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6/4/2008 6:22:15 AM EDT
Fixed link
www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJCb6lYdZG0

Nasty blow.  I can only hope I would see this coming as I watch my surroundings pretty closely.  Backing out of the way would probably be the best bet?
6/4/2008 6:23:12 AM EDT
[#1]
So far it's fail as the link links to nothing.
6/4/2008 6:24:15 AM EDT
[#2]

Quoted:
So far it's fail as the link links to nothing.


+1 link is dead
6/4/2008 6:27:35 AM EDT
[#3]
Link is fixed.
6/4/2008 6:29:08 AM EDT
[#4]
ooops
6/4/2008 6:31:59 AM EDT
[#5]
People should always be aware of their surroundings. That guys body language set off big red flags.
6/4/2008 6:36:58 AM EDT
[#6]
They way the guy keep on looking at him just looked suspicious.
6/4/2008 6:40:36 AM EDT
[#7]
Can't say what I think.......COC
6/4/2008 6:40:42 AM EDT
[#8]
That would be one of the reasons I practice so many holster draws with both firearms I carry.  That would definitely be a draw on the move.
6/4/2008 6:45:03 AM EDT
[#9]
wow.
6/4/2008 6:56:19 AM EDT
[#10]
Hard to believe no one did anything.  I would have tripped up the punk.
6/4/2008 7:03:43 AM EDT
[#11]
"Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet."

Holy shit.  
6/4/2008 7:06:35 AM EDT
[#12]
One of the comments

I am not a racist. I am not not a white or black . I am a pakistani and i have been living in usa for last 4 years. I use to work in black neighbourhood and all the talk about race, and all the time they tell you how white people racist. I find black people more racists, and they always make a mistake and look at you that you did something wrong. We all human being we all make mistakes but most of black people never admitt their mistake. They are so greedy and racists. For money they can kill yo


even others can see the true.............just takes time
6/4/2008 7:08:57 AM EDT
[#13]
McLovin!
6/4/2008 7:11:43 AM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:
Hard to believe no one did anything.  I would have tripped up the punk.



A good samaritan should've put lead into him.  That person should not exist in my country.
6/4/2008 7:14:45 AM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:
That would be one of the reasons I practice so many holster draws with both firearms I carry.  That would definitely be a draw on the move.


No way you can react that fast The thug had the angle on him.The old man had his back slightly turned "never saw it comming" .
My wife wonders why I look at people around me?

Poor man that shit really upsets me.
6/4/2008 7:16:28 AM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:

Quoted:
That would be one of the reasons I practice so many holster draws with both firearms I carry.  That would definitely be a draw on the move.


No way you can react that fast The thug had the angle on him.The old man had his back slightly turned "never saw it comming" .
My wife wonders why I look at people around me?


I'm saying if I saw him before the attack.  I am always watching the people around me.  I'd have backed away a little before the attack anyways with the guy looking at me like that.  

As soon as he shifted all his body weight to one side I'd have been moving.

Again.  Only if I saw it though.
6/4/2008 7:20:05 AM EDT
[#17]
And somehow the old man will be seen as the racist.
6/4/2008 7:21:45 AM EDT
[#18]
Hope he at least got some free fries.

No one in the mcD could stop that guy?
6/4/2008 7:21:47 AM EDT
[#19]
Situational awareness, get some.
6/4/2008 7:27:08 AM EDT
[#20]

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Hope he at least got some free fries.

No one in the mcD could stop that guy?


why should they?  if you were an employee and did anything, you'd be fired, probably sued by the thug, and the thug's homeboys would come after you.

it isn't worth the risk.
6/4/2008 7:27:38 AM EDT
[#21]

Quoted:
Situational awareness, get some.



+1

I don't think I would have taken my eye off that guy for one second.
6/4/2008 7:29:38 AM EDT
[#22]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Hope he at least got some free fries.

No one in the mcD could stop that guy?


why should they?  if you were an employee and did anything, you'd be fired, probably sued by the thug, and the thug's homeboys would come after you.

it isn't worth the risk.


A lot of national employers make their employees sign a 'No Chase / No Resistance' form at hiring to say they won't interfere in a robbery/shoplifting, nor follow the criminal out into the parking lot to get a description/tag number of the vehicle.

The United States in the 21st Century is a far cry from the United States in the 19th Century.
6/4/2008 7:31:34 AM EDT
[#23]
Just once I would like to see a video of something like that but the criminal not realizing the guy is some retired navy seal/mma expert or some crazy crap and the guy just looks at him after he hits and and then tears him apart.   JUST ONCE lol
6/4/2008 7:36:18 AM EDT
[#24]
this country went to hell when you couldn't gut-shoot people for stuff like that anymore.
6/4/2008 7:38:08 AM EDT
[#25]
How do you react to a situation like if you were carrying.
6/4/2008 7:45:48 AM EDT
[#26]

Quoted:
Just once I would like to see a video of something like that but the criminal not realizing the guy is some retired navy seal/mma expert or some crazy crap and the guy just looks at him after he hits and and then tears him apart.   JUST ONCE lol


Hello sir. I am a genie. I shall grant you this one wish...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7yhDVmZ6fg
6/4/2008 7:48:33 AM EDT
[#27]

Quoted:
How do you react to a situation like if you were carrying.


Assuming I could have seen it coming I'd begin drawing, stepped/stumbled/jumped back, and fired.  I'd have been moving diagonally to cover more ground as well.
6/4/2008 7:49:31 AM EDT
[#28]

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How do you react to a situation like if you were carrying.


If you lack situational awareness, the same thing happens as in the video except the thug also steals your CCW. And maybe shoots you with it.
6/4/2008 7:52:10 AM EDT
[#29]

Quoted:

Quoted:
How do you react to a situation like if you were carrying.


If you lack situational awareness, the same thing happens as in the video except the thug also steals your CCW. And maybe shoots you with it.


+1
Don't let your guard down.  Make eye contact with those around you.
6/4/2008 7:55:00 AM EDT
[#30]

Quoted:
Just once I would like to see a video of something like that but the criminal not realizing the guy is some retired navy seal/mma expert or some crazy crap and the guy just looks at him after he hits and and then tears him apart.   JUST ONCE lol



Here you go bro.  72yo retired marine, and golden gloves champion is not a really that good
of a mark for a pickpocket.

www.truveo.com/Raw-Video-Elderly-ExMarine-Beats-Crook-Into/id/3341833202
6/4/2008 7:55:17 AM EDT
[#31]
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6/4/2008 7:56:06 AM EDT
[#32]

Quoted:
How do you react to a situation like if you were carrying.



You wouldn't have time to pull your weapon. 21 foot rule, you can't pull a firearm fast enough if someone is charging you within 21 feet- unless you are open carry. Learn to use your fists as well as a firearm.


RR
6/4/2008 7:56:06 AM EDT
[#33]

Quoted:
How do you react to a situation like if you were carrying.



You wouldn't have time to pull your weapon. 21 foot rule, you can't pull a firearm fast enough if someone is charging you within 21 feet- unless you are open carry. Learn to use your fists as well as a firearm.


RR
6/4/2008 7:56:25 AM EDT
[#34]
height=8
Quoted:

A lot of national employers make their employees sign a 'No Chase / No Resistance' form at hiring to say they won't interfere in a robbery/shoplifting, nor follow the criminal out into the parking lot to get a description/tag number of the vehicle. his?
www.koco.com/news/13441545/detail.html

And people wonder why criminals are getting bolder...
6/4/2008 7:57:25 AM EDT
[#35]

Quoted:

Quoted:
How do you react to a situation like if you were carrying.


Assuming I could have seen it coming I'd begin drawing, stepped/stumbled/jumped back, and fired.  I'd have been moving diagonally to cover more ground as well.


Fired...?    Surely you're kidding...  Beat him senseless yes, but I don't think that situation would allow lethal force unless he produced a weapon or had several others with him.
6/4/2008 8:01:36 AM EDT
[#36]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
How do you react to a situation like if you were carrying.


Assuming I could have seen it coming I'd begin drawing, stepped/stumbled/jumped back, and fired.  I'd have been moving diagonally to cover more ground as well.


Fired...?    Surely you're kidding...  Beat him senseless yes, but I don't think that situation would allow lethal force unless he produced a weapon or had several others with him.


You would'nt shoot a violent felon?  What kind of criteria do you have for defending yourself?
6/4/2008 8:04:15 AM EDT
[#37]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
How do you react to a situation like if you were carrying.


Assuming I could have seen it coming I'd begin drawing, stepped/stumbled/jumped back, and fired.  I'd have been moving diagonally to cover more ground as well.


Fired...?    Surely you're kidding...  Beat him senseless yes, but I don't think that situation would allow lethal force unless he produced a weapon or had several others with him.


You would'nt shoot a violent felon?  What kind of criteria do you have for defending yourself?


In fear of great bodily harm.  I have no right to retreat.  
6/4/2008 8:04:26 AM EDT
[#38]

Quoted:

Quoted:
How do you react to a situation like if you were carrying.



You wouldn't have time to pull your weapon. 21 foot rule, you can't pull a firearm fast enough if someone is charging you within 21 feet- unless you are open carry. Learn to use your fists as well as a firearm.


RR


Open carry might change the situation all together,but inside 21 ft even open carry wont do much for you, studies have shown that even at low ready inside 21 ft will get ya killed.
6/4/2008 8:05:45 AM EDT
[#39]

Quoted:

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A lot of national employers make their employees sign a 'No Chase / No Resistance' form at hiring to say they won't interfere in a robbery/shoplifting, nor follow the criminal out into the parking lot to get a description/tag number of the vehicle.


Sort of like this?

www.koco.com/news/13441545/detail.html

And people wonder why criminals are getting bolder...


and this... www.news4jax.com/news/13545696/detail.html
6/4/2008 8:06:23 AM EDT
[#40]
Obviously you block with your other hand.  Doing Kenpo has helped out some
6/4/2008 8:11:22 AM EDT
[#41]

Quoted:
One of the comments

I am not a racist. I am not not a white or black . I am a pakistani and i have been living in usa for last 4 years. I use to work in black neighbourhood and all the talk about race, and all the time they tell you how white people racist. I find black people more racists, and they always make a mistake and look at you that you did something wrong. We all human being we all make mistakes but most of black people never admitt their mistake. They are so greedy and racists. For money they can kill yo


even others can see the true.............just takes time


very true, but if you go to see the guys page, people have left hate comments on there.what cant i say.. guess the truth hurts.

6/4/2008 8:16:17 AM EDT
[#42]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
How do you react to a situation like if you were carrying.


Assuming I could have seen it coming I'd begin drawing, stepped/stumbled/jumped back, and fired.  I'd have been moving diagonally to cover more ground as well.


Fired...?    Surely you're kidding...  Beat him senseless yes, but I don't think that situation would allow lethal force unless he produced a weapon or had several others with him.


You don't think a blow to the head like that can kill someone?
6/4/2008 8:22:57 AM EDT
[#43]

Quoted:

Quoted:

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How do you react to a situation like if you were carrying.


Assuming I could have seen it coming I'd begin drawing, stepped/stumbled/jumped back, and fired.  I'd have been moving diagonally to cover more ground as well.


Fired...?    Surely you're kidding...  Beat him senseless yes, but I don't think that situation would allow lethal force unless he produced a weapon or had several others with him.


If you don't fire, then he will have a weapon- yours.

When you're carrying a gun you can't afford to let someone get that close to you and get you on the ground. If they do, you're dead.
6/4/2008 8:39:20 AM EDT
[#44]
Thank you soo much for pissing me off for the rest of the day..............
That was Fucking Bullshit........ I say start rounding up gang members throughout
the Country and eliminate them once and for all. Why haven't people started
taking matters into their own hands in beyond me.  Round up these scumbags
no matter what age or color they are, and put them out of their misery like the
Nazis did with Jews during WWII ( Granted that was a horrible thing, and it should
never happen again, but I think in this case it would be justified)  Am I wrong for thinking like this?
6/4/2008 9:45:59 AM EDT
[#45]

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Just once I would like to see a video of something like that but the criminal not realizing the guy is some retired navy seal/mma expert or some crazy crap and the guy just looks at him after he hits and and then tears him apart.   JUST ONCE lol



Here you go bro.  72yo retired marine, and golden gloves champion is not a really that good
of a mark for a pickpocket.

www.truveo.com/Raw-Video-Elderly-ExMarine-Beats-Crook-Into/id/3341833202


A good example to follow.

Nuts, then head, then kidneykidneykidney...
6/4/2008 9:50:14 AM EDT
[#46]
yet another reason to avoid mcdonalds.....

if everyone of them closed tomorrow, I'd be lovin it.
6/4/2008 10:15:33 AM EDT
[#47]
That guy is still out there.  As are others just like him.
"Let's be careful out there."
6/4/2008 11:56:17 AM EDT
[#48]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:

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How do you react to a situation like if you were carrying.


Assuming I could have seen it coming I'd begin drawing, stepped/stumbled/jumped back, and fired.  I'd have been moving diagonally to cover more ground as well.


Fired...?    Surely you're kidding...  Beat him senseless yes, but I don't think that situation would allow lethal force unless he produced a weapon or had several others with him.


If you don't fire, then he will have a weapon- yours.

When you're carrying a gun you can't afford to let someone get that close to you and get you on the ground. If they do, you're dead.


OK, OK...I shouldn't have questioned anyone...

I am simply basing my response on the assumption that "I could have seen it coming...".  I could be wrong (have been before) but in most states I believe you are only allowed to escalate force as it is presented to you...therefore until I feel that my life is endanger by him either continuing the fight (not a single punch) or him making a suggestion that he is going to kill or disarm me, I don't believe I would be able to make a case in court for self-defense.
6/4/2008 12:59:36 PM EDT
[#49]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
How do you react to a situation like if you were carrying.


Assuming I could have seen it coming I'd begin drawing, stepped/stumbled/jumped back, and fired.  I'd have been moving diagonally to cover more ground as well.


Fired...?    Surely you're kidding...  Beat him senseless yes, but I don't think that situation would allow lethal force unless he produced a weapon or had several others with him.


You don't think a blow to the head like that can kill someone?


Absolutely it can...  I've seen people die from less. If I'd been there, I'd have dropped "tha homey"...
6/4/2008 1:01:58 PM EDT
[#50]

Quoted:

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Situational awareness, get some.



+1

I don't think I would have taken my eye off that guy for one second.


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