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Posted: 10/20/2015 11:26:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXPY37: I'm usually in a hurry and use 26ga just like the ones for intramuscular. It doesn't matter the length of the needle, I stick them in about 1/2" and as I inject move the needle in and out a bit to distribute the injectable. IMO, switching needles for draw and inj is silly. As well as a waste of a perfectly good needle.  From time to time I equalize pressure in the vial by disconnecting the needle from the syringe while the needle is in the vial. A bit of understanding of physics helps... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXPY37: Originally Posted By pumbaajk: Originally Posted By bowhuntr09: Originally Posted By pumbaajk: I use 27ga 1/2". I load them like I do any other needle. So draw needle and then switch, or you just draw with the 27ga? I draw and inject with the same 27ga. It takes some time but I'm not really in a rush when I do my injections. I'm usually in a hurry and use 26ga just like the ones for intramuscular. It doesn't matter the length of the needle, I stick them in about 1/2" and as I inject move the needle in and out a bit to distribute the injectable. IMO, switching needles for draw and inj is silly. As well as a waste of a perfectly good needle. From time to time I equalize pressure in the vial by disconnecting the needle from the syringe while the needle is in the vial. A bit of understanding of physics helps... You're introducing a non sterile environment into the syringe Risk is low but still there. Remember the guy in the video drawing his own blood because of his hematocrit levels? He wiped down his arm with a sterile alcohol swab then rubbed his bare dirty fingers over the injection sight prior to the draw. It only takes one little nasty to get into your body like that. |
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Posted: 10/21/2015 2:09:36 AM EST
[Last Edit: EXPY37]
[#2]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jrzy:
Anything in the air germ wise when you do that you're fucked (It's happened) You're introducing a non sterile environment into the syringe Risk is low but still there. Remember the guy in the video drawing his own blood because of his hematocrit levels? He wiped down his arm with a sterile alcohol swab then rubbed his bare dirty fingers over the injection sight prior to the draw. It only takes one little nasty to get into your body like that. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jrzy:
Originally Posted By EXPY37:
Originally Posted By pumbaajk:
Originally Posted By bowhuntr09:
Originally Posted By pumbaajk:
I use 27ga 1/2". I load them like I do any other needle. So draw needle and then switch, or you just draw with the 27ga? I draw and inject with the same 27ga. It takes some time but I'm not really in a rush when I do my injections. I'm usually in a hurry and use 26ga just like the ones for intramuscular. It doesn't matter the length of the needle, I stick them in about 1/2" and as I inject move the needle in and out a bit to distribute the injectable. IMO, switching needles for draw and inj is silly. As well as a waste of a perfectly good needle.
From time to time I equalize pressure in the vial by disconnecting the needle from the syringe while the needle is in the vial. A bit of understanding of physics helps... You're introducing a non sterile environment into the syringe Risk is low but still there. Remember the guy in the video drawing his own blood because of his hematocrit levels? He wiped down his arm with a sterile alcohol swab then rubbed his bare dirty fingers over the injection sight prior to the draw. It only takes one little nasty to get into your body like that. Even more reason not to switch needles on the same syringe. Not to draw air into a syringe to the volume you will be re-injecting into the vial to pressure balance the withdrawal of injectable... And not to remove needles and syringes from their packaging if you don't have a perfectly bacteria/virus free clean room at home... 
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Posted: 10/21/2015 3:10:53 AM EST
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So, now i'm seriously thinking to go sub Q test. I have a couple questions that hopefully someone can answer.
I do 80 mg one day a week. Am i supposed to split it into 2 doses of 40 mg and spread it out with a couple days in between? I also take anastrozole, the estrogen inhibitor .5 mg 1 day a week, in capsule form. Should i ask my doc for .25 mg capsules to take twice a week, 24 hrs after each SQ T injection? I notice my morning wood drop off a cliff if i miss my anastrozole and my libido was a little off. I just did it last week where i accidentally switched my days on the pill and my hcg injection, so i ended up doing my anastrozole 48 hrs after my T. I think my estrogen spiked hard because of it. |
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Posted: 10/21/2015 3:23:48 AM EST
[Last Edit: EXPY37]
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By powder007:
So, now i'm seriously thinking to go sub Q test. I have a couple questions that hopefully someone can answer. I do 80 mg one day a week. Am i supposed to split it into 2 doses of 40 mg and spread it out with a couple days in between? I also take anastrozole, the estrogen inhibitor .5 mg 1 day a week, in capsule form. Should i ask my doc for .25 mg capsules to take twice a week, 24 hrs after each SQ T injection? I notice my morning wood drop off a cliff if i miss my anastrozole and my libido was a little off. I just did it last week where i accidentally switched my days on the pill and my hcg injection, so i ended up doing my anastrozole 48 hrs after my T. I think my estrogen spiked hard because of it. 80 mg of what concentration do you do??? Re the capsule, do you know how to split it in half??? W/ no doc needed... |
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Posted: 10/21/2015 11:11:44 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXPY37:
80 mg of what concentration do you do??? Re the capsule, do you know how to split it in half??? W/ no doc needed... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXPY37:
Originally Posted By powder007:
So, now i'm seriously thinking to go sub Q test. I have a couple questions that hopefully someone can answer. I do 80 mg one day a week. Am i supposed to split it into 2 doses of 40 mg and spread it out with a couple days in between? I also take anastrozole, the estrogen inhibitor .5 mg 1 day a week, in capsule form. Should i ask my doc for .25 mg capsules to take twice a week, 24 hrs after each SQ T injection? I notice my morning wood drop off a cliff if i miss my anastrozole and my libido was a little off. I just did it last week where i accidentally switched my days on the pill and my hcg injection, so i ended up doing my anastrozole 48 hrs after my T. I think my estrogen spiked hard because of it. 80 mg of what concentration do you do??? Re the capsule, do you know how to split it in half??? W/ no doc needed... 200 mg/ml. No, i don't know how to split them. |
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Posted: 10/21/2015 11:51:44 AM EST
[Last Edit: jrzy]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By powder007: 200 mg/ml. No, i don't know how to split them. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By powder007: Originally Posted By EXPY37: Originally Posted By powder007: So, now i'm seriously thinking to go sub Q test. I have a couple questions that hopefully someone can answer. I do 80 mg one day a week. Am i supposed to split it into 2 doses of 40 mg and spread it out with a couple days in between? I also take anastrozole, the estrogen inhibitor .5 mg 1 day a week, in capsule form. Should i ask my doc for .25 mg capsules to take twice a week, 24 hrs after each SQ T injection? I notice my morning wood drop off a cliff if i miss my anastrozole and my libido was a little off. I just did it last week where i accidentally switched my days on the pill and my hcg injection, so i ended up doing my anastrozole 48 hrs after my T. I think my estrogen spiked hard because of it. 80 mg of what concentration do you do??? Re the capsule, do you know how to split it in half??? W/ no doc needed... 200 mg/ml. No, i don't know how to split them. Now you have a 1/4 mg in each pile, put it in a drink or back into the cap. You can also order gelatin caps (cheap from amazon) I don't think you're E2 is spiking hard like that, it could be but you better be careful not to crash your E2 hard If you do you'll feel like shit and sometimes it takes weeks to build your estrogen back up You need to get to know how exactly you feel when E2 is high, and low The best way to do that is when you feel your E2 is really high, go get blood work done for E2 Then when it comes back you can match how you felt to the actual number on that day Write down all your symptoms that day so when you do get the blood work back you can read what you felt like and see where your E2 was that day |
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Posted: 10/21/2015 7:13:07 PM EST
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For the new guys:
http://www.peaktestosterone.com/HRT_Estradiol_Men.aspx High and Low Estradiol Symptoms Low Estradiol: fatigue along the lines of sleepiness; hypersomnia (sleeping too much and too often); strong erections but limited sensitivity; loss of erections; osteoporosis and osteopenia; joint pain, clicking or popping joints; eye fatigue (eyes seem more tired despite adequate sleep, dark circles); loss of libido (interest in sex); difficulty retaining water (constant urination); anxiety, depression, irritability. Exclusive to low estradiol (usually): sleepiness fatigue; hypersomnia; limited penile sensitivity; osteoporosis/osteopenia, joint clicking/popping, pain; difficulty retaining water (urination); anxiety/depression. High Estradiol: soft erections, inability to maintain an erection; water retention (less frequent urination), leading to excessive sweating, including more than 2-3 pounds of weight loss after an intense cardio workout; blood pressure spikes or high blood pressure (from the water retention); insomnia; hot flushing (flushing around the ears or on the face); night sweats (from estradiol lowering, causing loss of water retention); bloating; brain fog (like your head is in a bubble); testicles seem smaller than usual (not accounted for by testicular atrophy via TRT). Exclusive to high estradiol (usually): soft erections, inability to maintain; water retention; excessive sweating; blood pressure spikes or high blood pressure; brain fog; night sweats; bloating. An important tip: if you have only one or two symptoms, you might not actually be suffering from high or low estradiol. The more you have, the more likely you have high or low estradiol. Pay extra attention to the ones underlined. Another tip: what’s the biggest lesson here? Learn to listen to your body. Pay attention to what it’s doing, and even create an Excel file charting changes day by day. I’m at the point now where I rarely need bloodwork to know if my estradiol is too high or too low. The following are tests I’ve thought up for determining if you have high or low estradiol. Know that this overlaps with the symptoms mentioned above. |
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Posted: 10/21/2015 7:17:27 PM EST
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OK so my buddy called me , he started TRT 2 months ago.
He was with his wife last night and he said everything was going good, fore play and all was great, he had no trouble getting it up, 10 minutes in he said his erection failed. So he's not sure whether is E2 is high or low. At this point 2 things 1-I'm not sure what to tell him, high or low E2 ? 2- Thank God for e-mail, I don't think some of these conversations go well on the phone or in person. So what do you quasi TRT Docs say? |
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Posted: 10/21/2015 9:00:27 PM EST
[Last Edit: AnvilUSMC]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jrzy:
OK so my buddy called me , he started TRT 2 months ago. He was with his wife last night and he said everything was going good, fore play and all was great, he had no trouble getting it up, 10 minutes in he said his erection failed. So he's not sure whether is E2 is high or low. At this point 2 things 1-I'm not sure what to tell him, high or low E2 ? 2- Thank God for e-mail, I don't think some of these conversations go well on the phone or in person. So what do you quasi TRT Docs say? If he just started TRT shouldn't he be getting blood work done soon to check all his levels until he gets situated(My doc was having me tested every 4-6 weeks until I leveled out)? If not, he should order some labs. Another thing I would ask him is if he was drinking(whiskey dick perhaps?), not everything is a hormone issue after all. Is he on an e2 blocker already? If he isn't I don't see how he'd be too low. You could go down the symptom list with him and see what he answers though to see what is more likely. Just some thoughts. Good luck! Edit, from your list above I would lean towards high estradiol. "Inability to maintain." |
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Posted: 10/22/2015 12:38:15 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AnvilUSMC: If he just started TRT shouldn't he be getting blood work done soon to check all his levels until he gets situated(My doc was having me tested every 4-6 weeks until I leveled out)? If not, he should order some labs. Another thing I would ask him is if he was drinking(whiskey dick perhaps?), not everything is a hormone issue after all. Is he on an e2 blocker already? If he isn't I don't see how he'd be too low. You could go down the symptom list with him and see what he answers though to see what is more likely. Just some thoughts. Good luck! Edit, from your list above I would lean towards high estradiol. "Inability to maintain." Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AnvilUSMC: Originally Posted By jrzy: OK so my buddy called me , he started TRT 2 months ago. He was with his wife last night and he said everything was going good, fore play and all was great, he had no trouble getting it up, 10 minutes in he said his erection failed. So he's not sure whether is E2 is high or low. At this point 2 things 1-I'm not sure what to tell him, high or low E2 ? 2- Thank God for e-mail, I don't think some of these conversations go well on the phone or in person. So what do you quasi TRT Docs say? If he just started TRT shouldn't he be getting blood work done soon to check all his levels until he gets situated(My doc was having me tested every 4-6 weeks until I leveled out)? If not, he should order some labs. Another thing I would ask him is if he was drinking(whiskey dick perhaps?), not everything is a hormone issue after all. Is he on an e2 blocker already? If he isn't I don't see how he'd be too low. You could go down the symptom list with him and see what he answers though to see what is more likely. Just some thoughts. Good luck! Edit, from your list above I would lean towards high estradiol. "Inability to maintain." By the way , getting and then losing wood is both a high & low E2 issue, many symptoms are both high & low symptoms. Thats why it's so hard to nail down. I have been on TRT for 2 years, did over 300 hours of research like many here, I still get fooled now and then about high or low E2, only difference is now I have learned to wait until a more pronounced symptom arises before upping my E2 or grabbing Anastrozole. By upping my E2 I mean taking extra HCG or a little more T to boost my T which will drive up my E2. Tomorrow I am shifting to subcutaneous injections. I don't really know what to expect. |
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Posted: 10/22/2015 2:10:41 AM EST
[Last Edit: EXPY37]
[#11]
I'd expect no change.
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Posted: 10/22/2015 3:10:07 AM EST
[Last Edit: powder007]
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I've had that same thing happen and it was high E2 and low T when the doc had me on 2 months on 1 month off HCG, so my body didn't get used to it. I had massive dips in T we found out when i went off HCG. I got labs done the very next day that were scheduled prior to it. It wasn't something we didn't overcome at the time, but it kind of kills the mood a little. I'd kinda gave up a bit because the sensitivity wasn't there. Luckily she's good at improvising. Now, i don't take any time off HCG.
I'm thinking next week i'll be switching to sub Q test shots. I'll do the pill split for my Anastrozole, but ask the doc for .25 mg tablets next time i re order meds. Luckily i have back stock of everything currently. HCG is the hardest to come by but i still have a 5 month supply. I'm due for labs soon, so i will probably get a lab before i switch, then a couple weeks after. So just to clarify, my 80 mg of 200 mg/ml test i should split into 2 doses of 40 mg right? Was thinking to bump it til i get my labs done afterwords to 2 doses of 50 mg. I'll have to rework my schedule a bit. Current: mon: hcg wed: 80 mg test thurs: .5 mg anastrozole fri: hcg Thinking to make it: mon: hcg, 50 mg test tues: .25 mg anastrozole thurs: 50 mg test fri: hcg, .25 mg anastrozole Does this look like a decent plan? |
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Posted: 10/22/2015 3:27:35 AM EST
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It sure is easy to chase your tail around with E2 levels. It really pays in the long run to be consistent and make very slow isolated changes. Otherwise all the blood work in the world won't help because your only capturing snapshots in time of a moving(bouncing) target. Also a good reason to use smaller, more frequent doses when you are still getting dialed in.
If it was me I'd know for sure my E2 was high if I had that issue, but I've heard of guys having that problem with low E2 as well. |
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Posted: 10/22/2015 12:33:07 PM EST
[Last Edit: EXPY37]
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Personally, I only take Arimidex when I think my E2 is getting too elevated, about a little over a week or so
Then I bite off a 1/3 or so of a 1 mg tab. It's really that simple for me.
I refuse to make this 'complicated' |
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Posted: 10/22/2015 1:41:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXPY37: I'd expect no change. That is probably why you have your E2 under control, the E2 rises so slowly if at all. I was going to switch over to sub injections today but I am pretty sure my E2 is low right now. I need it to come up and know for sure it's up before I switch over to the sub injections. |
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Posted: 10/22/2015 1:51:33 PM EST
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I don't know....
I've been posting abt S-Q inj for almost two years here since I arbitrarily and independently switched from IM a couple months after I started TRT. I guess it takes a long time for folks to adjust to 'change' or make up their mind to do something 
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Posted: 10/22/2015 2:24:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXPY37: I don't know.... I've been posting abt S-Q inj for almost two years here since I arbitrarily and independently switched from IM a couple months after I started TRT. I guess it takes a long time for folks to adjust to 'change' or make up their mind to do something I never really heard too much about Sub injections or the benefits other than less scaring from IM injections. The slower and evened out ride is great, the lesser E2 is even better. Now that I have done a ton of research on it I am switching over. I believe even Dr Crisler was against Sub injections at first than after he researched it and tried it himself. |
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Posted: 10/22/2015 3:15:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jrzy:
Tomorrow I am shifting to subcutaneous injections. I don't really know what to expect. I am switching to SQ as well, but I'm doing a gradual switch. Today I injected .4 SQ and Sunday I will inject .6 IM. I will gradually up the SQ and lower the IM dosage over several weeks. Trying to avoid the SQ dip I have read about. |
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Posted: 10/22/2015 10:54:30 PM EST
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Just a clarification - Is anyone doing Sub Q injections anywhere other than lower stomach area?
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Posted: 10/23/2015 3:15:07 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXPY37:
I don't know.... I've been posting abt S-Q inj for almost two years here since I arbitrarily and independently switched from IM a couple months after I started TRT. I guess it takes a long time for folks to adjust to 'change' or make up their mind to do something
I only started reading this thread like a week ago. I like change. I guess maybe i should play it by ear though on the anastrozole huh. If you guys are saying SQ lowers your E2 on it's own, i don't want to go too low. |
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Posted: 10/23/2015 3:16:03 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bassman2:
Just a clarification - Is anyone doing Sub Q injections anywhere other than lower stomach area? I do SQ HCG on my lower stomach. I rotate all the way around though. Try to do different spots all the time. I do have a little scarring though. |
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Posted: 10/23/2015 3:53:36 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bassman2:
Just a clarification - Is anyone doing Sub Q injections anywhere other than lower stomach area? I also do glutes, thighs, and obliques. |
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Posted: 10/23/2015 10:28:17 AM EST
[Last Edit: jeep450]
[#23]
Finally got a copy of my lab results
This is what he prescribed. I just noticed it says every 4 weeks but he told me every week. 
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Posted: 10/23/2015 11:08:10 AM EST
[Last Edit: EXPY37]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By powder007:
I only started reading this thread like a week ago. I like change. I guess maybe i should play it by ear though on the anastrozole huh. If you guys are saying SQ lowers your E2 on it's own, i don't want to go too low. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By powder007:
Originally Posted By EXPY37:
I don't know.... I've been posting abt S-Q inj for almost two years here since I arbitrarily and independently switched from IM a couple months after I started TRT. I guess it takes a long time for folks to adjust to 'change' or make up their mind to do something
I only started reading this thread like a week ago. I like change. I guess maybe i should play it by ear though on the anastrozole huh. If you guys are saying SQ lowers your E2 on it's own, i don't want to go too low. Some may think it does, others may not, only one way to find out for yourself... And that will take time and effort and still may never resolve the question ---for you... As you 'experiment' for the 'best' amt to take, I'd suggest going slow with small amts. If a compounding pharm is preparing your Arimidex, I'd check $$$ carefully, because tabs are quite inexpensive. |
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Posted: 10/23/2015 7:44:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jeep450:
Finally got a copy of my lab results http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee126/jeep450/2F67C66A-D386-49AF-B10F-22CFFAB12DED.jpg http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee126/jeep450/8556FF80-B032-4083-9083-437083CEBCC7.jpg This is what he prescribed. I just noticed it says every 4 weeks but he told me every week. http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee126/jeep450/1A806883-C670-4CD7-B956-85CF0D8F4FB3.jpg What were your LH and FSH #'s ? |
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Posted: 10/24/2015 9:00:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BASE:
It sure is easy to chase your tail around with E2 levels. It really pays in the long run to be consistent and make very slow isolated changes. Otherwise all the blood work in the world won't help because your only capturing snapshots in time of a moving(bouncing) target. Also a good reason to use smaller, more frequent doses when you are still getting dialed in. If it was me I'd know for sure my E2 was high if I had that issue, but I've heard of guys having that problem with low E2 as well. For the average TRT dose I dont think an AI is going to be necessary. But its good to pull your E2 once/ twice a year to be sure. |
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Posted: 10/24/2015 9:05:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By medicmandan:
I've been doing the same with my HCG injections. I don't feel a thing. I would have no complaints switching over to SQ for TRT shots too. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By medicmandan:
Originally Posted By pumbaajk:
Originally Posted By bowhuntr09:
Originally Posted By pumbaajk:
I use 27ga 1/2". I load them like I do any other needle. So draw needle and then switch, or you just draw with the 27ga? I draw and inject with the same 27ga. It takes some time but I'm not really in a rush when I do my injections. I've been doing the same with my HCG injections. I don't feel a thing. I would have no complaints switching over to SQ for TRT shots too. I dont see much of a reason not to try it. If it seems like you arent feeling as good, then switch back to IM. The only difference I could ascertain is maybe I dont feel the rush or crash as hard. Thats a plus to me. Labs dont seem to be off so I have no concerns about it. |
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Posted: 10/24/2015 10:00:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By killswitch:
For the average TRT dose I dont think an AI is going to be necessary. But its good to pull your E2 once/ twice a year to be sure. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By killswitch:
Originally Posted By BASE:
It sure is easy to chase your tail around with E2 levels. It really pays in the long run to be consistent and make very slow isolated changes. Otherwise all the blood work in the world won't help because your only capturing snapshots in time of a moving(bouncing) target. Also a good reason to use smaller, more frequent doses when you are still getting dialed in. If it was me I'd know for sure my E2 was high if I had that issue, but I've heard of guys having that problem with low E2 as well. For the average TRT dose I dont think an AI is going to be necessary. But its good to pull your E2 once/ twice a year to be sure. Would you define "Average TRT dose"??? |
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Posted: 10/24/2015 10:29:57 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2tired2run:
What were your LH and FSH #'s ? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2tired2run:
Originally Posted By jeep450:
Finally got a copy of my lab results http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee126/jeep450/2F67C66A-D386-49AF-B10F-22CFFAB12DED.jpg http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee126/jeep450/8556FF80-B032-4083-9083-437083CEBCC7.jpg This is what he prescribed. I just noticed it says every 4 weeks but he told me every week. http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee126/jeep450/1A806883-C670-4CD7-B956-85CF0D8F4FB3.jpg What were your LH and FSH #'s ? All test results were posted of test that were ran. |
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Posted: 10/25/2015 11:48:55 AM EST
[#30]
Anyone feel not as good when doing say one Ml per week as opposed to a lesser dose?
What I mean is I feel really good as I get to the end of shot, like the day right before my next shot I feel really good, even the next 2 days if I don't take the shot I feel better than say the day or 2 after a shot. I was thinking maybe my dose is too high & interfering with with everything working good? I am doing 1/2 Ml every 4th or 5th day Is less sometimes better? |
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Posted: 10/25/2015 12:19:27 PM EST
[#31]
I am a little confused on dosage.
I was just reading a few forums on T They were saying most doses were 100Mg per week My T comes in a 10 Ml bottle at 200mg So there's 200 Mg in every 1 Ml If I am injecting 1 Ml of 200 MG test C per week am I doing double the recommended dose? |
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Posted: 10/25/2015 12:26:47 PM EST
[Last Edit: medicmandan]
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jrzy:
I am a little confused on dosage. I was just reading a few forums on T They were saying most doses were 100Mg per week My T comes in a 10 Ml bottle at 200mg So there's 200 Mg in every 1 Ml If I am injecting 1 Ml of 200 MG test C per week am I doing double the recommended dose? There isn't any hard and firm doses that will work for everyone. It is very dependent on the individual and your lab numbers. What are your T and E2 numbers at 200mg per week? I do 60mg 2x a week plus 500IU HCG 2x a week to keep my T between 700-800. |
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Posted: 10/25/2015 12:39:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By medicmandan: There isn't any hard and firm doses that will work for everyone. It is very dependent on the individual and your lab numbers. What are your T and E2 numbers at 200mg per week? I do 60mg 2x a week plus 500IU HCG 2x a week to keep my T between 700-800. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By medicmandan: Originally Posted By jrzy: I am a little confused on dosage. I was just reading a few forums on T They were saying most doses were 100Mg per week My T comes in a 10 Ml bottle at 200mg So there's 200 Mg in every 1 Ml If I am injecting 1 Ml of 200 MG test C per week am I doing double the recommended dose? There isn't any hard and firm doses that will work for everyone. It is very dependent on the individual and your lab numbers. What are your T and E2 numbers at 200mg per week? I do 60mg 2x a week plus 500IU HCG 2x a week to keep my T between 700-800. So if your T is 200mg per Ml you're injecting just over a 1/2 Ml (volume wise) twice per week correct? I am injecting 100 mg twice per week My T is running (total) around 1100 It's too high, I am using too much and losing the proper effect |
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Posted: 10/25/2015 1:12:31 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jrzy:
OK, so when you say you inject 60 MG of T, you're talking about the strength of the T, not the volume in the syringe correct? So if your T is 200mg per Ml you're injecting just over a 1/2 Ml (volume wise) twice per week correct? I am injecting 100 mg twice per week My T is running (total) around 1100 It's too high, I am using too much and losing the proper effect Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jrzy:
Originally Posted By medicmandan:
Originally Posted By jrzy:
I am a little confused on dosage. I was just reading a few forums on T They were saying most doses were 100Mg per week My T comes in a 10 Ml bottle at 200mg So there's 200 Mg in every 1 Ml If I am injecting 1 Ml of 200 MG test C per week am I doing double the recommended dose? There isn't any hard and firm doses that will work for everyone. It is very dependent on the individual and your lab numbers. What are your T and E2 numbers at 200mg per week? I do 60mg 2x a week plus 500IU HCG 2x a week to keep my T between 700-800. So if your T is 200mg per Ml you're injecting just over a 1/2 Ml (volume wise) twice per week correct? I am injecting 100 mg twice per week My T is running (total) around 1100 It's too high, I am using too much and losing the proper effect At 800 mg a month you are getting into supra physiological territory. For me Id estimate that would put me between 1200 - 1400 total T. Which while not completely crazy is a hair too high. IMO 800 - 1000 total T is the sweet spot for TRT. Id consider dropping that dose a little. Or at least adopting a blast/ cruise schedule even though its TRT. If you arent looking to add lots of muscle whats the point of TRT? To feel good/ good quality of life. That isnt necessarily at the highest hormone levels possible as you have to maintain balance with many other processes also. Not just testosterone. Ive been everywhere from 200 - 1400 total T, and 900 is my goal now. It is man specific though so everyone has to try all this out for himself. |
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Posted: 10/25/2015 1:19:23 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jrzy:
I am a little confused on dosage. I was just reading a few forums on T They were saying most doses were 100Mg per week My T comes in a 10 Ml bottle at 200mg So there's 200 Mg in every 1 Ml If I am injecting 1 Ml of 200 MG test C per week am I doing double the recommended dose? The most common TRT dose in the US is ~ 400 mg a month. That will put the average guy at 600 - 750 total T. Interval is also important. Most of those guys are probably getting 1 - 2 doses a month to make up that 400 mg. Thats the opposite of what you want. Twice a week is best for most, unless you just love shooting every day for some reason. |
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Posted: 10/25/2015 2:22:23 PM EST
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[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By killswitch:
The most common TRT dose in the US is ~ 400 mg a month. That will put the average guy at 600 - 750 total T. Interval is also important. Most of those guys are probably getting 1 - 2 doses a month to make up that 400 mg. Thats the opposite of what you want. Twice a week is best for most, unless you just love shooting every day for some reason. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By killswitch:
Originally Posted By jrzy:
I am a little confused on dosage. I was just reading a few forums on T They were saying most doses were 100Mg per week My T comes in a 10 Ml bottle at 200mg So there's 200 Mg in every 1 Ml If I am injecting 1 Ml of 200 MG test C per week am I doing double the recommended dose? The most common TRT dose in the US is ~ 400 mg a month. That will put the average guy at 600 - 750 total T. Interval is also important. Most of those guys are probably getting 1 - 2 doses a month to make up that 400 mg. Thats the opposite of what you want. Twice a week is best for most, unless you just love shooting every day for some reason. Where did you get this info?? I ask for the sake of discussion. |
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Posted: 10/25/2015 2:28:36 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jrzy:
Anyone feel not as good when doing say one Ml per week as opposed to a lesser dose? What I mean is I feel really good as I get to the end of shot, like the day right before my next shot I feel really good, even the next 2 days if I don't take the shot I feel better than say the day or 2 after a shot. I was thinking maybe my dose is too high & interfering with with everything working good? I am doing 1/2 Ml every 4th or 5th day Is less sometimes better? Haven't we gone over this? |
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Posted: 10/25/2015 2:29:45 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jrzy:
OK, so when you say you inject 60 MG of T, you're talking about the strength of the T, not the volume in the syringe correct? So if your T is 200mg per Ml you're injecting just over a 1/2 Ml (volume wise) twice per week correct? I am injecting 100 mg twice per week My T is running (total) around 1100 It's too high, I am using too much and losing the proper effect Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jrzy:
Originally Posted By medicmandan:
Originally Posted By jrzy:
I am a little confused on dosage. I was just reading a few forums on T They were saying most doses were 100Mg per week My T comes in a 10 Ml bottle at 200mg So there's 200 Mg in every 1 Ml If I am injecting 1 Ml of 200 MG test C per week am I doing double the recommended dose? There isn't any hard and firm doses that will work for everyone. It is very dependent on the individual and your lab numbers. What are your T and E2 numbers at 200mg per week? I do 60mg 2x a week plus 500IU HCG 2x a week to keep my T between 700-800. So if your T is 200mg per Ml you're injecting just over a 1/2 Ml (volume wise) twice per week correct? I am injecting 100 mg twice per week My T is running (total) around 1100 It's too high, I am using too much and losing the proper effect Seriously? Loosing the proper effect? Wtf does that even mean? |
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Posted: 10/25/2015 2:51:28 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By killswitch:
At 800 mg a month you are getting into supra physiological territory. For me Id estimate that would put me between 1200 - 1400 total T. Which while not completely crazy is a hair too high. IMO 800 - 1000 total T is the sweet spot for TRT. Id consider dropping that dose a little. Or at least adopting a blast/ cruise schedule even though its TRT. If you arent looking to add lots of muscle whats the point of TRT? To feel good/ good quality of life. That isnt necessarily at the highest hormone levels possible as you have to maintain balance with many other processes also. Not just testosterone. Ive been everywhere from 200 - 1400 total T, and 900 is my goal now. It is man specific though so everyone has to try all this out for himself. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By killswitch:
Originally Posted By jrzy:
Originally Posted By medicmandan:
Originally Posted By jrzy:
I am a little confused on dosage. I was just reading a few forums on T They were saying most doses were 100Mg per week My T comes in a 10 Ml bottle at 200mg So there's 200 Mg in every 1 Ml If I am injecting 1 Ml of 200 MG test C per week am I doing double the recommended dose? There isn't any hard and firm doses that will work for everyone. It is very dependent on the individual and your lab numbers. What are your T and E2 numbers at 200mg per week? I do 60mg 2x a week plus 500IU HCG 2x a week to keep my T between 700-800. So if your T is 200mg per Ml you're injecting just over a 1/2 Ml (volume wise) twice per week correct? I am injecting 100 mg twice per week My T is running (total) around 1100 It's too high, I am using too much and losing the proper effect At 800 mg a month you are getting into supra physiological territory. For me Id estimate that would put me between 1200 - 1400 total T. Which while not completely crazy is a hair too high. IMO 800 - 1000 total T is the sweet spot for TRT. Id consider dropping that dose a little. Or at least adopting a blast/ cruise schedule even though its TRT. If you arent looking to add lots of muscle whats the point of TRT? To feel good/ good quality of life. That isnt necessarily at the highest hormone levels possible as you have to maintain balance with many other processes also. Not just testosterone. Ive been everywhere from 200 - 1400 total T, and 900 is my goal now. It is man specific though so everyone has to try all this out for himself. I myself agree that the mid 900s is the sweet spot for every day use of TRT. I've been as high as 2500+ and boy, that was pure living hell. For the wife....
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Posted: 10/25/2015 3:43:31 PM EST
[Last Edit: killswitch]
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXPY37:
Where did you get this info?? I ask for the sake of discussion. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXPY37:
Originally Posted By killswitch:
Originally Posted By jrzy:
I am a little confused on dosage. I was just reading a few forums on T They were saying most doses were 100Mg per week My T comes in a 10 Ml bottle at 200mg So there's 200 Mg in every 1 Ml If I am injecting 1 Ml of 200 MG test C per week am I doing double the recommended dose? The most common TRT dose in the US is ~ 400 mg a month. That will put the average guy at 600 - 750 total T. Interval is also important. Most of those guys are probably getting 1 - 2 doses a month to make up that 400 mg. Thats the opposite of what you want. Twice a week is best for most, unless you just love shooting every day for some reason. Where did you get this info?? I ask for the sake of discussion. http://www.medscape.org/viewarticle/575492 "The most commonly recommended dosing regimen for TE or TC is 100 to 200 mg IM every 2 weeks[1] or, as the American Association of Clinical Endocrinologists recommends, when testosterone levels are just above the lower limit of normal, in the range of 250 to 300 ng/dL.[4] The Endocrine Society recommends measuring levels midway between injections and adjusting dose or frequency to achieve levels in the midnormal range.[5]" Thats not an ideal source but it corresponds to what my research has shown. From 300 - 400 mg of TC a month seems to be the standard. With 400 mg being the most typical since its easiest to just shoot a guy up with 1 - 2 shots a month in house. Its a nice dependable cash cow, and the older males dont complain too much because they are getting enough out of it and can flirt a bit with the nurses. |
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Posted: 10/25/2015 3:51:18 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pumbaajk:
I myself agree that the mid 900s is the sweet spot for every day use of TRT. I've been as high as 2500+ and boy, that was pure living hell. For the wife.... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pumbaajk:
Originally Posted By killswitch:
Originally Posted By jrzy:
Originally Posted By medicmandan:
Originally Posted By jrzy:
I am a little confused on dosage. I was just reading a few forums on T They were saying most doses were 100Mg per week My T comes in a 10 Ml bottle at 200mg So there's 200 Mg in every 1 Ml If I am injecting 1 Ml of 200 MG test C per week am I doing double the recommended dose? For me its about mapping the point of diminishing returns. And 920 There isn't any hard and firm doses that will work for everyone. It is very dependent on the individual and your lab numbers. What are your T and E2 numbers at 200mg per week? I do 60mg 2x a week plus 500IU HCG 2x a week to keep my T between 700-800. So if your T is 200mg per Ml you're injecting just over a 1/2 Ml (volume wise) twice per week correct? I am injecting 100 mg twice per week My T is running (total) around 1100 It's too high, I am using too much and losing the proper effect At 800 mg a month you are getting into supra physiological territory. For me Id estimate that would put me between 1200 - 1400 total T. Which while not completely crazy is a hair too high. IMO 800 - 1000 total T is the sweet spot for TRT. Id consider dropping that dose a little. Or at least adopting a blast/ cruise schedule even though its TRT. If you arent looking to add lots of muscle whats the point of TRT? To feel good/ good quality of life. That isnt necessarily at the highest hormone levels possible as you have to maintain balance with many other processes also. Not just testosterone. Ive been everywhere from 200 - 1400 total T, and 900 is my goal now. It is man specific though so everyone has to try all this out for himself. I myself agree that the mid 900s is the sweet spot for every day use of TRT. I've been as high as 2500+ and boy, that was pure living hell. For the wife.... For me its about mapping the point of diminishing returns. And 920 in the trough is where I start to reduce my dosage slightly. |
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Posted: 10/25/2015 4:23:51 PM EST
[#42]
I guess I've never felt the my dosage is to high effects. I've only heard about a few people with those issues and they are pretty much limited to jrzy and his constant tail chasing.
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Posted: 10/25/2015 6:22:08 PM EST
[Last Edit: jrzy]
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pumbaajk: I guess I've never felt the my dosage is to high effects. I've only heard about a few people with those issues and they are pretty much limited to jrzy and his constant tail chasing. Over dosage , not to be confused with overdosing causes a lot of people problems. Other parts of the body do not work correctly when you use too much T You always seem to think more is better, as in at a T Level of 2500 it's hell on your wife, most guys would have ED with aT level that high and E2 would spike like hell. You can also damage organs running too much T No one running a T level, that high has a normal heart rate. It has to rise When your T was 2500 what was your at rest heart rate? At 2500 your hematocrit levels aren't high? |
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Posted: 10/25/2015 6:29:43 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pumbaajk: Haven't we gone over this? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pumbaajk: Originally Posted By jrzy: Anyone feel not as good when doing say one Ml per week as opposed to a lesser dose? What I mean is I feel really good as I get to the end of shot, like the day right before my next shot I feel really good, even the next 2 days if I don't take the shot I feel better than say the day or 2 after a shot. I was thinking maybe my dose is too high & interfering with with everything working good? I am doing 1/2 Ml every 4th or 5th day Is less sometimes better? Haven't we gone over this? |
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Posted: 10/25/2015 6:45:04 PM EST
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This is from T Nation
100 mg. a week would probably take you between 700 and 900 ng/dl 200 would bring you up between 1200 and 1500 300 would take you above 2,000 total T |
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Posted: 10/25/2015 6:47:30 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jrzy:
Well from the research I did today it appears I am far from alone.well good. At least you've got a support group. Over dosage , not to be confused with overdosing causes a lot of people problems. Other parts of the body do not work correctly when you use too much Tlike what? I never had any problems with any parts of my body working. If anything, my shit was more squared away and I healed faster, lifted harder and moved more. You always seem to think more is better, as in at a T Level of 2500 it's hell on your wife, most guys would have ED with aT level that high and E2 would spike like hell. your lack of knowledge in this part only verifies you have a lot of more studying to do. Step outside of the box. Stop reading reports and medical journals by retard doctors. You can also damage organs running too much T. i did bloods ever 30 days for this issue. None arose. No one running a T level, that high has a normal heart rate. It has to risewhy? Not if you donate blood and plasma regularly When your T was 2500 what was your at rest heart rate?around 70. No changes noted along with blood pressure or anxiety or hypertension At 2500 your hematocrit levels aren't high?see above Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jrzy:
Originally Posted By pumbaajk:
I guess I've never felt the my dosage is to high effects. I've only heard about a few people with those issues and they are pretty much limited to jrzy and his constant tail chasing. Over dosage , not to be confused with overdosing causes a lot of people problems. Other parts of the body do not work correctly when you use too much Tlike what? I never had any problems with any parts of my body working. If anything, my shit was more squared away and I healed faster, lifted harder and moved more. You always seem to think more is better, as in at a T Level of 2500 it's hell on your wife, most guys would have ED with aT level that high and E2 would spike like hell. your lack of knowledge in this part only verifies you have a lot of more studying to do. Step outside of the box. Stop reading reports and medical journals by retard doctors. You can also damage organs running too much T. i did bloods ever 30 days for this issue. None arose. No one running a T level, that high has a normal heart rate. It has to risewhy? Not if you donate blood and plasma regularly When your T was 2500 what was your at rest heart rate?around 70. No changes noted along with blood pressure or anxiety or hypertension At 2500 your hematocrit levels aren't high?see above The issue I have jrzy is you have brought this same issue up about a dozen times. You have it in your mind that because you feel bad it must be the testosterone. Ever consider it could be you just have had a bad day? Ever consider that maybe it something else in your body that could be going haywire? Listen, I personally know gentlemen who have pushed more than a GRAM of testosterone through their veins a week for a year straight. They haven't complained near as much as you have. |
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Posted: 10/25/2015 6:52:04 PM EST
[Last Edit: pumbaajk]
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jrzy:
So why respond then, ignore it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jrzy:
Originally Posted By pumbaajk:
Originally Posted By jrzy:
Anyone feel not as good when doing say one Ml per week as opposed to a lesser dose? What I mean is I feel really good as I get to the end of shot, like the day right before my next shot I feel really good, even the next 2 days if I don't take the shot I feel better than say the day or 2 after a shot. I was thinking maybe my dose is too high & interfering with with everything working good? I am doing 1/2 Ml every 4th or 5th day Is less sometimes better? Haven't we gone over this? I respond because I'm trying to help. You change your shit up or talk like you change your shit up more than I change underwear. How can you figure a baseline out if you're constantly on the move? Keep a protocol for 3 months then do bloods. Wash rinse repeat. I would say this isn't science but in reality it is.
And another reason I respond is because their are other newer guys who read this. They don't have the time vested we do. They read something on here and take it to heart. There's a whole world of information on this subject outside of arfcom. |
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Posted: 10/25/2015 7:14:27 PM EST
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Where the hell is this BS coming from? Damaging organs and ED from having too much T? Mismanaging E2 and hematocrit maybe, but that's not the same as having a high T level. I've never heard of anyone damaging organs from maintaining high T, and I know a shitload of guys that haven't seen levels as low as yours in 20-30 years. If there is some mechanism that could be described to me that would result in damage or ED from having high T in the absence of some out of range E2 or hematocrit, I'd really love to hear about it.
I don't want to get out of bed when I'm below 1000. I sure as hell don't want to chase the old lady around with those levels. I'm glad I have a doc that thinks nothing of 250-300/week. I also have stacks of bloodwork I've done over the years that show I'm only getting more healthy. Pre-diabetes is gone, liver and kidney functions are still improving (they were never out of range), and my lipid profile has even improved. |
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Posted: 10/25/2015 7:19:02 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pumbaajk:
And another reason I respond is because their are other newer guys who read this. They don't have the time vested we do. They read something on here and take it to heart. There's a whole world of information on this subject outside of arfcom. When I search google for "diatomacious earth to lower hematocrit levels" what link do you think comes up? This thread. None of the steroid forums come up on the first page for that google search. Thats an example how this topic is leading internet message boards in educating men about TRT. This thread is responsible for me identifying that I had an issue with my testosterone levels. This one thread has helped probably thousands of men in some form or another. Including revolutionizing some of their lives. Thats pretty good for a bunch of idiots on a gun board. |
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Posted: 10/25/2015 7:19:08 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BASE:
Where the hell is this BS coming from? Damaging organs and ED from having too much T? Mismanaging E2 and hematocrit maybe, but that's not the same as having a high T level. I've never heard of anyone damaging organs from maintaining high T, and I know a shitload of guys that haven't seen levels as low as yours in 20-30 years. If there is some mechanism that could be described to me that would result in damage or ED from having high T in the absence of some out of range E2 or hematocrit, I'd really love to hear about it. I don't want to get out of bed when I'm below 1000. I sure as hell don't want to chase the old lady around with those levels. I'm glad I have a doc that thinks nothing of 250-300/week. I also have stacks of bloodwork I've done over the years that show I'm only getting more healthy. Pre-diabetes is gone, liver and kidney functions are still improving (they were never out of range), and my lipid profile has even improved. Shut the fuck up with your real world experience. It's not wanted here. 
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