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Posted: Today 8:38:10 AM EST
It’s amazing to me what people will tolerate from their local law enforcement.
https://www.wsmv.com/2024/11/04/wsmv4-investigates-uncovers-more-than-600-cases-sober-drivers-arrested-dui-tennessee/ WSMV4 Investigates’ reporting found a backlog of alcohol and toxicology tests at the TBI means innocent drivers are losing their jobs and insurance while they wait to clear their names. The TBI data shows the arrest of sober drivers happened one or less than one percent of the time in that time frame. The vast majority of DUI arrests resulted in either alcohol or drugs found in the driver’s system. But because there are so many DUI arrests, an average of 15,000 a year, that one percent has resulted in hundreds of arrests of sober drivers.  More than 600 sober drivers arrested for DUI in TN |
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MS, USA
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Posted: Today 8:42:06 AM EST
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Knee jerk laws lobbied for by groups full of middle aged women causing innocent people to lose their freedom and livelihood.
I’m shocked, absolutely shocked I tell you |
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Posted: Today 8:49:20 AM EST
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It was a legitimate cause 30 years ago.
Then the states kept lowering the BAC to be considered DUI. Like everything else, it just became a way to raise revenue. Am I surprised that people have been fucked over by The State? 
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OK, USA
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Posted: Today 8:49:23 AM EST
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This is something that has always terrified me. I don’t drink but I couldn’t pass a field sobriety test to save my life. If I even got charged it would really screw me up with my job.
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Posted: Today 8:50:46 AM EST
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Friendly reminder:
The State is not your friend. |
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Posted: Today 8:51:54 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jeff_1: This is something that has always terrified me. I don’t drink but I couldn’t pass a field sobriety test to save my life. If I even got charged it would really screw me up with my job. which test couldnt you pass and why? |
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MI, USA
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Posted: Today 8:51:56 AM EST
[Last Edit: wizzi01]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jeff_1: This is something that has always terrified me. I don’t drink but I couldn’t pass a field sobriety test to save my life. If I even got charged it would really screw me up with my job. Yep, since tearing up my back gait and balance have been absolute shit. |
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Posted: Today 8:53:56 AM EST
[Last Edit: SmilingBandit]
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I'll just wait for someone to say that it's no big deal because the system will eventually work and the charges will be dropped.
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Posted: Today 8:54:28 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jeff_1: This is something that has always terrified me. I don’t drink but I couldn’t pass a field sobriety test to save my life. If I even got charged it would really screw me up with my job. If you were sober the breathalyzer would reflect that |
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Posted: Today 8:55:11 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NCPatrolAR: which test couldnt you pass and why? Who cares? They are based on the observer's observations and bad cops will say that you failed regardless of your performance. |
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Posted: Today 8:55:49 AM EST
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For stats purposes, DWI arrests, not convictions are what counts.
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MA, USA
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Posted: Today 8:56:10 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 797hp: If you were sober the breathalyzer would reflect that Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 797hp: Originally Posted By Jeff_1: This is something that has always terrified me. I don’t drink but I couldn’t pass a field sobriety test to save my life. If I even got charged it would really screw me up with my job. If you were sober the breathalyzer would reflect that All those people blew zero and still got arrested. |
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Posted: Today 8:56:11 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 797hp: If you were sober the breathalyzer would reflect that Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 797hp: Originally Posted By Jeff_1: This is something that has always terrified me. I don’t drink but I couldn’t pass a field sobriety test to save my life. If I even got charged it would really screw me up with my job. If you were sober the breathalyzer would reflect that A bad cop will just change his tune to it being drugs. |
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Posted: Today 8:56:47 AM EST
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I represented a legal alien who was arrested for driving under the influence of drugs after a "drug recognition expert" claimed he "showed signs of being under the influence of drugs." He had to renew his student visa and was given a hard time over his DWI arrest. The test results came back negative eventually. He also had his car towed and he had to pay for that. I tried to talk him into suing but he refused.
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USA
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Posted: Today 8:57:01 AM EST
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Only more betterer laws & breathilizer-controlled starter for our EVs can save us. And, decrease that carbon foot print!
Write your local political loon demanding “something be done for the children….and grandchildren….” Another endorsement for recreational pot—because it never impairs anyone If meth, Ritalin & amphetamines or other performance enhancing drugs improve a bad driver’s abilities—should they be mandatory for shitty left-lane camping drivers? Maybe that’s the left lane camper cure? 
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Posted: Today 8:57:11 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 797hp: If you were sober the breathalyzer would reflect that Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 797hp: Originally Posted By Jeff_1: This is something that has always terrified me. I don't drink but I couldn't pass a field sobriety test to save my life. If I even got charged it would really screw me up with my job. If you were sober the breathalyzer would reflect that |
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MO, USA
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Posted: Today 8:59:07 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Glocked: Knee jerk laws lobbied for by groups full of middle aged women causing innocent people to lose their freedom and livelihood. I’m shocked, absolutely shocked I tell you I’m even less shocked that the police are enforcing these laws. Maybe the tbl krew will be along shortly to tell us how all of us are terrible people for even questioning their methods. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: Today 8:59:37 AM EST
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I've known people who were arrested for DUI who deserved it, I know people who were stopped and arrested for completely BS reasons. I am by no means a proponent of DUI, especially with the ease of Uber/Lyft, and I cringe at the thought of my drinking and driving when I was younger.
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WA, USA
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Posted: Today 9:00:23 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 797hp: If you were sober the breathalyzer would reflect that |
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Posted: Today 9:02:37 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Britt-dog: That the point of this thread. People getting jammed up by the state regardless of how they blow. The man will haul you in even if you blow zero. Then the tox screen will take months or years to get done. Mean while your life is ruined. Just an arrest would have serious implications for me and my clearance. |
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Posted: Today 9:03:41 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JBecker_72: What's wild to me is how many in LE don't even care about that. The ends justify the means. Just an arrest would have serious implications for me and my clearance. The real question is if qualified immunity should be a thing |
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OH, USA
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Posted: Today 9:04:55 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JBecker_72: What's wild to me is how many in LE don't even care about that. The ends justify the means. Just an arrest would have serious implications for me and my clearance. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JBecker_72: Originally Posted By Britt-dog: That the point of this thread. People getting jammed up by the state regardless of how they blow. The man will haul you in even if you blow zero. Then the tox screen will take months or years to get done. Mean while your life is ruined. Just an arrest would have serious implications for me and my clearance. Back 'em harder, boys! |
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Posted: Today 9:06:18 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NCPatrolAR: which test couldnt you pass and why? |
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Posted: Today 9:07:47 AM EST
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I want to know what part of the field sobriety test are they failing?
Is it the Horizontal Gaze Nystagmus Test? There has to be a common denominator here. Also, What happens if you refuse a field sobriety test and you’re not impaired? Proven by blood test? |
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GA, USA
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Posted: Today 9:09:12 AM EST
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Had (past tense) a relative in the Tennessee HP.
The stories he'd laughingly tell of fucking with "civillians" would make you stay off the roads. |
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AR, USA
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Posted: Today 9:09:14 AM EST
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I like a beer or two when we go out to shoot some pool or whatever.
I was thinking about getting a breathalyzer for the car. They're cheap. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: Today 9:10:22 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By intheburbs: It was a legitimate cause 30 years ago. Then the states kept lowering the BAC to be considered DUI. Like everything else, it just became a way to raise revenue. Am I surprised that people have been fucked over by The State? Bingo. |
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Posted: Today 9:10:47 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By aquaman67: I want to know what part of the field sobriety test are they failing? Is it the Horizontal Gaze Nystagmus Test? There has to be a common denominator here. Also, What happens if you refuse a field sobriety test and you’re not impaired? Proven by blood test? From that article: Admitting he was intimidated and afraid of losing his license, the body camera footage shows him readily agreeing to a field sobriety test. According to the arrest affidavit, Gray had crossed the center line. A deputy wrote that Gray’s eyes were red and was slow to respond to questions. The affidavit reads that he showed signs of impairment in all the field sobriety tests. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: Today 9:16:21 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 797hp: If you were sober the breathalyzer would reflect that Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 797hp: Originally Posted By Jeff_1: This is something that has always terrified me. I don’t drink but I couldn’t pass a field sobriety test to save my life. If I even got charged it would really screw me up with my job. If you were sober the breathalyzer would reflect that Back in the eighties, my buddy skidded off the road in the snow. We were pushing his car out of the snowbank when a cop came by. The driver hadn’t been drinking but two of us had so the cop definitely smelled alcohol. He made my buddy do a field sobriety test on the side of the road, in the dark, on black ice. After that he made my buddy do a breathalyzers. He blew 0.0 That wasn’t good enough and he had to do it all over again when a second cop stopped to help and used a different breathalyzer. |
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OK, USA
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Posted: Today 9:16:27 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NCPatrolAR: which test couldnt you pass and why? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NCPatrolAR: Originally Posted By Jeff_1: This is something that has always terrified me. I don’t drink but I couldn’t pass a field sobriety test to save my life. If I even got charged it would really screw me up with my job. which test couldnt you pass and why? Balance, 1 foot, walking heal to toe. Anything that would make me tilt my head back possibly without showing a balance issue. From a brain injury in 2015 has caused balance issues and another injury in 2010 caused some issues with my leg/ ankle. |
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Posted: Today 9:17:24 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PacNW5: The real question is if qualified immunity should be a thing Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PacNW5: Originally Posted By JBecker_72: What's wild to me is how many in LE don't even care about that. The ends justify the means. Just an arrest would have serious implications for me and my clearance. The real question is if qualified immunity should be a thing While that's a question I'll agree with in general, it would have little impact here. Remember probable cause isn't that high of a bar to meet. As long as the officer documents his observations truthfully, it's how the system is build. 
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OK, USA
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Posted: Today 9:20:20 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 797hp: If you were sober the breathalyzer would reflect that It would, I see people still arrested for drug use after passing everything. I don’t do drugs, I don’t drink, I don’t smoke weed, I don’t take any medications. But I might look or act intoxicated at times. Especially if I ate a bunch of ice cream or something. |
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Posted: Today 9:20:55 AM EST
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several times local cops have sniffed at me while looking at my license and said "I think I smell a beer on your breath, Mr Scruff. I tell them No, not unless your nose goes back to 1981, you don't. Then I request a breathalyzer test. It must be a local tactic, it's never happened on road trips.
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TX, USA
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Posted: Today 9:21:30 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pogo55: For stats purposes, DWI arrests, not convictions are what counts. For Overtime purposes, good cases that the arresting officer will be able to go to court on, are what counts. Having them blow zero, ringing up someone that the ADA will look at the case laugh, and dismiss/NP/however your jurisdiction calls it, is not the way forward. And in all of that time interviewing, arresting, driving to the station, processing, report writing...DUI Investigator Friendly could have found on that shift, an actual drunk (or three) that would make it to court. Look at your county's highest paid employees. Often, they're DUI guys. Because they're in court: All. The. Time. Testifying and related trial prep/conference time is not on their normal shift, and consequently overtime is over the moon. >99.5% accuracy doesn't sound that bad, tbh. Though obviously it sucks for Jane Doe who didn't do anything wrong. Do we want drunks off the road or not? Candy Lightner's subsequent disavowal of MADD notwithstanding. |
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OK, USA
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Posted: Today 9:22:41 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alaskanforfreedom: Maybe the reverse alphabet test I'd have to think about it alot and pause alot. For me. Anyways. Yeah fuck all that lol. I’m not taking a field sobriety test period. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: Today 9:23:06 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alaskanforfreedom: Maybe the reverse alphabet test I'd have to think about it alot and pause alot. For me. Anyways. That's not a thing |
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Posted: Today 9:23:21 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 797hp: If you were sober the breathalyzer would reflect that  ‘Dude, I Blew Zero!’: College Athlete Sues Iowa Cops for DUI Arrest |
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TN, USA
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Posted: Today 9:23:51 AM EST
[Last Edit: Gray]
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I wonder how much pressure is being applied to THP officers for DUI stats which could result in too many bad or unjustified arrests. You would like to think that officers would exercise good discretion in making arrests, but it seems like the law enforcement community in general is plagued with a lot more problems today than in years past. This is a very poor reflection of the THP as well as the state of TN.
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NE, USA
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Posted: Today 9:24:52 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 797hp: If you were sober the breathalyzer would reflect that you really don't pay attention to how this works do you? 
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Posted: Today 9:26:09 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NCPatrolAR: which test couldnt you pass and why? Counting my ABC’s backwards lol |
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USA
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Posted: Today 9:27:11 AM EST
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DUI is big business. It's about $ and nice annual evals for flatfeet.
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TX, USA
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Posted: Today 9:27:15 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless: I represented a legal alien who was arrested for driving under the influence of drugs after a "drug recognition expert" claimed he "showed signs of being under the influence of drugs." He had to renew his student visa and was given a hard time over his DWI arrest. The test results came back negative eventually. He also had his car towed and he had to pay for that. I tried to talk him into suing but he refused. Tow fees, impound fees, bondsman fees, court mandated counseling, piss testing, fees for monitoring, etc... Law enforcement is a very profitable endeavor for many people in our society. Law enforcement and the criminal justice system are necessary governmental functions, but consider there are a lot of politically connected rice bowls attached which affect their practical application. Without even discussing the giant fist on the political scale that are public employee unions. |
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USA
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Posted: Today 9:28:39 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jeff_1: This is something that has always terrified me. I don’t drink but I couldn’t pass a field sobriety test to save my life. If I even got charged it would really screw me up with my job. You don’t have to submit to FSTs. |
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Posted: Today 9:29:31 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Glocked: Knee jerk laws lobbied for by groups full of middle aged women causing innocent people to lose their freedom and livelihood. I’m shocked, absolutely shocked I tell you It's not just middle aged white women, there are plenty of male Karens right on this very board. "You rank a beer in the woods?? Thta's illegal! Park rangers are gonna swarm you with ARs!!!  "
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MI, USA
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Posted: Today 9:30:34 AM EST
[Last Edit: jm0502]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 797hp: If you were sober the breathalyzer would reflect that Edit: beat. ‘Dude, I Blew Zero!’: College Athlete Sues Iowa Cops for DUI Arrest |
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Posted: Today 9:30:40 AM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NCPatrolAR: which test couldnt you pass and why? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NCPatrolAR: Originally Posted By Jeff_1: This is something that has always terrified me. I don’t drink but I couldn’t pass a field sobriety test to save my life. If I even got charged it would really screw me up with my job. which test couldnt you pass and why? I can’t balance worth shit these days and I have a slight nystagmus in my right eye for some reason. |
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Posted: Today 9:33:50 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PacNW5: The real question is if qualified immunity should be a thing Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PacNW5: Originally Posted By JBecker_72: What's wild to me is how many in LE don't even care about that. The ends justify the means. Just an arrest would have serious implications for me and my clearance. The real question is if qualified immunity should be a thing There's a push for broader police indemnification from the federal level, but I'm not sure how that would effect things at the state and local level. They get away with enough as it is now, imo. |
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Posted: Today 9:33:58 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 797hp: If you were sober the breathalyzer would reflect that Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 797hp: Originally Posted By Jeff_1: This is something that has always terrified me. I don’t drink but I couldn’t pass a field sobriety test to save my life. If I even got charged it would really screw me up with my job. If you were sober the breathalyzer would reflect that Wrong The PBT is a small tool kept in a pelican type container which is in a patrol car, rear cargo area of mine to be specific. It remains in the vehicle all year round and can provide a false reading. Now the intoxilyzer machine, is a different instrument, which is usually stored at a facility in a climate controlled environment. Now what's challenged a lot in court for suppressing evidence collection is how the instrument is stored, maintained, and calibrated. IF there is any deviation throughout the log sheet, evidence can be suppressed. To your comment, the PBT can give false readings. However, the intoxilyzer is a more accurate tool. 100%, no. |
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Posted: Today 9:34:43 AM EST
[Last Edit: runcible]
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 797hp: If you were sober the breathalyzer would reflect that Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 797hp: Originally Posted By Jeff_1: This is something that has always terrified me. I don’t drink but I couldn’t pass a field sobriety test to save my life. If I even got charged it would really screw me up with my job. |
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Posted: Today 9:38:18 AM EST
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Originally Posted By PacNW5: It’s amazing to me what people will tolerate from their local law enforcement. https://www.wsmv.com/2024/11/04/wsmv4-investigates-uncovers-more-than-600-cases-sober-drivers-arrested-dui-tennessee/ WSMV4 Investigates’ reporting found a backlog of alcohol and toxicology tests at the TBI means innocent drivers are losing their jobs and insurance while they wait to clear their names. The TBI data shows the arrest of sober drivers happened one or less than one percent of the time in that time frame. The vast majority of DUI arrests resulted in either alcohol or drugs found in the driver’s system. But because there are so many DUI arrests, an average of 15,000 a year, that one percent has resulted in hundreds of arrests of sober drivers.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7dWEL0Puq4Bro, they are (on average) 99.4% correct on their arrests. Are you complaining about the 600 people over 8 years that were found to be not under the influence being arrested? In ANY industry, getting your job right 99.4% of the time is fucking fantastic. In law enforcement, that's spectacular. I'm just struggling to see the outrage here. You were arrested, found innocent, no conviction means no loss of job/income/insurance. Is the act of the arrest and the time lost the problem? I mean, that does suck but again...only 00.6% of people are falling into that category...that's not egregious. |
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Posted: Today 9:38:29 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 797hp: If you were sober the breathalyzer would reflect that Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 797hp: Originally Posted By Jeff_1: This is something that has always terrified me. I don’t drink but I couldn’t pass a field sobriety test to save my life. If I even got charged it would really screw me up with my job. If you were sober the breathalyzer would reflect that And you still can get arrested. https://reason.com/2024/02/14/iowa-cops-arrested-a-sober-college-student-for-driving-intoxicated-his-lawsuit-is-moving-forward/ |
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