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Posted: 7/17/2014 8:12:30 AM EDT
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And now NATO ground forces will roll into Eastern Ukraine on the basis of suppressing a rogue separatist element which just shot down a passenger plane...
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Posted: 7/17/2014 8:12:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They're saying it was a surface to air missle. Anyone think Russia gave separatist the missle. |
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Posted: 7/17/2014 8:12:49 AM EDT
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Ukraine Reporter ?@StateOfUkraine 8m
#Russia'n cmdr Strelkov commented on downed #MH17 (thinking it was Ukrainian): "We warned - do not fly in our skies" |
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Posted: 7/17/2014 8:12:51 AM EDT
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In Soviet Russia, missile cancels flight. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's the most fucked up way to cancel a flight...  In Soviet Russia, missile cancels flight. Flight cancels you. 
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Posted: 7/17/2014 8:13:06 AM EDT
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They're saying it was a surface to air missle. Anyone think Russia gave separatist the missle. Well, it's not like they'd have developed and built a missile themselves. |
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Posted: 7/17/2014 8:13:07 AM EDT
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AWESOME! I am flying to Eastern Europe tomorrow for a two week vacation.
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Posted: 7/17/2014 8:13:24 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/17/2014 8:13:35 AM EDT
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Funny how this all happenes after FBHO bans Russian AKs
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Posted: 7/17/2014 8:13:44 AM EDT
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And now NATO ground forces will roll into Eastern Ukraine on the basis of suppressing a rogue separatist element which just shot down a passenger plane... 
NATO is sitting this one out. |
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Posted: 7/17/2014 8:14:09 AM EDT
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IN on this one.
LET THE FINGER POINTING, UNWARRANTED ASSUMPTIONS AND DISPERSION OF NON-VERIFIED INFORMATION COMMENCE! 
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Posted: 7/17/2014 8:14:28 AM EDT
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Makes you want to start thinking like a Mission Impossible or James Bond screenwriter and start looking to see if any russians shorted malaysian Airlines stock recently.
WTF could anybody be thinking to cut loose a missile at a commercial airliner? Ukies dropped Siberia Airlines Flight 1812 a few years back. *shrug* Easier than hitting fighter-sized targets, I guess. |
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Posted: 7/17/2014 8:14:59 AM EDT
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Myroslava Petsa ?@myroslavapetsa 1m
Editor of Russia Today and RIA-News agency Margarita Simonyan must think why she put news about downed by DPR "Ukrainian" cargo plane today |
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Posted: 7/17/2014 8:15:23 AM EDT
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Flight path
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Posted: 7/17/2014 8:15:27 AM EDT
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My money is on trigger-happy Russian separatists who thought it was a Ukrainian AN26 or similar.
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Posted: 7/17/2014 8:16:04 AM EDT
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What sort of air defense systems does Ukraine maintain? I would assume they and the Russians would have the technical capability to shoot down a high altitude aircraft. Buk is good to 65k feet Looks like (Wikipedia) they operate the SA-10 / S-300 as well, up to 90k ft / 30km |
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Posted: 7/17/2014 8:16:33 AM EDT
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Buk missile launcher was spotted by Journalists in rebel controlled territory earlier today:
"Anton Gerashenko, an adviser to Ukraine's interior minister, said on his Facebook page the plane was flying at an altitude of 10,000 meters (33,000 feet) when it was hit by a missile fired from a Buk launcher. A similar launcher was seen by Associated Press journalists near the eastern Ukrainian town of Snizhne earlier Thursday. The Buk missile system can fire missiles up to an altitude of 22,000 meters (72,000 feet)." ETA: Snizhne is due east of Donetsk, the plane crashed due east of Donetsk. |
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Posted: 7/17/2014 8:16:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh boy. Sounds like the rebels shot down the wrong aircraft. Unless we start getting into some really off the wall stuff, that seems to make the most sense. Anxious, poorly trained, maybe even faulty equipment.
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Posted: 7/17/2014 8:16:38 AM EDT
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I think the chances are high it was the separatist knowing they have taken out a few Ukrainian jets in similar fashion in the past week. Itchy trigger fingers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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FUCK! http://news.sky.com/story/1302864/malaysian-plane-shot-down-with-295-on-board Live video feed at link Aviation expert Major Charles Hayman told Sky News: "It's highly likely this aircraft was flying along a fault line between Russian and Ukrainian defences. "It’s possible the Ukrainians flapped a bit, thought it was hostile and shot it down. "Perhaps it was confusion at the Ukrainian air defence centre. "It looks like someone failed to recognise this was a civilian plane and shot it down." If this gets pinned on Ukraine you can bet your last dollar Russia is going to roll tanks into Ukraine and grab some more territory. I think the chances are high it was the separatist knowing they have taken out a few Ukrainian jets in similar fashion in the past week. Itchy trigger fingers. Do separatists have that Bkd of Sam ? Manpads maybe but I don't think they have those. |
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Posted: 7/17/2014 8:16:43 AM EDT
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Russia said they didn't do it, so I guess they get to keep Crimea.
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Posted: 7/17/2014 8:16:54 AM EDT
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So, will Malaysia invade Ukraine or Russia?
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Posted: 7/17/2014 8:16:59 AM EDT
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From Sky news. They are blaming the Ukrainians. Quote HistoryQuoted:
From Sky news. They are blaming the Ukrainians. Aviation expert Major Charles Hayman told Sky News: "It's highly likely this aircraft was flying along a fault line between Russian and Ukrainian defences. "It’s possible the Ukrainians flapped a bit, thought it was hostile and shot it down. That doesn't even begin to make sense. It had already traveled the length of the country and was headed out. |
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Posted: 7/17/2014 8:17:12 AM EDT
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How about the Europeans? There were probably a bunch of Dutch folks, and probably German, English, French, etc, on that plane. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If Russia fucked up and shot it down there may end up being a lot of pissed off Chinese. They may not care what the west has to say but I'm sure they were planning on the Chinese looking the other way so this could have consequences for Russia in its little affair with Ukraine. Yup. That too. Europe was in a "we don't really give a shit" mode before this. Will this change? Will Russia care what NATO countries say? I think they already factored that into their thinking to some degree but they probably were not counting on a fuck up like this. Russians may look like they don't care about their international image but in reality, they probably do. It will depend on how many people from China and Europe were on the plane. This will increase world attention on Russias BS in the area. |
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Posted: 7/17/2014 8:17:31 AM EDT
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Russia and Ukraine both deny involvement.
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Posted: 7/17/2014 8:17:37 AM EDT
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Yes. At the very least they'd be able to know something was an airliner. Everybody has IFF. If the crew was trained and knew what they're doing of course. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This should get interesting. I'm curious about SAMs and target ID. Could an SA-17 crew know S0 they're aiming at? Yes. At the very least they'd be able to know something was an airliner. Everybody has IFF. If the crew was trained and knew what they're doing of course. And you are wrong! Airliners and civilian planes have mode C transponders not IFF transponders. |
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Posted: 7/17/2014 8:18:10 AM EDT
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There are SAMs perfectly capable of this Quote HistoryQuoted:
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According to FlightAware it was level at 33,000 feet. Other than a jet, what ground-based asset could shoot it down that would be in that area? "analyst" on CNN saying at that altitude it would most likely have been air to air. That would be "interesting"!! 
There are SAMs perfectly capable of this Yup |
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Posted: 7/17/2014 8:18:17 AM EDT
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I wonder if anyone in particular was targeted or if this was just a target of opportunity.
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Posted: 7/17/2014 8:18:32 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/17/2014 8:18:39 AM EDT
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Unless we start getting into some really off the wall stuff, that seems to make the most sense. Anxious, poorly trained, maybe even faulty equipment. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Oh boy. Sounds like the rebels shot down the wrong aircraft. Unless we start getting into some really off the wall stuff, that seems to make the most sense. Anxious, poorly trained, maybe even faulty equipment. Sounds like Soviet SOP |
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Posted: 7/17/2014 8:18:40 AM EDT
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We will have to wait and see if DSP detected the SAM launch as it did in October 2001 when Siberia Airlines flight 1812 was shot down over the Black Sea by the Ukranians.
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Posted: 7/17/2014 8:18:46 AM EDT
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Do separatists have that Bkd of Sam ? Manpads maybe but I don't think they have those. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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FUCK! http://news.sky.com/story/1302864/malaysian-plane-shot-down-with-295-on-board Live video feed at link Aviation expert Major Charles Hayman told Sky News: "It's highly likely this aircraft was flying along a fault line between Russian and Ukrainian defences. "It’s possible the Ukrainians flapped a bit, thought it was hostile and shot it down. "Perhaps it was confusion at the Ukrainian air defence centre. "It looks like someone failed to recognise this was a civilian plane and shot it down." If this gets pinned on Ukraine you can bet your last dollar Russia is going to roll tanks into Ukraine and grab some more territory. I think the chances are high it was the separatist knowing they have taken out a few Ukrainian jets in similar fashion in the past week. Itchy trigger fingers. Do separatists have that Bkd of Sam ? Manpads maybe but I don't think they have those. Journalists filmed them just a few days ago with at least 1 Buk and 1 other SAM launcher. |
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Posted: 7/17/2014 8:19:06 AM EDT
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Russian BUK SA-11. Possible system that brought it down.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buk_missile_system  |
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Posted: 7/17/2014 8:19:09 AM EDT
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You must be fucking stupid to plan a flight over a battlefield where they shoot down planes daily... Honestly.
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Posted: 7/17/2014 8:19:16 AM EDT
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Flighttracker shows the flight terminating in NW Ukraine, south of Belarus.
Do the russians have their missiles forward deployed in Belarus or in separatist controlled Ukraine? That missile system is not something you just loan out to the rebels. |
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Posted: 7/17/2014 8:19:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder if anyone in particular was targeted or if this was just a target of opportunity. |
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Posted: 7/17/2014 8:19:35 AM EDT
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Giraldo is on and he is MAD. Blames Putin. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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and the media has finally caught up to arfcom https://www.google.com/#q=mh17&safe=off&tbm=nws Interdasting. Did he stamp his little feet? |
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Posted: 7/17/2014 8:20:19 AM EDT
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Russian back pedaling begins now...
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Posted: 7/17/2014 8:20:22 AM EDT
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The flight wasn't canceled, the landing was. If it was intentionally brought down, Shit Just Got Real. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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By a SAM... 
The flight wasn't canceled, the landing was. If it was intentionally brought down, Shit Just Got Real. thanks, I just choked on my hamburger. but don't worry, I'll be ok |
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Posted: 7/17/2014 8:20:30 AM EDT
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Do separatists have that Bkd of Sam ? Manpads maybe but I don't think they have those. They are known to have some mobile systems. At least one Buk system. |
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Posted: 7/17/2014 8:21:00 AM EDT
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And you are wrong! Airliners and civilian planes have mode C transponders not IFF transponders. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This should get interesting. I'm curious about SAMs and target ID. Could an SA-17 crew know S0 they're aiming at? Yes. At the very least they'd be able to know something was an airliner. Everybody has IFF. If the crew was trained and knew what they're doing of course. And you are wrong! Airliners and civilian planes have mode C transponders not IFF transponders. Mode C (and A) = Mode 3. And you have Mode S. |
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Posted: 7/17/2014 8:21:04 AM EDT
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Russian back pedaling begins now... Remember - Ukrainians that are pro-Russian still count as "Ukrainians shot down the plane" 
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Posted: 7/17/2014 8:21:06 AM EDT
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I read on separatists' news feed that TWO planes fell simultaneously. One of them was a Ukrainian military AN-26. The second one was the Malaysian passenger plane. So, it seem that they fired several rockets at the military plane and shot it down. But one of the rockets hit a passenger jet which was flying nearby. Fucking idiots had killed 300 innocent people. Sad...
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Posted: 7/17/2014 8:21:13 AM EDT
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some unconfirmed wreckage photos on twitter now
https://twitter.com/hashtag/mh17 |
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Posted: 7/17/2014 8:21:26 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/17/2014 8:21:37 AM EDT
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ho lee shit.
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Posted: 7/17/2014 8:21:56 AM EDT
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Good news, it's just been reported that President Obama has been briefed on the situation.
He's been assured it will not interfere with his scheduled golf games. |
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Posted: 7/17/2014 8:22:20 AM EDT
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Footage of locals with crash site in the background
Anybody get what they are saying ? http://www.telegraaf.nl/tv/nieuws/binnenland/22866662/__Beelden_neergestort_vliegtuig__.html |
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Posted: 7/17/2014 8:22:23 AM EDT
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max seddon ?@maxseddon 5m
Donetsk rebels are denying they have the Buk missile complexes Ukraine say downed #MH17, but boasted of them in June: |
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Posted: 7/17/2014 8:22:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Funny how this all happenes after FBHO bans Russian AKs  |
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Posted: 7/17/2014 8:22:37 AM EDT
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Have commercial air traffic been flying the same route since hostilities commenced?
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Posted: 7/17/2014 8:22:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: some unconfirmed wreckage photos on twitter now https://twitter.com/hashtag/mh17  |
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