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Posted: Today 9:39:42 AM EST
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A lot of street drugs and prescription meds can make a motorist appear impaired. These people said something or acted in a certain manner to be placed in custody. |
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Posted: Today 9:41:15 AM EST
[Last Edit: wildearp]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NCPatrolAR: which test couldnt you pass and why? But you already know that, right? I don't have stats, but I would bet that texting drivers are a bigger threat to safety than DUIs. Legal maryjane may have skewed that data now. |
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Posted: Today 9:44:55 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 797hp: If you were sober the breathalyzer would reflect that Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 797hp: Originally Posted By Jeff_1: This is something that has always terrified me. I don’t drink but I couldn’t pass a field sobriety test to save my life. If I even got charged it would really screw me up with my job. If you were sober the breathalyzer would reflect that My experience with daily use of a breathalyzer for several years is that false positives definitely happen. I wouldn't be surprised if the device I was using was also better and more frequently calibrated than most departments have on hand. I'd say I averaged ~5 false positives a year. (I did this on my own free will, not some legal thing) |
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USA
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Posted: Today 9:45:06 AM EST
[Last Edit: Shoresy]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dyezak: I'm just struggling to see the outrage here. You were arrested, found innocent, no conviction means no loss of job/income/insurance. Is the act of the arrest and the time lost the problem? I mean, that does suck but again...only 00.6% of people are falling into that category...that's not egregious. I'm pretty sure you'd be outraged if you were one of the 600. Saying it's no big deal that you had to go through an arrest, bonding out, hiring an attorney, explaining to your family, friends, and boss/ co-worker, and being out of pocket a few grand is 
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Posted: Today 9:45:59 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NCPatrolAR: which test couldnt you pass and why? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NCPatrolAR: Originally Posted By Jeff_1: This is something that has always terrified me. I don’t drink but I couldn’t pass a field sobriety test to save my life. If I even got charged it would really screw me up with my job. which test couldnt you pass and why? My response to his concerns is, then don't do SFST's: EVER. Don't do HGN either, EVER. There is not a State that requires someone to do SFST's or HGN as a condition of your driving privileges. Every State requires you give breath, and or blood and or urine. However (comma) the Cop still needs PC for a stop, and reasonable suspicion to draw breath or fluids. Jay |
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USA
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Posted: Today 9:47:04 AM EST
[Last Edit: lowcountrydirtrider]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shoresy: I'm pretty sure you'd be outraged if you were one of the 600. Saying it's no big deal that you had to go through an arrest, bonding out, hiring an attorney, explaining to your family, friends, and boss/ co-worker, and being out of pocket a few grand is Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shoresy: Originally Posted By dyezak: I'm just struggling to see the outrage here. You were arrested, found innocent, no conviction means no loss of job/income/insurance. Is the act of the arrest and the time lost the problem? I mean, that does suck but again...only 00.6% of people are falling into that category...that's not egregious. I'm pretty sure you'd be outraged if you were one of the 600. Saying it's no big deal that you had to go through an arrest, bonding out, hiring an attorney, explaining to your family, friends, and boss/ co-worker, and being out of pocket a few grand is They weren’t arrested for no reason. They showed signs of impairment, for whatever reason (there is your PC), and were lawfully arrested. |
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Posted: Today 9:47:43 AM EST
[Last Edit: lil_Sig]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Triplelocked: And you still can get arrested. https://reason.com/2024/02/14/iowa-cops-arrested-a-sober-college-student-for-driving-intoxicated-his-lawsuit-is-moving-forward/ I hope he hits that shit department so hard that they never pull that shit again! |
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MI, USA
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Posted: Today 9:48:12 AM EST
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Yet many here literally demand summary execution for "drunk" drivers.
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USA
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Posted: Today 9:48:14 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZCOP: Why are you asking what test he could not pass? My response to his concerns is, then don't do SFST's: EVER. Don't do HGN either, EVER. There is not a State that requires someone to do SFST's or HGN as a condition of your driving privileges. Every State requires you give breath, and or blood and or urine. However (comma) the Cop still needs PC for a stop, and reasonable suspicion to draw breath or fluids. Jay Yep. |
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Posted: Today 9:48:34 AM EST
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Government employees who implement the law should have "skin in the game"
write an unconstitutional law or vote for one.go to jail and pay a fine.when it is ruled on. Violate civil rights same thing. Act incompetently in your professional capacity same. No immunity. Think of it like Errors and ommissions insurance coverage. |
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OK, USA
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Posted: Today 9:50:39 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dyezak: Bro, they are (on average) 99.4% correct on their arrests. Are you complaining about the 600 people over 8 years that were found to be not under the influence being arrested? In ANY industry, getting your job right 99.4% of the time is fucking fantastic. In law enforcement, that's spectacular. I'm just struggling to see the outrage here. You were arrested, found innocent, no conviction means no loss of job/income/insurance. Is the act of the arrest and the time lost the problem? I mean, that does suck but again...only 00.6% of people are falling into that category...that's not egregious. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dyezak: Originally Posted By PacNW5: It’s amazing to me what people will tolerate from their local law enforcement. https://www.wsmv.com/2024/11/04/wsmv4-investigates-uncovers-more-than-600-cases-sober-drivers-arrested-dui-tennessee/ WSMV4 Investigates’ reporting found a backlog of alcohol and toxicology tests at the TBI means innocent drivers are losing their jobs and insurance while they wait to clear their names. The TBI data shows the arrest of sober drivers happened one or less than one percent of the time in that time frame. The vast majority of DUI arrests resulted in either alcohol or drugs found in the driver’s system. But because there are so many DUI arrests, an average of 15,000 a year, that one percent has resulted in hundreds of arrests of sober drivers.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7dWEL0Puq4Bro, they are (on average) 99.4% correct on their arrests. Are you complaining about the 600 people over 8 years that were found to be not under the influence being arrested? In ANY industry, getting your job right 99.4% of the time is fucking fantastic. In law enforcement, that's spectacular. I'm just struggling to see the outrage here. You were arrested, found innocent, no conviction means no loss of job/income/insurance. Is the act of the arrest and the time lost the problem? I mean, that does suck but again...only 00.6% of people are falling into that category...that's not egregious. I can’t go to work with a dui charge and I would not be paid. I do t know how many months it would take to get it dropped and finished with court. It would be devastating and there would be no guarantee I would still have a job when it’s all said and done. Do better. |
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Posted: Today 9:51:06 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jeff_1:Yeah fuck all that lol. I’m not taking a field sobriety test period. Finally, an intelligent response Jay |
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USA
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Posted: Today 9:51:09 AM EST
[Last Edit: Shoresy]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lowcountrydirtrider: They weren’t arrested for no reason. They showed signs of impairment, for whatever reason (there is your PC), and were lawfully arrested. That doesn't change a single piece of what I said, and it does not absolve the cops involved. |
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Posted: Today 9:51:31 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alaskanforfreedom: Maybe the reverse alphabet test I'd have to think about it alot and pause alot. For me. Anyways. Don't get pulled over in a movie or TV show and you won't have a problem. That's not part of any legitimate DUI investigation test. |
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USA
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Posted: Today 9:51:32 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jeff_1: I can’t go to work with a dui charge and I would not be paid. I do t know how many months it would take to get it dropped and finished with court. It would be devastating and there would be no guarantee I would still have a job when it’s all said and done. Do better. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jeff_1: Originally Posted By dyezak: Originally Posted By PacNW5: It’s amazing to me what people will tolerate from their local law enforcement. https://www.wsmv.com/2024/11/04/wsmv4-investigates-uncovers-more-than-600-cases-sober-drivers-arrested-dui-tennessee/ WSMV4 Investigates’ reporting found a backlog of alcohol and toxicology tests at the TBI means innocent drivers are losing their jobs and insurance while they wait to clear their names. The TBI data shows the arrest of sober drivers happened one or less than one percent of the time in that time frame. The vast majority of DUI arrests resulted in either alcohol or drugs found in the driver’s system. But because there are so many DUI arrests, an average of 15,000 a year, that one percent has resulted in hundreds of arrests of sober drivers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7dWEL0Puq4Bro, they are (on average) 99.4% correct on their arrests. Are you complaining about the 600 people over 8 years that were found to be not under the influence being arrested? In ANY industry, getting your job right 99.4% of the time is fucking fantastic. In law enforcement, that's spectacular. I'm just struggling to see the outrage here. You were arrested, found innocent, no conviction means no loss of job/income/insurance. Is the act of the arrest and the time lost the problem? I mean, that does suck but again...only 00.6% of people are falling into that category...that's not egregious. I can’t go to work with a dui charge and I would not be paid. I do t know how many months it would take to get it dropped and finished with court. It would be devastating and there would be no guarantee I would still have a job when it’s all said and done. Do better. Don’t give LE any PC… |
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Posted: Today 9:52:10 AM EST
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We've had several local officers flat out make shit up out of thin air and arrest sober people for DUI's. One resulted in a class action lawsuit, not sure about the other but most were poor who couldn't afford high priced attorneys. Until their employers go after their POST certification for being shitbags my trust of the system will continue to be low since most of these officers get fired only when the local news runs a story then they move to another department.
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OK, USA
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Posted: Today 9:53:45 AM EST
[Last Edit: Jeff_1]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZCOP: Why are you asking what test he could not pass? My response to his concerns is, then don't do SFST's: EVER. Don't do HGN either, EVER. There is not a State that requires someone to do SFST's or HGN as a condition of your driving privileges. Every State requires you give breath, and or blood and or urine. However (comma) the Cop still needs PC for a stop, and reasonable suspicion to draw breath or fluids. Jay Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZCOP: Originally Posted By NCPatrolAR: Originally Posted By Jeff_1: This is something that has always terrified me. I don’t drink but I couldn’t pass a field sobriety test to save my life. If I even got charged it would really screw me up with my job. which test couldnt you pass and why? My response to his concerns is, then don't do SFST's: EVER. Don't do HGN either, EVER. There is not a State that requires someone to do SFST's or HGN as a condition of your driving privileges. Every State requires you give breath, and or blood and or urine. However (comma) the Cop still needs PC for a stop, and reasonable suspicion to draw breath or fluids. Jay Nice to know this and I’m fine with breath blood and urine. |
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Posted: Today 9:54:05 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dyezak: Bro, they are (on average) 99.4% correct on their arrests. Are you complaining about the 600 people over 8 years that were found to be not under the influence being arrested? In ANY industry, getting your job right 99.4% of the time is fucking fantastic. In law enforcement, that's spectacular. I'm just struggling to see the outrage here. You were arrested, found innocent, no conviction means no loss of job/income/insurance. Is the act of the arrest and the time lost the problem? I mean, that does suck but again...only 00.6% of people are falling into that category...that's not egregious. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dyezak: Originally Posted By PacNW5: It’s amazing to me what people will tolerate from their local law enforcement. https://www.wsmv.com/2024/11/04/wsmv4-investigates-uncovers-more-than-600-cases-sober-drivers-arrested-dui-tennessee/ WSMV4 Investigates’ reporting found a backlog of alcohol and toxicology tests at the TBI means innocent drivers are losing their jobs and insurance while they wait to clear their names. The TBI data shows the arrest of sober drivers happened one or less than one percent of the time in that time frame. The vast majority of DUI arrests resulted in either alcohol or drugs found in the driver’s system. But because there are so many DUI arrests, an average of 15,000 a year, that one percent has resulted in hundreds of arrests of sober drivers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7dWEL0Puq4Bro, they are (on average) 99.4% correct on their arrests. Are you complaining about the 600 people over 8 years that were found to be not under the influence being arrested? In ANY industry, getting your job right 99.4% of the time is fucking fantastic. In law enforcement, that's spectacular. I'm just struggling to see the outrage here. You were arrested, found innocent, no conviction means no loss of job/income/insurance. Is the act of the arrest and the time lost the problem? I mean, that does suck but again...only 00.6% of people are falling into that category...that's not egregious.  |
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Posted: Today 9:54:35 AM EST
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The TBI data shows the arrest of sober drivers happened one or less than one percent of the time in that time frame. The vast majority of DUI arrests resulted in either alcohol or drugs found in the driver’s system. Just because you have 0.08 BAC does not mean that you are intoxicated. Very few people would be actually intoxicated at that level. https://www.medlinfirm.com/blog/texas-dwi-defense-0-08-doesnt-always-mean-guilty/ EVALUATION OF THE TEXAS 0.08 BAC LAW (It failed) |
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OK, USA
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Posted: Today 9:55:55 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lowcountrydirtrider: Don’t give LE any PC… Lol not giving PC is PC these days. |
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Posted: Today 9:56:21 AM EST
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I have been on 2 DWI juries. The first one it was a not guilty decision after 1 hour deliberations. The cop lied and was caught by his dash cam. The second one was guilty with life in prison with no parole, after 10 minutes deliberations. Both cases took 2 years to come to trial.
The second guy had 5 prior DWI convictions involving 3 at fault multiple vehicle accidents where probation was the penalty. He also had 3 separate felony conviction, assault, burglary, and a NFA destructive device conviction where he got 25 years; but he was out on probation when he decided to drive with .237 blood alcohol, hit and run, rear ending another vehicle at 60 mph, exiting the highway, crashing into a building, and then fleeing with a destroyed left front end. He left that accident with no front tire, drove for approximately 1 mile before attempting to hide his car by plowing into a bamboo patch in an apartment parking lot. The cops tied it all together because his license plate was stuck in the rear end of the first car he hit. After that they followed the gouge marks in the road to his hiding spot. We decided at 70 years old he was a slow learner and if the Feds didn’t revoke his probation, TDC was a good retirement facility for him. |
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Posted: Today 9:56:47 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lil_Sig: I hope he hits that shit department so hard that they never pull that shit again! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lil_Sig: Originally Posted By Triplelocked: And you still can get arrested. https://reason.com/2024/02/14/iowa-cops-arrested-a-sober-college-student-for-driving-intoxicated-his-lawsuit-is-moving-forward/ I hope he hits that shit department so hard that they never pull that shit again! The arrest happened in 2022 and I think that kids suit is still open. And the officer counter-sued the kid citing defamation and during that suit, I know this is going to shock many of you, it was revealed that cop is a wife beater. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: Today 9:58:44 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bikedamon: It's not just middle aged white women, there are plenty of male Karens right on this very board. "You rank a beer in the woods?? Thta's illegal! Park rangers are gonna swarm you with ARs!!!  "Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bikedamon: Originally Posted By Glocked: Knee jerk laws lobbied for by groups full of middle aged women causing innocent people to lose their freedom and livelihood. I’m shocked, absolutely shocked I tell you It's not just middle aged white women, there are plenty of male Karens right on this very board. "You rank a beer in the woods?? Thta's illegal! Park rangers are gonna swarm you with ARs!!! "The thread with the German shooting club with the bar, was hilarious to read. Many, many years ago. Would not be surprised to see "Dart score positive correlation with BAC" "Ballmer peak" effects with shooting. Though I'm not going to drink and then go shoot, ofc. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: Today 9:59:27 AM EST
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1st, don’t drink/drug and drive. Zero, nada, nothing.
Record everything. Know your state and federal laws regarding traffic stops. Be polite, professional and courteous at all times. Roll down window just enough to hear them speak. Provide ID if requested as required by law when operating a motor vehicle. Say “I don’t answer questions” every time they ask a question until they stop asking. If they ask you to exit the vehicle, ask them to say they will arrest you if you don’t exit the vehicle. If they tell you, you have to answer questions, ask them to say they will arrest you if you don’t answer questions. They will try and talk you into giving up your rights, don’t. They are not there to help you, they are adversaries. They generally never lose, but you can keep them from winning. Get them to violate your rights so that you can strip them of their qualified immunity in the resulting law suit. |
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Posted: Today 9:59:49 AM EST
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Posted: Today 9:59:51 AM EST
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How bout that time the cops scraped bird poop off a guys hood and said it tested positive for cocaine
 'Cocaine' in Georgia Southern QB's traffic stop turns out to be bird poop |
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TX, USA
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Posted: Today 10:03:12 AM EST
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Refuse to take the sobriety test.
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Posted: Today 10:03:24 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dyezak: Bro, they are (on average) 99.4% correct on their arrests. Are you complaining about the 600 people over 8 years that were found to be not under the influence being arrested? In ANY industry, getting your job right 99.4% of the time is fucking fantastic. In law enforcement, that's spectacular. I'm just struggling to see the outrage here. You were arrested, found innocent, no conviction means no loss of job/income/insurance. Is the act of the arrest and the time lost the problem? I mean, that does suck but again...only 00.6% of people are falling into that category...that's not egregious. Who pays their tow bill, their lawyer fee, and other related expenses? |
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Posted: Today 10:03:47 AM EST
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Prosecutors love to bankrupt people. That way, easier to get a conviction.
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Posted: Today 10:04:14 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lowcountrydirtrider: A lot of street drugs and prescription meds can make a motorist appear impaired. These people said something or acted in a certain manner to be placed in custody. Lol, right. |
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USA
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Posted: Today 10:05:06 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Who pays their tow bill, their lawyer fee, and other related expenses? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By dyezak: Bro, they are (on average) 99.4% correct on their arrests. Are you complaining about the 600 people over 8 years that were found to be not under the influence being arrested? In ANY industry, getting your job right 99.4% of the time is fucking fantastic. In law enforcement, that's spectacular. I'm just struggling to see the outrage here. You were arrested, found innocent, no conviction means no loss of job/income/insurance. Is the act of the arrest and the time lost the problem? I mean, that does suck but again...only 00.6% of people are falling into that category...that's not egregious. Who pays their tow bill, their lawyer fee, and other related expenses? That’s the price to pay for handing LE PC on a silver platter. |
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Posted: Today 10:05:44 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lowcountrydirtrider: A lot of street drugs and prescription meds can make a motorist appear impaired. These people said something or acted in a certain manner to be placed in custody. Happened to my ex GF’s mom in DC several years ago. We split before I got to hear the outcome of that one. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: Today 10:08:22 AM EST
[Last Edit: Wineraner]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Palm: I have been on 2 DWI juries. The first one it was a not guilty decision after 1 hour deliberations. The cop lied and was caught by his dash cam. The second one was guilty with life in prison with no parole, after 10 minutes deliberations. Both cases took 2 years to come to trial. The second guy had 5 prior DWI convictions involving 3 at fault multiple vehicle accidents where probation was the penalty. He also had 3 separate felony conviction, assault, burglary, and a NFA destructive device conviction where he got 25 years; but he was out on probation when he decided to drive with .237 blood alcohol, hit and run, rear ending another vehicle at 60 mph, exiting the highway, crashing into a building, and then fleeing with a destroyed left front end. He left that accident with no front tire, drove for approximately 1 mile before attempting to hide his car by plowing into a bamboo patch in an apartment parking lot. The cops tied it all together because his license plate was stuck in the rear end of the first car he hit. After that they followed the gouge marks in the road to his hiding spot. We decided at 70 years old he was a slow learner and if the Feds didn’t revoke his probation, TDC was a good retirement facility for him. On 1, I've no doubt that's what you all in the jury pool saw and thought. I'm curious about what got excluded that you didn't see. Why I'm saying that is, despite my personal experience (I went to school with many of them, and maintain contact with some on all sides of the CJ Bar) that many/most ADA's are sociopaths, they usually aren't dumb, and they do like winning. If you can see that the officer is lying on video, so can they. They're usually not going to introduce a baldly lying witness. It's bad for their conviction record. So what else must have happened? Good on you guys for refusing to convict when you had reasonable doubts. That's why you're there. On the 2nd, I'm wondering how you got to hear so much in the trial phase about the accused's prior felonies. It's been forever since Evidence and the Bar Exam, and I don't practice criminal litigation anyway, but I'd idly thought that a lot of the accused's prior criminal history was inadmissible. Shrug. Also good on you guys for sending that career drunk asshole off to prison. |
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Posted: Today 10:11:32 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FunYun1983: All those people blew zero and still got arrested. The arresting cops should be fired and then charged with false arrest. |
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Posted: Today 10:12:41 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jeff_1: Lol not giving PC is PC these days. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jeff_1: Originally Posted By lowcountrydirtrider: Don’t give LE any PC… Lol not giving PC is PC these days. No shit, I had a state trooper on my ass tailing me because I was the only one doing the speed limit. I was 16 at the time and as a newly minted driver, trying to do the right thing. |
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Posted: Today 10:12:55 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PacNW5: The real question is if qualified immunity should be a thing No it should not be. A jury of peers should decide all. If a cop has caused undue harm, they should be charged. |
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Posted: Today 10:13:35 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 797hp: If you were sober the breathalyzer would reflect that I have a coworker who blew a 0.0, and his blood test came back clean. The cop still jammed him up for DUI. The judge eventually tossed the case and the cop was fired. It took almost 6 months in court, and cost him north of $50k. The city is dragging out the settlement case. |
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Posted: Today 10:14:01 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lowcountrydirtrider: Don’t give LE any PC… Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lowcountrydirtrider: Originally Posted By Jeff_1: Originally Posted By dyezak: Originally Posted By PacNW5: It’s amazing to me what people will tolerate from their local law enforcement. https://www.wsmv.com/2024/11/04/wsmv4-investigates-uncovers-more-than-600-cases-sober-drivers-arrested-dui-tennessee/ WSMV4 Investigates’ reporting found a backlog of alcohol and toxicology tests at the TBI means innocent drivers are losing their jobs and insurance while they wait to clear their names. The TBI data shows the arrest of sober drivers happened one or less than one percent of the time in that time frame. The vast majority of DUI arrests resulted in either alcohol or drugs found in the driver’s system. But because there are so many DUI arrests, an average of 15,000 a year, that one percent has resulted in hundreds of arrests of sober drivers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7dWEL0Puq4Bro, they are (on average) 99.4% correct on their arrests. Are you complaining about the 600 people over 8 years that were found to be not under the influence being arrested? In ANY industry, getting your job right 99.4% of the time is fucking fantastic. In law enforcement, that's spectacular. I'm just struggling to see the outrage here. You were arrested, found innocent, no conviction means no loss of job/income/insurance. Is the act of the arrest and the time lost the problem? I mean, that does suck but again...only 00.6% of people are falling into that category...that's not egregious. I can’t go to work with a dui charge and I would not be paid. I do t know how many months it would take to get it dropped and finished with court. It would be devastating and there would be no guarantee I would still have a job when it’s all said and done. Do better. Don’t give LE any PC… Exactly. Don't participate in stupid human tricks, don't admit to even a single drink, don't say anything more than is legally required (which is nothing). |
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Posted: Today 10:14:11 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Glocked: Knee jerk laws lobbied for by groups full of middle aged women causing innocent people to lose their freedom and livelihood. I’m shocked, absolutely shocked I tell you Your 1000% correct. For a while in AO the local chapter of MADD were absolutely bullying local LE leaders into overly aggressive DUI enforcement. Finally it took a new sheriff to stand up to them. Middle aged women busybodies are a scourge on society. |
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Posted: Today 10:14:13 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shoresy: I'm pretty sure you'd be outraged if you were one of the 600. Saying it's no big deal that you had to go through an arrest, bonding out, hiring an attorney, explaining to your family, friends, and boss/ co-worker, and being out of pocket a few grand is I've been there twice. Sorry to break it to you. 2003 arrested for PI (Fredrick MD) and 2008, arrested for DUI (Dallas TX). Neither time did I have a lick of anything in my system. Was I outraged in the moment? YEP! But here's a shocker, I was never out any money or anything other than my time (which sucked). In 2003 they "smelled alcohol on me" after my friend certainly did spill his drink on me. I went to the station, blew in their calibrated machine thing, registered 0.00% and they let me go about my business. In 2008 I was driving tired, fell asleep, the officer thought I was on something. I blew 0.00%, did a blood draw, it came back negative, and I went off about my business. These things aren't impactful to your lives. It's about the same amount of aggravation as getting in a wreck that isn't your fault. |
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IL, USA
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Posted: Today 10:15:11 AM EST
[Last Edit: makintrax73]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZCOP: Why are you asking what test he could not pass? My response to his concerns is, then don't do SFST's: EVER. Don't do HGN either, EVER. There is not a State that requires someone to do SFST's or HGN as a condition of your driving privileges. Every State requires you give breath, and or blood and or urine. However (comma) the Cop still needs PC for a stop, and reasonable suspicion to draw breath or fluids. Jay This. Why would you participate in an activity which is not a condition of your driving privileges the only purpose of which is provide PC for an arrest. The "never talk to the police" people go overboard, but once it's clear you are being investigated for a crime it isn't your job to help them. ETA: Basing this on the presumption that pretty much once they ask you for the test the decision has already been made to arrest. |
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Posted: Today 10:15:17 AM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jeff_1: I can’t go to work with a dui charge and I would not be paid. I do t know how many months it would take to get it dropped and finished with court. It would be devastating and there would be no guarantee I would still have a job when it’s all said and done. Do better. This is dumb and that's not how it works. You get a charge when you have something found in your system. See the above reply of the two times it has happened to me. |
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Posted: Today 10:15:57 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Caboose314: My experience with daily use of a breathalyzer for several years is that false positives definitely happen. I wouldn't be surprised if the device I was using was also better and more frequently calibrated than most departments have on hand. I'd say I averaged ~5 false positives a year. (I did this on my own free will, not some legal thing) Are you talking about hand held breathalyzers or Intox 8000/9000 type equipment? Handhelds are junk: Period. Even after i calibrate them, i don't trust them. They are also not admissible in court. CMI Intox 8000/9000 are solid instruments. Jay |
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Posted: Today 10:19:56 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 556therapy: Your 1000% correct. For a while in AO the local chapter of MADD were absolutely bullying local LE leaders into overly aggressive DUI enforcement. Finally it took a new sheriff to stand up to them. Middle aged women busybodies are a scourge on society. Does that new sheriff still take DUI enforcement grants? |
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Posted: Today 10:20:06 AM EST
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Sorta related.
I just got a fine in the mail for $200 in extortion format telling me to pay or lose my license for 90 days for not having insurance. The paper had a link to pay and I had to scour over the site many times to find the small almost hidden link to show proof of insurance. I have NEVER not had insurance. My policy changed and the state apparently did not update their system. I wondered how many just pay out of fear? |
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Posted: Today 10:20:21 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jeff_1: Nice to know this and I’m fine with breath blood and urine. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jeff_1: Originally Posted By AZCOP: Originally Posted By NCPatrolAR: Originally Posted By Jeff_1: This is something that has always terrified me. I don’t drink but I couldn’t pass a field sobriety test to save my life. If I even got charged it would really screw me up with my job. which test couldnt you pass and why? My response to his concerns is, then don't do SFST's: EVER. Don't do HGN either, EVER. There is not a State that requires someone to do SFST's or HGN as a condition of your driving privileges. Every State requires you give breath, and or blood and or urine. However (comma) the Cop still needs PC for a stop, and reasonable suspicion to draw breath or fluids. Jay Nice to know this and I’m fine with breath blood and urine. |
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Posted: Today 10:23:02 AM EST
[Last Edit: Glocked]
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bikedamon: It's not just middle aged white women, there are plenty of male Karens right on this very board. "You rank a beer in the woods?? Thta's illegal! Park rangers are gonna swarm you with ARs!!! "Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bikedamon: Originally Posted By Glocked: Knee jerk laws lobbied for by groups full of middle aged women causing innocent people to lose their freedom and livelihood. I’m shocked, absolutely shocked I tell you It's not just middle aged white women, there are plenty of male Karens right on this very board. "You rank a beer in the woods?? Thta's illegal! Park rangers are gonna swarm you with ARs!!! "I agree. But they likely weren’t leading the charge to get those laws passed. Or putting crashed vehicles in the middle of the median along highways. Progressive middle age women have been leading the charge against alcohol related stuff since even before their WCTU days. All the while popping their mind altering drugs picked up from the pharmacy. |
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Posted: Today 10:24:48 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PacNW5: The real question is if qualified immunity should be a thing Yes, but it should be actually qualified and not de facto treated as absolute immunity. |
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Posted: Today 10:26:30 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dyezak: This is dumb and that's not how it works. You get a charge when you have something found in your system. See the above reply of the two times it has happened to me. Okay |
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Posted: Today 10:27:12 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dyezak: Bro, they are (on average) 99.4% correct on their arrests. Are you complaining about the 600 people over 8 years that were found to be not under the influence being arrested? In ANY industry, getting your job right 99.4% of the time is fucking fantastic. In law enforcement, that's spectacular. I'm just struggling to see the outrage here. You were arrested, found innocent, no conviction means no loss of job/income/insurance. Is the act of the arrest and the time lost the problem? I mean, that does suck but again...only 00.6% of people are falling into that category...that's not egregious. If one innocent has lost their livelihood or rights due to this, no its not worth it. |
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