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6/9/2008 3:12:35 PM EDT
A simple question gets a bunch of panties all in a wad.

The Captain seems to be a good guy but I think some of his #'s and info may be just a little off.

http://www.bbwforums.net/showthread.php?p=97214

Link made cold, lets leave it that way
6/9/2008 3:15:13 PM EDT
[#1]


I'll agree that his heart is in the right place, but just doesn't have all the facts straight.  Every other post I've seen there is, "Why do you need that", "What are you going to hunt with that", "People with those are murderers", etc.
6/9/2008 3:27:56 PM EDT
[#2]
the one dude doesn't think that the OP should use stats that support his own arguement


The other guy doesn't want to read "worthless stats" leave it to a liberal to ignore facts when they don't favor his/her ignorant point of view.
6/9/2008 3:30:30 PM EDT
[#3]
+1
can't win an arguement with a fool
6/9/2008 3:36:48 PM EDT
[#4]
90% of all gun related crimes in the USA are due to the trafficking of illegal drugs or the abuse of such substances.
6/9/2008 3:59:39 PM EDT
[#5]
posted....


Probably should make the link cold they are likely going to trace traffic back to here.
6/9/2008 4:01:02 PM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
posted....


Probably should make the link cold they are likely going to trace traffic back to here.


Yeah that's a good idea.
6/9/2008 4:01:18 PM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:
posted....


Probably should make the link cold they are likely going to trace traffic back to here.


Done
6/9/2008 4:01:23 PM EDT
[#8]
bbwforums eh? not trying that at work nosirreebob
6/9/2008 4:02:35 PM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
bbwforums eh? not trying that at work nosirreebob


Work safe, its a basketball site.
6/9/2008 4:08:24 PM EDT
[#10]
I made a post that should manage to rial a few feathers.


Nothing too harsh but god I'm sick of the know-it-all types.
6/9/2008 4:10:24 PM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:

Quoted:
bbwforums eh? not trying that at work nosirreebob


Work safe, its a basketball site.


No hot fatties?
6/9/2008 4:14:39 PM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:
I made a post that should manage to rial a few feathers.


Nothing too harsh but god I'm sick of the know-it-all types.


Excellent write up sir!
6/9/2008 4:19:47 PM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I made a post that should manage to rial a few feathers.


Nothing too harsh but god I'm sick of the know-it-all types.


Excellent write up sir!



Yeah, really had to use the "what are you going to hunt with that" crap when there's a freaking single shot black powder upper assembly available for the AR15 now.

The question really is, "what can't you hunt with that?" given the number of chamberings available for the AR15.

I think I'm gonna leave the one reply, the ground work for a defense has been laid and others can take it up as they see fit.

If the idiot doesn't believe that you can hunt just about anything on the planet with an AR15, there's the various little rifle calibers, the custom heavy hitter calibers, and then the specialty stuff like black powder or even 50BMG.

We all know where to grab tables/data or references for penetration or even lack of penetration compared to handgun ammo.   Easy enough to absolutely rake these uneducated turds over the coals.
6/9/2008 4:49:56 PM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:
I made a post that should manage to rial a few feathers.


Nothing too harsh but god I'm sick of the know-it-all types.


Too bad the liberal fools won't see the logic. Good post for the fencesitters to read, though.
6/9/2008 6:54:25 PM EDT
[#15]

Uglygun, anybody with an opinion that could stand on its own would refrain from ad hominem attacks. If you continue in such a manner, you're going on the ignore list.



Well, Uglygun, I guess you got told. Libs are to open minded to spank, so you will get a time out mister
6/9/2008 8:27:43 PM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:

Uglygun, anybody with an opinion that could stand on its own would refrain from ad hominem attacks. If you continue in such a manner, you're going on the ignore list.



Well, Uglygun, I guess you got told. Libs are to open minded to spank, so you will get a time out mister


That leaves me to trounce his arguments, should my inner ant burner be so inclined, with little or no opposition because he won't know what I'm saying unless somebody quotes me.

He basically stuck his fingers in his ears to say "la la la, I can't hear you, la la la".   He was made to look like a moron and became uncomfortable with it so he tries to leave the conversation with what little dignity he has intact.

Maybe if he sticks his head deep enough in the sand all the world's problems will go away...
6/9/2008 8:41:19 PM EDT
[#17]
That figure of 10,000 people a year is directly related to gang violence, that is also directly related to the sale of illegal drugs and the profit to be made from them.

The guy who made that remark and used that figure needs to be aware of that.
6/9/2008 8:45:17 PM EDT
[#18]

   Trying to rationalize in front of a liberal is the same as rationalizing dog shit on the street.  

   I just hate it when these statistics are lumped into one instead of breaking it down for a more accurate picture.
6/9/2008 8:48:04 PM EDT
[#19]

Quoted:
   Trying to rationalize in front of a liberal is the same as rationalizing dog shit on the street.  

   I just hate it when these statistics are lumped into one instead of breaking it down for a more accurate picture.


Actually, the dog shit problem is much easier......
6/9/2008 8:49:28 PM EDT
[#20]
Couldn't read past the 4th or 5th post. It's the same old tired bullshit. They're never gonna get it so stop trying to make 'em. Let them live their ignorant lives in the peace they think they've got.

Fuck 'em.
6/9/2008 8:49:36 PM EDT
[#21]
Haha, thanks for coming over and helping me set those Libtards straight guys.  It gets frustrating having one or two other Conservatives against 10+ Obama-mamas.

How did you come across that thread anyway?  I'm curious.

Anyway, I've browsed this forum a bit here and there and this encouraged me to sign up.  I like this community here.

A simple intro, I'm a 15 year old kid from Detroit who loves sports and the outdoors.  I live for baseball and love playing it, and I love basketball, hockey, and football as well.

I'm very traditional conservative in my views and I liked Ron Paul's campaign up until he decided to drop out and not run third party.  I know he hasn't dropped officially yet, but..

Anyway, thanks for the backup and the thread here.  I'll post as much as I can here and would love it if some of ya would come on over to BBW to see what's brewing in the Political forum.  As you all know Obama supporters need as much shot at them as possible in order to get into their heads.

Thanks.

-Cap
6/9/2008 9:08:20 PM EDT
[#22]
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Uglygun, anybody with an opinion that could stand on its own would refrain from ad hominem attacks. If you continue in such a manner, you're going on the ignore list.



Well, Uglygun, I guess you got told. Libs are to open minded to spank, so you will get a time out misterhat
He basically stuck his fingers in his ears to say "la la la, I can't hear you, la la la".   He was made to look like a moron and became uncomfortable with it so he tries to leave the conversation with what little dignity he has intact.

Maybe if he sticks his head deep enough in the sand all the world's problems will go away...


He's a rough one to debate with.  He's like super brain child.  He's 15 and he's taking like all college courses.  Thinks he knows everything there is to know.

I want to pull my hair out sometimes when debating him.
6/10/2008 5:40:29 AM EDT
[#23]
Welcome, The GD can be rough sometimes, but the site as a whole is fantastic.
And oddly enough I googled the S&W AR and the pictue you posted was there, I clicked it and the rest is history.
6/10/2008 5:44:12 AM EDT
[#24]

Quoted:
Couldn't read past the 4th or 5th post. It's the same old tired bullshit. They're never gonna get it so stop trying to make 'em. Let them live their ignorant lives in the peace they think they've got.

Fuck 'em.


I wouldn't mind them trying to live out their fairy tale land lives, but they always screw stuff up for me.
6/10/2008 5:45:56 AM EDT
[#25]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:

Uglygun, anybody with an opinion that could stand on its own would refrain from ad hominem attacks. If you continue in such a manner, you're going on the ignore list.



Well, Uglygun, I guess you got told. Libs are to open minded to spank, so you will get a time out mister


That leaves me to trounce his arguments, should my inner ant burner be so inclined, with little or no opposition because he won't know what I'm saying unless somebody quotes me.

He basically stuck his fingers in his ears to say "la la la, I can't hear you, la la la".   He was made to look like a moron and became uncomfortable with it so he tries to leave the conversation with what little dignity he has intact.

Maybe if he sticks his head deep enough in the sand all the world's problems will go away...


He's a rough one to debate with.  He's like super brain child.  He's 15 and he's taking like all college courses.  Thinks he knows everything there is to know.

I want to pull my hair out sometimes when debating him.


In that case you have nothing to worry about because he can't vote yet.
6/10/2008 5:48:07 AM EDT
[#26]

Quoted:
Haha, thanks for coming over and helping me set those Libtards straight guys.  It gets frustrating having one or two other Conservatives against 10+ Obama-mamas.

How did you come across that thread anyway?  I'm curious.

Anyway, I've browsed this forum a bit here and there and this encouraged me to sign up.  I like this community here.

A simple intro, I'm a 15 year old kid from Detroit who loves sports and the outdoors.  I live for baseball and love playing it, and I love basketball, hockey, and football as well.

I'm very traditional conservative in my views and I liked Ron Paul's campaign up until he decided to drop out and not run third party.  I know he hasn't dropped officially yet, but..

Anyway, thanks for the backup and the thread here.  I'll post as much as I can here and would love it if some of ya would come on over to BBW to see what's brewing in the Political forum.  As you all know Obama supporters need as much shot at them as possible in order to get into their heads.

Thanks.

-Cap




Welcome aboard!
6/10/2008 6:05:54 AM EDT
[#27]

Quoted:
I made a post that should manage to rial a few feathers.


Nothing too harsh but god I'm sick of the know-it-all types.


Great posts on the othe site. You completely kicked the guys ass with your arguments. All he could do was resort to spouting the typical Liberal BS.

It's funny how when you use logic against liberals, their arguments completely fall apart, then they get all frustrated and resort to name calling or try and change the subject. I love how he could not go more than a few posts without blaming George W. Bush for something.
6/10/2008 6:14:14 PM EDT
[#28]

Quoted:


He's a rough one to debate with.  He's like super brain child.  He's 15 and he's taking like all college courses.  Thinks he knows everything there is to know.

I want to pull my hair out sometimes when debating him.



In other words he's a no life experience dumbshit kid trying to impress others with his opinions.

He'll be the perfect lap dog to liberal professors in college, kinda like a whole Good Will Hunting kind of ideological philosophical parade of bullshit.

If he's truely 15-16ish years old I've owned AR15s for almost as long as he's been alive.

If he's the future of this country we need some bleach in the gene pool.
6/10/2008 6:23:53 PM EDT
[#29]

Quoted:

Quoted:


He's a rough one to debate with.  He's like super brain child.  He's 15 and he's taking like all college courses.  Thinks he knows everything there is to know.

I want to pull my hair out sometimes when debating him.



In other words he's a no life experience dumbshit kid trying to impress others with his opinions.

He'll be the perfect lap dog to liberal professors in college, kinda like a whole Good Will Hunting kind of ideological philosophical parade of bullshit.

If he's truely 15-16ish years old I've owned AR15s for almost as long as he's been alive.

If he's the future of this country we need some bleach in the gene pool.


he keeps going back to you and Redneck, however I posted a direct link to the SCOTUS ruling that you are not constitutionally entitled to police protection, rather you are responsible for your own protection. He has not bothered to acknowledge that tidbit of info. go figure
6/10/2008 6:42:30 PM EDT
[#30]
I'm supposedly on ignore so now the fun will really begin to trounce all over his arguments and see how long he can hold out before temptation causes him to respond directly to me again.

His last post really provoked my inner ant burner.

Knew it wouldn't be long before he showed his true colors and fell into the "guns are useless" argument.   Earlier he said that he only had problems with certain kinds of guns and now he's been nailed revealing his true opinon.


But to the point,


Shit yeah I own guns for the purpose of killing people.   As bad as that sounds it's not for the deliberate criminal act of commiting murder...     In the sense that self defense with a firearms requires you to stop a person, there's a direct correlation to quick effective stops and lethality.    As far as a logical argument is concerned, lethal force is the quickest means to stopping somebody who's threatening the life of another.

I want the biggest baddest cartridge to stop that person who's making those dangerous threats as possible and if it just so winds up that they die in the process that's of secondary importance to stopping the threat.

It's perfectly spelled out time and time again in police department lethal force policies, they don't "shoot to kill" specifically but rather "shoot to stop".    But when you look at it the central nervous system and COM shots are all in areas highly likely to provide lethal shots and take a person out of the fight quickly.

And the idiot is suggesting that the populace not have access to the same protections as police?
6/10/2008 6:48:05 PM EDT
[#31]

Quoted:
I'm supposedly on ignore so now the fun will really begin to trounce all over his arguments and see how long he can hold out before temptation causes him to respond directly to me again.

His last post really provoked my inner ant burner.

Knew it wouldn't be long before he showed his true colors and fell into the "guns are useless" argument.   Earlier he said that he only had problems with certain kinds of guns and now he's been nailed revealing his true opinon.


But to the point,


Shit yeah I own guns for the purpose of killing people.   As bad as that sounds it's not for the deliberate criminal act of commiting murder...     In the sense that self defense with a firearms requires you to stop a person, there's a direct correlation to quick effective stops and lethality.    As far as a logical argument is concerned, lethal force is the quickest means to stopping somebody who's threatening the life of another.

I want the biggest baddest cartridge to stop that person who's making those dangerous threats as possible and if it just so winds up that they die in the process that's of secondary importance to stopping the threat.

It's perfectly spelled out time and time again in police department lethal force policies, they don't "shoot to kill" specifically but rather "shoot to stop".    But when you look at it the central nervous system and COM shots are all in areas highly likely to provide lethal shots and take a person out of the fight quickly.

And the idiot is suggesting that the populace not have access to the same protections as police?


OH SNAP!111!!!!!!1!  Just read it, I hope to god he responds to this.