Posted: 7/27/2017 3:28:56 PM EDT
Not casting aspersions, or criticizing, just making an uninformed observation (which is often confused with fact in GD  .), but is it possible that so many Millennials have the attitudes they have because they are the first American generation in which both parents worked in large numbers?
You have to admit, that is probably the greatest change in our society ever. More women are in the workplace today (percentage wise) than were forced to work because of the Great Depression or WWII. In China, they have the Little Emperor Syndrome. Perhaps here it was the showering of praise or material things to make up for lost time or as the result of guilt for not being there? They are not referred to as "Generation Me" for nothing. Please don't take this as criticism. I'm a late Baby Boomer myself. I was five during the Summer of Love. None of my friends were protesting the Vietnam War or smoking weed. We were playing with Matchbox toy cars. Yet, we get lumped in with...  (And the were a small percentage of the early Baby Boom generation, yet everyone assumes early Boomers were getting stoned and signing up to join the SLA, as I just did.  )
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I'm sure boomers/Gen X were made fun of growing up by people who lived through the Great Depression.
"These kids are so entitled these days, I remember when I was a kid I lived off the street!" or other generalization. The more things change the more they stay the same. |
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Strange question because I thought generation 'me' gave us the housing crisis and the great recession. Millennials are just trying to get their shit back. Quoted:
Strange question because I thought generation 'me' gave us the housing crisis and the great recession. Millennials are just trying to get their shit back. The University of Michigan's "Monitoring the Future" study of high school seniors (conducted continually since 1975) and the American Freshman survey, conducted by UCLA's Higher Education Research Institute of new college students since 1966, showed an increase in the proportion of students who consider wealth a very important attribute, from 45% for Baby Boomers (surveyed between 1967 and 1985) to 70% for Gen Xers, and 75% for Millennials. The percentage who said it was important to keep abreast of political affairs fell, from 50% for Baby Boomers to 39% for Gen Xers, and 35% for Millennials. The notion of "developing a meaningful philosophy of life" decreased the most across generations, from 73% for Boomers to 45% for Millennials. The willingness to be involved in an environmental cleanup program dropped from 33% for Baby Boomers to 21% for Millennials.[67] |
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I'm sure boomers/Gen X were made fun of growing up by people who lived through the Great Depression. "These kids are so entitled these days, I remember when I was a kid I lived off the street!" or other generalization. The more things change the more they stay the same. |
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oh! another Millennial thread http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/645/713/888.jpg I don't seek to single out Millennials. This could be the new norm for future generations. |
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So, a serious discussion on this matter is out of the question? Changes in family dynamics can and often do have affects upon society, but measuring those effects is very difficult. Does having both parents work affect children? Probably, but what that effect is will be hard to actually gauge, unless you do some rigorous qualitative and quantitative work. |
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The problem with these discussions is that people make broad claims with simplistic and problematic justifications for those claims. Millennial threads usually degenerate into a bitchfest pretty fast. Changes in family dynamics can and often do have affects upon society, but measuring those effects is very difficult. Does having both parents work affect children? Probably, but what that effect is will be hard to actually gauge, unless you do some rigorous qualitative and quantitative work. Quoted:
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So, a serious discussion on this matter is out of the question? Changes in family dynamics can and often do have affects upon society, but measuring those effects is very difficult. Does having both parents work affect children? Probably, but what that effect is will be hard to actually gauge, unless you do some rigorous qualitative and quantitative work. IMO, it seems that more and more parents expect the schools to provide their children with a moral compass, where previously this was always the purview of parents. And we know how teachers generally lean politically. |
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1982 birthday checking in. not sure if im a millenial or the generation before? Some say anyone born after 1981 is a Millennial. Others say 1984. Who knows? I suppose one's beliefs and personality traits provide the final answer. |
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No, no, no, Millennial threads are Monday. Thursdays are Harley hate threads. Edit - and when they do buy a Harley they are easy to identify. Attached File |
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Rigorous work is being done. But like most long-term studies, definitive results take a while. IMO, it seems that more and more parents expect the schools to provide their children with a moral compass, where previously this was always the purview of parents. And we know how teachers generally lean politically. Quoted:
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So, a serious discussion on this matter is out of the question? Changes in family dynamics can and often do have affects upon society, but measuring those effects is very difficult. Does having both parents work affect children? Probably, but what that effect is will be hard to actually gauge, unless you do some rigorous qualitative and quantitative work. IMO, it seems that more and more parents expect the schools to provide their children with a moral compass, where previously this was always the purview of parents. And we know how teachers generally lean politically. I am usually highly skeptical of any study that makes bold claims about one generation versus another, since there is an incentive to make bold claims and produce shitty research. As to your claim about parents expecting schools to provide a moral compass, how to you measure such a phenomenon and what justification do you have for such a claim? |
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Millennials are not buying Harley junk thereby putting an American institution at risk. There. Slammed Harleys and Millennials. And some how this is the Brits fault. Edit - and when they do buy a Harley they are easy to identify. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/312702/z57Pk2j-264371.JPG Quoted:
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No, no, no, Millennial threads are Monday. Thursdays are Harley hate threads. Edit - and when they do buy a Harley they are easy to identify. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/312702/z57Pk2j-264371.JPG |
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I am sure that some are attempting to, but there are some major analytical problems with some of their approaches or how those studies are interpreted. I am usually highly skeptical of any study that makes bold claims about one generation versus another, since there is an incentive to make bold claims and produce shitty research. As to your claim about parents expecting schools to provide a moral compass, how to you measure such a phenomenon and what justification do you have for such a claim? Quoted:
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So, a serious discussion on this matter is out of the question? Changes in family dynamics can and often do have affects upon society, but measuring those effects is very difficult. Does having both parents work affect children? Probably, but what that effect is will be hard to actually gauge, unless you do some rigorous qualitative and quantitative work. IMO, it seems that more and more parents expect the schools to provide their children with a moral compass, where previously this was always the purview of parents. And we know how teachers generally lean politically. I am usually highly skeptical of any study that makes bold claims about one generation versus another, since there is an incentive to make bold claims and produce shitty research. As to your claim about parents expecting schools to provide a moral compass, how to you measure such a phenomenon and what justification do you have for such a claim? I will say in my own state, the schools are definitely practicing social engineering. Talk to any teen and it's quite obvious. |
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As to your claim about parents expecting schools to provide a moral compass, how to you measure such a phenomenon and what justification do you have for such a claim? It will get sorted out one way or another. |
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Not casting aspersions, or criticizing, just making an uninformed observation (which is often confused with fact in GD .), but is it possible that so many Millennials have the attitudes they have because they are the first American generation in which both parents worked in large numbers?I think the first generation who's parents both worked in large numbers was Gen X. We were known as the latchkey kids. Nearly all of us let ourselves into our locked home after school and had nobody to look after us like the generation before us. We did pretty much whatever we wanted, until our parents got home. We watched re-runs on tv of The Brady Bunch and Leave It to Beaver where there was a Mom at home after school with milk and cookies and laughed at the absurdity of it all. Every generation finds their way despite the criticisms leveled against it. The Millenials will be no different. I know growing up there were a lot of older depression era folks and some Boomers in their 30's, at the time, that thought my friends and I would never amount to anything. They were wrong. Most of us turned out to be pretty amazing and successful people doing amazing things. |
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And honestly Millennials are a result of many parents being worthless and not showing and enforcing standards.
Helicopter parents and parent trying to be little Johnny's/Janes friend hurt them more than it helped them. Some Millennials are shitheads because mom and Dad didn't take a belt to their ass and failed to enforce disipline. Don't worry at times I was guilty too, being gone all the time and when I was home, I wanted for everything to be nice when I should have been putting my boot in my kids ass every waking moment while I was home. I figured out my shortcomings and enforced tyrannical level discipline later in my children's life. All but one are doing great, one still needs some work and he is currently in corrective/retraining/gulag. Well honestly he is my 40 acres maintenance slave, he love's not being homeless and has accepted his current situation. Six more months of hard labor and I will allow him another chance at life/the real world. |
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More things to whine about. Racist against my race, racist against my gender, racist against my sexual preference, racist against my age, racist against my generation
Can't wait for what comes next 
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Millennials are just a product of our environment. Both our parents worked which gave way to peer-parenting, single-child homes and extreme narcissism and tribalism, our boomer teachers indoctrinated us with socialist propaganda, we were told that prestigious college and "doing what you loved" are the only paths forward into adulthood, we were encouraged to "tattle" instead of learn conflict resolution (if you ignored those they were enforced by zero tolerance policies anyway), and were thrust into a hostile job market (run by the very same boomers) who refuse to hire millennials anyway after jumping through all the necessary hoops, all while navigating the most fucked up economy this country has ever seen -- again, thanks to boomers voting habits.
So you have an entire population of kids growing into adults that are starting to figure things out. It will take some time to see how this generation pans out. Combined with the social pressures of the Internet that weren't present prior, the instant access to information, and the lack of proper parenting principles growing up, once "we" are all grown up (from those born in the 80's to those born in 2000) it will be a very strange looking generation. Thankfully the young X'ers are around to not be giant douchebags.
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Please watch the whole thing.
 Millennials Don't Exist! Adam Conover at Deep Shift |
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I'm sure boomers/Gen X were made fun of growing up by people who lived through the Great Depression. "These kids are so entitled these days, I remember when I was a kid I lived off the street!" or other generalization. The more things change the more they stay the same.  So, here's his childhood era:
Edited: Hey Millennials! Do you think these kids blamed their parents for the depression? NO! Don't you think that most of them thought they'd have to serve in the fight against the Axis and probably die? Do you think they blamed Tojo or Hitler, or their parents? Some of them will go on to fight and die in the cold hills of Korea. Do you really believe they blamed their parents? NO! So, why don't you take responsibility for your own life & future like every generation before you instead of looking to place blame? And if you think these kids above did a bad job of raising the Baby Boomers, then show us all how you can do it better. |
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All I can offer is anecdotal evidence -- trends I see in things I read, people I talk to, etc. This is why I prefixed my statement with "In my opinion" and did not try to come off as offering a statement of fact. I will say in my own state, the schools are definitely practicing social engineering. Talk to any teen and it's quite obvious. Quoted:
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So, a serious discussion on this matter is out of the question? Changes in family dynamics can and often do have affects upon society, but measuring those effects is very difficult. Does having both parents work affect children? Probably, but what that effect is will be hard to actually gauge, unless you do some rigorous qualitative and quantitative work. IMO, it seems that more and more parents expect the schools to provide their children with a moral compass, where previously this was always the purview of parents. And we know how teachers generally lean politically. I am usually highly skeptical of any study that makes bold claims about one generation versus another, since there is an incentive to make bold claims and produce shitty research. As to your claim about parents expecting schools to provide a moral compass, how to you measure such a phenomenon and what justification do you have for such a claim? I will say in my own state, the schools are definitely practicing social engineering. Talk to any teen and it's quite obvious. 
Anecdotal evidence is only good to illustrate a larger substantiated point. By itself it does not prove anything. |
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If you look at the rise in technology and efficiency of information/technology since 2000, everything has become efficient and fast.
Consider the time it took to go the library to research a subject then write a report. Now consider the time it takes to do a google search. Their lives have all this instant-ness to it. Problem, there's still a lot of things in the adult world that haven't exactly "caught up". |
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That was worth the watch.
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Not casting aspersions, or criticizing, just making an uninformed observation (which is often confused with fact in GD .), but is it possible that so many Millennials have the attitudes they have because they are the first American generation in which both parents worked in large numbers?
You have to admit, that is probably the greatest change in our society ever. More women are in the workplace today (percentage wise) than were forced to work because of the Great Depression or WWII. In China, they have the Little Emperor Syndrome. Perhaps here it was the showering of praise or material things to make up for lost time or as the result of guilt for not being there? They are not referred to as "Generation Me" for nothing. Please don't take this as criticism. I'm a late Baby Boomer myself. I was five during the Summer of Love. None of my friends were protesting the Vietnam War or smoking weed. We were playing with Matchbox toy cars. Yet, we get lumped in with... (And the were a small percentage of the early Baby Boom generation, yet everyone assumes early Boomers were getting stoned and signing up to join the SLA, as I just did. )Your premise is incorrect. Gen X was the first with many working mothers. If you were born in 1976 your mother probably worked as much as someone born in 1996. |
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And honestly Millennials are a result of many parents being worthless and not showing and enforcing standards. Helicopter parents and parent trying to be little Johnny's/Janes friend hurt them more than it helped them. Some Millennials are shitheads because mom and Dad didn't take a belt to their ass and failed to enforce disipline. Don't worry at times I was guilty too, being gone all the time and when I was home, I wanted for everything to be nice when I should have been putting my boot in my kids ass every waking moment while I was home. I figured out my shortcomings and enforced tyrannical level discipline later in my children's life. All but one are doing great, one still needs some work and he is currently in corrective/retraining/gulag. Well honestly he is my 40 acres maintenance slave, he love's not being homeless and has accepted his current situation. Six more months of hard labor and I will allow him another chance at life/the real world. I truly wish my parents had been tougher on me in all aspects except being nosy about whose company I was keeping. I never made friends with "bad" kids, as I was smart enough to stay away from them and not break the law or do stupid shit to get myself hurt/killed, but they should have brought the fucking hammer down on me from middle school forward through high school graduation when it came to meeting their expectations - grades wise, chores wise, and how I spent my free time. It's honestly a lot harder to un-fuck yourself when you grew up barely meeting the standards when you were both expected to and were capable of completely exceeding them by a wide margin. I wish they had held my feet to the fire on playing sports and forced me to pick at least one and continue it from grade school through high school (I was GOOD at baseball for my age, and quit playing when I was 7-8 years old because we moved to the town I had gone to school in my whole life and wanted to quit because I didn't want to play against my best friend who still played in the town I lived in before - Mom should've whooped my ass and made me sign up anyways). I wish she had forced me to follow through with a chores list and hit me hard with discipline when I didn't do it BEFORE being asked - took years longer than it should have taken to be responsible for myself, I should've been cleaning that entire house by the time I was in middle school or early high school at the latest, FOR her). Should've been forced to keep a high GPA and do dual enrollment and honors classes instead of being allowed to drop them all because it "wasn't fun." And, I wish I had taken weight lifting every semester from the beginning of 9th grade to the end of senior year. The first dose of the real world I got was quite the shocker. I got fired from the first job I had after turning 18. That was when I learned that real consequences sucked dick and it was best to avoid them by doing what was expected
If I have children, they will be held to a much stricter standard than I was in the areas I lacked... or the punishment will be doled out like was threatened (but rarely delivered) when I was growing up. |