[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Motorcycle Riders.... Help. (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 5/19/2017 10:31:40 AM EDT
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Looking at street bikes, 2005-10, $3500-5000.
Its between Yamaha R6 and CBR600rr Rode dirt bikes for twelve years, but haven't rode in 6 years and this will be my first road bike. Wich one and why? |
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Honda has more midrange while the Yamaha is more top end. Had an 03 and 06 600rr and they were both very smooth through the entire rpm range. The 08 R6 on the other hand liked to "buck" at lower RPMs when taking off and putting around town but screamed in the upper RPMs. Yamaha seemed faster. I say get whatever you like the looks of the best and roll with it. I think I prefer the looks of the Yamaha actually.
ETA - I had no mechanical issues with either and the 03 600rr got the shit beat out of it. |
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FPNI
Both are relatively easy to work on. I'm partial to Yamaha's......been riding them for 25+ years. Although if you only ridden dirt bikes and haven't ridden in 6 years, maybe ought to think about either being a cheap POS to get back up to speed because dirst and street and 2 different things. |
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I have owned the following over the years. Hawk 650, FZ-09, Bandit 1200, Seca 550, 600RR.
I did not like the 600RR. For around town where having power down low is nice, the 600 didn't have it. 80% of my riding is freeway and around town and the 600 felt cramped and slow. However once in the tight corners it felt great. Early on in my riding I learned from pros that I could not come close to getting all the performance out of a good street bike. After the realization I went for bikes that felt good while riding them. |
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I have owned the following over the years. Hawk 650, FZ-09, Bandit 1200, Seca 550, 600RR. I did not like the 600RR. For around town where having power down low is nice, the 600 didn't have it. 80% of my riding is freeway and around town and the 600 felt cramped and slow. However once in the tight corners it felt great. Early on in my riding I learned from pros that I could not come close to getting all the performance out of a good street bike. After the realization I went for bikes that felt good while riding them. |
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You don't need a 600 sport bike as your first road bike. You should probably spend a year or 2 riding a KLR650/DR650/Versys/Bonneville/SV650/ ?/ in which you're less likely to exceed your skill level at warp speed. Seriously though, the V-Strom 650 is a good idea. If my riding didn't always end up on gravel logging roads and dirt trails I'd have a V-Strom you betcha. |
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6 '2, 210. Road trail and track. Never raced. And pretty often. Xr 100r first Xr250r on trails and YZ250f on tracks. The Honda will be a little bit more comfortable than the Yamaha and a bit more forgiving. |
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If you like wrenching, get the CBR. If you like riding, get the R6 When it comes to 2 wheels red ride. ETA: I have never heard ANYONE complain about Honda reliability. I started racing MX 27years ago. Two in this thread??? 
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Your best option would be an SV650 if you want something sporty. Seriously. I used to work at a motorcycle dealership and have ridden just about every type of bike you can imagine from scooters to Goldwings. I wanted a CBR in the worst way in that time and after I rode a few bikes I realized just how bad sportbikes suck. I've ridden many R6's and CBR's and they are all hateful 95% of the time. They are only fun if you are going fast, and if you ride it like that, you will get in legal trouble or worse in a hurry. Believe me, you will fucking hate your life if you need to put more than 30 minutes on one. You can have more than enough fun on an SV. They have good power and a more usable powerband, and they are still plenty of fun on the curves. You get 3-4 hrs of seat time before you want to get off it, and insurance is a fraction of a sportbike.
If sporty isn't important to you (and it appears that it is), get a V-strom 650 or something similar. |
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Your best option would be an SV650 if you want something sporty. Seriously. I used to work at a motorcycle dealership and have ridden just about every type of bike you can imagine from scooters to Goldwings. I wanted a CBR in the worst way in that time and after I rode a few bikes I realized just how bad sportbikes suck. I've ridden many R6's and CBR's and they are all hateful 95% of the time. They are only fun if you are going fast, and if you ride it like that, you will get in legal trouble or worse in a hurry. Believe me, you will fucking hate your life if you need to put more than 30 minutes on one. You can have more than enough fun on an SV. They have good power and a more usable powerband, and they are still plenty of fun on the curves. You get 3-4 hrs of seat time before you want to get off it, and insurance is a fraction of a sportbike. If sporty isn't important to you (and it appears that it is), get a V-strom 650 or something similar. You guys are making me think about it harder Wich is probably a good thing. 
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I rode dirt bikes (trails, MX, SX) for years before I got into street bikes. Started with a ZX6, it was ok. Eventually sold it and got a DRZ400SM, it was tits. It was only slow on the straights, keeps up with or faster than sport bikes in the corners. Way better for around town.
Also, I learned very quickly- Dirt bike skills don't translate to street skills! Completely different techniques. |
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www.cycle-ergo.com I second the suggestion of the Suzuki SV650. It's a great all-round bike. |
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FPNI Both are relatively easy to work on. I'm partial to Yamaha's......been riding them for 25+ years. Although if you only ridden dirt bikes and haven't ridden in 6 years, maybe ought to think about either being a cheap POS to get back up to speed because dirst and street and 2 different things. A similar transition for me was cake. I went from riding on farmland on a dirt bike to a street bike a couple years later without any issues at all. You gotta know your limitations. I didn't start with a crotch rocket, but a heavier bike would have been a better thing on the freeways of CA. A lightweight bike gets blown around quite a bit, especially on windy days. There were days I couldn't ride safely without the weight of a passenger. |
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R1 you'll lke the power band better than the 600 Attached File With your size if you would get the itch to ride for hours you would be better served with more upright ergos. I've ridden 600s and literbikes on the street. They are lacking in usefull midrange. An FZ1, Bandit, or my personal favorite, a ZRX1200R, might serve you better. When I reentered riding after a loooong hiatus I got a new 2004 ZRX and found it to be fairly comfortable and had good pull without having to keep the revs way up all the time to avoid waiting, waiting, waiting, ahh in the power band at 'normal' highway speeds. An SV650 or similar ought to work but it will be a good bit slower than the R6 or CBR. I guess another issue is traffic density, the number of lanes, urban, suburban, rural roads on your usual 20 minute ride. One bike type perfect for a windy country road might be miserable in heavy stop and go traffic. I've had an ST1300 for the last 10 years since I really like to take multi-day rides. Roomy and good weather protection. Attached File |
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Your best option would be an SV650 if you want something sporty. Seriously. I used to work at a motorcycle dealership and have ridden just about every type of bike you can imagine from scooters to Goldwings. I wanted a CBR in the worst way in that time and after I rode a few bikes I realized just how bad sportbikes suck. I've ridden many R6's and CBR's and they are all hateful 95% of the time. They are only fun if you are going fast, and if you ride it like that, you will get in legal trouble or worse in a hurry. Believe me, you will fucking hate your life if you need to put more than 30 minutes on one. You can have more than enough fun on an SV. They have good power and a more usable powerband, and they are still plenty of fun on the curves. You get 3-4 hrs of seat time before you want to get off it, and insurance is a fraction of a sportbike. If sporty isn't important to you (and it appears that it is), get a V-strom 650 or something similar. My last real ride was an Ironbutt back to Central Texas from Laguna Seca MotoGP on a 1000RR. Pure. Fucking. Misery.* An FZ-6 would probably be your best all around commuting, cruising, yet still capable of sport riding compromise. *I wasn't going to bail on the guy I was riding with. |
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If I wanted a somewhat sporty bike, which I don't, I would go for the FZ-07. More upright riding position than any of the supersports. They bend really well into the corners and they look pretty good too. The SVs are good machines and my wife owned one and I had one as a dedicated track bike but in my opinion they are vanilla as a sporty ride. Sure you can make them handle really well for what they are but the motor and suspenders are vanilla boring.
Used FZ-07's can be had really reasonably. You should probably go to large multi-line dealer and at least sit on the many different types of bikes. My BMW has hardbags but if I were in the mood for a more sporty bike on the street it would be an FZ-07 which imo has a the better balance of suspension and performance when compared to the FZ09 or others. GL! |
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I've ridden everything you can imagine and then some. If you're planning on racing get the sportbike — either one will be fine for entry-level club racing and you make a much bigger difference than the bike, you'll upgrade when you improve.
If you're planning mostly street with the occasional track-day the SV will be superb. Planning on getting a little dirty? Dual sport (KLR, DR, XR, KTM 590, etc.) What I used to ride: 
What I ride now: 
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Your best option would be an SV650 if you want something sporty. Seriously. I used to work at a motorcycle dealership and have ridden just about every type of bike you can imagine from scooters to Goldwings. I wanted a CBR in the worst way in that time and after I rode a few bikes I realized just how bad sportbikes suck. I've ridden many R6's and CBR's and they are all hateful 95% of the time. They are only fun if you are going fast, and if you ride it like that, you will get in legal trouble or worse in a hurry. Believe me, you will fucking hate your life if you need to put more than 30 minutes on one. You can have more than enough fun on an SV. They have good power and a more usable powerband, and they are still plenty of fun on the curves. You get 3-4 hrs of seat time before you want to get off it, and insurance is a fraction of a sportbike. If sporty isn't important to you (and it appears that it is), get a V-strom 650 or something similar. I will add one thing, the stock SV-650 suspension is crap. I have a Penske 8983 on the back and dialed-in GSXR forks on the front of mine and it is outstanding. If you want to RIDE, get an SV, upgrade the suspension, add some frame sliders, and get some gear and track time with the $$$ saved. If you want to look cool and spend lots of money, get whatever OMFGBBQ-1000R supersport has the coolest paint scheme which you can then add your own custom scratches to when you dump it in the parking lot. |
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Find a late 90s Yamaha VMax and learn throttle control....
...Or else. A beast of a machine, especially as you approach 6000RPM and the V-Boost starts to open up. Its gigantic brakes are its saving grace, given its otherwise questionable handling in the twistys. |
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6'2" 210lbs - both are going to be awful.
I'm 6'2 240lbs and couldn't stand more than about an hour on a supersport. Look at an F4i or something with less aggressive ergos. 600rr/R6 were designed for guys 5'8" 140lbs or so, you're going to be VERY cramped on one. Even my Speed Triple feels a bit tiny to me. |
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I like the looks of the SV You guys are making me think about it harder Wich is probably a good thing. They are not meant to rode slow. They aren't happy unless you're ON them. If you don't plan on riding them hard don't get one. As as for the size thing. I am the same size as you. I had no probs with the ergos on a 600. They aren't supposed to be comfy. |