Posted: 8/28/2016 9:37:51 PM EDT
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So i'm getting conflicting report's on logging PIC time. I stopped flying in 2008 and started again earlier this year with getting a flight review. The first instructor I had logged the time as PIC, I had to switch schools and the second instructor said I could not log it as PIC time. Any clarification here?
I have had my first class medical while I finished my flight review. Looks like this is under FAR 61.51 but I want to double check. |
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As a certificated pilot, any time you are the sole manipulator of the controls, you can log that time as PIC- regardless if you've had a flight review; without a BFR you cannot ACT as PIC- in other words, make decisions about the safety of the flight and actions to take.
CFI's can log PIC time anytime they are giving instruction, but are not always the actual PIC of the aircraft. |
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As a certificated pilot, any time you are the sole manipulator of the controls, you can log that time as PIC- regardless if you've had a flight review; without a BFR you cannot ACT as PIC- in other words, make decisions about the safety of the flight and actions to take. CFI's can log PIC time anytime they are giving instruction, but are not always the actual PIC of the aircraft. Would you log it as PIC? |
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Read the regs. Don't trust the heresy on here or even on AOPA. Though it is nice to get some opinions at times.
Here is a good link with the details, some discussion, and references. However, if you want to log the time, you should show up to your new CFI being able to understand and quote the regs to argue your point. If he is in violation of the regs, get a new CFI, if he is correct, thank him. If this came up in your BFR, you also should have asked to see the references in the FARs when you got your review. |
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As a certificated pilot, any time you are the sole manipulator of the controls, you can log that time as PIC- regardless if you've had a flight review; without a BFR you cannot ACT as PIC- in other words, make decisions about the safety of the flight and actions to take. CFI's can log PIC time anytime they are giving instruction, but are not always the actual PIC of the aircraft. Would you log it as PIC? Yes. If it's legal, log it. If your CFI argues then fire him. |
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As a certificated pilot, any time you are the sole manipulator of the controls, you can log that time as PIC- regardless if you've had a flight review; without a BFR you cannot ACT as PIC- in other words, make decisions about the safety of the flight and actions to take. CFI's can log PIC time anytime they are giving instruction, but are not always the actual PIC of the aircraft. Would you log it as PIC? Would and have. |
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If you hold a certificate in category/class and are the sole manipulator of the controls, then, yes, you can log it as PIC. And you can log it regardless if you're current, have a medical, have had your BFR, etc. You cannot ACT as the sole PIC without an instructor (who would also be logging PIC), but you can log it because you were in fact the pilot in command.
It gets really hairy when you get into the whole "safety pilot" deal on instrument currency. Lots of magazine articles written about that! |
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What do you need the PIC time for?
As mentioned sole manipulator in an aircraft you are rated for you are OK to log. I have a a few hours in my book that could have been logged PIC (during instruction) but weren't but I really don't need PIC hours for anything so really don't care to go back and correct them. I also have a spreadsheet I keep for time I can't log that I was sole manipulator. Twin time, bits of time I wasn't PIC but a friend let me have the controls, a little C47 time....Just to keep track of all the airplanes I have flown. |
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That's interesting about the PIC rules. I never paid much attention to it since I don't necessarily need PIC hours.
I just looked in my logbook and every training flight I have in a new plane (HP, complex, TW) is not logged PIC even for subsequent flights where I had not received an endorsement but certainly had the controls the entire flight. Several of these were TW flights with an FAA examiner who filed out my logbook but didn't give me PIC credit. Next time I see him I'll ask him for his take on the PIC time. With aviation you are always learning something new. |
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That's interesting about the PIC rules. I never paid much attention to it since I don't necessarily need PIC hours. I just looked in my logbook and every training flight I have in a new plane (HP, complex, TW) is not logged PIC even for subsequent flights where I had not received an endorsement but certainly had the controls the entire flight. Several of these were TW flights with an FAA examiner who filed out my logbook but didn't give me PIC credit. Next time I see him I'll ask him for his take on the PIC time. With aviation you are always learning something new. Every examiner I ever flew with mentioned, multiple times, they were not the PIC of the flight. |
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I'll ask the examiner the next time I see him. He likely overlooked it because he knows I'm a Doctor Pilot and don't need or care about PIC time. I bet it's the same with the instructor. But now I'm curious. I'll let you guys know what I find out. You absolutely should, even if you do not have career aspirations. You never know when PIC time may qualify you for insurance reasons (e.g. having to accumulate dual or solo PIC time in type before carrying passengers) or make you eligible to rent or fly a club airplane. Always, always always log your flight time to the fullest extent, even if you don't think you will need it. This is experience talking. |
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You absolutely should, even if you do not have career aspirations. You never know when PIC time may qualify you for insurance reasons (e.g. having to accumulate dual or solo PIC time in type before carrying passengers) or make you eligible to rent or fly a club airplane. Always, always always log your flight time to the fullest extent, even if you don't think you will need it. This is experience talking. Quoted:
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I'll ask the examiner the next time I see him. He likely overlooked it because he knows I'm a Doctor Pilot and don't need or care about PIC time. I bet it's the same with the instructor. But now I'm curious. I'll let you guys know what I find out. You absolutely should, even if you do not have career aspirations. You never know when PIC time may qualify you for insurance reasons (e.g. having to accumulate dual or solo PIC time in type before carrying passengers) or make you eligible to rent or fly a club airplane. Always, always always log your flight time to the fullest extent, even if you don't think you will need it. This is experience talking. I'll do that. Sometimes I kick around the idea of getting my self a flying job after i'm able to GTFO of my present job. So having every PIC hour I can get may not be such a bad idea. |