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Posted: Today 3:17:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wyomingnick: That would be ideal, but they set up the rules every two years and any rule we make now won't be binding for the future. At least that's how I understand it. They should make a rule they have to go two sessions in a row after proposing it before they can do it. |
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Posted: Today 3:19:16 PM EST
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Perhaps the best option would be to give democrats the choice.
We don't trust them nor should we. Their word is worthless. Knowing they intended on getting rid of it and will when they have the opportunity, we ought give them the choice we either remove the filibuster and ram through everything we want while we can because we know they're going to do the same, or they can get on board and join together to make it a constitutional amendment protecting it forever. Otherwise any gentleman's agreement we make with them to keep it is going to be thrown out in the trash as soon as they get power. Ball is in their court, either work together to protect it for both parties or bend over. |
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Posted: Today 3:31:41 PM EST
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Eliminating it would come back to bite us, just as the democrats implementing the "nuclear option" to avoid the needed 60 votes on issues in the senate, came back to bite them during Trumps supreme court nominations.
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Posted: Today 3:35:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By USMCTanker: What's your Plan B when the potential worst case outcome of your deliberately assumed risks come to fruition? It's absolutely pathetic that so many people consider an unintentional loophole of talking out the clock to be a hedge against tyranny. George Washington would laugh at that. |
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Posted: Today 3:51:38 PM EST
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Mitch the bitch is right on this one. You have to actually conserve things to be a conservative. National legislation should be hard to pass and should need agreement from a majority of the people’s representatives. As much as I’d like to break it off in the Dems, eliminating the filibuster would come back to bite us all in the ass when the other party inevitably takes control again.
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Posted: Today 3:53:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By C3H5N3O9: Mitch the bitch is right on this one. You have to actually conserve things to be a conservative. National legislation should be hard to pass and should need agreement from a majority of the people's representatives. As much as I'd like to break it off in the Dems, eliminating the filibuster would come back to bite us all in the ass when the other party inevitably takes control again. |
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Posted: Today 4:16:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bizzarolibe: The trick is ensuring they never take power again  The left made it clear that they intended to break the pendulum off. If we don't act now, they eventually will. Get rid of the fillibuster. Pass national voter ID legislation, get rid of mail-in ballots, mandate day-of voting and day-of counting, toughen penalties for any kind of voter fraud, deport everyone here illegally, unfuck the census numbers so red states get the share of electors they're entitled to, and gerrymander the shit out of everything everywhere. Stack the courts, make northern VA part of D.C. (as it should've been for the past 50+ years), and make life for the left miserable until it just gives up like an exhausted toddler. As much as it pains me to admit, we're past the point of no return. They told us what they were going to do if they took power. There can be no half measures. They tried to imprison their political enemies. They've abused the legal system well past the point our forefathers would've tolerated. They called us Nazi's, racists, bigots, and misogynists and used the Constitution as toilet paper. They made it clear what they were going to do because they thought they'd win. The only reason they've even somewhat moderated since Tuesday is that they know they're at our mercy, and they know what they truly deserve.  Attached File |
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Posted: Today 4:29:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By odiedodi: The conservative thing to do is get rid of it, and also get rid of direct elections of senators. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By odiedodi: Originally Posted By C3H5N3O9: Mitch the bitch is right on this one. You have to actually conserve things to be a conservative. National legislation should be hard to pass and should need agreement from a majority of the people's representatives. As much as I'd like to break it off in the Dems, eliminating the filibuster would come back to bite us all in the ass when the other party inevitably takes control again. No, the Senate did not initially have a way to vote on cloture, which is how the filibuster exists in the first place. Progressives like Woodrow Wilson are why it’s even possible to end the debate on a bill. I’m for getting rid of the 17th amendment and returning that power to the state legislatures, but I don’t think it’s going to happen. |
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Posted: Today 4:40:13 PM EST
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I think everyone learned not to fuck with certain things after Harry Reid fucked with it in regards to nominees and it bit them in the ass big time when Trump wound up using it to confirm three justices.
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Posted: Today 4:51:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naporter: Why? The left already told us they'd scrap it entirely to ensure we NEVER see political power again if they took the senate. Fuck em. Nuke it, pass all the reforms that we need that they'll block, then put it back in a way that it can never be removed again. The last party that pulled that is still crying about it. Harry Reid nuked the filibuster for judicial nominees in order to pack the judiciary. As a result, Trump didn't have to get Democratic support to put Federalist Society-approved judges throughout the federal judiciary, nor to put Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and Barrett on the Supreme Court. When Harry did that, there was a rather impassioned speech by some Republican senator warning him and the rest of the Dems that they would regret doing that. And they did, right after the next election. |
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Posted: Today 5:10:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By USMCTanker: Agreed-it’s not about “taking the high road”, but avoiding the consequences of thinking it won’t come back to bite us in the ass when the communists become the majority in the Senate again. This. Demographics is destiny. Look at the vote break down of this cycle; and realize that the only reason the GOP is still a going party is because of the current demographics of the elderly boomers (now on retirement) plus the Gen Xers and Millennials who make up the majority of the workers now. Of all live births in the United States during 2020-2022 (average), 51.5% were White. 20 years earlier in 2000-2001, the average for live births was 78.9% white. Look at the demographics of this election in particular, who voted for who and by what margins -- the only reason we were able to win this time was because 2020-2024 was the highwater mark of anti-male propaganda in the US; the constant demonization of men in all media essentially skewed the youth vote into voting for us...this time. But they'll revert back to their original default settings once the "hate the patriarchy" stuff dies out. THAT'S why you want to have safeguards like the filibuster, etc in place; because unless we can suddenly reverse 20 years of demographic change... |
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Posted: Today 5:12:38 PM EST
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This a pivotal moment in the history of this republic. If it’s needed to gain real lasting reforms so be it. If it is for bullshit pork then no. The filibuster has saved us from some real bullshit in the past.
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Posted: Today 5:16:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sebastian_MacMaine: The last party that pulled that is still crying about it. Harry Reid nuked the filibuster for judicial nominees in order to pack the judiciary. As a result, Trump didn't have to get Democratic support to put Federalist Society-approved judges throughout the federal judiciary, nor to put Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and Barrett on the Supreme Court. When Harry did that, there was a rather impassioned speech by some Republican senator warning him and the rest of the Dems that they would regret doing that. And they did, right after the next election. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sebastian_MacMaine: Originally Posted By Naporter: Why? The left already told us they'd scrap it entirely to ensure we NEVER see political power again if they took the senate. Fuck em. Nuke it, pass all the reforms that we need that they'll block, then put it back in a way that it can never be removed again. The last party that pulled that is still crying about it. Harry Reid nuked the filibuster for judicial nominees in order to pack the judiciary. As a result, Trump didn't have to get Democratic support to put Federalist Society-approved judges throughout the federal judiciary, nor to put Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and Barrett on the Supreme Court. When Harry did that, there was a rather impassioned speech by some Republican senator warning him and the rest of the Dems that they would regret doing that. And they did, right after the next election. This. No matter what, it would end up coming back on us. The pendulum always swings, it is inevitable that the Dems will be in charge again at some point. I'm in favor of protecting it so that the Dems can't kill it the next time they are in power. I agree with what someone else said, laws should be hard to pass. |
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Posted: Today 5:17:12 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By inkaybee: This a pivotal moment in the history of this republic. If it’s needed to gain real lasting reforms so be it. If it is for bullshit pork then no. The filibuster has saved us from some real bullshit in the past. The filibuster is a check on power within the senate. I can’t imagine anybody thinking it would be a good thing to remove it. Absolutely complete short sightedness. |
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Posted: Today 5:25:41 PM EST
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The filibuster is one of the last legislative protections the minority has against the majority.
It needs to remain. |
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Posted: Today 5:29:23 PM EST
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honestly, fuck them. Remove it. pass all our shit, then pass a law stating it can not be removed after we're done and before midterms.
This is, of course, just mental masturbation and will never happen. |
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Posted: Today 5:35:12 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bad2006z71: I'm with Mitch the Bitch on this. Just like he said the dems would regret it nuking it for court placements. Karma is being served in the form of 5 or 6 Trump appointments, and I'm fine with them reaping what they've sewn. It will be a majority T$ court by the end. Keep it for general legislation, though. |
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Posted: Today 5:44:39 PM EST
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This thread continues to be a shocking example of why we lose even when we win.
Do you people legitimately think there'll be 60 votes when you have to get some from the "Trump is literally Hitler!" crowd? Voting reforms? Yeah right Immigration reform? We saw their idea of this already. Budget cuts? Impossible Cabinet Appointments? Not a single one. If Trump somehow magically had a bill to cure cancer, these fuckers would vote against it out of spite. |
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Posted: Today 5:46:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naporter: This thread continues to be a shocking example of why we lose even when we win. Do you people legitimately think there'll be 60 votes when you have to get some from the "Trump is literally Hitler!" crowd? Voting reforms? Yeah right Immigration reform? We saw their idea of this already. Budget cuts? Impossible Cabinet Appointments? Not a single one. If Trump somehow magically had a bill to cure cancer, these fuckers would vote against it out of spite. How many votes do you think you need for cabinet or judicial appointments |
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Posted: Today 5:46:26 PM EST
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Mitch McConnell can get fucked. He is the old style worthless POS Republicans that I hate who literally were a bunch of racists just trying to make more money for big business.
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Posted: Today 5:47:58 PM EST
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Legislation should inherently be hard to pass. Lowering the vote threshold means more junk laws get passed. Higher thresholds = more debate, and more discussion and more balanced laws. It also makes knee jerk reaction laws harder to pass.
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VA, USA
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Posted: Today 5:49:20 PM EST
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Just have every member of the current senate sign a pledge never to support the elimination of the filibuster. Make a big deal about it.
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Posted: Today 5:50:44 PM EST
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It worked out well for Senator Harry Reed from NV.
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Posted: Today 5:55:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naporter: Why? The left already told us they'd scrap it entirely to ensure we NEVER see political power again if they took the senate. Fuck em. Nuke it, pass all the reforms that we need that they'll block, then put it back in a way that it can never be removed again. Kill the filibuster, then pass a law requiring 60 percent of the Senate to support all laws after reforms are made but before the dems take it back. |
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Posted: Today 6:01:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ARSSGEOD: Mitch McConnell can get fucked. He is the old style worthless POS Republicans that I hate who literally were a bunch of racists just trying to make more money for big business. The Supreme Court tho |
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WA, USA
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Posted: Today 7:26:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naporter: Why? The left already told us they'd scrap it entirely to ensure we NEVER see political power again if they took the senate. Fuck em. Nuke it, pass all the reforms that we need that they'll block, then put it back in a way that it can never be removed again. This, unfortunately they will nuke it first chance they get… |
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Posted: Today 7:27:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Cocaine Mitch gets a lot of hate. But he’s done a lot of good. And he’s right. Maintaining the filibuster is imperative. True but given the chance the left will end it immediately anyway and we’ll have once again tied our hands behind our backs. I’m not promoting removing the filibuster, I just know in the end we’re the only ones who will form a suicide pact around it… |
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Posted: Today 10:10:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naporter: This thread continues to be a shocking example of why we lose even when we win. Do you people legitimately think there'll be 60 votes when you have to get some from the "Trump is literally Hitler!" crowd? Voting reforms? Yeah right Immigration reform? We saw their idea of this already. Budget cuts? Impossible Cabinet Appointments? Not a single one. If Trump somehow magically had a bill to cure cancer, these fuckers would vote against it out of spite. Don't think you need 60 for cabinet appointments. |
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Posted: Today 10:22:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AA717driver: This. If Trump hadn’t ‘beat the cheat’ against Hillary, she would have had 8 straight years to strip out our freedoms. And she and the Leftist authoritarians would have done their worst. We have two years to get done what we need to get done. Maybe we get another two years of majority in Congress. History says probably not. We know they are going to be out for blood—probably literally. Better do as much damage (or, protection for our rights and freedoms) as possible and plan to have it done in two years. Maybe and maybe not. Republicans did very well among groups that they usually don't field well in. Mainly, the minorities. If Republicans can continue their ground game and start reaching out to communities they often overlooked they could either hold in '28 or maybe even gain some seats. The far left's message doesn't resonate as well as they want. We just have to start fielding some quality candidates. |
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