Posted: 6/18/2004 2:07:03 PM EDT
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Ok i'm not trying to troll, I really don't know: Why the hostility towards Mccain? I've always respected him for his service to this country both in the military and in congress. |
He's not from my state either, but that didn't stop him from coming into Colorado and campaigning actively for Amendment 22, which required background checks on all firearm transfers that happen at a gun show, or if any part of the transaction took place on the grounds of a gun show (effectively killing private party sales, as private parties usually then have to pay a fee for the background checks). Pretty much dried up the gun shows, except for the overpriced dealers. The damn thing passed after he stuck his nose into Colorado's politics.  ETA: Also, the McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform crap - this essentially quashes the NRA's voice for the month before elections, while allowing the liberal press to spout their hatred of Republicans as much as they want. |
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Because he's an egomaniac, and he supports incredibly stupid, populist pieces of legislation like the unconstitutional McCain/Feingold campaign finance reform bill. Also, the media loves him for some unfathomable reason and give him way more coverage than he warrants. |
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I just checked some stuff with google and he 1) voted against the AWB and the Brady Bill 2) Is for concealed carry 3) Wants to penalize criminals who use weapons to commit crimes 4) Wants to repeal gun laws that stop law-abiding citizens from buying firearms I checked some other stuff he's also 1) pro life 2) supports a balanced budget amendment 3) doesn't like govt money going to support the arts 4) favors the 10 commandments in the school All in all he seems like a model Republican to me. Some of his stances I don't agree with, but I don't see how you can call him a democrat. *confused* Does someone have links to where he supported gun control? The only thing I can find is the following 1) ban cheap saturday night specials 2) background check at gun shows 3) mandatory safety locks He also made a statement that he would support the awb "depending on details". Apparently he did not like the details in 94, since he voted against the AWB. |
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McCain is sponsoring an ENVIRONMENTAL bill. Co-sponsoring with some dem, I forget whom. There was a radio ad today about it. He not only supports gun control, he AUTHORS GUN CONTROL BILLS / AMMENDMENTS. He penned the McCain-Feingold "Incumbent Protection Act" which makes me loathe him in the worst way, just as bad as if he sponsored a bill to round up all the guns. In short, he is an ass and I wish he would just hurry up and change his designation to "Dem". Only reason he doesn't is because AZ wouldn't re-elect him. |
no thats what you hear when that is said. I support background checks for anyone who wants to purchase a firearm. I wouldn't sell a gun to anyone I didn't know personally. If I were going to do so I'd be damn sure he wasn't an ex-con before I sold it to him. Some people aren't so discriminating, which I why we need laws. Unless there was a rider to the Gun Show bill, I don't see how you think that would prevent private sales or the gifting a weapon to someone. |
1) so being an environmentalist makes him a Dem? 2) He voted against the Brady Bill and the AWB, the 2 biggest gun control legislations in my lifetime. Perhaps it might be some of the people on this forum are the extreme end of the Republican party and Mccain is more moderate? Nah, couldn't be ... 
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I think you nailed that one 100% correct. |
He supports gun control, attacks freedom of speech (campaign finance reform), and is pushing to destroy our economy (Kyoto-like restrictions based upon the theory that emissions cause global warming).
He did a fine job as a POW. He was offered special treatment (because his father was a Navy VIP, IIRC), and turned it down. Prior to being a POW, he spent a very short time in a jet in combat before being shot down. |
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Read the text of the McCain-Liberman Bill here and then try to tell me that it wouldn't be the end of gunshows. Thomas Law Select 107th Congress and Enter S.890 for S.890 the Gun Show Loophole Closing and Gun Law Enforcement Act of 2001 (Introduced in Senate) Then read this and come back and try to tell me again how it wouldn't be the end of gun shows. THE GUN SHOW BILL CAN'T REALLY BE THAT BAD, CAN IT? The funny thing is that the VPC opposed McCain-Leiberman because it specified a 24hr time limit for some gunshow background checks, it wasn't enough for the gun grabbers that all sales would be checked they wanted the three days to do them.
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It makes him an idiot. Or an attention whore. The bill he supports will do essentially nothing to slow global warming even if the theory that emissions are responsible for global warming is correct. Kyoto, which was stricter, would have had an insignificant impact on global warming while having a huge negative impact on the economy. |
It would be (yet another) violation of the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution for the federal government to regulate private transfers of firearms. Apparently, you are so moderate you are a fascist asshole. |
I am not a republican. |
I'm not overly enamored of McCain and consider him a moderate. If RINO applies to McCain, it could easily apply to the President. Since -He signed campaign finance reform rather than vetoing it. -Has said that he would sign the AWB renewal. -Enacted ill-advised steel tarriffs that he later had to repeal. -Has dramatically increased non-military domestic discretionary spending (8.5% per year is the figure that I have heard) Granted saying that he would sign the AWB if renewed is much better than actually campaigning for its renewal and I like the tax cuts, but 8.5% growth in non-military domestic spending is not sustainable. I will probably end up voting for the President, but would very much appreciate a better choice. He seems like a decent guy, but I find it incredible that he is the best that the Republicans have to offer. |
Bwahahahahahahahaha!  Welcome to the board! |
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MCcain voted the antigunline on these items" Kohl amendment 02/26/2004 Senate Roll Call No. 17 108th Congress, 2nd Session This amendment, offered by Senator Herb Kohl (D-WI) on February 26, 2004, passed the Senate 70-27. This amendment would require all handgun purchasers to pay an implicit "gun tax" by requiring them to buy a trigger lock when they purchase their handgun, irrespective of need. In addition, the amendment would create a broad and implicit cause of action against gun owners who fail to actually use the storage device to lock up their firearms. Of course, a locked gun then becomes unavailable for self-defense. The Kohl amendment passed as an amendment to S. 1805. anti-gun juvenile crime bill 07/28/1999 Senate Roll Call No. 224 106th Congress, 1st Session On July 28, the Senate ended a filibuster led by Senator Bob Smith (I-NH) -- a filibuster intended to keep anti-gun crime legislation from progressing any further. After the 77-22 vote, the Senate moved to send the language of the anti-gun Senate crime bill (S. 254) to a House-Senate conference committee. Anti-gun juvenile crime bill 05/20/1999 Senate Roll Call No. 140 106th Congress, 1st Session The Senate passed the gun control laden juvenile crime bill by a 73-25 vote on May 20, 1999. Besides the several provisions related to punishing juveniles who commit crimes, S. 254 contained several gun control amendments (see vote numbers 115, 116, 118, 122, 133 and 134 for details on these anti-gun provisions). [NOTE: On vote #118, all language pertaining to background registration checks at gun shows was superceded by the Lautenberg amendment in vote number 134.] Background registration checks Smith (of Oregon) amendment 05/20/1999 Senate Roll Call No. 133 106th Congress, 1st Session Passed: 79-21 (see complete tally) On May 20, 1999, Republican Senators Gordon Smith (OR) and James Jeffords (VT) offered up more restrictions on the sale of firearms. Their amendment subjects pawn shop and repair shop transactions to the same registration and background check requirements as purchases from dealers. A vote against the amendment, which passed 79-21, is rated as a "+". Hatch-Kohl Kohl/Hatch/Chafee amendment 05/18/1999 Senate Roll Call No. 122 106th Congress, 1st Session Agreed to: 78-20 (see complete tally) On May 18, 1999, the Senate passed an amendment introduced by Senators Orrin Hatch (R) and Herb Kohl (D). This amendment forces gun sellers to include trigger locks with every handgun sold. A vote against the amendment is rated as a "+". Internet firearms sales Schumer Amendment 05/14/1999 Senate Roll Call No. 119 106th Congress, 1st Session Agreed to: 50-43 (see complete tally) On May 14, 1999, the Senate tabled (or defeated) an amendment introduced by Sen. Charles Schumer (D-NY) that would regulate the transfer of firearms over the Internet. The Senate voted to kill the amendment 50-43. A vote to table the amendment is rated a "+". Hatch-Craig Gun Control Passage of the Hatch amendment 05/14/1999 Senate Roll Call No. 118 106th Congress, 1st Session Passed: 48-47 (see complete tally) On May 14, 1999, the Senate passed the Hatch-Craig gun control amendment by a 48-47 vote. [NOTE: Many anti-gun Senators voted against this amendment because they favored more stringent gun controls which would later be offered by Sen. Lautenberg.] The Hatch-Craig amendment would impose several 2nd Amendment restrictions. It would ban ANY private sale at a gun show that does not first go through a background registration check. In addition, the Hatch-Craig amendment would assign one U.S. attorney in every district exclusively to harass gun owners. And of the $50,000,000 allocated towards this purpose, a full $40 million of it will go to increasing the presence of the BATF-- not to investigate murders, violent felonies, or crimes of violence, but to pursue "firearms" offenses (most of which will be recordkeeping and other innocuous errors by law-abiding Americans). The Hatch-Craig provision would also impose a lifetime gun ban for juveniles committing youthful indiscretions at a very young age; extend the arcane and confusing juvenile handgun ban to semi-autos; and increase penalties for violating the almost incomprehensible regulations governing the circumstances under which one may legally take one'ssss child hunting or target shooting with a handgun or semi-auto. A vote against the Hatch-Craig amendment is rated as a "+". Defeating Hatch-Craig Gun Control Hatch amendment 05/13/1999 Senate Roll Call No. 117 106th Congress, 1st Session Failed: 3-94 (see complete tally) On May 13, 1999, a majority of Senators defeated a motion to table (or kill) an anti-gun amendment introduced by Senators Orrin Hatch (R-UT) and Larry Craig (R-UT). This amendment was offered as an alternative to gun control proposals being pushed by Sen. Frank Lautenberg. [For specifics of the amendment, see vote # 118.] The amendment survived 94-3. A vote to table (or kill) the amendment is rated as a "+". Young adult gun ban Ashcroft amendment 05/13/1999 Senate Roll Call No. 115 106th Congress, 1st Session Agreed to: 96-2 (see complete tally) This ban could severely punish parents who allow their kids to even touch a so-called semi-automatic "assault weapon." While the amendment allows for certain exemptions, there are some imponderable questions which NO senator could answer, but which a parent would have to answer in order to avoid incarceration. For example: What is a "semiautomatic assault weapon"? The definition, plus exemptions, takes up six pages of fine print in the U.S. Code. Second, a child can handle a banned semi-auto if he is in the "immediate and supervisory presence" of a parent or if he possess a written permission slip from the parent. But what happens when, during a target practice session, the parent walks to the car to retrieve his lunch and the juvenile is no longer in the parent'sss "immediate" presence and does not have a permission slip? A parent can receive jail time for this infraction. The Senate passed this amendment, which was introduced by Senator John Ashcroft (R-MO), by a 96-2 vote on May 13, 1999. A vote against this provision is rated as a "+". Anti-gun Clinton judge Morrow nomination 02/11/1998 Senate Roll Call No. 11 105th Congress, 2nd Session Confirmed: 67-28 (see complete tally) On February 11, 1998, the Senate voted 67-28 to confirm Margaret Morrow to the Federal bench. GOA vigorously opposed this Clinton-appointed judge, as she has not only taken strident anti-gun positions, she has showed herself to be a gun control activist. A vote against confirming the Morrow nomination is rated as a "+". Anti-gun Surgeon General Cloture vote -- filibuster of Satcher nomination 02/10/1998 Senate Roll Call No. 8 105th Congress, 2nd Session Agreed to: 75-23 (see complete tally) Having nominated anti-gun David Satcher for Surgeon General, President Bill Clinton was forced to wait several months as debate raged over his controversial pick. But on February 10, 1998, the President finally realized victory. By a vote of 75-23, anti-gun Republicans teamed up with the Democrats to kill the filibuster over the Satcher nomination. Mr. Satcher was later confirmed by a vote of 63-35. Since the key vote was to end the filibuster, GOA has rated a vote to continue the filibuster (thus stopping the Satcher nomination) as a "+". John McCain on Gun Control Ban cheap guns; require safety locks; for gun show checks McCain favors outlawing cheaply made handguns called Saturday night specials, and favors mandating safety locks on certain guns. He said he is intrigued by new technology that electronically identifies a person handling a gun, allowing only the owner to fire it. McCain rallied Senate Republicans behind a Democratic measure requiring background checks at gun shows. Source: Scott Lindlaw, Associated Press Aug 17, 1999 Supports ban on certain assault weapons McCain said he was open to voting for an assault weapon ban, depending on the details. Source: Los Angeles Times, “McCain Calls for Hearings” Aug 17, 1999 Voted against Brady Bill & assault weapon ban That was 1994 his words and actions since then seem to be differentMcCain spoke generally of the need for some tighter gun controls on hardened criminals and children. In Congress, he pressured his colleagues to require background checks for buyers at guns shows, and he supported a requirement that trigger locks be sold with handguns. But the Senator opposed the two major gun-control measures of recent years, the 1994 ban on several types of assault weapons and the Brady Bill, which required a 5-day waiting period for handgun purchases. Source: Todd S. Purdum, New York Times, p. A14 Aug 17, 1999 Guns are a problem, but so are violent web sites & videos If you want to take every gun in and dump it in the ocean, I’ll still take you to a Web site where it teaches children how to build a pipe bomb. And I’ll take you to a Web site where the worst kind of hate language that is terribly offensive to all of us exists. I can take you to a video game being sold to our children where the object of the game is to kill police. I understand the importance of weapons, but to define that as being the major cause [of youth violence], there’s a whole lot of causes. Source: Todd S. Purdum, New York Times, p. A14 Aug 17, 1999 Punish criminals who abuse 2nd Amendment rights We need to focus on halting the spread of violent crime and punishing violent criminals who abuse their Second Amendment rights, while preserving those same rights for law-abiding Americans. Source: www.mccain2000.com/ “Press Releases” May 10, 1999 Youth Violence Prevention Act restricts guns for kids McCain has introduced the “Youth Violence Prevention Act.” The legislation would: prevent juveniles from illegal access to weapons and punish those who would assist them in doing so prohibit juveniles who commit acts of gun violence from purchasing guns in the future sentence juveniles convicted of violent crimes under adult guidelines and punish juveniles who illegally carry or use handguns in schools. Source: www.mccain2000.com/ “Press Releases” May 10, 1999 Repeal existing gun restrictions; penalize criminal use McCain supports the following principles regarding gun issues: Repeal federal restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms by law-abiding citizens. Favor allowing citizens to carry concealed firearms. McCain says, “There are penalties for criminals who use firearms.” Source: Project Vote Smart, 1998, www.vote-smart.org Jul 2, 1998 Voted YES on requiring licensing & background checks at gun shows. Vote to table or kill a motion to require that all gun sales at gun shows be completed by federally licensed gun dealers. The amendment also requires background checks to be completed on buyers and requires gun show promoters to register with the Treasur McCain is not a friend to the progun person. Sometimes he votes with us, often he slaps us right in the face. |