[ARCHIVED THREAD] - LOTR problem- question about wizards (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 8/16/2015 11:34:08 PM EDT
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Was Gandalf the only wizard who did any real fighting in the LOTR?
How many wizards were there and how come Gandalf and Saruman were the only 2 who fought? |
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Was Gandalf the only wizard who did any real fighting in the LOTR? How many wizards were there and how come Gandalf and Saruman were the only 2 who fought? Hammerill thread... In before you get locked... TBK made a new rule |
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Was Gandalf the only wizard who did any real fighting in the LOTR? How many wizards were there and how come Gandalf and Saruman were the only 2 who fought? Hammerill thread... In before you get locked... TBK made a new rule My bad, missed it. I'll take my punishment when it comes. |
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There are 5 wizards. Radgast the Brown, IIRC. Not sure if the other two were named though I'm pretty sure the fourth made in an appearance, mayhaps in The Hobbit. So Radagast does not fight? Radagast's exact involvement is generally unknown. He was around, somewhere, and was familiar with Treebeard/Fangorn if I recall correctly. My personal impression was that he was becoming increasingly distracted from his primary mission (helping the free people of Middle Earth stand against Sauron) as he focused on nature. Obviously the two most involved that we know of are Gandalf and Saruman. The other two wizards, which were blue iirc, had wandered off somewhere into the east with whatever they were trying to accomplish. |
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Radagast's exact involvement is generally unknown. He was around, somewhere, and was familiar with Treebeard/Fangorn if I recall correctly. My personal impression was that he was becoming increasingly distracted from his primary mission (helping the free people of Middle Earth stand against Sauron) as he focused on nature. Obviously the two most involved that we know of are Gandalf and Saruman. The other two wizards, which were blue iirc, had wandered off somewhere into the east with whatever they were trying to accomplish. Quoted:
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There are 5 wizards. Radgast the Brown, IIRC. Not sure if the other two were named though I'm pretty sure the fourth made in an appearance, mayhaps in The Hobbit. So Radagast does not fight? Radagast's exact involvement is generally unknown. He was around, somewhere, and was familiar with Treebeard/Fangorn if I recall correctly. My personal impression was that he was becoming increasingly distracted from his primary mission (helping the free people of Middle Earth stand against Sauron) as he focused on nature. Obviously the two most involved that we know of are Gandalf and Saruman. The other two wizards, which were blue iirc, had wandered off somewhere into the east with whatever they were trying to accomplish. My impression is like you but I was hoping Tolkien would have explained why the other wizards did not fight against Sauron. Radagast pops up once I think (to message Gandalf for Saruman) and then disappears. Kind of left? |
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There are 5 wizards. Radgast the Brown, IIRC. Not sure if the other two were named though I'm pretty sure the fourth made in an appearance, mayhaps in The Hobbit. So Radagast does not fight? Hand to hand combat? Not that was mentioned. Unless he led the trees in, always a possibility 
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There are 5 wizards. Radgast the Brown, IIRC. Not sure if the other two were named though I'm pretty sure the fourth made in an appearance, mayhaps in The Hobbit. So Radagast does not fight? Hand to hand combat? Not that was mentioned. Unless he led the trees in, always a possibility
No army of beavers lead by Radagast the Brown? 
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| 5 Ishtari (wizards) were sent from Valinor. They were basically minor angels that took on human form to counter the influence of Sauron. But they could not counter force with force, they had to rally the people of Middle earth to fight. The two blue wizards went east and were never heard from again. They have names, but I can't remember them. Rhadagast stayed in the central part of Middle earth, but became distracted by nature, namely birds and other animals. In the book, he delivers the message from Saruman to Gandalf to go to the tower, where he is captured, but also helps him escape by sending the eagle. Saruman becomes obsessed with the one ring, and betrays the side of good in his pursuit for it. That is why when he dies, he is left disembodied and not allowed to return to Valinor. Gandalf is the only one that stayed true to his quest, hence the reason he was allowed to return to the West. |
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5 Ishtari (wizards) were sent from Valinor. They were basically minor angels that took on human form to counter the influence of Sauron. But they could not counter force with force, they had to rally the people of Middle earth to fight. The two blue wizards went east and were never heard from again. They have names, but I can't remember them. Rhadagast stayed in the central part of Middle earth, but became distracted by nature, namely birds and other animals. In the book, he delivers the message from Saruman to Gandalf to go to the tower, where he is captured, but also helps him escape by sending the eagle. Saruman becomes obsessed with the one ring, and betrays the side of good in his pursuit for it. That is why when he dies, he is left disembodied and not allowed to return to Valinor. Gandalf is the only one that stayed true to his quest, hence the reason he was allowed to return to the West. Thanks for that I always thought Radagast would do more to counter Sauron but I guess not. |
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Quoted: Wizard is a coded reference to the Ku Klux Klan. Orcs symbolize black people. The Elves are the "Nordic master race". The race of Men are the "mongrels of Europe". It's all racial symbolism and bigotry. Tolkien was a racist.  and who do the Hobbits and Dwarves represent? |
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Wizard is a coded reference to the Ku Klux Klan. Orcs symbolize black people. The Elves are the "Nordic master race". The race of Men are the "mongrels of Europe". It's all racial symbolism and bigotry. Tolkien was a racist. and who do the Hobbits and Dwarves represent?
He's trolling. Roll with it. |
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Wizard is a coded reference to the Ku Klux Klan. Orcs symbolize black people. The Elves are the "Nordic master race". The race of Men are the "mongrels of Europe". It's all racial symbolism and bigotry. Tolkien was a racist. and who do the Hobbits and Dwarves represent?
Hobbits are the rural English, based on his stereotypical views of his own childhood home. Dwarves are Alpine Europeans. Look it up. |
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Wizard is a coded reference to the Ku Klux Klan. Orcs symbolize black people. The Elves are the "Nordic master race". The race of Men are the "mongrels of Europe". It's all racial symbolism and bigotry. Tolkien was a racist. and who do the Hobbits and Dwarves represent?
Hobbits represent Americans cus they are fat and lazy and love their weed. Dwarves are clearly meant to he Asian because they are so clever, can build stuff, and love gold and jewels. Eta: two posts above Clearly Texas rifleman is well read in Tolkien lore but he is just makin shit up now |
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Hobbits are the rural English, based on his stereotypical views of his own childhood home. Dwarves are Alpine Europeans. Look it up. Quoted:
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Wizard is a coded reference to the Ku Klux Klan. Orcs symbolize black people. The Elves are the "Nordic master race". The race of Men are the "mongrels of Europe". It's all racial symbolism and bigotry. Tolkien was a racist. and who do the Hobbits and Dwarves represent?
Hobbits are the rural English, based on his stereotypical views of his own childhood home. Dwarves are Alpine Europeans. Look it up. Your getting it mixed up. The Dwarves are supposed to be Jews. |
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Wizard is a coded reference to the Ku Klux Klan. Orcs symbolize black people. The Elves are the "Nordic master race". The race of Men are the "mongrels of Europe". It's all racial symbolism and bigotry. Tolkien was a racist. and who do the Hobbits and Dwarves represent?
He's trolling. Roll with it. No I'm not. The racial symbolism in LotR is impossible to miss... Read about the Elves, they could be SS poster boys for the Nazi Nordic Master Race. |
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Your getting it mixed up. The Dwarves are supposed to be Jews. Quoted:
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Wizard is a coded reference to the Ku Klux Klan. Orcs symbolize black people. The Elves are the "Nordic master race". The race of Men are the "mongrels of Europe". It's all racial symbolism and bigotry. Tolkien was a racist. and who do the Hobbits and Dwarves represent?
Hobbits are the rural English, based on his stereotypical views of his own childhood home. Dwarves are Alpine Europeans. Look it up. Your getting it mixed up. The Dwarves are supposed to be Jews. Nope. Alpines. Short, industrious, productive, generally lacking greater ambition, but effective when well lead, round heads, poor hygiene, ugly women. Tolkien used Goblins as his potrayal of Jews. Keep in mind, a racist who is bigoted against Jews would potray them as theives, not productive people. Welcome to Tolkien's mind. |
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No I'm not. The racial symbolism in LotR is impossible to miss... Read about the Elves, they could be SS poster boys for the Nazi Nordic Master Race. Quoted:
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Wizard is a coded reference to the Ku Klux Klan. Orcs symbolize black people. The Elves are the "Nordic master race". The race of Men are the "mongrels of Europe". It's all racial symbolism and bigotry. Tolkien was a racist. and who do the Hobbits and Dwarves represent?
He's trolling. Roll with it. No I'm not. The racial symbolism in LotR is impossible to miss... Read about the Elves, they could be SS poster boys for the Nazi Nordic Master Race. You mean the same elves that Tolkien wrote about fucking up things so badly in the First Age that they were firmly banished from Valinor and forced to watch the world they created fall into ruin? Those fuck ups? Some 'Master Race'. lol. |
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You mean the same elves that Tolkien wrote about fucking up things so badly in the First Age that they were firmly banished from Valinor and forced to watch the world they created fall into ruin? Those fuck ups? Some 'Master Race'. lol. Quoted:
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Wizard is a coded reference to the Ku Klux Klan. Orcs symbolize black people. The Elves are the "Nordic master race". The race of Men are the "mongrels of Europe". It's all racial symbolism and bigotry. Tolkien was a racist. and who do the Hobbits and Dwarves represent?
He's trolling. Roll with it. No I'm not. The racial symbolism in LotR is impossible to miss... Read about the Elves, they could be SS poster boys for the Nazi Nordic Master Race. You mean the same elves that Tolkien wrote about fucking up things so badly in the First Age that they were firmly banished from Valinor and forced to watch the world they created fall into ruin? Those fuck ups? Some 'Master Race'. lol. Which fits perfectly with the racist propaganda of the time about Aryans and Atlantis being the home of white people until they fucked it up. The Thule society, look it up. |
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Better question about LoTR is why didn't Gandalf just have one of the Great Eagles drop the ring into Orodruin, the volcano in Mordor that could destroy the ring. The eagles would have no desire for power, so they would not try to wield the ring, and they are sworn enemies of Sauron. Before Sauron knew they were there, it would be too late for him to do anything about it. Just send them all and nobody would know which one had the ring.
Entire story would take 4-5 days tops while the eagles did their thing and everyone else could sit back and relax. |
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There are 5 wizards. Radgast the Brown, IIRC. Not sure if the other two were named though I'm pretty sure the fourth made in an appearance, mayhaps in The Hobbit. So Radagast does not fight? Hey...you can't post in a thread you start 
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blah blah blah white guilt blah blah blah every dead famous white man is a nazi blah blah blah +1 Sooo... You're not going to look up the Thule Society, and see how their ideas about the "fall of the Aryan Race" and Atlantis and such line up perfectly with the history of the Elvish in the writings of Tolkien? Why not? Afraid you'll find some truth that upsets your world view? |
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Sooo... You're not going to look up the Thule Society, and see how their ideas about the "fall of the Aryan Race" and Atlantis and such line up perfectly with the history of the Elvish in the writings of Tolkien? Quoted:
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blah blah blah white guilt blah blah blah every dead famous white man is a nazi blah blah blah +1 Sooo... You're not going to look up the Thule Society, and see how their ideas about the "fall of the Aryan Race" and Atlantis and such line up perfectly with the history of the Elvish in the writings of Tolkien? +1 |
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Was Gandalf the only wizard who did any real fighting in the LOTR? How many wizards were there and how come Gandalf and Saruman were the only 2 who fought? Hammerill thread... In before you get locked... TBK made a new rule Link? Missed it too |
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blah blah blah white guilt blah blah blah every dead famous white man is a nazi blah blah blah +1 Sooo... You're not going to look up the Thule Society, and see how their ideas about the "fall of the Aryan Race" and Atlantis and such line up perfectly with the history of the Elvish in the writings of Tolkien? +1 It's also interesting to note that Tolkien basically has Sauruman outright called a "race traitor" at one point. Also marriages between the difference races in LotR are shown as taboo/socially unacceptable. The racist themes are hard to miss. |
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Nope. Alpines. Short, industrious, productive, generally lacking greater ambition, but effective when well lead, round heads, poor hygiene, ugly women. Tolkien used Goblins as his potrayal of Jews. Keep in mind, a racists who ia bigoted against Jews would potray them as theives, not productive people. Welcome to Tolkien's mind. Quoted:
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Wizard is a coded reference to the Ku Klux Klan. Orcs symbolize black people. The Elves are the "Nordic master race". The race of Men are the "mongrels of Europe". It's all racial symbolism and bigotry. Tolkien was a racist. and who do the Hobbits and Dwarves represent?
Hobbits are the rural English, based on his stereotypical views of his own childhood home. Dwarves are Alpine Europeans. Look it up. Your getting it mixed up. The Dwarves are supposed to be Jews. Nope. Alpines. Short, industrious, productive, generally lacking greater ambition, but effective when well lead, round heads, poor hygiene, ugly women. Tolkien used Goblins as his potrayal of Jews. Keep in mind, a racists who ia bigoted against Jews would potray them as theives, not productive people. Welcome to Tolkien's mind. How do you figure all of this? |
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Wizard is a coded reference to the Ku Klux Klan. Orcs symbolize black people. The Elves are the "Nordic master race". The race of Men are the "mongrels of Europe". It's all racial symbolism and bigotry. Tolkien was a racist. and who do the Hobbits and Dwarves represent?
He's been on a trolling streak where he finds racism in everything. Just ignore it. |