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Posted: 6/8/2011 8:58:23 AM EDT
| The recent increase in bad no-knock raids or no-knock raids ending badly for the home owner made me think. Say you build and marketed a device that would sense when a large force is being applied to your door. If a certain amount of force is applied to any part of the door, a large electro magnet would be actived which would a) pull down steel reinformcents to baracade the door. It would also make using a steel ram impossible. It might also get you a few new rifles if they stick to the wall hard enough. |
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Why go through that? Drug dealers have been known to make murder cages around the doors. Basically it's a steel cage just inside the door, so you come in the door and can't advance until you cut through or create an alternate entry point.
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I always thought it would just be easier to cut out the floor in front of the door and throw a rug over it.Bam,into the basement they pour........... Install a trap door. Closed during the day, open at night. This man is intelligent. Install a 20' pit, fill it with foam at the bottom and sides, like those big containers they practice motocross jumps into. |
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Quoted: I always thought it would just be easier to cut out the floor in front of the door and throw a rug over it.Bam,into the basement they pour........... This is exactly where my mind went. Everyone who's welcome would know where the real door is. Anyone wanting to barge in could free fall down a deep hole. Maybe throw a bunch of old busted up furniture, or junkyard auto parts, down there, to cushion the landing. Forget the rug, and do a hinged floor section that would spring back into place. |
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I'm reminded of this from Atlas Shrugged There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law abiding citizens? What’s there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted—and you create a nation of law-breakers—and then you cash in on guilt. |
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The new house Im in the process of buyin has the front door about 4 feet above the base level of the structure. I've toyed with the idea of having a reinforced post that could retract into the floor during 'normal buisiness' and that would be extended at night.
Not sure how well it would work because its a big double door. |
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The new house Im in the process of buyin has the front door about 4 feet above the base level of the structure. I've toyed with the idea of having a reinforced post that could retract into the floor during 'normal buisiness' and that would be extended at night. Not sure how well it would work because its a big double door. you could build a structure under it that would only support up to 300 pounds. After 300 pounds it breaks and the trap door opens up. One person would be ok, but a swat team lining up for a dynamic entry would release the trap door. |
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IBTL&SM. If you're really concerned, just get a bunch of cardboard cutouts of this guy and put 'em all around the front door. Would guarantee at least two LEO's get shots off. Best way to slow them down & warn you.  -SS ETA: Of course, this guy will make all the LEO's that know how to shoot start laughing... 
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There are probably laws against that... a man trap would be illegal but making your doors or windows home invasion proof would not be. As long as your not intending on trapping someone or setting up a booby trap.. reinforce your doors. there are lots of products out there. |
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The new house Im in the process of buyin has the front door about 4 feet above the base level of the structure. I've toyed with the idea of having a reinforced post that could retract into the floor during 'normal buisiness' and that would be extended at night. Not sure how well it would work because its a big double door. you could build a structure under it that would only support up to 300 pounds. After 300 pounds it breaks and the trap door opens up. One person would be ok, but a swat team lining up for a dynamic entry would release the trap door. Or you could use a single, reinforced door with multiple locking bolts. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Most places, there is.There are probably laws against that... You can't fortify your house like that. its my house ill do what it takes to make it safe I did some googling, and it looks like it is illegal to fortify it only if you are committing a felony. So if you are a law abiding citizen, you will probably not be charged with anything. They probably use the law to tack on additional charges for criminals. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Most places, there is.There are probably laws against that... You can't fortify your house like that. IIRC, most of the laws that are in place concerning fortifications only concern "drug houses" Yeah, I posted above it looks like it is illegal only if you are commiting a felony on the premises. |
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You should be more worried about shark attacks, killer bees, or being struck by lightening than worrying about a police raid on your house. Should be, but sadly, that's not the case. I know. Some people just are too wrapped up in their fantasy lives to worry about reality. If GD spent half the time at the gym that they spent on the internet worrying (should I say fantasizing) about something that will never happen to them, they would be prepared to face the real threat - heart disease and obesity. |
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I'm reminded of this from Atlas Shrugged There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law abiding citizens? What’s there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted—and you create a nation of law-breakers—and then you cash in on guilt.
And thus the ATF was born. 
Great quote honestly and a great book. |
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You're going to have extreme difficulty keeping out a skilled team that really wants in. Just FYI. I think the idea is to build usable time, Understood... but against a good team? And in a normal-appearing structure? That's going to be extremely difficult. I've been on warrants where we took down fortified locations... reinforced steel doors, heavy burglar bars, etc. None of that stuff stopped our breachers... we either went through it, or around it (if going through it was going to require such measures as to endanger the occupants or neighbors) Those things would stop your standard dope-rip crew, or group of knuckleheads, and that's what those kinds of things are supposed to do. But when you start factoring in professionals with hydraulic tools, heavy equipment, and explosives? The only way to keep that type of group out is to live in a bank vault. |
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Most places, there is.
There are probably laws against that... You can't fortify your house like that. its my house ill do what it takes to make it safe I did some googling, and it looks like it is illegal to fortify it only if you are committing a felony. So if you are a law abiding citizen, you will probably not be charged with anything. They probably use the law to tack on additional charges for criminals. Meh, they can always get you for resisting arrest. All they have to do is have 5 guys lay on you, while yelling "stop resisting," and you're toast. |
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<...> If a certain amount of force is applied to any part of the door, a large electro magnet would be actived which would <...> Why would you want it only to activate when a certain load is applied? Why not just have a crossbar that only opens with the proper key / combo. Think of a valut door, they don't configure those to only be locked when someone is trying to break into them. |
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You're going to have extreme difficulty keeping out a skilled team that really wants in. Just FYI. I think the idea is to build usable time, Understood... but against a good team? And in a normal-appearing structure? That's going to be extremely difficult. I've been on warrants where we took down fortified locations... reinforced steel doors, heavy burglar bars, etc. None of that stuff stopped our breachers... we either went through it, or around it (if going through it was going to require such measures as to endanger the occupants or neighbors) Those things would stop your standard dope-rip crew, or group of knuckleheads, and that's what those kinds of things are supposed to do. But when you start factoring in professionals with hydraulic tools, heavy equipment, and explosives? The only way to keep that type of group out is to live in a bank vault. I really think some people assume swat sits around all day lifting weights, and when some detective tosses a search warrant in the office, they load up and head out using mapquest directions to get there. Most professional teams will do their own assesment of the target structure, to include accessing floor plans. They won't be hitting the target blind and will likely have advance knowledge of barricades - maybe not specifics, but they will come prepared. |
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Here is my take on this. As a law abiding citizen, my ONLY concern is with giving myself enough time to know if its actually the cops or some scumbags pretending to be the cops. If you reinforce your door and frame to the point where it takes a while to kick it in, that gives you all the time in the world to figure out if you are dealing with law enforcement or criminals. If its LEO, I'll be waiting patiently in my living room, unarmed and I will not resist. We'll sort it out in court. If its NOT law enforcement, lets just say I'll be responding differently, according to the situation at hand. |
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You're going to have extreme difficulty keeping out a skilled team that really wants in. Just FYI. I think the idea is to build usable time, Understood... but against a good team? And in a normal-appearing structure? That's going to be extremely difficult. I've been on warrants where we took down fortified locations... reinforced steel doors, heavy burglar bars, etc. None of that stuff stopped our breachers... we either went through it, or around it (if going through it was going to require such measures as to endanger the occupants or neighbors) Those things would stop your standard dope-rip crew, or group of knuckleheads, and that's what those kinds of things are supposed to do. But when you start factoring in professionals with hydraulic tools, heavy equipment, and explosives? The only way to keep that type of group out is to live in a bank vault. I really think some people assume swat sits around all day lifting weights, and when some detective tosses a search warrant in the office, they load up and head out using mapquest directions to get there. Most professional teams will do their own assesment of the target structure, to include accessing floor plans. They won't be hitting the target blind and will likely have advance knowledge of barricades - maybe not specifics, but they will come prepared. I agree. They will research EVERY aspect of how to most expeditiously and safely breach the door... every aspect except the number NEXT to the door. |