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1/31/2005 2:20:10 AM EDT



I read an online novel recently in which one of the characters uses an MP5SD6, but hates it for its poor accuracy.  He contends that the noise suppression is useful, but the inaccuracy of the weapon nearly negates that factor.  In many other areas the author is very knowledgeable about weapons and such, so I am wondering if the SD6 is as inaccurate as he says.

I have a friend who recently inherited a ton of money, and I want to try to talk him into making one of these his first tax stamp purchase, for the investment value (and for me to shoot, of course).  So, any personal knowledge on this weapon would be great.

1/31/2005 2:25:08 AM EDT
[#1]
I've found SDs to be very accurate.  They just don't hit very hard.  It's one of the most fun guns to shoot, but is a pretty poor weapon.  Terminal ballistics are about that of a .380ACP.
1/31/2005 2:25:27 AM EDT
[#2]
I got the oppurtunity to shoot mojos MP5SD at ETH Farm. Its accurate. Fun too
1/31/2005 2:25:37 AM EDT
[#3]
But it is an effective close in weapon to kill the undead.

jd1
1/31/2005 2:27:20 AM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:
But it is an effective close in weapon to kill the undead.

jd1



And they dont call come running when you shoot.
1/31/2005 3:05:39 AM EDT
[#5]
I have shot one at work a fair amount. They are fun. Probably my favorite FA (non-belt fed). They are a real pain in the a** to clean, though. All of this crap gets gummed up in the area just before the chamber and bakes on. You also get lots of carbon and even some copper on the exterior of the barrel near the holes that bleed off the gas, but they are under the shroud that the handguard goes on, so they are almost impossible to clean, unless you take a screwdriver and grind a "scraper" out of it with a dremel tool.

Still lots of fun though. Wish they weren't 12K and up, and maybe I'd buy one.
1/31/2005 3:31:36 AM EDT
[#6]
Inaccurate? Nah..just as accurate as your normal MP5.

But, because so much gas is bled off making your normally supersonic round subsonic, it's not the most heavily-hitting carbine...
1/31/2005 3:34:12 AM EDT
[#7]
Probably the most accurate and lowest recoiling subgun made. It uses a gas bleedoff system so you can run any normal 9mm ammo and it will drop it to subsonic. The silencer is old technology by todays standards but I can tell you that a Pact shooting timer can't register the shots. A friend has one with a 3RB lower and when he is shooting steel w/ 3RB, all 3 rounds hit the plates, you have to have your stuff together (grip etc.) to do this with alot of other subguns due to the recoil. Not the hardest hitting at ~900 fps but the synergistic effect of multiple projo's striking the target make up for that.
1/31/2005 4:07:00 AM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:
Probably the most accurate and lowest recoiling subgun made. It uses a gas bleedoff system so you can run any normal 9mm ammo and it will drop it to subsonic. The silencer is old technology by todays standards but I can tell you that a Pact shooting timer can't register the shots. A friend has one with a 3RB lower and when he is shooting steel w/ 3RB, all 3 rounds hit the plates, you have to have your stuff together (grip etc.) to do this with alot of other subguns due to the recoil. Not the hardest hitting at ~900 fps but the synergistic effect of multiple projo's striking the target make up for that.



I assume you are talking about Burney, I've seen him shoot his SD6 at FDCC matches before, and was very impressed.  From a distance, it looks like a terrific weapon, I just have no personal experience with it, is why I am asking.

1/31/2005 4:10:58 AM EDT
[#9]
I've shot them.  I prefer the fixed stock for controllability.  They are very controllable as Mp5s are in general (the PDW is a big squirrely but still not bad at all).  But it is basically the world's most expensive .380acp, you can forget about body armor, better just go for a headshot.  

I've never shot one for groups so I don't know about pure accuracy from a rest.  All my shooting was at 50 yards or closer.
1/31/2005 5:29:59 AM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Probably the most accurate and lowest recoiling subgun made. It uses a gas bleedoff system so you can run any normal 9mm ammo and it will drop it to subsonic. The silencer is old technology by todays standards but I can tell you that a Pact shooting timer can't register the shots. A friend has one with a 3RB lower and when he is shooting steel w/ 3RB, all 3 rounds hit the plates, you have to have your stuff together (grip etc.) to do this with alot of other subguns due to the recoil. Not the hardest hitting at ~900 fps but the synergistic effect of multiple projo's striking the target make up for that.



I assume you are talking about Burney, I've seen him shoot his SD6 at FDCC matches before, and was very impressed.  From a distance, it looks like a terrific weapon, I just have no personal experience with it, is why I am asking.




Yep. Ask Burney to let you shoot it at the next match. If I have my UZI there, your welcome to compare the two. Or come to the Hernando MG shoot in Feb. Also, Burney will tell you what a PITA it is to clean. Still, I think a MP5SD is the pinnacle of subguns and it's on my wish list. Honestly, I'd probably settle for a semi-auto version SBR. Although not as elegant, the Swedish K is a smooth operating 9mm Subgun. UZI is ok, but you have a 3# bolt slinging around that affects controlability to an extent but it is an accurate weapon.
1/31/2005 5:36:40 AM EDT
[#11]
 I also prefer the fixed stock version....I've read the same "book" online and the guy doesn't have a clue as to what he's talking about when it comes to the MP5.  The SD's I have fired are about as accurate as you can get on a full auto/hushed subgun....I imagine only the Colt AR subguns can match up as far as accuracy is concerned.
1/31/2005 5:41:44 AM EDT
[#12]
the only problem with the SD is that it's intergal supressed which means the baffels wear out quickly if shot a lot. Just do the a quick attach can to a standard MP5. the MP5SD is a sweet looker but, the more you shoot the louder it will become over time.


J
1/31/2005 5:42:50 AM EDT
[#13]

How hard would it be to buy an HK94, SBR it, and get it suppressed so that it is a clone of the SD6?  It MUST be cheaper than the price of an actual SD6, but how much?  Is it even doable?

1/31/2005 5:44:21 AM EDT
[#14]
IME, the SD is as accurate as any MP-5. Very quiet, despite the fact that the integral can is old technology. No recoil to speak of; didn't have any problems hitting a popper 5-6 times on the way down. Just keep it to short bursts and it's quite controllable.

The ported barrel bleeds off a lot of velocity, which as previously described, allows just about any standard-vel 9mm ammo to be subsonic. It also reduces muzzle energy bigtime, and deposits a lot of fouling onto the bolt group.

At a Glock List gathering a couple summers ago, my buddy Todd's -SD got passed around like a cheap slut - basically we'd shoot it as fast as we could get mags loaded, with a lot of 30-round dumps. The -SD isn't meant for that kind of volume. We got the damn thing so hot, the paint on the receiver started to bubble, and every 2-300 rounds, the gun would have to be disassembled and thoroughly cleaned in order to keep it running. But Todd was a good sport about it, and a great time was had by all.


Me on the trigger with two cases in the air


My wife running the plate rack