? I bought a kit from KegCowboy and it was decent. Came with taps, regulator, CO2 tank and 4 kegs. Putting it together yourself would save some money but I didn't feel like it at the time. An easy way to carbonate through kegging is to turn up the regulator to about 30PSI on a full keg and leave it for 2-3 days. Then back it down to serving pressure, which is roughly 10-12 PSI. Another thing you will need to look in to is way to keep it all cold. A keezer is one route. Look up on HBT to see the multitude of ways you can build these. You will be there for awhile.  The thing I hate the most is cleaning them. Unfortunately I don't have a utility sink in my garage so I can't easily clean them. That means I'm out back with a hose in the summer or in the kitchen with kegs during the winter. One of the other users on here drop a nice little tip to just use an empty keg filled with cleaner, pressurize it, and then flow your cleaning solution through your taps. I'm assuming the same thing can be used for sanitizer as well. Here is a link to a beer line cleaner someone built that eliminate the need to use a keg for this. http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f51/diy-beer-line-cleaner-226497/ |
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Yeah, have to have all sorts of dedicated stuff for kegging, it is really nice though and gives you a bunch of flexibility (no worries about natural carbing, yeast/sugar/temp, etc!)
Watch out for leaks, I tried to start with normal tubing and hose clamps from the HW store, and could not get it to not leak a little, so I kept it up enough to carb and then have hooked it up when needed since...I now have some good beverage tubing and oetiker clamps, but have not got around to making that work yet. See if you can just cut a hole in the fridge insulation/weatherstrip if you want too, can always re-fill it with silicone and use wax paper for release if you want to close it up again? (that is my plan anyway, I have an old fridge and don't care). |
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You bottled 30 gallons at one time. You obviously hate yourself very deeply for one reason or another.[img]http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/smiley_abused.gif[/img] It's actually pretty easy on a homebrew level to keg. Are you looking to piece this together yourself or will you be buying a kit from a shop? I bought a kit from KegCowboy and it was decent. Came with taps, regulator, CO2 tank and 4 kegs. Putting it together yourself would save some money but I didn't feel like it at the time. An easy way to carbonate through kegging is to turn up the regulator to about 30PSI on a full keg and leave it for 2-3 days. Then back it down to serving pressure, which is roughly 10-12 PSI. Another thing you will need to look in to is way to keep it all cold. A keezer is one route. Look up on HBT to see the multitude of ways you can build these. You will be there for awhile.[img]http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/icon_smile_big.gif[/img] The thing I hate the most is cleaning them. Unfortunately I don't have a utility sink in my garage so I can't easily clean them. That means I'm out back with a hose in the summer or in the kitchen with kegs during the winter. One of the other users on here drop a nice little tip to just use an empty keg filled with cleaner, pressurize it, and then flow your cleaning solution through your taps. I'm assuming the same thing can be used for sanitizer as well. Here is a link to a beer line cleaner someone built that eliminate the need to use a keg for this. http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f51/diy-beer-line-cleaner-226497/ By the end of the day, I felt like jumping off my roof. It was horrible.
Thank you for the information. The deal from Adventures in homebrewing was for kegs only. I will need to get the rest of the stuff myself. |
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Kegging is sooo much easier then bottling. Just from a sanitation standpoint, it is much easier to sanitize one 5 gallon keg then 40 or 50 bottles. When I started brewing I think I brewed maybe 10 batches before I switched to kegging. Ive probably done that many batches too. It can be a pain in the ass. |
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Kegs are easy. I have (I think) 4 or 5 kegs now
Sanitation is important but easy. Rinse all the chunks out of the keg with hot water. When it looks clean, mix up a 5 gal batch of PBW inside the keg. Invest in the sockets you'll need to remove the gas and beer posts (I can check on the sizes when I get home). Remove the gas tube and put all the small hardware including lid in a bowl with PBW. Let it sit for 30 minutes or so. Get your next keg ready and siphon the PBW into it... repeat the process until all kegs are clean. Make sure to rinse them well. On the last keg, I pressurize it and clean out my dispensing lines. They get rinsed too. Repeat the process with Starsan. Reassemble and pressurize to 10 PSI or so. Then you can store the empty sanitized keg until you're ready. When you're ready, open the lid and siphon the beer in. Put the lid back on, crank the pressure up to 30 PSI (or whatever your volume calculations tell you) and shake the hell out of the keg. Repeat shaking and adjusting PSI as necessary for a few hours. After 12 hours or so, put in the fridge. The next day, turn off the gas, pull the pressure release valve, turn the gas back on to 10 PSI or so (dispensing pressure depends on the type of beer and how many kegs you have connected). My setup has a regulator going to a manifold that supports up to 3 kegs. |
| Easy peasy OP...do you have room for a spare fridge/chest freezer? If so, there are tons of videos out there on how to convert and kits to go from nothing with spare fridge/freezer to man-cave kegarator in a few hours. Costs outside the fridge/freezer will run $200 or so in parts for a coupe of taps which I highly recommend as the minimum. Ideally get a chest freezer and a temp controller so you can lager a batch or two while having draft beer. |
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Easy peasy OP...do you have room for a spare fridge/chest freezer? If so, there are tons of videos out there on how to convert and kits to go from nothing with spare fridge/freezer to man-cave kegarator in a few hours. Costs outside the fridge/freezer will run $200 or so in parts for a coupe of taps which I highly recommend as the minimum. Ideally get a chest freezer and a temp controller so you can lager a batch or two while having draft beer. Or do what I did - rip all the drawers out of your kitchen fridge and put the kegs in there
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How many kegs do you plan on having? The deal is for 4 of them (ball lock with pressure release valve) for $180. Looked around at average pricing and it seems pretty decent. Now I will just need all the hoses and stuff. But I have plenty of time for that because I am brewing 2 Belgian strong ales and a porter this weekend and they all take around 4-6 weeks in the bucket. |
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Easy peasy OP...do you have room for a spare fridge/chest freezer? If so, there are tons of videos out there on how to convert and kits to go from nothing with spare fridge/freezer to man-cave kegarator in a few hours. Costs outside the fridge/freezer will run $200 or so in parts for a coupe of taps which I highly recommend as the minimum. Ideally get a chest freezer and a temp controller so you can lager a batch or two while having draft beer. Or do what I did - rip all the drawers out of your kitchen fridge and put the kegs in there That, Sir, would get me murdered in my sleep.
We do need a new fridge. Our current one works but the freezer is acting up lately. I could use the actual fridge part for kegs and not worry about the freezer. Get a new fridge for the kitchen and good to go. |
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How many kegs do you plan on having? The deal is for 4 of them (ball lock with pressure release valve) for $180. Looked around at average pricing and it seems pretty decent. Now I will just need all the hoses and stuff. But I have plenty of time for that because I am brewing 2 Belgian strong ales and a porter this weekend and they all take around 4-6 weeks in the bucket. Adventures in Homebrewing I take it? I saw that deal and it's a damn good one for anyone in the market. Yea, I get the promo emails from them. Good company! |
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Easy peasy OP...do you have room for a spare fridge/chest freezer? If so, there are tons of videos out there on how to convert and kits to go from nothing with spare fridge/freezer to man-cave kegarator in a few hours. Costs outside the fridge/freezer will run $200 or so in parts for a coupe of taps which I highly recommend as the minimum. Ideally get a chest freezer and a temp controller so you can lager a batch or two while having draft beer. Or do what I did - rip all the drawers out of your kitchen fridge and put the kegs in there That, Sir, would get me murdered in my sleep.
We do need a new fridge. Our current one works but the freezer is acting up lately. I could use the actual fridge part for kegs and not worry about the freezer. Get a new fridge for the kitchen and good to go. Sounds like you've got a plan and knowing is half the battle....Yo Joe! 
Make sure your current unit doesn't have any refrigerant lines in the door (you shouldn't) but double-cheek your model. I will say you can buy an older chest freezer on Craigslist all day long for $75-$100, you may have to break out the hazmat suit to clean it and getting it home can be a bitch but that's the better way to go. |
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Easy peasy OP...do you have room for a spare fridge/chest freezer? If so, there are tons of videos out there on how to convert and kits to go from nothing with spare fridge/freezer to man-cave kegarator in a few hours. Costs outside the fridge/freezer will run $200 or so in parts for a coupe of taps which I highly recommend as the minimum. Ideally get a chest freezer and a temp controller so you can lager a batch or two while having draft beer. Or do what I did - rip all the drawers out of your kitchen fridge and put the kegs in there That, Sir, would get me murdered in my sleep.
We do need a new fridge. Our current one works but the freezer is acting up lately. I could use the actual fridge part for kegs and not worry about the freezer. Get a new fridge for the kitchen and good to go. Sounds like you've got a plan and knowing is half the battle....Yo Joe!
Make sure your current unit doesn't have any refrigerant lines in the door (you shouldn't) but double-cheek your model. I will say you can buy an older chest freezer on Craigslist all day long for $75-$100, you may have to break out the hazmat suit to clean it and getting it home can be a bitch but that's the better way to go. Yea, I was looking on CL today and found several in my area. May work out better if I do that. I have seen plans online for a segregated keg area and fermentation chamber. Pretty much they had a temp controller, a ceramic heat lamp for lizards, and the freezer sectioned off with insulation board. The fermentation chamber part was kept at 67-70f and the side with the kegs and taps was kept serving temp. That would get me thru some of the hotter months without having to put brewing on hold. |
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Easy peasy OP...do you have room for a spare fridge/chest freezer? If so, there are tons of videos out there on how to convert and kits to go from nothing with spare fridge/freezer to man-cave kegarator in a few hours. Costs outside the fridge/freezer will run $200 or so in parts for a coupe of taps which I highly recommend as the minimum. Ideally get a chest freezer and a temp controller so you can lager a batch or two while having draft beer. Or do what I did - rip all the drawers out of your kitchen fridge and put the kegs in there That, Sir, would get me murdered in my sleep.
We do need a new fridge. Our current one works but the freezer is acting up lately. I could use the actual fridge part for kegs and not worry about the freezer. Get a new fridge for the kitchen and good to go. Sounds like you've got a plan and knowing is half the battle....Yo Joe!
Make sure your current unit doesn't have any refrigerant lines in the door (you shouldn't) but double-cheek your model. I will say you can buy an older chest freezer on Craigslist all day long for $75-$100, you may have to break out the hazmat suit to clean it and getting it home can be a bitch but that's the better way to go. Yea, I was looking on CL today and found several in my area. May work out better if I do that. I have seen plans online for a segregated keg area and fermentation chamber. Pretty much they had a temp controller, a ceramic heat lamp for lizards, and the freezer sectioned off with insulation board. The fermentation chamber part was kept at 67-70f and the side with the kegs and taps was kept serving temp. That would get me thru some of the hotter months without having to put brewing on hold. I went to a setup like this about two years ago from just a stand-alone kegarator. My advise is not to cheap out on temp controller, get a good one. The Johnson Controls A419 is the mainstay in the home brewer market but at $80 new it can be pricy, however it's MUCH easier on your compressor than some of the cheaper units out there. Seems like it's buy once, cry once... Also, spend a little bit on good quality taps like the Peerless or Perle's..... |
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Easy peasy OP...do you have room for a spare fridge/chest freezer? If so, there are tons of videos out there on how to convert and kits to go from nothing with spare fridge/freezer to man-cave kegarator in a few hours. Costs outside the fridge/freezer will run $200 or so in parts for a coupe of taps which I highly recommend as the minimum. Ideally get a chest freezer and a temp controller so you can lager a batch or two while having draft beer. Or do what I did - rip all the drawers out of your kitchen fridge and put the kegs in there That, Sir, would get me murdered in my sleep.
We do need a new fridge. Our current one works but the freezer is acting up lately. I could use the actual fridge part for kegs and not worry about the freezer. Get a new fridge for the kitchen and good to go. Sounds like you've got a plan and knowing is half the battle....Yo Joe!
Make sure your current unit doesn't have any refrigerant lines in the door (you shouldn't) but double-cheek your model. I will say you can buy an older chest freezer on Craigslist all day long for $75-$100, you may have to break out the hazmat suit to clean it and getting it home can be a bitch but that's the better way to go. Yea, I was looking on CL today and found several in my area. May work out better if I do that. I have seen plans online for a segregated keg area and fermentation chamber. Pretty much they had a temp controller, a ceramic heat lamp for lizards, and the freezer sectioned off with insulation board. The fermentation chamber part was kept at 67-70f and the side with the kegs and taps was kept serving temp. That would get me thru some of the hotter months without having to put brewing on hold. I went to a setup like this about two years ago from just a stand-alone kegarator. My advise is not to cheap out on temp controller, get a good one. The Johnson Controls A419 is the mainstay in the home brewer market but at $80 new it can be pricy, however it's MUCH easier on your compressor than some of the cheaper units out there. Seems like it's buy once, cry once... Also, spend a little bit on good quality taps like the Peerless or Perle's..... Got it. Thank you. That's what I was looking for was good/proven gear that I wont have to rebuy every two months. |
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Order has shipped and will be here Thursday. I also won a 20lb refurbished Co2 tank on ebay for a really good price (from my perusing of similar products online) that will get here on Monday. I still have about 4-6 weeks to get the rest of the stuff as I am only brewing the beer that will go in them on Saturday.
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Ok, so, Where do I get Co2 for this thing?
I looked up Co2 and have been pointed to Harbor Freight by google maps but is there a different 'grade' of Co2 that I need for beer? Not sure if there is 'industrial co2' and 'food grade co2' or something to that effect. Thank you. |
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Ok, so, Where do I get Co2 for this thing? I looked up Co2 and have been pointed to Harbor Freight by google maps but is there a different 'grade' of Co2 that I need for beer? Not sure if there is 'industrial co2' and 'food grade co2' or something to that effect. Thank you. I think a local welding shop would be your best bet... I don't think there is a difference. BTW, remember to watch that pressure gage daily, see if you are leaking! Don't want to have a leak empty your whole tank. |
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Ok, so, Where do I get Co2 for this thing? I looked up Co2 and have been pointed to Harbor Freight by google maps but is there a different 'grade' of Co2 that I need for beer? Not sure if there is 'industrial co2' and 'food grade co2' or something to that effect. Thank you. I think a local welding shop would be your best bet... I don't think there is a difference. BTW, remember to watch that pressure gage daily, see if you are leaking! Don't want to have a leak empty your whole tank. Gotcha. Thank you. There were some rambling posts on the interwebs about medical grade Co2 and food grade Co2. Just wanted to make sure of what most people were using.
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Ok, so, Where do I get Co2 for this thing? I looked up Co2 and have been pointed to Harbor Freight by google maps but is there a different 'grade' of Co2 that I need for beer? Not sure if there is 'industrial co2' and 'food grade co2' or something to that effect. Thank you. I think a local welding shop would be your best bet... I don't think there is a difference. BTW, remember to watch that pressure gage daily, see if you are leaking! Don't want to have a leak empty your whole tank. Gotcha. Thank you. There were some rambling posts on the interwebs about medical grade Co2 and food grade Co2. Just wanted to make sure of what most people were using. I knew there was a difference with oxygen (not that matters in brewing, though), but not CO2...I'm sure its been beat to death somewhere on the internet though :) |
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Keg Wrench: http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f35/corny-post-wrench-sears-120390/ Keg Cleaner: http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f51/keg-carboy-washer-yes-another-232895/ Both will make your life a lot simpler. |
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Ok, so, Where do I get Co2 for this thing? I looked up Co2 and have been pointed to Harbor Freight by google maps but is there a different 'grade' of Co2 that I need for beer? Not sure if there is 'industrial co2' and 'food grade co2' or something to that effect. Thank you. Local Homebrew shop is where I get mine or a place that sales paintball supplies. |
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Ok, so, Where do I get Co2 for this thing? I looked up Co2 and have been pointed to Harbor Freight by google maps but is there a different 'grade' of Co2 that I need for beer? Not sure if there is 'industrial co2' and 'food grade co2' or something to that effect. Thank you. Local Homebrew shop is where I get mine or a place that sales paintball supplies. There's a welding & medical gas supply place near me that I go to. They do tank swaps only though... I had just bought a brand new shiny tank and they swapped it for an old scraped up one. Not that it makes any difference whatsoever... I just liked the one I bought
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Ok, so, Where do I get Co2 for this thing? I looked up Co2 and have been pointed to Harbor Freight by google maps but is there a different 'grade' of Co2 that I need for beer? Not sure if there is 'industrial co2' and 'food grade co2' or something to that effect. Thank you. Local Homebrew shop is where I get mine or a place that sales paintball supplies. There's a welding & medical gas supply place near me that I go to. They do tank swaps only though... I had just bought a brand new shiny tank and they swapped it for an old scraped up one. Not that it makes any difference whatsoever... I just liked the one I bought Thank you all for the advice and links. The kegs arrived yesterday along with a Cascade hop rhizome and the ingredients for the first beer that will be kegged: 
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Ok, so, Where do I get Co2 for this thing? I looked up Co2 and have been pointed to Harbor Freight by google maps but is there a different 'grade' of Co2 that I need for beer? Not sure if there is 'industrial co2' and 'food grade co2' or something to that effect. Thank you. Look up "roberts oxygen" or Airgas (airgas is expensive) and they will swap your tank, even if its out of date for a few $ extra. It was around $22 at Roberts in springfield,va last time I swapped a 20#er. a 5# tank was like 20. I know, pretty silly how the price is roughly the same. |
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Ok, so, Where do I get Co2 for this thing? I looked up Co2 and have been pointed to Harbor Freight by google maps but is there a different 'grade' of Co2 that I need for beer? Not sure if there is 'industrial co2' and 'food grade co2' or something to that effect. Thank you. Look up "roberts oxygen" or Airgas (airgas is expensive) and they will swap your tank, even if its out of date for a few $ extra. It was around $22 at Roberts in springfield,va last time I swapped a 20#er. a 5# tank was like 20. I know, pretty silly how the price is roughly the same. Thank you very much for that! I will look them up today.
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How many kegs do you plan on having? The deal is for 4 of them (ball lock with pressure release valve) for $180. Looked around at average pricing and it seems pretty decent. Now I will just need all the hoses and stuff. But I have plenty of time for that because I am brewing 2 Belgian strong ales and a porter this weekend and they all take around 4-6 weeks in the bucket. HOLY CRAP 
I have 21 corney kegs, including 1 3 gal and 2 2.5 gal. Now granted I purchased all my equipment about 8 years ago, but the most I paid for any kegs was 4 for $80 delivered to my door. Most of them were purchased for less than $15, and some for less than $10. Looks like I should have invested in Corney kegs, I could have tripled my money in 8 years. 
I would add, that unless it is a space problem, to look for a used 20 lb CO2 tank. Some gas suppliers will 'rent' tanks. Some will sell only, you then exchange for refills. If you buy a new shiny aluminum tank, be sure you can find a gas supplier that will refill your tank rather than exchange. Nothing like going in with a brand new AL tank and coming out with a trashed steel one that weighs more empty that the AL weighs full. 
But , once you have all the equipment required for kegging and serving you will never go back. BTW you can get come pretty good deals on used fridges and freezers on Craigs list etc. I have 2. The one that is a 40 or 50 years old HotPoint (works fine BTW even the freezer) is used as a controlled fermentation chamber using 2 Johnson Controls A419 digital controllers. Either to control ferm temps for Lagers from 60* down to freezing, or heat in the winter by adding a 60 Watt light bulb. To start you don't really need to add taps to the front of a fridge or build a keezer, start with the cobra taps, and once the beer is carbonated, just hit it with gas when the pressure gets low. Look around locally long enough, and you can find good deals on items that you need. See if there is a local brew club. They can not only be a wealth of information, but can point you to good equipment deals as well. Whenever someone asks me how hard is it to brew your own beer, I always give the same answer: It's as hard or easy as you want to make it. 
I can make 10 gallons of beer for about $12, but it cost me about a grand and several years to get there. 
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How many kegs do you plan on having? The deal is for 4 of them (ball lock with pressure release valve) for $180. Looked around at average pricing and it seems pretty decent. Now I will just need all the hoses and stuff. But I have plenty of time for that because I am brewing 2 Belgian strong ales and a porter this weekend and they all take around 4-6 weeks in the bucket. HOLY CRAP
I have 21 corney kegs, including 1 3 gal and 2 2.5 gal. Now granted I purchased all my equipment about 8 years ago, but the most I paid for any kegs was 4 for $80 delivered to my door. Most of them were purchased for less than $15, and some for less than $10. Looks like I should have invested in Corney kegs, I could have tripled my money in 8 years.
I would add, that unless it is a space problem, to look for a used 20 lb CO2 tank. Some gas suppliers will 'rent' tanks. Some will sell only, you then exchange for refills. If you buy a new shiny aluminum tank, be sure you can find a gas supplier that will refill your tank rather than exchange. Nothing like going in with a brand new AL tank and coming out with a trashed steel one that weighs more empty that the AL weighs full.
But , once you have all the equipment required for kegging and serving you will never go back. BTW you can get come pretty good deals on used fridges and freezers on Craigs list etc. I have 2. The one that is a 40 or 50 years old HotPoint (works fine BTW even the freezer) is used as a controlled fermentation chamber using 2 Johnson Controls A419 digital controllers. Either to control ferm temps for Lagers from 60* down to freezing, or heat in the winter by adding a 60 Watt light bulb. To start you don't really need to add taps to the front of a fridge or build a keezer, start with the cobra taps, and once the beer is carbonated, just hit it with gas when the pressure gets low. Look around locally long enough, and you can find good deals on items that you need. See if there is a local brew club. They can not only be a wealth of information, but can point you to good equipment deals as well. Whenever someone asks me how hard is it to brew your own beer, I always give the same answer: It's as hard or easy as you want to make it.
I can make 10 gallons of beer for about $12, but it cost me about a grand and several years to get there.
Happy Brewing! Thank you for all the info. Sounds like you missed the boat on the Keg panic
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When you're looking for a frig think about where the taps will be.
If you get one with the freezer on top they will be rather low. Here's mine, its a side by side and I have the co2 outside. With 4 kegs in the bottom I still can use some of the shelves. My friend has one with the freezer in the bottom and he can fit 6 kegs in his. 
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