User Panel
User Panel
User Panel
|
Posted: Today 12:19:15 PM EST
[Last Edit: thesquidliest]
Hate to admit it, but The Turtle is right on this one. Salad Days are here again, but the commie dim fucks will be put back in charge one day. And the filibuster being around is the only reason why more damage wasn't done by the dims during potato's term.
I know I'm disappoint, but if we remove the filibuster and pass all of our goodies, so will the communist fucktard dims when they get the chance.  Attached FileMoar. |
|
|
|
WV, USA
|
Posted: Today 12:21:30 PM EST
[#1]
Why? The left already told us they'd scrap it entirely to ensure we NEVER see political power again if they took the senate.
Fuck em. Nuke it, pass all the reforms that we need that they'll block, then put it back in a way that it can never be removed again. |
|
|
|
Posted: Today 12:26:35 PM EST
[#2]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naporter: Why? The left already told us they'd scrap it entirely to ensure we NEVER see political power again if they took the senate. Fuck em. Nuke it, pass all the reforms that we need that they'll block, then put it back in a way that it can never be removed again. Commitment to keeping the filibuster is a big reason I voted for McCormick. It's not supposed to be easy to pass highly partisan legislation, and we shouldn't yearn for authoritarian abuses from either party. There's also no way to keep it from being removed again. My understanding is that the Senate rules are for that session only and aren't binding for future sessions. I never thought America would reach the point that we'd see "we need fewer checks and balances" become a mainstream opinion. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: Today 12:27:48 PM EST
[#3]
Cocaine Mitch gets a lot of hate. But he’s done a lot of good.
And he’s right. Maintaining the filibuster is imperative. |
|
|
|
UT, USA
|
Posted: Today 12:28:28 PM EST
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naporter: Why? The left already told us they'd scrap it entirely to ensure we NEVER see political power again if they took the senate. Fuck em. Nuke it, pass all the reforms that we need that they'll block, then put it back in a way that it can never be removed again. that was Nolo's take on X. They're gonna nuke it anyway, so might as well use it if you're gonna lose it anyway. I'm not sure. I tend to think in terms of don't take a weapon your enemy may wind up with. But every time I take the high road, left takes the low road and fucks me. |
|
|
TX, USA
|
Posted: Today 12:34:33 PM EST
[#5]
The "HighRoad", straight off the cliff.
|
|
|
WV, USA
|
Posted: Today 12:35:01 PM EST
[Last Edit: Naporter]
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By crashburnrepeat: that was Nolo's take on X. They're gonna nuke it anyway, so might as well use it if you're gonna lose it anyway. I'm not sure. I tend to think in terms of don't take a weapon your enemy may wind up with. But every time I take the high road, left takes the low road and fucks me. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By crashburnrepeat: Originally Posted By Naporter: Why? The left already told us they'd scrap it entirely to ensure we NEVER see political power again if they took the senate. Fuck em. Nuke it, pass all the reforms that we need that they'll block, then put it back in a way that it can never be removed again. that was Nolo's take on X. They're gonna nuke it anyway, so might as well use it if you're gonna lose it anyway. I'm not sure. I tend to think in terms of don't take a weapon your enemy may wind up with. But every time I take the high road, left takes the low road and fucks me. Before they realized they lost, they were ready to do everything in their power to crush us permanently. They have been progressively destroying this country by increasing crime and illegal immigration. If they regain power, they WILL nuke it and stack SCOTUS. They already said they wanted to do it this time. With the filibuster in place, they will block any attempt to actually fix the problems they created. Trump has been handed a once in a lifetime opportunity to right the ship. He can't squander it by playing nice. Originally Posted By MINOBARN: The "HighRoad", straight off the cliff. This. They asked for forgiveness for their totalitarian bullshit after Covid. They played nice right up until they thought they'd be back in power. As soon as they thought they'd win, they started twisting the knife again, but now they're begging us to play nice. They have no honor |
|
|
|
Posted: Today 12:40:29 PM EST
[#7]
He is 100% right on this. Institutional safeguards matter, and the filibuster provides an important one.
|
|
|
|
USA
|
Posted: Today 12:45:35 PM EST
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macros73: Commitment to keeping the filibuster is a big reason I voted for McCormick. It's not supposed to be easy to pass highly partisan legislation, and we shouldn't yearn for authoritarian abuses from either party. There's also no way to keep it from being removed again. My understanding is that the Senate rules are for that session only and aren't binding for future sessions. I never thought America would reach the point that we'd see "we need fewer checks and balances" become a mainstream opinion. You didn't Vote for McCormick!!  
|
|
|
USA
|
Posted: Today 12:46:44 PM EST
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By YoungPatriot: He is 100% right on this. Institutional safeguards matter, and the filibuster provides an important one. And Dems will eliminate as soon as they have 51 votes |
|
|
ISR
|
Posted: Today 12:47:03 PM EST
[#10]
Agreed-it’s not about “taking the high road”, but avoiding the consequences of thinking it won’t come back to bite us in the ass when the communists become the majority in the Senate again.
|
|
|
USA
|
Posted: Today 1:06:44 PM EST
[#11]
That's dumb. It's time to wield power and make sure the democrats never get it again.
|
|
|
SGP
|
Posted: Today 1:11:53 PM EST
[#12]
Get rid of that dumbass shit. It's always been retarded and homosexual, which is why it was rarely used until the 70s, when we really got loaded up with retarded homosexual leadership.
|
|
|
|
Posted: Today 1:12:52 PM EST
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Cocaine Mitch gets a lot of hate. But he’s done a lot of good. And he’s right. Maintaining the filibuster is imperative. If anything the new Senate should move to protect it from the next communist regime. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: Today 1:13:13 PM EST
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By USMCTanker: Agreed-it's not about "taking the high road", but avoiding the consequences of thinking it won't come back to bite us in the ass when the communists become the majority in the Senate again. |
|
|
|
SGP
|
Posted: Today 1:14:40 PM EST
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By USMCTanker: Agreed-it's not about "taking the high road", but avoiding the consequences of thinking it won't come back to bite us in the ass when the communists become the majority in the Senate again. |
|
|
KY, USA
|
Posted: Today 1:15:38 PM EST
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MINOBARN: The "HighRoad", straight off the cliff. |
|
|
|
Posted: Today 1:16:37 PM EST
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naporter: Why? The left already told us they'd scrap it entirely to ensure we NEVER see political power again if they took the senate. Fuck em. Nuke it, pass all the reforms that we need that they'll block, then put it back in a way that it can never be removed again. That's tyranny friend. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: Today 1:18:46 PM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Primecube: And Dems will eliminate as soon as they have 51 votes Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Primecube: Originally Posted By YoungPatriot: He is 100% right on this. Institutional safeguards matter, and the filibuster provides an important one. And Dems will eliminate as soon as they have 51 votes  Attached File |
|
|
|
USA
|
Posted: Today 1:20:39 PM EST
[#19]
Does anyone actually think the leftists won’t scrap the filibuster the second they get in. They’ve already promised they will
Still, I wouldn’t tank it. What I would do, in the next two years, is try and pass ironclad legislation - something very hard to repeal or alter - that (A) makes the process of creating new states extraordinarily difficult, and (B) permanently sets the number of Supreme Court justices to 9 |
|
|
|
Posted: Today 1:26:19 PM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Primecube: And Dems will eliminate as soon as they have 51 votes Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Primecube: Originally Posted By YoungPatriot: He is 100% right on this. Institutional safeguards matter, and the filibuster provides an important one. And Dems will eliminate as soon as they have 51 votes I don't think they will eliminate it unless they have a majority in the House, the Presidency, and at least 50 seats in the senate with senators willing to vote on the rule change. If they have everything lined up to ram legislation through, they will drop it like it's hot. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: Today 1:26:35 PM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Carpe_Carp: Does anyone actually think the leftists won’t scrap the filibuster the second they get in. They’ve already promised they will Still, I wouldn’t tank it. What I would do, in the next two years, is try and pass ironclad legislation - something very hard to repeal or alter - that (A) makes the process of creating new states extraordinarily difficult, and (B) permanently sets the number of Supreme Court justices to 9 I find it hard to believe that with all 3 branches firmly in our grasp, it couldn't be enshrined as a Senate rule that would require an impossible margin to overcome rather than simply a majority vote. Law making should be difficult. It's already far too easy. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: Today 1:30:01 PM EST
[#22]
I'm with Mitch the Bitch on this.
Just like he said the dems would regret it nuking it for court placements. |
|
|
|
SGP
|
Posted: Today 1:38:47 PM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BMSMB: That's tyranny friend. |
|
|
|
Posted: Today 1:41:20 PM EST
[#24]
I think during Obama they wanted to change it because it was Racist.
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Today 1:42:12 PM EST
[#25]
The left certainly doesnt support removing it now, do they?
The filibuster needs to stay. Never support a policy that can be used against you. |
|
|
|
GA, USA
|
Posted: Today 1:43:18 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Cocaine Mitch gets a lot of hate. But he’s done a lot of good. And he’s right. Maintaining the filibuster is imperative. I actually agree, one day the Senate will flip and you'll want that in place. Remember, the founding fathers wanted gridlock and for legislation to take time for rigorous debate. |
|
|
|
Posted: Today 1:45:06 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher15: Bingo. DO NOT CREATE POWERS YOU DO NOT WANT YOUR OPPONENT TO HAVE The trick is ensuring they never take power again  The left made it clear that they intended to break the pendulum off. If we don't act now, they eventually will. Get rid of the fillibuster. Pass national voter ID legislation, get rid of mail-in ballots, mandate day-of voting and day-of counting, toughen penalties for any kind of voter fraud, deport everyone here illegally, unfuck the census numbers so red states get the share of electors they're entitled to, and gerrymander the shit out of everything everywhere. Stack the courts, make northern VA part of D.C. (as it should've been for the past 50+ years), and make life for the left miserable until it just gives up like an exhausted toddler. As much as it pains me to admit, we're past the point of no return. They told us what they were going to do if they took power. There can be no half measures. They tried to imprison their political enemies. They've abused the legal system well past the point our forefathers would've tolerated. They called us Nazi's, racists, bigots, and misogynists and used the Constitution as toilet paper. They made it clear what they were going to do because they thought they'd win. The only reason they've even somewhat moderated since Tuesday is that they know they're at our mercy, and they know what they truly deserve. |
|
|
|
SC, USA
|
Posted: Today 1:45:12 PM EST
[#28]
Why not just change the rules so that you can't eliminate it without a supermajority.
If you won't get rid of it, then protect it so that the Dems can't either. |
|
|
|
Posted: Today 1:48:46 PM EST
[Last Edit: AA717driver]
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naporter: Before they realized they lost, they were ready to do everything in their power to crush us permanently. They have been progressively destroying this country by increasing crime and illegal immigration. If they regain power, they WILL nuke it and stack SCOTUS. They already said they wanted to do it this time. With the filibuster in place, they will block any attempt to actually fix the problems they created. Trump has been handed a once in a lifetime opportunity to right the ship. He can't squander it by playing nice. This. They asked for forgiveness for their totalitarian bullshit after Covid. They played nice right up until they thought they'd be back in power. As soon as they thought they'd win, they started twisting the knife again, but now they're begging us to play nice. They have no honor This. If Trump hadn’t ‘beat the cheat’ against Hillary, she would have had 8 straight years to strip out our freedoms. And she and the Leftist authoritarians would have done their worst. We have two years to get done what we need to get done. Maybe we get another two years of majority in Congress. History says probably not. We know they are going to be out for blood—probably literally. Better do as much damage (or, protection for our rights and freedoms) as possible and plan to have it done in two years. |
|
|
|
USA
|
Posted: Today 2:00:14 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BMSMB: That's tyranny friend. And? Freedom isn't for our enemies. |
|
|
|
Posted: Today 2:12:19 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By odiedodi: It wasn't even possible until 1806, and wasn't done until 1837. By extension, you are calling all of the founding fathers tyrants. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By odiedodi: Originally Posted By BMSMB: That's tyranny friend. Ironically, most of the modern rules of cloture and filibuster were established by Democrats to block the Civil Rights Act. But both are supposedly hallowed, pillars of Congressional procedure that epitomize "checks and balances" |
|
|
|
|
Posted: Today 2:17:15 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Cocaine Mitch gets a lot of hate. But he's done a lot of good. And he's right. Maintaining the filibuster is imperative. There are other ways to get Senate support. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: Today 2:18:33 PM EST
[#33]
No argument here. Getting rid of it will bite us in the butt one day when we really need it.
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Today 2:19:36 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MINOBARN: The "HighRoad", straight off the cliff. The high road is fine for friends and completely broken enemies it is not a valid means of waging a war to save your country and it's people. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: Today 2:20:13 PM EST
[#35]
Originally Posted By thesquidliest: Hate to admit it, but The Turtle is right on this one. Salad Days are here again, but the commie dim fucks will be put back in charge one day. And the filibuster being around is the only reason why more damage wasn't done by the dims during potato's term. I know I'm disappoint, but if we remove the filibuster and pass all of our goodies, so will the communist fucktard dims when they get the chance. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/446660/IMG_0454_jpeg-3372435.JPG Moar. Oh horseshit. They will reinstate it as soon as it meets their needs regardless of what the right does in the name of collegiality. Remember kids, the republicans are only there to make you feel like the game isn’t totally rigged and that you have a say in the process. |
|
|
|
TX, USA
|
Posted: Today 2:20:37 PM EST
[#36]
The filibuster was put into place by people way smarter than any of us.
Cocaine Mitch is a piece of shit but he's not always wrong. This is one of those times. |
|
|
|
Posted: Today 2:21:19 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By YoungPatriot: He is 100% right on this. Institutional safeguards matter, and the filibuster provides an important one. Institutional, perhaps, but constitutional? No. That is, the filibuster is a Senate rule, not a constitutional requirement. A simple majority is all that is needed. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: Today 2:22:51 PM EST
[#38]
Good news.
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Today 2:24:13 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DMFOTNM: That's dumb. It's time to wield power and make sure the democrats never get it again. Ain't no such thing as never. |
|
|
|
ISR
|
Posted: Today 2:34:00 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DMFOTNM: That's dumb. It's time to wield power and make sure the democrats never get it again. Ah…”to make sure they never get it again”. They will however. It’s how our system works. The communists will return to a majority in the legislative branch again in the future. That much is a certainty if we are truly a democratic republic. On that day, I want them to remain neutered. |
|
|
ISR
|
Posted: Today 2:39:04 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By odiedodi: That's a risk I'm willing to take. The Senate's not reddit, and they shouldn't be allowed to reddit their way of legislation. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By odiedodi: Originally Posted By USMCTanker: Agreed-it's not about "taking the high road", but avoiding the consequences of thinking it won't come back to bite us in the ass when the communists become the majority in the Senate again. What’s your Plan B when the potential worst case outcome of your deliberately assumed risks come to fruition? |
|
|
USA
|
Posted: Today 2:50:53 PM EST
[Last Edit: Master_Blaster]
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By YoungPatriot: He is 100% right on this. Institutional safeguards matter, and the filibuster provides an important one. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By YoungPatriot: He is 100% right on this. Institutional safeguards matter, and the filibuster provides an important one. Originally Posted By USMCTanker: Ah…”to make sure they never get it again”. They will however. It’s how our system works. The communists will return to a majority in the legislative branch again in the future. That much is a certainty if we are truly a democratic republic. On that day, I want them to remain neutered. "Institutional safeguards" will be scrapped when the other side gains control. Watch for it. I'm all for checks & balances. I'm also for dealing with reality, & the reality is that we're in bananAmerica, not the USofA, & the constitutional rights that were lost need to be reclaimed while still possible, before they're finally gone for good, which they will be in the next political zombie wave. And stupid conservatives should stop falling into idiot tropes like "Back the blue". Enough of that horseshit. They there to "protect & serve" the government tribe, not you. As clearly demonstrated in 2020, the constitution plays no part in American government & policing. We have limited time to reclaim rights, if only temporarily. |
|
|
|
Posted: Today 3:00:51 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheOtherDave: Oh horseshit. They will reinstate it as soon as it meets their needs regardless of what the right does in the name of collegiality. Remember kids, the republicans are only there to make you feel like the game isn’t totally rigged and that you have a say in the process. Yup the party that snatch’s defeat from the jaws of victory. Every single time. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: Today 3:11:31 PM EST
[#44]
I see both sides.
I would rather keep it in place, I'd rather make it a permanent constitutional amendment. On the other hand democrats would have got rid of it if they could have, and they likely might when they get power back down the road. It's a tough call. Remove it because they're possibly going to down the road and take advantage of it while you can, but in doing so it will guarantee they will ram through everything they can with no safeguard down the road. The other thing to consider is we have a very weak house majority we probably won't be able to do that much anyway. Anything highly controversial may not get through the house anyway, our majorities In both chambers are going to be small. It would be a shame to get rid of the filibuster and not be able to do much with it, only to set the example for dems to take full advantage of it down the road and even having the moral high ground doing so since we started it. Overall I say leave it. If anything try to do something to protect it for the future. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: Today 3:12:45 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FreeXP: No argument here. Getting rid of it will bite us in the butt one day when we really need it. I tend to agree. The problem is they will possibly get rid of it anyway down the road. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: Today 3:13:21 PM EST
[#46]
Cocaine Mitch should show some balls and say they are changing it to 65%. Faggotry.
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Today 3:13:43 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sh768: Why not just change the rules so that you can't eliminate it without a supermajority. If you won't get rid of it, then protect it so that the Dems can't either. That would be ideal, but they set up the rules every two years and any rule we make now won't be binding for the future. At least that's how I understand it. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: Today 3:14:51 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Primecube: And Dems will eliminate as soon as they have 51 votes Not if they have to get 65 votes to do it. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: Today 3:15:26 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DMFOTNM: That's dumb. It's time to wield power and make sure the democrats never get it again. As nice as that would be it's not going to happen. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: Today 3:17:20 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wyomingnick: That would be ideal, but they set up the rules every two years and any rule we make now won't be binding for the future. At least that's how I understand it. They should make a rule they have to go two sessions in a row after proposing it before they can do it. |
|
|
|
Win a FREE Membership!
Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. One new winner* is announced every week!
You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers.
AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types.
From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm.
Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more.
Copyright © 1996-2024 AR15.COM LLC. All Rights Reserved.
Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited.
AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own.
