[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Minigun (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 3/27/2011 6:03:26 PM EDT
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Alright, so I'm thinking about winning the lottery or getting insanely rich by some other means. Most likely, it'll be winning the lottery, but I haven't yet decided if I'm going to do it. If I do decide to win the lottery, the first thing I'm going to buy is a Dillion Aeorspace Minigun. I reckon if I won the lottery, I could hook that up. A few questions for the imense knowledhe of....y'all:
1. Does any private citizen own a minigun? 2. I assume the ownership requirements are the same as any other NFA/class 3 firearm. 3. Any idea how much one would cost? I will most likely be mouting it on the side of my monster truck miata I will also buy when I win the lottery. To be clear, I hate miatas, but think one with a ridiculous lift kit and some 35's with a minigun would be bad ass. |
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I think there are maybe a dozen or so? class III M134's (not the Dillion Aero tho, i think they are GE or one of the original manufactorers) in private hands...
I have HEARD, they cost in the 6 figure range tho. Take this post with a grain of salt! 
ETA Looks confirmed by silentweapon338 
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With the cost of acquiring one on a form four I'd bet it might actually make more sense and save you money to start a business with an FFL that "requires" the ownership of a minigun. You could then buy a dealer sample or build one on a form 1 for a heck of a lot less. Ammo could become a tax write off. How much leeway does the ATF allow for acquiring dealer samples for R & D purposes? I doubt any LEO agencies will give you a demo letter. |
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IIRC there is only one transferrable minigun in the US which is the one used in Predator. There were seven a few years ago, but one of those owners decided he was going to have narcotics in Hummer whne he got pulled over. Last I hears it was sitting in the Agent in Charge of the St Paul Branch of the BATF&E's office The one in Predator was a prop gun, I don't Jessie the mouth could carry the battery packs, even with all the steroids he's done |
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IIRC there is only one transferrable minigun in the US which is the one used in Predator. There were seven a few years ago, but one of those owners decided he was going to have narcotics in Hummer whne he got pulled over. Last I hears it was sitting in the Agent in Charge of the St Paul Branch of the BATF&E's office The one in Predator was a prop gun, I don't Jessie the mouth could carry the battery packs, even with all the steroids he's done Even if someone could I would love to see them try pulling the trigger. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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IIRC there is only one transferrable minigun in the US which is the one used in Predator. There were seven a few years ago, but one of those owners decided he was going to have narcotics in Hummer whne he got pulled over. Last I hears it was sitting in the Agent in Charge of the St Paul Branch of the BATF&E's office The one in Predator was a prop gun, I don't Jessie the mouth could carry the battery packs, even with all the steroids he's done Even if someone could I would love to see them try pulling the trigger. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I've read its got 270+ pounds of constant recoil force when you pull the trigger? was a long time ago when I read it, but thats like holding a big feller above your head, let alone trying to hold it from tipping you over 
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Well, when you get one, don't spin the barrels by hand without clearing it. And pick up an extra feeder/de-linker. You'll thank me. that is how you clear a minigun...you just have to remove the housing cover and safety sector first. And spining the bbls on a loaded one? |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I do believe we have a member here with one. Yeah the guy that worked at Walmart and lived at home?  IIRC there is only one transferrable minigun in the US which is the one used in Predator. Major Malfunction (a member here) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v431/RCK1999/Mini-gun.jpg Yeah, but that guy is an 07/02 SOT. Still Badass though  |
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Well, when you get one, don't spin the barrels by hand without clearing it. And pick up an extra feeder/de-linker. You'll thank me. that is how you clear a minigun...you just have to remove the housing cover and safety sector first. And spining the bbls on a loaded one? A properly working minigun is self clearing...40-80-400? If the minigun experiences certain jams or is "bent". Depending on what the jam is determines your course of clearing. First step is to "safe" the gun. By closing the switches Second is to rototate the barrels, to determine if the jam is in feeder or in the gun. If the gun rototates and fires, it isn't most likely in the feeder. If the gun fails to rotate, the jam is probably in the feeder and you need to drop the feeder, and rotate the gun to clear the remaining rounds out of the gun. The housing cover and safety sector is the actual part that trips the bolts and fires the gun. |
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Well, when you get one, don't spin the barrels by hand without clearing it. And pick up an extra feeder/de-linker. You'll thank me. that is how you clear a minigun...you just have to remove the housing cover and safety sector first. And spining the bbls on a loaded one? A properly working minigun is self clearing...40-80-400? If the minigun experiences certain jams or is "bent". Depending on what the jam is determines your course of clearing. First step is to "safe" the gun. By closing the switches Second is to rototate the barrels, to determine if the jam is in feeder or in the gun. If the gun rototates and fires, it isn't most likely in the feeder. If the gun fails to rotate, the jam is probably in the feeder and you need to drop the feeder, and rotate the gun to clear the remaining rounds out of the gun. The housing cover and safety sector is the actual part that trips the bolts and fires the gun. What I'm getting at is rotating the bbls by hand on a normally functioning gun thats ready to go is an AD/ND. |
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Well, when you get one, don't spin the barrels by hand without clearing it. And pick up an extra feeder/de-linker. You'll thank me. that is how you clear a minigun...you just have to remove the housing cover and safety sector first. And spining the bbls on a loaded one? A properly working minigun is self clearing...40-80-400? If the minigun experiences certain jams or is "bent". Depending on what the jam is determines your course of clearing. First step is to "safe" the gun. By closing the switches Second is to rototate the barrels, to determine if the jam is in feeder or in the gun. If the gun rototates and fires, it isn't most likely in the feeder. If the gun fails to rotate, the jam is probably in the feeder and you need to drop the feeder, and rotate the gun to clear the remaining rounds out of the gun. The housing cover and safety sector is the actual part that trips the bolts and fires the gun. What I'm getting at is rotating the bbls by hand on a normally functioning gun thats ready to go is an AD/ND. No, the barrels should be clear already. The barrels won't be loaded until power is applied to the clutch solenoid and the clutch is engaged and the feeder/delinker has started loading the barrels. You can spin the barrels all day long on a clear gun as long as the clutch has not engaged the feeder delinker and you can't do that without electical power or by manually engaging the clutch by hand. You can also spin the barrels all day long once you have removed the housing cover and safety sector. |
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Well, when you get one, don't spin the barrels by hand without clearing it. And pick up an extra feeder/de-linker. You'll thank me. that is how you clear a minigun...you just have to remove the housing cover and safety sector first. And spining the bbls on a loaded one? A properly working minigun is self clearing...40-80-400? If the minigun experiences certain jams or is "bent". Depending on what the jam is determines your course of clearing. First step is to "safe" the gun. By closing the switches Second is to rototate the barrels, to determine if the jam is in feeder or in the gun. If the gun rototates and fires, it isn't most likely in the feeder. If the gun fails to rotate, the jam is probably in the feeder and you need to drop the feeder, and rotate the gun to clear the remaining rounds out of the gun. The housing cover and safety sector is the actual part that trips the bolts and fires the gun. What I'm getting at is rotating the bbls by hand on a normally functioning gun thats ready to go is an AD/ND. No, the barrels should be clear already. The barrels won't be loaded until power is applied to the clutch solenoid and the clutch is engaged and the feeder/delinker has started loading the barrels. You can spin the barrels all day long on a clear gun as long as the clutch has not engaged the feeder delinker and you can't do that without electical power or by manually engaging the clutch by hand. You can also spin the barrels all day long once you have removed the housing cover and safety sector. I guess I'm fucked up then. I saw a stoppage on a mk44 due to a power supply failure, and someone rotating the bbls by hand while we worked on the ps fired the weapon. |
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IIRC there is only one transferrable minigun in the US which is the one used in Predator. There were seven a few years ago, but one of those owners decided he was going to have narcotics in Hummer whne he got pulled over. Last I hears it was sitting in the Agent in Charge of the St Paul Branch of the BATF&E's office The one in Predator was a prop gun, I don't Jessie the mouth could carry the battery packs, even with all the steroids he's done Even if someone could I would love to see them try pulling the trigger. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I've read its got 270+ pounds of constant recoil force when you pull the trigger? was a long time ago when I read it, but thats like holding a big feller above your head, let alone trying to hold it from tipping you over If your weight + weight of minigun = less than 270lbs... Point it straight down. You now have an awesomely retarded jetpack with a thrust/weight ratio of greater than 1.
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Well, when you get one, don't spin the barrels by hand without clearing it. And pick up an extra feeder/de-linker. You'll thank me. that is how you clear a minigun...you just have to remove the housing cover and safety sector first. And spining the bbls on a loaded one? A properly working minigun is self clearing...40-80-400? If the minigun experiences certain jams or is "bent". Depending on what the jam is determines your course of clearing. First step is to "safe" the gun. By closing the switches Second is to rototate the barrels, to determine if the jam is in feeder or in the gun. If the gun rototates and fires, it isn't most likely in the feeder. If the gun fails to rotate, the jam is probably in the feeder and you need to drop the feeder, and rotate the gun to clear the remaining rounds out of the gun. The housing cover and safety sector is the actual part that trips the bolts and fires the gun. What I'm getting at is rotating the bbls by hand on a normally functioning gun thats ready to go is an AD/ND. No, the barrels should be clear already. The barrels won't be loaded until power is applied to the clutch solenoid and the clutch is engaged and the feeder/delinker has started loading the barrels. You can spin the barrels all day long on a clear gun as long as the clutch has not engaged the feeder delinker and you can't do that without electical power or by manually engaging the clutch by hand. You can also spin the barrels all day long once you have removed the housing cover and safety sector. I guess I'm fucked up then. I saw a stoppage on a mk44 due to a power supply failure, and someone rotating the bbls by hand while we worked on the ps fired the weapon. In this case you are correct. Power was removed from the gun which did not allow itself to clear. The clutch was not disengaged by the solenoid. So once power was cut the gun continued to rotate and being the clutch was engaged the feeder kept feeding the barrels. On a proper functioning gun the clutch solenoid will disengage the clutch, the feeder will disengage and stop feeding, the barrels will rototate for 400 milli-seconds and clear itself. A proper functioning gun will continue to rotate the barrels after firing to clear itself. Before firing it reverses the process and spins the barrel for 400 milli-seconds then engages the clutch and starts feeding the gun. |
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I guess I'm fucked up then. I saw a stoppage on a mk44 due to a power supply failure, and someone rotating the bbls by hand while we worked on the ps fired the weapon.[/quote] In this case you are correct. Power was removed from the gun which did not allow itself to clear. The clutch was not disengaged by the solenoid. So once power was cut the gun continued to rotate and being the clutch was engaged the feeder kept feeding the barrels. On a proper functioning gun the clutch solenoid will disengage the clutch, the feeder will disengage and stop feeding, the barrels will rototate for 400 milli-seconds and clear itself. A proper functioning gun will continue to rotate the barrels after firing to clear itself. Before firing it reverses the process and spins the barrel for 400 milli-seconds then engages the clutch and starts feeding the gun.[/quote] I've never signed for a 44. But the tech that replaced the power supply was full of stories about dudes shooting people with ADs in a situaton like ours. Would suck. You got a manual on digits? |
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I guess I'm fucked up then. I saw a stoppage on a mk44 due to a power supply failure, and someone rotating the bbls by hand while we worked on the ps fired the weapon. In this case you are correct. Power was removed from the gun which did not allow itself to clear. The clutch was not disengaged by the solenoid. So once power was cut the gun continued to rotate and being the clutch was engaged the feeder kept feeding the barrels. On a proper functioning gun the clutch solenoid will disengage the clutch, the feeder will disengage and stop feeding, the barrels will rototate for 400 milli-seconds and clear itself. A proper functioning gun will continue to rotate the barrels after firing to clear itself. Before firing it reverses the process and spins the barrel for 400 milli-seconds then engages the clutch and starts feeding the gun.[/quote] I've never signed for a 44. But the tech that replaced the power supply was full of stories about dudes shooting people with ADs in a situaton like ours. Would suck. You got a manual on digits?[/quote] Yes, I have a TO 11W1-13-5-2 But, I was also trained at the USAF Aerial Gunner School in Kirtland AFB, NM summer before last. 
That's why to be properly trained, you always expect that the gun has live rounds in the barrel during every jam or misfeed. And that you clear in a safe direction and always rotate the barrels at least 3 times. Everytime you clear a jam, always expect lives to be in the barrels of a minigun. |
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I guess I'm fucked up then. I saw a stoppage on a mk44 due to a power supply failure, and someone rotating the bbls by hand while we worked on the ps fired the weapon. In this case you are correct. Power was removed from the gun which did not allow itself to clear. The clutch was not disengaged by the solenoid. So once power was cut the gun continued to rotate and being the clutch was engaged the feeder kept feeding the barrels. On a proper functioning gun the clutch solenoid will disengage the clutch, the feeder will disengage and stop feeding, the barrels will rototate for 400 milli-seconds and clear itself. A proper functioning gun will continue to rotate the barrels after firing to clear itself. Before firing it reverses the process and spins the barrel for 400 milli-seconds then engages the clutch and starts feeding the gun. I've never signed for a 44. But the tech that replaced the power supply was full of stories about dudes shooting people with ADs in a situaton like ours. Would suck. You got a manual on digits?[/quote] Yes, I have a TO 11W1-13-5-2 But, I was also trained at the USAF Aerial Gunner School in Kirtland AFB, NM summer before last.
That's why to be properly trained, you always expect that the gun has live rounds in the barrel during every jam or misfeed. And that you clear in a safe direction and always rotate the barrels at least 3 times. Everytime you clear a jam, always expect lives to be in the barrels of a minigun. [/quote] I got 4 hrs training in country and a 5 page zerox hand out . Can you email it?
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I guess I'm fucked up then. I saw a stoppage on a mk44 due to a power supply failure, and someone rotating the bbls by hand while we worked on the ps fired the weapon. In this case you are correct. Power was removed from the gun which did not allow itself to clear. The clutch was not disengaged by the solenoid. So once power was cut the gun continued to rotate and being the clutch was engaged the feeder kept feeding the barrels. On a proper functioning gun the clutch solenoid will disengage the clutch, the feeder will disengage and stop feeding, the barrels will rototate for 400 milli-seconds and clear itself. A proper functioning gun will continue to rotate the barrels after firing to clear itself. Before firing it reverses the process and spins the barrel for 400 milli-seconds then engages the clutch and starts feeding the gun. I've never signed for a 44. But the tech that replaced the power supply was full of stories about dudes shooting people with ADs in a situaton like ours. Would suck. You got a manual on digits? Yes, I have a TO 11W1-13-5-2 But, I was also trained at the USAF Aerial Gunner School in Kirtland AFB, NM summer before last.
That's why to be properly trained, you always expect that the gun has live rounds in the barrel during every jam or misfeed. And that you clear in a safe direction and always rotate the barrels at least 3 times. Everytime you clear a jam, always expect lives to be in the barrels of a minigun. [/quote] I got 4 hrs training in country and a 5 page zerox hand out . Can you email it?[/quote]
Yeah, I'll take it into work tomorrow and see what I can do, IM me with an email address. |
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how the hell did this turn into "the technical aspects of clearing a jam in a M134 (the dillon is the M134D) produced by GE" Hey, it turns out that he needs something from me, that will help him and his folks out in the AOR. Now back to you guys circle jerking over something you can't have... 
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I do believe we have a member here with one. Yeah the guy that worked at Walmart and lived at home?
IIRC there is only one transferrable minigun in the US which is the one used in Predator. The one in Predator isn't a real minigun, it's a propane gun. |
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I do believe we have a member here with one. Yeah the guy that worked at Walmart and lived at home?
IIRC there is only one transferrable minigun in the US which is the one used in Predator. The one in Predator isn't a real minigun, it's a propane gun. Didn't know that. I remember seeing it for sale in SGN a few years ago for $100k. |
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I think there are maybe a dozen or so? class III M134's (not the Dillion Aero tho, i think they are GE or one of the original manufactorers) in private hands... I have HEARD, they cost in the 6 figure range tho. Take this post with a grain of salt!
ETA Looks confirmed by silentweapon338 Perhaps hitting up a Mexican Flea Market might garner decent results?
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It's possible to get a near minigun rate of fire, without the cost or the ammo bill.
Buy a M11/9 and do a little work on it, like I did.
Video of over 3000 RPM: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xc5GcQLB0I |
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Quoted: It's possible to get a near minigun rate of fire, without the cost or the ammo bill. Buy a M11/9 and do a little work on it, like I did. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v632/zack3gpics/gunpr0n/908d801e.jpg Video of over 3000 RPM: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xc5GcQLB0I Amazing picture.... |
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http://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Predator
GE M134 Minigun Handheld Nicknamed "Old Painless", a hand-held M134 Minigun is the main weapon carried by Blain (Jesse Ventura). It has been modded for handheld use with an M60 handguard assembly (installed backwards) and a rear pistol grip which is taken from normal (at the time) Minigun spade grips. The grips are attached to the weapon by a custom Y-frame with an M16-style carry handle that mounts to the weapon's recoil absorbers. The weapon was powered by an electric cable hidden off camera and fired blank rounds to ease the recoil force. It is believed in real life a similar weapon was tested by US special forces in the 1970s but found impractical. Some sources claim the weapon is an XM214 Gatling gun, part of the "Six-Pak" system which fires the smaller 5.56mm NATO rounds. The XM214 never made it beyond testing and the film weapon is clearly the larger M134 as evidenced by the non-tapered barrels, and the four-disc barrel clamp. On the subject of the weapon's caliber the film's technical advisor Kevin Dockery had the following to say. "The Predator gun is an M-134. It was never a microgun (XM-214). That story has been rattling around the Internet and elsewhere for years, that the Predator gun was a 5.56, it wasn't. Ventura had a hand in putting together the harness that held the gun, after all, he had to carry and handle the darn thing, and told me a bunch about it. When Dan had the gun (past tense I believe) he contacted me to see if Ventura wanted to buy the weapon. I'm going to do a writeup on the XM-214 including pictures of me holding one. It isn't a big deal to pick the microgun up and hold it cradled in one arm. Maybe when people see just how small the 5.56mm gun is, this story will start going away. The pack in the movie held all of four seconds worth of ammo and no batteries. In the first scene when Ventura fires the gun, you can see the cable for it in the dirt behind him. And the trigger didn't work. The special effects man handled powering the gun for several reasons, including safety. Something about them not wanting the actors injured if the gun was dropped and the trigger pulled." The gun is also operated in the film by Mac shortly after Blain's death and Mac uses it to chop down half the forest in an attempt to kill the Predator. The ammo pack for the weapon uses an M23 armament system ammo box and cover assembly attached to an ALICE pack frame. These ammunition canisters hold approximately 550 rounds,At the confirmed rate of fire(1,250 RPM) when the weapon was sold the weapon had all of 25 seconds of ammo or just long enough to do the Counter-Ambush scene. For the firing scenes the box is oriented correctly with the feed chute attaching to the upper left corner of the box and oriented on the weapon so the window is facing upward. During the non-firing scenes the ammo box is positioned up and down with the chute turned upside down, hiding the fact that there is no ammunition present. Also for non-firing scenes, the weapon is not hooked up to a power supply, as the pack only contained ammunition, not batteries. This allowed the actor to move freely during these scenes. During the firing scenes, the batteries were just off camera and the weapon was shot so the cables would not be visible. |
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With the cost of acquiring one on a form four I'd bet it might actually make more sense and save you money to start a business with an FFL that "requires" the ownership of a minigun. You could then buy a dealer sample or build one on a form 1 for a heck of a lot less. Ammo could become a tax write off. How much leeway does the ATF allow for acquiring dealer samples for R & D purposes? I doubt any LEO agencies will give you a demo letter. now thats usin the ole nogin! I like the way you think.
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