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8/25/2007 9:44:34 AM EDT
i just watched it out of curiosity.How can the small hole in the Pentagon be explained?Along with no damage to the lawn and so on?I'm not trying to start shit,but shouldn't there be a bigger hole???
8/25/2007 9:45:56 AM EDT
[#1]
TAG!!!
8/25/2007 9:46:22 AM EDT
[#2]


I've come to the conclusion that as a intelligent species we are doomed.

I want to propose a serious suggestion.

Posters that introduce a 9/11 conspiracy thread get locked and banned on the spot.
8/25/2007 9:46:44 AM EDT
[#3]
7 pages, and 2 locks
8/25/2007 9:47:20 AM EDT
[#4]
Sigh.

Someone with more patience than me will have to come along and explain it.
8/25/2007 9:50:01 AM EDT
[#5]
Small hole? That hole was big.

http://lawn.1accesshost.com/_webimages/Lipskijpg32ring-2_3.JPG
8/25/2007 9:54:06 AM EDT
[#6]
Planes carry fuel, and are made of magnesium and aluminum.  

Fire, hot!  

Fire make metal go away.

Hole in Pentagon, bigger than it look.

Loose Change dumb.


Back in Vietnam, when helicopters crashed and burned, they would haul the wreckage out with garbage bags.  Because the fire would burn so hot, and the aluminum and magnesium would make it burn hotter.
8/25/2007 9:55:30 AM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:
Small hole? That hole was big.
There where NO wing holes!And what about the "wrong" type of engine parts?I'm looking at this from a simple point of the photo's do not say the same as what we've been told happened.I'm just saying,if someone said a Mack truck went through a building and there was a hole the size of a VW,i'd call bullshit.I'm just looking at facts,9/11 asside.
8/25/2007 9:57:08 AM EDT
[#8]
What is something you should not have in your pocket when you go into combat?

I'll take Black Comedy Films for 200, please.
8/25/2007 9:57:44 AM EDT
[#9]
This video contains valuable information.
8/25/2007 9:58:05 AM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Small hole? That hole was big.
There where NO wing holes!And what about the "wrong" type of engine parts?I'm looking at this from a simple point of the photo's do not say the same as what we've been told happened.I'm just saying,if someone said a Mack truck went through a building and there was a hole the size of a VW,i'd call bullshit.I'm just looking at facts,9/11 asside.


Of course there were no wing holes.  The wings sheared off at time of impact.  Aluminum is very weak compared to cement/brick which the pentagon is made of.
8/25/2007 9:58:37 AM EDT
[#11]
This is what you really need to be concerned about:

Unfastened Coins: The Titanic Conspiracy

The video is a real eye opener.
8/25/2007 9:59:24 AM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Small hole? That hole was big.
There where NO wing holes!And what about the "wrong" type of engine parts?I'm looking at this from a simple point of the photo's do not say the same as what we've been told happened.I'm just saying,if someone said a Mack truck went through a building and there was a hole the size of a VW,i'd call bullshit.I'm just looking at facts,9/11 asside.


Ya! And why was Wernher von Braun in Antarctica collecting MOON ROCKS in 1967, just two years prior to the Apollo missions?!! Nobody can explain this, therefore we never went to the moon!!one11!eleven!!
8/25/2007 10:01:42 AM EDT
[#13]
Pita 146 ''Of course there were no wing holes.  The wings sheared off at time of impact.  Aluminum is very weak compared to cement/brick which the pentagon is made of''. Why are there wing holes in the WTC's?
8/25/2007 10:15:02 AM EDT
[#14]

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Pita 146 ''Of course there were no wing holes.  The wings sheared off at time of impact.  Aluminum is very weak compared to cement/brick which the pentagon is made of''. Why are there wing holes in the WTC's?


TOTALLY different builduings.  The Pentagon is gravity masonry, the WTC was steel with steel and glass facade.
8/25/2007 10:16:02 AM EDT
[#15]
I thought this thread was going to be about Coinstar.
8/25/2007 10:20:12 AM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:
This is what you really need to be concerned about:

Unfastened Coins: The Titanic Conspiracy

The video is a real eye opener.


8/25/2007 10:26:03 AM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Small hole? That hole was big.
There where NO wing holes!And what about the "wrong" type of engine parts?I'm looking at this from a simple point of the photo's do not say the same as what we've been told happened.I'm just saying,if someone said a Mack truck went through a building and there was a hole the size of a VW,i'd call bullshit.I'm just looking at facts,9/11 asside.


If a Mack truck went through a building, it wouldn't leave an outline of a Mack truck like the way bugs bunny does when he runs through a wall.

The weaker things like fenders will peel away leaving a smaller hole.

Bugs Bunny's ears would fold and so would his arms, so the outline will not be recognizable as a 2d cartoon character.

You see, the funny part about the looney toons cartoons is that most children have acquired a basic understanding of physics and mechanics by the time they are old enough to watch cartoons.  That is why it is funny when the Coyote doesn't begin to fall to the bottom of a canyon until he looks down.  In reality, the Coyote would fall the moment he left the edge of the cliff.



This doesn't happen in real life.  Cartoons are made from drawings.
8/25/2007 10:34:07 AM EDT
[#18]

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i just watched it out of curiosity.How can the small hole in the Pentagon be explained?Along with no damage to the lawn and so on?I'm not trying to start shit,but shouldn't there be a bigger hole???


The hole in the exterior wall was approximately 18 feet accross. This was found by do photo analysis of news pictures taken before the outer wall collapsed. The fuselage  of the jet that struck the Pentagon was approximately 12 feet in diameter.

The small hole that you see in some photos was caused by one of the engines.

Loose Change is idiotic pap for people who completely lack critical thinking skills.
8/25/2007 10:42:40 AM EDT
[#19]
Everyone who views Loose Change and posts about is needs to be asked one simple question:

"Have you watched the film at screwloosechange.blogspot.com/ in its' entirety?"

If the answer is "yes", the poster is either a moron, a troll, or possibly both.

If the answer is "no", then the poster should view before posting.
8/25/2007 10:42:51 AM EDT
[#20]


Picture above shows hole left by B-25 Mitchell bomber that flew into the Empire State Building  in 1945.



Picture of B-25 Mitchell bomber.

Hole is much smaller than bomber.  Hole does not look like bomber.  Hole does not look like bugs bunny either.



There are no visible bomber parts.  The bomber was flying at 200 mph which is much slower than the jet airliners which hit the Pentagon and the WTC.  

If you weren't lazy, you could debunk the loose change idiots on your own.  It isn't hard.
8/25/2007 10:44:24 AM EDT
[#21]
http://www.wtc-terrorattack.com/pentagon_crash07.jpg

That's such a small hole I couldn't even fit my johnson in it.
8/25/2007 10:48:08 AM EDT
[#22]
Why any alleged conspirators would even need to shoot the Pentagon with a missile after destroying the twin towers has never been explained to me.
8/25/2007 10:51:08 AM EDT
[#23]

Quoted:
7 pages, and 2 locks


7?

Have you no faith? 13 at least.
8/25/2007 10:51:08 AM EDT
[#24]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
Small hole? That hole was big.
There where NO wing holes!And what about the "wrong" type of engine parts?I'm looking at this from a simple point of the photo's do not say the same as what we've been told happened.I'm just saying,if someone said a Mack truck went through a building and there was a hole the size of a VW,i'd call bullshit.I'm just looking at facts,9/11 asside.


If a Mack truck went through a building, it wouldn't leave an outline of a Mack truck like the way bugs bunny does when he runs through a wall.

The weaker things like fenders will peel away leaving a smaller hole.

Bugs Bunny's ears would fold and so would his arms, so the outline will not be recognizable as a 2d cartoon character.

You see, the funny part about the looney toons cartoons is that most children have acquired a basic understanding of physics and mechanics by the time they are old enough to watch cartoons.  That is why it is funny when the Coyote doesn't begin to fall to the bottom of a canyon until he looks down.  In reality, the Coyote would fall the moment he left the edge of the cliff.


Aww MAN! You ruined it for me, next you'll be telling me there is no Santa Clause.
8/25/2007 10:55:02 AM EDT
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Why isn't there wing parts scattered on the ground if they got sheered off going in?Again,i'm just asking logical simple questions i want answered.
8/25/2007 10:55:19 AM EDT
[#26]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
Small hole? That hole was big.
There where NO wing holes!And what about the "wrong" type of engine parts?I'm looking at this from a simple point of the photo's do not say the same as what we've been told happened.I'm just saying,if someone said a Mack truck went through a building and there was a hole the size of a VW,i'd call bullshit.I'm just looking at facts,9/11 asside.


If a Mack truck went through a building, it wouldn't leave an outline of a Mack truck like the way bugs bunny does when he runs through a wall.

The weaker things like fenders will peel away leaving a smaller hole.

Bugs Bunny's ears would fold and so would his arms, so the outline will not be recognizable as a 2d cartoon character.

You see, the funny part about the looney toons cartoons is that most children have acquired a basic understanding of physics and mechanics by the time they are old enough to watch cartoons.  That is why it is funny when the Coyote doesn't begin to fall to the bottom of a canyon until he looks down.  In reality, the Coyote would fall the moment he left the edge of the cliff.


Aww MAN! You ruined it for me, next you'll be telling me there is no Santa Clause.


Actually, there is a Santa Clause.  However, he just told me he will never visit your home.
8/25/2007 10:57:24 AM EDT
[#27]

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Why isn't there wing parts scattered on the ground if they got sheered off going in?Again,i'm just asking logical simple questions i want answered.


They didn't just drop off, they were pretty much destroyed.

This web site run by aerospace engineers and scientists confronts the conspiracy claims:

www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/q0265.shtml
8/25/2007 10:57:50 AM EDT
[#28]

Quoted:
Why isn't there wing parts scattered on the ground if they got sheered off going in?Again,i'm just asking logical simple questions i want answered.


The fuel is in the wings.  Did you not look at the Empire State Building pictures?  There are no wing parts on the ground in that photo either.  Or does the conspiracy go back to 1945?
8/25/2007 10:58:47 AM EDT
[#29]
No damage to the lawn?

Uh, it hit the building...a plane flying ABOVE the ground wouldn't damage the lawn.

I'll take common sense for $1,000, Alex.
8/25/2007 11:02:11 AM EDT
[#30]

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No damage to the lawn?

Uh, it hit the building...a plane flying ABOVE the ground wouldn't damage the lawn.

I'll take common sense for $1,000, Alex.
I don't give a fuck what you think,i just don't believe a towel head that couldn't fly a Ceasna to save his ass could of pulled off a hit that good at that speed.
8/25/2007 11:03:30 AM EDT
[#31]
9/11 conspiracies easily explained
8/25/2007 11:04:29 AM EDT
[#32]

Quoted:

Quoted:
No damage to the lawn?

Uh, it hit the building...a plane flying ABOVE the ground wouldn't damage the lawn.

I'll take common sense for $1,000, Alex.
I don't give a fuck what you think,i just don't believe a towel head that couldn't fly a Ceasna to save his ass could of pulled off a hit that good at that speed.


Since "towelheads"  fly airliners(and Cessnas) on a routine basis all over the world  I'd say you are clueless on this one too.  
8/25/2007 11:04:53 AM EDT
[#33]

Quoted:

Quoted:
No damage to the lawn?

Uh, it hit the building...a plane flying ABOVE the ground wouldn't damage the lawn.

I'll take common sense for $1,000, Alex.
I don't give a fuck what you think,i just don't believe a towel head that couldn't fly a Ceasna to save his ass could of pulled off a hit that good at that speed.


Please, you're making my head hurt.

View the movie at screwloosechange.blogspot.com/ before posting any more, OK?  It will answer all your questions about the aircraft, etc..  

Almost forgot, please lay off the towelhead stuff, too.
8/25/2007 11:11:20 AM EDT
[#34]
The questions raised in this thread have already been addressed in one or both of these threads.

Who here still believes in a 9/11 conspiracy?

The History Channel...9-11 Conspiracy Theories
8/25/2007 11:12:49 AM EDT
[#35]

Quoted:

Quoted:
No damage to the lawn?

Uh, it hit the building...a plane flying ABOVE the ground wouldn't damage the lawn.

I'll take common sense for $1,000, Alex.
I don't give a fuck what you think,i just don't believe a towel head that couldn't fly a Ceasna to save his ass could of pulled off a hit that good at that speed.


First, you said you were just asking logical questions that you wanted answered.  You were given logical explanations.  You have not challenged any of them in a way that was not later answered.

Then you begin responding to logic with stupidity and profanity.

You may not actually be an idiot, but you are doing a very good impression of an idiot.  Go ahead and believe what you want.  You are not capable of handling facts and are outmatched by the scientists, engineers, pilots, soldiers, rescue workers, and other educated and skilled people that frequent this web site.

Then again, we may all be computer generated character's that are part of the conspiracy.
8/25/2007 11:19:08 AM EDT
[#36]

Quoted:
i just watched it out of curiosity.How can the small hole in the Pentagon be explained?Along with no damage to the lawn and so on?I'm not trying to start shit,but shouldn't there be a bigger hole???


It wasn't a small hole. How many times does this have to be explained?

www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=6

Claim:

Big Plane, Small Holes

Two holes were visible in the Pentagon immediately after the attack: a 75-ft.-wide entry hole in the building's exterior wall, and a 16-ft.-wide hole in Ring C, the Pentagon's middle ring. Conspiracy theorists claim both holes are far too small to have been made by a Boeing 757. "How does a plane 125 ft. wide and 155 ft. long fit into a hole which is only 16 ft. across?" asks reopen911.org, a Web site "dedicated to discovering the bottom line truth to what really occurred on September 11, 2001."

The truth is of even less importance to French author Thierry Meyssan, whose baseless assertions are fodder for even mainstream European and Middle Eastern media. In his book The Big Lie, Meyssan concludes that the Pentagon was struck by a satellite-guided missile — part of an elaborate U.S. military coup. "This attack," he writes, "could only be committed by United States military personnel against other U.S. military personnel."



FACT:

When American Airlines Flight 77 hit the Pentagon's exterior wall, Ring E, it created a hole approximately 75 ft. wide, according to the ASCE Pentagon Building Performance Report. The exterior facade collapsed about 20 minutes after impact, but ASCE based its measurements of the original hole on the number of first-floor support columns that were destroyed or damaged. Computer simulations confirmed the findings.

Why wasn't the hole as wide as a 757's 124-ft.-10-in. wingspan? A crashing jet doesn't punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a reinforced concrete building, says ASCE team member Mete Sozen, a professor of structural engineering at Purdue University. In this case, one wing hit the ground; the other was sheared off by the force of the impact with the Pentagon's load-bearing columns, explains Sozen, who specializes in the behavior of concrete buildings. What was left of the plane flowed into the structure in a state closer to a liquid than a solid mass. "If you expected the entire wing to cut into the building," Sozen tells PM, "it didn't happen."

The tidy hole in Ring C was 12 ft. wide — not 16 ft. ASCE concludes it was made by the jet's landing gear, not by the fuselage.
8/25/2007 11:22:35 AM EDT
[#37]

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Quoted:
No damage to the lawn?

Uh, it hit the building...a plane flying ABOVE the ground wouldn't damage the lawn.

I'll take common sense for $1,000, Alex.
I don't give a fuck what you think,i just don't believe a towel head that couldn't fly a Ceasna to save his ass could of pulled off a hit that good at that speed.


Brilliant response, Einstein. No wonder you fall for this liberal conspiracy BS, you're incapable of critical thought.

8/25/2007 11:42:36 AM EDT
[#38]
Where is the BAN HIM! jpg?
8/25/2007 11:57:12 AM EDT
[#39]

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Sigh.

Someone with more patience than me will have to come along and explain it.


Well put.
8/25/2007 3:10:27 PM EDT
[#40]
Read this
8/25/2007 3:16:52 PM EDT
[#41]

Quoted:
Why isn't there wing parts scattered on the ground if they got sheered off going in?Again,i'm just asking logical simple questions i want answered.


There are no answers for you.  All of the evidence was immediately cleaned up, right under the noses of all the TV cameras.  Damn, those sneaky Illuminati...