[ARCHIVED THREAD] - More Wisdom from Subnet (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 7/18/2012 9:16:13 AM EDT
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Quoted: There is no point in arguing with somebody who freely offers that some of their beliefs are grounded in faith. In other words, trying to shake that faith citing a lack of evidence is pointless - they've already told you that they hold a belief absent evidence, which means they don't value evidence as much as required for that kind of argument to work. These are truly Words To Live Bytm and I'd like to thank Subnet for posting them. I intend to try to live by them, though I'll admit that I don't expect it to be easy. |
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The problem is that what he said presupposes this modern view of faith as being irrational.
Nothing could be further from the truth. Genuine, biblical faith is a gift from God, to be sure, but it is absolutely rational; those who possess it are, in one sense, the only sane peoplee on the face of the earth. However, if his statement on faith refers to non-Christian beliefs, then, yes, I agree 100%. Christianity is a matter of faith, but it is a reasonable, rational faith. |
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Quoted: Quoted: There is no point in arguing with somebody who freely offers that some of their beliefs are grounded in faith. In other words, trying to shake that faith citing a lack of evidence is pointless - they've already told you that they hold a belief absent evidence, which means they don't value evidence as much as required for that kind of argument to work. These are truly Words To Live Bytm and I'd like to thank Subnet for posting them. I intend to try to live by them, though I'll admit that I don't expect it to be easy. Rather than start a whole new thread dedicated to your devotion of "Subnet", you could have just as easily sent flowers instead. |
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The problem is that what he said presupposes this modern view of faith as being irrational. Nothing could be further from the truth. Genuine, biblical faith is a gift from God, to be sure, but it is absolutely rational; those who possess it are, in one sense, the only sane peoplee on the face of the earth. However, if his statement on faith refers to non-Christian beliefs, then, yes, I agree 100%. Christianity is a matter of faith, but it is a reasonable, rational faith. In what way is Christian faith more reasonable or rational than other non-Christian faiths? Just wondering. |
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Quoted: Works both ways. Exactly. Many have blind faith in "science". The problem is that when they hear of a "study" that purports to prove something, they take that info as being some way infallible, not realizing that scientific study can be just as flawed as any human endeavor. I've been around long enough to see proven scientific facts go full circle. Both science and religion are human quests for understanding, and the "Truth". And importantly, they're not incompatible with each other. Neither should be blindly accepted. The important thing is to keep asking questions.
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The problem is that what he said presupposes this modern view of faith as being irrational. Nothing could be further from the truth. Genuine, biblical faith is a gift from God, to be sure, but it is absolutely rational; those who possess it are, in one sense, the only sane peoplee on the face of the earth. However, if his statement on faith refers to non-Christian beliefs, then, yes, I agree 100%. Christianity is a matter of faith, but it is a reasonable, rational faith. In what way is Christian faith more reasonable or rational than other non-Christian faiths? Just wondering. In every possible way. Christianity is true, and Christians are the only people who have a grasp of the world around them that is rooted in reality. All other worldviews are delusional in that they ignore what is obvious - namely, that God is, and that God is good, and that it logically follows that this good God hates evil people like us and therefore it is truly good news when we hear that He has sent His Son to redeem a people from this fallen, rebellious world. If Christianity were false, and just one of many other fake religions that lead to hell, then it would be just as irrational and unreasonable as any other worldview. |
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There is no point in arguing with somebody who freely offers that some of their beliefs are grounded in faith. In other words, trying to shake that faith citing a lack of evidence is pointless - they've already told you that they hold a belief absent evidence, which means they don't value evidence as much as required for that kind of argument to work. Yep. You can't reason a person out of a belief that they didn't reason themselves into. Jane |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The problem is that what he said presupposes this modern view of faith as being irrational. Nothing could be further from the truth. Genuine, biblical faith is a gift from God, to be sure, but it is absolutely rational; those who possess it are, in one sense, the only sane peoplee on the face of the earth. However, if his statement on faith refers to non-Christian beliefs, then, yes, I agree 100%. Christianity is a matter of faith, but it is a reasonable, rational faith. In what way is Christian faith more reasonable or rational than other non-Christian faiths? Just wondering. In every possible way. Christianity is true, and Christians are the only people who have a grasp of the world around them that is rooted in reality. All other worldviews are delusional in that they ignore what is obvious - namely, that God is, and that God is good, and that it logically follows that this good God hates evil people like us and therefore it is truly good news when we hear that He has sent His Son to redeem a people from this fallen, rebellious world. If Christianity were false, and just one of many other fake religions that lead to hell, then it would be just as irrational and unreasonable as any other worldview. Oh my, this is going to be one hell of a shitstorm. |
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The problem is that what he said presupposes this modern view of faith as being irrational. Nothing could be further from the truth. Genuine, biblical faith is a gift from God, to be sure, but it is absolutely rational; those who possess it are, in one sense, the only sane peoplee on the face of the earth. However, if his statement on faith refers to non-Christian beliefs, then, yes, I agree 100%. Christianity is a matter of faith, but it is a reasonable, rational faith. In what way is Christian faith more reasonable or rational than other non-Christian faiths? Just wondering. In every possible way. Christianity is true, and Christians are the only people who have a grasp of the world around them that is rooted in reality. All other worldviews are delusional in that they ignore what is obvious - namely, that God is, and that God is good, and that it logically follows that this good God hates evil people like us and therefore it is truly good news when we hear that He has sent His Son to redeem a people from this fallen, rebellious world. If Christianity were false, and just one of many other fake religions that lead to hell, then it would be just as irrational and unreasonable as any other worldview. Oh my, this is going to be one hell of a shitstorm. LOL, everyone thinks only the religion they believe in is the one true religion, nothing new. Lifelong brainwashing by family is a hard thing to overcome. |
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The problem is that what he said presupposes this modern view of faith as being irrational. Regardless of how you see it, there is nothing rational about believing in Christ's divinity. The problem is the negative connotation you assign to the word 'irrational.' Easily the creepiest .gif I've ever seen. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The problem is that what he said presupposes this modern view of faith as being irrational. Nothing could be further from the truth. Genuine, biblical faith is a gift from God, to be sure, but it is absolutely rational; those who possess it are, in one sense, the only sane peoplee on the face of the earth. However, if his statement on faith refers to non-Christian beliefs, then, yes, I agree 100%. Christianity is a matter of faith, but it is a reasonable, rational faith. In what way is Christian faith more reasonable or rational than other non-Christian faiths? Just wondering. In every possible way. Christianity is true, and Christians are the only people who have a grasp of the world around them that is rooted in reality. All other worldviews are delusional in that they ignore what is obvious - namely, that God is, and that God is good, and that it logically follows that this good God hates evil people like us and therefore it is truly good news when we hear that He has sent His Son to redeem a people from this fallen, rebellious world. If Christianity were false, and just one of many other fake religions that lead to hell, then it would be just as irrational and unreasonable as any other worldview. I think God wanted you to provide a perfect illustration of Subnet's point. Good job. |
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So is this the atheist pat-yourself-on-the-back thread?
Atheism Is A Religion |
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No, this thread is apparently the actualization of a man-crush (maybe homo, jury's still out) on Subnet. It is tangentially the thread wherein we try to convince some of our more pig-headed brethren that arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics. It is no more or less about atheism than it is about evolution, or abortion, or chili. Not all matters of faith are religious or spiritual. |
| Religion is truly confusing to me. To be honest, I don't know what God is and the older I get the more torn I feel. However, I do feel there is something grander than all of us...call it God, a greater conscienceness, etc. The thing is..we can't all be right and we can't all be wrong and I don't feel that only a select group of people have access to the path of forgiveness or "Heaven". The Bible says to honor thy mother and father. If your parents pray to a little fat man and tell you that this is the way, then going against them to become a "Christian" would go against the Bible. There are a ton of things I don't understand and when I try to follow it out with reasonable explanations, it still doesn't compute...referring to the Bible. |
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No, this thread is apparently the actualization of a man-crush (maybe homo, jury's still out) on Subnet. It is tangentially the thread wherein we try to convince some of our more pig-headed brothers that arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics. It is no more or less about atheism than it is about evolution, or abortion, or chili. Not all matters of faith are religious or spiritual. Climb down off your cross before you get sunburn. 
You obviously don't know me well. 
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The problem is that what he said presupposes this modern view of faith as being irrational. Nothing could be further from the truth. Genuine, biblical faith is a gift from God, to be sure, but it is absolutely rational; those who possess it are, in one sense, the only sane peoplee on the face of the earth. However, if his statement on faith refers to non-Christian beliefs, then, yes, I agree 100%. Christianity is a matter of faith, but it is a reasonable, rational faith. In what way is Christian faith more reasonable or rational than other non-Christian faiths? Just wondering. In every possible way. Christianity is true, and Christians are the only people who have a grasp of the world around them that is rooted in reality. All other worldviews are delusional in that they ignore what is obvious - namely, that God is, and that God is good, and that it logically follows that this good God hates evil people like us and therefore it is truly good news when we hear that He has sent His Son to redeem a people from this fallen, rebellious world. If Christianity were false, and just one of many other fake religions that lead to hell, then it would be just as irrational and unreasonable as any other worldview. Oh my, this is going to be one hell of a shitstorm. Ask him how old the Earth is... come on, I dare you. |
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The problem is that what he said presupposes this modern view of faith as being irrational. Nothing could be further from the truth. Genuine, biblical faith is a gift from God, to be sure, but it is absolutely rational; those who possess it are, in one sense, the only sane peoplee on the face of the earth. However, if his statement on faith refers to non-Christian beliefs, then, yes, I agree 100%. Christianity is a matter of faith, but it is a reasonable, rational faith. In what way is Christian faith more reasonable or rational than other non-Christian faiths? Just wondering. In every possible way. Christianity is true, and Christians are the only people who have a grasp of the world around them that is rooted in reality. All other worldviews are delusional in that they ignore what is obvious - namely, that God is, and that God is good, and that it logically follows that this good God hates evil people like us and therefore it is truly good news when we hear that He has sent His Son to redeem a people from this fallen, rebellious world. If Christianity were false, and just one of many other fake religions that lead to hell, then it would be just as irrational and unreasonable as any other worldview. lol. here, try this one on for size: "Engineers are the only people who have a grasp of the world around them that is rooted in reality." prove me wrong. good luck. 
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Lifelong brainwashing by family is a hard thing to overcome. My beliefs do not reflect those of any of my family - with the exception of my dad who has followed me as my beliefs have changed. So your argument looks really, really dumb here. Sorry. Perhaps I was wrong in your case, for that I apologise, but generally I am correct, kids will take on the religion of their parents, most don't have a choice. |
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Works both ways. No. One can't prove that there is a god, but it's been proven that there is no God: Faith vs. Faith. You forgot to carry the 1. |
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The problem is that what he said presupposes this modern view of faith as being irrational. Nothing could be further from the truth. Genuine, biblical faith is a gift from God, to be sure, but it is absolutely rational; those who possess it are, in one sense, the only sane peoplee on the face of the earth. However, if his statement on faith refers to non-Christian beliefs, then, yes, I agree 100%. Christianity is a matter of faith, but it is a reasonable, rational faith. And there is no way we could ever shake your conviction that your faith in the reasonableness of your faith in Christianity is somehow more reasonable than my belief in the tooth fairy. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The problem is that what he said presupposes this modern view of faith as being irrational. Nothing could be further from the truth. Genuine, biblical faith is a gift from God, to be sure, but it is absolutely rational; those who possess it are, in one sense, the only sane peoplee on the face of the earth. However, if his statement on faith refers to non-Christian beliefs, then, yes, I agree 100%. Christianity is a matter of faith, but it is a reasonable, rational faith. In what way is Christian faith more reasonable or rational than other non-Christian faiths? Just wondering. In every possible way. Christianity is true, and Christians are the only people who have a grasp of the world around them that is rooted in reality. All other worldviews are delusional in that they ignore what is obvious - namely, that God is, and that God is good, and that it logically follows that this good God hates evil people like us and therefore it is truly good news when we hear that He has sent His Son to redeem a people from this fallen, rebellious world. If Christianity were false, and just one of many other fake religions that lead to hell, then it would be just as irrational and unreasonable as any other worldview. Circular logic is circular. |
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There is no point in arguing with somebody who freely offers that some of their beliefs are grounded in faith. In other words, trying to shake that faith citing a lack of evidence is pointless - they've already told you that they hold a belief absent evidence, which means they don't value evidence as much as required for that kind of argument to work. These are truly Words To Live Bytm and I'd like to thank Subnet for posting them. I intend to try to live by them, though I'll admit that I don't expect it to be easy. As stated above, that's a foolish proposition. I am an attorney and I try cases. Everything I do is based in some way upon evidence, and I frequently argue evidence is not competent, not probative, not relevant, or non existant. But my faith is different and it exists in the absence of evidence. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Works both ways. No. One can't prove that there is a god, but it's been proven that there is no God: Faith vs. Faith. You forgot to carry the 1. Curses! Foiled again! |
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Quoted: Nothing could be further from the truth. Genuine, biblical faith is a gift from God, to be sure, but it is absolutely rational; those who possess it are, in one sense, the only sane peoplee on the face of the earth. and just when my day was threatening to become productive, a gem like this pops up. i suspect that this thread is going to be far more entertaining than studying geoscience or cleaning my kitchen would be.
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His argument also colors us as fools, and makes it appear as if we don't understand the need for evidence or it's value. I wish I had faith that this whole thread was a genuine attempt at understanding those of different beliefs, but the evidence shows it is just another way to make Christians look stupid.
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The problem is that what he said presupposes this modern view of faith as being irrational. Nothing could be further from the truth. Genuine, biblical faith is a gift from God, to be sure, but it is absolutely rational; those who possess it are, in one sense, the only sane peoplee on the face of the earth. However, if his statement on faith refers to non-Christian beliefs, then, yes, I agree 100%. Christianity is a matter of faith, but it is a reasonable, rational faith. |
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The problem is that what he said presupposes this modern view of faith as being irrational. Nothing could be further from the truth. Genuine, biblical faith is a gift from God, to be sure, but it is absolutely rational; those who possess it are, in one sense, the only sane peoplee on the face of the earth. However, if his statement on faith refers to non-Christian beliefs, then, yes, I agree 100%. Christianity is a matter of faith, but it is a reasonable, rational faith. In what way is Christian faith more reasonable or rational than other non-Christian faiths? Just wondering. It's not. It's not rational at all. No one said we are "better than" in any sense of the phrase. |
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No, this thread is apparently the actualization of a man-crush (maybe homo, jury's still out) on Subnet. It is tangentially the thread wherein we try to convince some of our more pig-headed brothers that arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics. It is no more or less about atheism than it is about evolution, or abortion, or chili. Not all matters of faith are religious or spiritual. Climb down off your cross before you get sunburn.
You obviously don't know me well.
Mea culpa. I took that part out becasue it was unnecessarily snarky. It appears I wan't fast enough. |
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The problem is that what he said presupposes this modern view of faith as being irrational. Nothing could be further from the truth. Genuine, biblical faith is a gift from God, to be sure, but it is absolutely rational; those who possess it are, in one sense, the only sane peoplee on the face of the earth. However, if his statement on faith refers to non-Christian beliefs, then, yes, I agree 100%. Christianity is a matter of faith, but it is a reasonable, rational faith. In what way is Christian faith more reasonable or rational than other non-Christian faiths? Just wondering. In every possible way. Christianity is true, and Christians are the only people who have a grasp of the world around them that is rooted in reality. All other worldviews are delusional in that they ignore what is obvious - namely, that God is, and that God is good, and that it logically follows that this good God hates evil people like us and therefore it is truly good news when we hear that He has sent His Son to redeem a people from this fallen, rebellious world. If Christianity were false, and just one of many other fake religions that lead to hell, then it would be just as irrational and unreasonable as any other worldview. I believe Christianity is true therefore Christianity is true. Circular argument at best, Begging the question at least. |
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The problem is that what he said presupposes this modern view of faith as being irrational. Nothing could be further from the truth. Genuine, biblical faith is a gift from God, to be sure, but it is absolutely rational; those who possess it are, in one sense, the only sane peoplee on the face of the earth. However, if his statement on faith refers to non-Christian beliefs, then, yes, I agree 100%. Christianity is a matter of faith, but it is a reasonable, rational faith. In what way is Christian faith more reasonable or rational than other non-Christian faiths? Just wondering. In every possible way. Christianity is true, and Christians are the only people who have a grasp of the world around them that is rooted in reality. All other worldviews are delusional in that they ignore what is obvious - namely, that God is, and that God is good, and that it logically follows that this good God hates evil people like us and therefore it is truly good news when we hear that He has sent His Son to redeem a people from this fallen, rebellious world. If Christianity were false, and just one of many other fake religions that lead to hell, then it would be just as irrational and unreasonable as any other worldview. alter Schwede - is a term we use in Germany when we are absolutely speechless and well I am just speechless 
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The problem is that what he said presupposes this modern view of faith as being irrational. Nothing could be further from the truth. Genuine, biblical faith is a gift from God, to be sure, but it is absolutely rational; those who possess it are, in one sense, the only sane peoplee on the face of the earth. However, if his statement on faith refers to non-Christian beliefs, then, yes, I agree 100%. Christianity is a matter of faith, but it is a reasonable, rational faith. In what way is Christian faith more reasonable or rational than other non-Christian faiths? Just wondering. It's not. It's not rational at all. No one said we are "better than" in any sense of the phrase. You need to get on message, sir. |
