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I knew that Festool's patent was expiring this summer so I expected to see others jump into the market. One downside for me is the battery. I don't have anything else that uses their batteries. I'm OK with the price point. https://www.kregtool.com/kreg-edge-loose-tenon-joiner.html  You Didn’t See This Coming |
| I've toyed with the idea of getting a domino but would never use it enough to justify the cost. That said, I have a ton of M12/M18 tools (and some Makita XGT's) so if Milwaukee comes out with a decent version for a decent price then IDK, maybe but otherwise, no I'm not getting sucked into another battery platform. |
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With the patent expired, expect all the major players to have their own clones soon. Kreg is just quick on the draw but when the dust settles theirs will be the first, but may or may not be the best. Getting out early gives them the advantage with the "I gotta have this now" crowd so their high price is expected. I'll wait for one that works with my yellow batteries. |
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Originally Posted By MongooseKY: With the patent expired, expect all the major players to have their own clones soon. Kreg is just quick on the draw but when the dust settles theirs will be the first, but may or may not be the best. Getting out early gives them the advantage with the "I gotta have this now" crowd so their high price is expected. I'll wait for one that works with my yellow batteries. There never was a USA patent. Only a European patent. No one chose to compete with the domino for a reason. |
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I have a domino cutter. Use it a lot, I have my issues with them. But overall they are pretty good. I have only one kreg item, they call them "wood project clamp", a sort of adjustable deep throated vise grip thing. Terrible clamps, they are cheaply made and it shows when your trying to use them. I suspect the knockoff dominos will be worse than the originals. I don't think many will argue that they will be better. There is a reason Domino cutters are expensive (made in Germany by well paid workers). When China (harbor freight) tries to knock them off you know the quality will suffer. If you are not particular about what you get from your tools and you care about the cost first and foremost then China is your answer. If I was in the market for a Domino cutter I'd take the original even at several times the cost over a Chinese knockoff. |
| festool! buy once cry once. on only a few occasions I wished I had a domino. my old porter cable biscuit joiner is paid for and has a oem 8' cord. most battery tools are overrated when you're working in a shop with a outlet a few feet away. |
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Really looking forward to getting this. Biscuit joiners are ok, but I like having a thicker piece of material to add to the glue strength. For years I've been using my router table with a tall fence, a 1/4" veining bit, and making marks on the router table, wood, and hoping they all lined up right. Then cutting my own pieces to fit in the slots.... what a pain! Wife signed me up to be on the list when it comes out this fall. She spoils me! |
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I'd wait for Bosch to release theirs. I got the Festool Domino 500 and 700, lots of money especially with the tenon and connector sets factored in but no regrets. Thankfully I was in a position to purchase and their paraphernalia when I did. The Kreg machine is OK and really geared toward the more casual user. There is only so low the price can go on a machine like this. They are very complex and that drives up the price, even though Festool did most of the R&D already which others build on. |
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Originally Posted By A_G: I'd wait for Bosch to release theirs. I got the Festool Domino 500 and 700, lots of money especially with the tenon and connector sets factored in but no regrets. Thankfully I was in a position to purchase and their paraphernalia when I did. The Kreg machine is OK and really geared toward the more casual user. There is only so low the price can go on a machine like this. They are very complex and that drives up the price, even though Festool did most of the R&D already which others build on. I have the 500 and was planning on getting the larger one some time this year. Any idea what size the Bosch will be? |
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Originally Posted By Curmudgeon762: I have the 500 and was planning on getting the larger one some time this year. Any idea what size the Bosch will be? Originally Posted By Curmudgeon762: Originally Posted By A_G: I'd wait for Bosch to release theirs. I got the Festool Domino 500 and 700, lots of money especially with the tenon and connector sets factored in but no regrets. Thankfully I was in a position to purchase and their paraphernalia when I did. The Kreg machine is OK and really geared toward the more casual user. There is only so low the price can go on a machine like this. They are very complex and that drives up the price, even though Festool did most of the R&D already which others build on. I have the 500 and was planning on getting the larger one some time this year. Any idea what size the Bosch will be? No idea at all, but they will absolutely release their version of a Domino. Probably a 500 equivalent at first. The 500 is suitable for the majority of users so the aftermarket, so to speak, are mostly likely to release that version first. I've used the 700 to build a door and will put it to use for a bed build as time and budget (for walnut  ) allow.
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Originally Posted By A_G: No idea at all, but they will absolutely release their version of a Domino. Probably a 500 equivalent at first. The 500 is suitable for the majority of users so the aftermarket, so to speak, are mostly likely to release that version first. I've used the 700 to build a door and will put it to use for a bed build as time and budget (for walnut ) allow.Thanks. And I have a pretty decent pile of 12/4 castelo boxwood and walnut waiting on me in the garage. I’ve had great luck with the 500 but would prefer larger tenons when I get around to working with it |
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 The Kreg Edge Is Actually A "Domino Killer" |
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fair comparison. I would say I notice he uses the next depth up from the domino he is cutting. 40mm long domino, instead of using the 20mm setting he uses 25mm. No need for that on the domino at least, the Kreg knock off can't say. Also seems as if the dominos are tighter in the festool. I know they can be tight in the festool. If you install them, test fit, remove and then assemble they are always looser on the 2nd try. The big differences are one is corded, an advantage in my mind (no need for another battery platform) and Festool cones with a container while kreg does not. On a side note he avoids any comparison on quality of build, fit and finish. I would bet Festool is better in this category. I'd like to know a apple to apple comparison on the weight, kreg would have to be without battery. I don't know about others but me I never buy tools especially on price alone. If its made in China and there is a competitor available from any where else I'm buying the competitor. I have even passed on getting things if all that was available was from China. anyone know where the Kreg tool is made? |
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Originally Posted By DirtyDirk: fair comparison. I would say I notice he uses the next depth up from the domino he is cutting. 40mm long domino, instead of using the 20mm setting he uses 25mm. No need for that on the domino at least, the Kreg knock off can't say. Also seems as if the dominos are tighter in the festool. I know they can be tight in the festool. If you install them, test fit, remove and then assemble they are always looser on the 2nd try. The big differences are one is corded, an advantage in my mind (no need for another battery platform) and Festool cones with a container while kreg does not. On a side note he avoids any comparison on quality of build, fit and finish. I would bet Festool is better in this category. I'd like to know a apple to apple comparison on the weight, kreg would have to be without battery. I don't know about others but me I never buy tools especially on price alone. If its made in China and there is a competitor available from any where else I'm buying the competitor. I have even passed on getting things if all that was available was from China. anyone know where the Kreg tool is made? You and I can both probably guess where the Kreg is made. While I would love to have a zero China philosophy for tools, almost all Makita cordless tools are made there. While Makita may not have the most brute power they are far and away the most repairable, with some of the best build quality and longevity in the market. Nearly all my cordless stuff is Makita. I bought many Bosch corded tools specifically because they were German or Swiss made when a competitor tool may have been better on specifications. Unfortunately, very few Bosch tools are made in Germany or Switzerland these days. Festool is still ~95% German, the 5% being consumables and some accessories being made in Eastern Europe mostly. |
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Originally Posted By A_G: You and I can both probably guess where the Kreg is made. While I would love to have a zero China philosophy for tools, almost all Makita cordless tools are made there. While Makita may not have the most brute power they are far and away the most repairable, with some of the best build quality and longevity in the market. Nearly all my cordless stuff is Makita. I bought many Bosch corded tools specifically because they were German or Swiss made when a competitor tool may have been better on specifications. Unfortunately, very few Bosch tools are made in Germany or Switzerland these days. Festool is still ~95% German, the 5% being consumables and some accessories being made in Eastern Europe mostly. I have my reason for avoiding Chinese stuff, I worked in manufacturing and have seen the despicable behavior of the Chinese. Stealing, lying and just a complete lack of integrity or decency. |
| I just saw this thread. About fucking time. I refused to spend $$$$ on one tool. I will wait for other companies to see which competitor is best. |
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Originally Posted By farfromhome: I just saw this thread. About fucking time. I refused to spend $$$$ on one tool. I will wait for other companies to see which competitor is best. Fair enough, and I felt the same way for many years. I finally broke down and bought one just over two years ago and the only regret I have is that having waited only caused the price to go up, which Festool does every year on almost all their products. It allowed me to build a bed for my daughter, including painting it, in two weeks which I never would have been able to do in such a time with a router and mortise and loose tenons. It was just in time too as my son was born two weeks after that. In that time I've used it for quite a few projects and really it just lets me get things completed in a much quicker time which is important since I work a day job and have two small kids. |
This is worth the watch he found a few short comings.  Why The Kreg Edge Is NOT A Domino Killer |
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Originally Posted By farfromhome: I just saw this thread. About fucking time. I refused to spend $$$$ on one tool. I will wait for other companies to see which competitor is best. I can confidently say none of the upcoming knockoffs will be better than the domino in fit or function. Price is another consideration tho. I have no regrets buying a domino and if it suddenly was unusable I'd buy another and wouldn't even think about a different version of it. Price is seldom the deciding factor for me, and its not cause I'm rolling in it. I don't spend a penny on alot of crap that the average guy does so that gives me spending power on the rare occasion that I'm going to buy something. I understand the opposite mindset that price is the deciding factor for most people. I get it. I made a living with tools and have watched other tradesmen who cheeped out on tools suffer because of it. When the clock is ticking and you have downtime due to tools its very costly, sometimes the difference between making money and spending money. Then there is the frustration which goes for both the hobby guy and the pro. I have never regretted spending more an a better tool tho I have often regretted buying the cheaper tool. |
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Originally Posted By SpankMonkey: This is worth the watch he found a few short comings.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoPIwpUmB6cMy big take away is that the vac is more necessary than one thinks off hand. So even if you buy the Kreg tool you'll want to use a vac. The sloppyness of the guide will bite some on the Kreg. It will take more user skill to make the same quality of product with the Kreg tool then. This is the lower quality of the tool raising its ugly head. If your picky about the quality of your work then this may frustrate you. And he is right about the micro adjust on the height of the mortise that Kreg added. Its a solution to a non-existing problem. At the end he makes a good point about Festool and its competitors. Even tho there are lots of copies of Festool stuff Festool continues to sell for whatever reason. This Kreg tool will not kill the Festool Domino. I suspect there will be sales of Kregs tool additional to what Festool Domino sells. |
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| I don’t see it replacing my Domino but I do like the idea of a less expensive and cordless version for some situations |
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