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4/22/2007 6:34:24 PM EDT
Islams haters were right! There was in fact a Muslim spin on Virginia Tech!

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Student Gave His Life To Save Others

Updated: 13:46, Friday April 20, 2007
A survivor of the Virginia Tech massacre has been describing how a colleague died to protect others.
Although badly injured, graduate student Waleed Shalaan distracted gunman Cho Seung-Hui to save another person from his bullets.

The surviving student, who wishes to remain anonymous, told of Waleed's heroics through an email to his supervisor.

He describes how he was left uninjured after Cho's initial round of shots.

Meanwhile, Waleed had been wounded but was still alive.

However, when Cho later returned to the classroom to inspect for signs of life among his victims, the surviving student struggled to remain calm.

He believes he would have been shot dead were it not for Waleed's "protective movement" that distracted the gunman.

Cho turned and shot Waleed for a second time, killing him, before leaving the classroom.

Randy Dymond, a civil engineering professor, has said the student asked to him to tell the tale "so that the family of Waleed understands the sacrifice."

Shaalan's mother broke down when she heard Mr Dymond's account.

"He was trying to save someone else," she said repeatedly.

Dymond said Shaalan's body was taken to a Blacksburg mosque so classmates, teachers and friends could say goodbye before he was sent to Egypt for burial.

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IBbecausesourceisanonymousitdidn'thappen


Edit: New York Times

Yes it happened, and this Muslim Egyptian did a heroic thing.
4/22/2007 6:38:16 PM EDT
[#1]
I imagine the view to response ratio in this thread will be of biblical proportions.
4/22/2007 6:40:03 PM EDT
[#2]
My response: um, don't really have one. Yay?


The wounded dude should have just played dead. It sounds like the guy that survived did since he wasn't finished off as well.
4/22/2007 6:41:42 PM EDT
[#3]
so both were alive and the muslim intentionally spazed so he would get hit.....?

believable...he was wanting some 72 virgin ass
4/22/2007 6:44:12 PM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:
I imagine the view to response ratio in this thread will be of biblical proportions.


Oh, I doubt that. After all, we can't have it seem like a Muslim may have done something good, so rest assured the usual crew will be along shortly to downplay or just deny this.
4/22/2007 6:44:51 PM EDT
[#5]
Well, at least he died well.


ETA: What it sounds like is that cho came back in looking for more people to kill. The guy in question did "something" to distract him, thus at least buying the other students time.

Student on scene says that whatever the guy did helped, and I'm not gonna question the guy on scene.
4/22/2007 6:46:04 PM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I imagine the view to response ratio in this thread will be of biblical proportions.


Oh, I doubt that. After all, we can't have it seem like a Muslim may have done something good, so rest assured the usual crew will be along shortly to downplay or just deny this.


Not necessarily.  
4/22/2007 6:46:53 PM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I imagine the view to response ratio in this thread will be of biblical proportions.


Oh, I doubt that. After all, we can't have it seem like a Muslim may have done something good, so rest assured the usual crew will be along shortly to downplay or just deny this.


I dunno.
There's not much to deny or downplay.
Some guy, who was Muslim did a good thing.
It's pretty cut and dry.

View to response ratio is currently around 50 views per response.
If this thread was about how Cho was a Muslim, I imagine it might be a little different.
4/22/2007 6:48:21 PM EDT
[#8]
4/22/2007 6:55:42 PM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
View to response ratio is currently around 50 views per response.
If this thread was about how Cho was a Muslim, I imagine it might be a little different.


About 42:1 for this thread, so far.

About 39:1 for the 'Ismail Ax' thread.


Not a significant difference, IMO.
4/22/2007 7:04:43 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
Islams haters were right! There was in fact a Muslim spin on Virginia Tech!

What's a "Muslim spin"??
4/22/2007 7:09:54 PM EDT
[#11]
So have the usual suspects given up on Cho being an Islamic convert yet - or is that still their story?
4/22/2007 7:10:54 PM EDT
[#12]
Despite what some Arfcommers think religion has little to do with the way a person acts. It is culture and upbringing more than anything else and apparently his parents raised him right.
4/22/2007 7:16:31 PM EDT
[#13]

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So have the usual suspects given up on Cho being an Islamic convert yet - or is that still their story?


Not really.
In the absence of any evidence to support their assertion now they are claiming that the US gov't is covering it up and it will not see the light of day.
4/22/2007 7:30:45 PM EDT
[#14]
Heroism is heroism.  If this student gave his life to save another by intentionally drawing attention to himself, then that is an act of heroism.
4/22/2007 7:33:59 PM EDT
[#15]

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What's a "Muslim spin"??


Evidently awarding extra credit to someone who does something productive, simply because they're Muslim.
4/22/2007 7:36:23 PM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:

Quoted:

What's a "Muslim spin"??


Evidently awarding extra credit to someone who does something productive, simply because they're Muslim.


As opposed to seeking to tack on extra motive to someone who does something bad, simply because they're Muslim?
4/22/2007 7:38:46 PM EDT
[#17]
I'm just trying to skew the results.
4/22/2007 7:40:45 PM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Islams haters were right! There was in fact a Muslim spin on Virginia Tech!

What's a "Muslim spin"??


When a CAIR lawyer speaks.
4/22/2007 7:41:31 PM EDT
[#19]
This is a fabrication of the liberal media.
4/22/2007 7:44:03 PM EDT
[#20]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:

What's a "Muslim spin"??


Evidently awarding extra credit to someone who does something productive, simply because they're Muslim.


As opposed to seeking to tack on extra motive to someone who does something bad, simply because they're Muslim?


What?  Like saying a muslim did something because they were brainwashed and want to bring jihad to the world?  Yea, thats never their motivation...  We are really making a stretch when we assume that...

edit: details are sketchy but it sounds like this guy went out a hero.  Who knows if what he did saved any lives but he sure did put it on the line for the sake of other..  
4/22/2007 7:44:56 PM EDT
[#21]
Too bad this man wasn't allowed the means to defend himself
4/22/2007 7:51:29 PM EDT
[#22]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
Islams haters were right! There was in fact a Muslim spin on Virginia Tech!

What's a "Muslim spin"??


When a CAIR lawyer speaks.

WINNAR!!!

4/22/2007 7:52:47 PM EDT
[#23]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:

What's a "Muslim spin"??


Evidently awarding extra credit to someone who does something productive, simply because they're Muslim.


As opposed to seeking to tack on extra motive to someone who does something bad, simply because they're Muslim?


What?  Like saying a muslim did something because they were brainwashed and want to bring jihad to the world?  Yea, thats never their motivation...  We are really making a stretch when we assume that...

edit: details are sketchy but it sounds like this guy went out a hero.  Who knows if what he did saved any lives but he sure did put it on the line for the sake of other..  


I'm referring to things like street crime being considered part of jihad.
4/22/2007 7:55:17 PM EDT
[#24]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:

What's a "Muslim spin"??


Evidently awarding extra credit to someone who does something productive, simply because they're Muslim.


As opposed to seeking to tack on extra motive to someone who does something bad, simply because they're Muslim?


Not opposed; exactly the same...and both equally disingenuous.
4/22/2007 7:58:05 PM EDT
[#25]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:

What's a "Muslim spin"??


Evidently awarding extra credit to someone who does something productive, simply because they're Muslim.


As opposed to seeking to tack on extra motive to someone who does something bad, simply because they're Muslim?


What?  Like saying a muslim did something because they were brainwashed and want to bring jihad to the world?  Yea, thats never their motivation...  We are really making a stretch when we assume that...

edit: details are sketchy but it sounds like this guy went out a hero.  Who knows if what he did saved any lives but he sure did put it on the line for the sake of other..  


I'm referring to things like street crime being considered part of jihad.


Such as? For the record, I don't believe for a moment that this Cho character was Muslim. With that out of the way, we do have ample evidence of SJS. (The Jewish daycare shooting in Seattle, the LAX El Al counter shooting, and the DC sniper for examples) It isn't unreasonable to look for signs of SJS, IMO, following one of these high-profile spree killings. It can be taken too far, as may be happening, but SJS DOES happen, so some speculation has to be OK.
4/22/2007 8:02:07 PM EDT
[#26]

, Waleed had been wounded but was still alive....He believes he would have been shot dead were it not for Waleed's "protective movement" that distracted the gunman.


Sounds like all he did was squirm in pain.  That's "protective"?
4/22/2007 8:10:59 PM EDT
[#27]
No suprise to me, I have seen many selfless acts of heroism performed by muslims.

January, 2005 I watched and Iraqi policeman recognize a suicide bomber seconds before he detonated himself next to a line of people waiting to vote.  He threw himself on the guy and absorbed a lot of the blast.  It still killed 8 people, but would have been a lot worse if not for the actions of that brave man.  The biggest piece of him we found was a foot.  

About a half and hour later, most of the people had returned to vote.  He gave his life for his country and its future.  We give people from our country CMHs for that kind of thing.  I could go on and on.
4/22/2007 8:14:02 PM EDT
[#28]

Quoted:
No suprise to me, I have seen many selfless acts of heroism performed by muslims.

January, 2005 I watched and Iraqi policeman recognize a suicide bomber seconds before he detonated himself next to a line of people waiting to vote.  He threw himself on the guy and absorbed a lot of the blast.  It still killed 8 people, but would have been a lot worse if not for the actions of that brave man.  The biggest piece of him we found was a foot.  

About a half and hour later, most of the people had returned to vote.  He gave his life for his country and its future.  We give people from our country CMHs for that kind of thing.  I could go on and on.


"THAT" is bravery and heroism.

4/22/2007 8:20:34 PM EDT
[#29]

Quoted:

Quoted:
No suprise to me, I have seen many selfless acts of heroism performed by muslims.

January, 2005 I watched and Iraqi policeman recognize a suicide bomber seconds before he detonated himself next to a line of people waiting to vote.  He threw himself on the guy and absorbed a lot of the blast.  It still killed 8 people, but would have been a lot worse if not for the actions of that brave man.  The biggest piece of him we found was a foot.  

About a half and hour later, most of the people had returned to vote.  He gave his life for his country and its future.  We give people from our country CMHs for that kind of thing.  I could go on and on.


"THAT" is bravery and heroism.



and "THAT" post will be ignored by 90% of the arfcom useful idiots.
4/22/2007 11:41:09 PM EDT
[#30]

Quoted:
No suprise to me, I have seen many selfless acts of heroism performed by muslims.

January, 2005 I watched and Iraqi policeman recognize a suicide bomber seconds before he detonated himself next to a line of people waiting to vote.  He threw himself on the guy and absorbed a lot of the blast.  It still killed 8 people, but would have been a lot worse if not for the actions of that brave man.  The biggest piece of him we found was a foot.  

About a half and hour later, most of the people had returned to vote.  He gave his life for his country and its future.  We give people from our country CMHs for that kind of thing.  I could go on and on.


I find it quite interesting that almost none of the muslim bashers are former Iraq and/or Afghan veterans.  And most that are not.

Acutal knowledge is a good thing.
4/23/2007 10:00:48 AM EDT
[#31]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
No suprise to me, I have seen many selfless acts of heroism performed by muslims.

January, 2005 I watched and Iraqi policeman recognize a suicide bomber seconds before he detonated himself next to a line of people waiting to vote.  He threw himself on the guy and absorbed a lot of the blast.  It still killed 8 people, but would have been a lot worse if not for the actions of that brave man.  The biggest piece of him we found was a foot.  

About a half and hour later, most of the people had returned to vote.  He gave his life for his country and its future.  We give people from our country CMHs for that kind of thing.  I could go on and on.


"THAT" is bravery and heroism.



and "THAT" post will be ignored by 90% of the arfcom useful idiots.


+1

Some of the most retarded and useless moozlim hating idiots have already posted their funny little quips and objections in this thread, so my work is done.

4/23/2007 10:11:56 AM EDT
[#32]
Not surprising at all, as someone else said look at all the guys signing up to be police in Iraq, basically sticking big targets on their foreheads for no gain other than serving their fellow citizens.  Or how about the family in Afghanistan that helped hide an injured SEAL from the Taliban until he could be extracted?  
4/23/2007 10:17:27 AM EDT
[#33]
bump
4/23/2007 10:21:52 AM EDT
[#34]

Quoted:
Islams haters were right! There was in fact a Muslim spin on Virginia Tech!

Article Link

Student Gave His Life To Save Others

Updated: 13:46, Friday April 20, 2007
A survivor of the Virginia Tech massacre has been describing how a colleague died to protect others.
Although badly injured, graduate student Waleed Shalaan distracted gunman Cho Seung-Hui to save another person from his bullets.

The surviving student, who wishes to remain anonymous, told of Waleed's heroics through an email to his supervisor.

He describes how he was left uninjured after Cho's initial round of shots.

Meanwhile, Waleed had been wounded but was still alive.

However, when Cho later returned to the classroom to inspect for signs of life among his victims, the surviving student struggled to remain calm.

He believes he would have been shot dead were it not for Waleed's "protective movement" that distracted the gunman.

Cho turned and shot Waleed for a second time, killing him, before leaving the classroom.

Randy Dymond, a civil engineering professor, has said the student asked to him to tell the tale "so that the family of Waleed understands the sacrifice."

Shaalan's mother broke down when she heard Mr Dymond's account.

"He was trying to save someone else," she said repeatedly.

Dymond said Shaalan's body was taken to a Blacksburg mosque so classmates, teachers and friends could say goodbye before he was sent to Egypt for burial.

---------------------------------------------



IBbecausesourceisanonymousitdidn'thappen


Dude, Ehem, pull up your pants a little, your agenda is showing.  
4/23/2007 10:27:42 AM EDT
[#35]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Islams haters were right! There was in fact a Muslim spin on Virginia Tech!

Article Link

Student Gave His Life To Save Others

Updated: 13:46, Friday April 20, 2007
A survivor of the Virginia Tech massacre has been describing how a colleague died to protect others.
Although badly injured, graduate student Waleed Shalaan distracted gunman Cho Seung-Hui to save another person from his bullets.

The surviving student, who wishes to remain anonymous, told of Waleed's heroics through an email to his supervisor.

He describes how he was left uninjured after Cho's initial round of shots.

Meanwhile, Waleed had been wounded but was still alive.

However, when Cho later returned to the classroom to inspect for signs of life among his victims, the surviving student struggled to remain calm.

He believes he would have been shot dead were it not for Waleed's "protective movement" that distracted the gunman.

Cho turned and shot Waleed for a second time, killing him, before leaving the classroom.

Randy Dymond, a civil engineering professor, has said the student asked to him to tell the tale "so that the family of Waleed understands the sacrifice."

Shaalan's mother broke down when she heard Mr Dymond's account.

"He was trying to save someone else," she said repeatedly.

Dymond said Shaalan's body was taken to a Blacksburg mosque so classmates, teachers and friends could say goodbye before he was sent to Egypt for burial.

---------------------------------------------



IBbecausesourceisanonymousitdidn'thappen


Dude, Ehem, pull up your pants a little, your agenda is showing.  


My agenda is calling out all the idiot conspiracy theorists who hate muslims so much they keep trying to peg Cho to Islam.

I'm not an islam apologist, you can check my Digg.com comment record (gfreeman223) to see my heroic internet crusading against libtard apologists. However, I am sickened by the ignorance expressed by some. As if only muslims are threat to America...
4/23/2007 10:28:00 AM EDT
[#36]
There's good and bad people inevery religion.
This guy was one of the good ones, so was the iraqi police mentioned earlier.
4/23/2007 10:35:47 AM EDT
[#37]
Good for him.
4/23/2007 10:35:57 AM EDT
[#38]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
No suprise to me, I have seen many selfless acts of heroism performed by muslims.

January, 2005 I watched and Iraqi policeman recognize a suicide bomber seconds before he detonated himself next to a line of people waiting to vote.  He threw himself on the guy and absorbed a lot of the blast.  It still killed 8 people, but would have been a lot worse if not for the actions of that brave man.  The biggest piece of him we found was a foot.  

About a half and hour later, most of the people had returned to vote.  He gave his life for his country and its future.  We give people from our country CMHs for that kind of thing.  I could go on and on.


"THAT" is bravery and heroism.



and "THAT" post will be ignored by 90% of the arfcom useful idiots.




If you don't like it here, you can always leave.  I think we can do without you blessing us with your superior presence.

Regardless, the heroic acts of "Muslims" (read: Arabs) really don't do much to refute anything about the religion of Islam.

There are plenty of good people that are Muslims to varying degrees, great people in fact, which does not change one single bit that when followed to the letter as plenty of other Muslims do it is opposed to the West and the Free World in practically every way imaginable.

ETA: For example, 100 Iraqi policemen jumping on bombs does NOTHING to change some of the worst, dare I say evil, misogynistic beliefs and practices inherent to observing all of Islam.
4/23/2007 10:37:51 AM EDT
[#39]
Sounds like the typical media BS.  

<Insert tragedy name here> and the media will try to infuse or invent some great tale of heroism among the carnage because it makes for a good read to have some sort of heroic action among tragedy.      
4/23/2007 10:38:00 AM EDT
[#40]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:

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No suprise to me, I have seen many selfless acts of heroism performed by muslims.

January, 2005 I watched and Iraqi policeman recognize a suicide bomber seconds before he detonated himself next to a line of people waiting to vote.  He threw himself on the guy and absorbed a lot of the blast.  It still killed 8 people, but would have been a lot worse if not for the actions of that brave man.  The biggest piece of him we found was a foot.  

About a half and hour later, most of the people had returned to vote.  He gave his life for his country and its future.  We give people from our country CMHs for that kind of thing.  I could go on and on.


"THAT" is bravery and heroism.



and "THAT" post will be ignored by 90% of the arfcom useful idiots.




If you don't like it here, you can always leave.  I think we can do without you blessing us with your superior presence.

Regardless, the heroic acts of "Muslims" (read: Arabs) really don't do much to refute anything about the religion of Islam.

There are plenty of good people that are Muslims to varying degrees, great people in fact, which does not change one single bit that when followed to the letter as plenty of other Muslims do it is opposed to the West and the Free World in practically every way imaginable.


Read the code of conduct if you wish to continue having an account on this site.

I said this in another thread last week. The constant islam bashing is going to stop.
4/23/2007 10:39:41 AM EDT
[#41]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
No suprise to me, I have seen many selfless acts of heroism performed by muslims.

January, 2005 I watched and Iraqi policeman recognize a suicide bomber seconds before he detonated himself next to a line of people waiting to vote.  He threw himself on the guy and absorbed a lot of the blast.  It still killed 8 people, but would have been a lot worse if not for the actions of that brave man.  The biggest piece of him we found was a foot.  

About a half and hour later, most of the people had returned to vote.  He gave his life for his country and its future.  We give people from our country CMHs for that kind of thing.  I could go on and on.


"THAT" is bravery and heroism.



and "THAT" post will be ignored by 90% of the arfcom useful idiots.




If you don't like it here, you can always leave.  I think we can do without you blessing us with your superior presence.

Regardless, the heroic acts of "Muslims" (read: Arabs) really don't do much to refute anything about the religion of Islam.

There are plenty of good people that are Muslims to varying degrees, great people in fact, which does not change one single bit that when followed to the letter as plenty of other Muslims do it is opposed to the West and the Free World in practically every way imaginable.


Read the code of conduct if you wish to continue having an account on this site.

I said this in another thread last week. The constant islam bashing is going to stop.


Go ahead and let me know which code I broke.
4/23/2007 10:42:08 AM EDT
[#42]
Regardless, the heroic acts of "Muslims" (read: Arabs) really don't do much to refute anything about the religion of Islam.


Posting derogatory comments of a racial, religious, or sexual nature.

Bye
4/23/2007 10:49:01 AM EDT
[#43]


I would expect the same out out of any person not consumed by their religion based hatred of the U.S.




4/23/2007 10:55:04 AM EDT
[#44]

Quoted:
Regardless, the heroic acts of "Muslims" (read: Arabs) really don't do much to refute anything about the religion of Islam.


Posting derogatory comments of a racial, religious, or sexual nature.

Bye


Thanks!

El Camino, I wonder if you knew that Iranians are not Arabs. Do you like Iranians?

To say that all muslims are Arabs is like saying all white skinned people are from France, or that all Spanish speaking people are from Mexico. Your ignorance of Muslims, Arabs which is the very core of the current conflict in Iraq (persian backed shiites hating on arab backed suunis, vice versa) once again rears its ugly head.
4/23/2007 10:58:54 AM EDT
[#45]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Regardless, the heroic acts of "Muslims" (read: Arabs) really don't do much to refute anything about the religion of Islam.


Posting derogatory comments of a racial, religious, or sexual nature.

Bye


Thanks!

El Camino, I wonder if you knew that Iranians are not Arabs. Do you like Iranians?

To say that all muslims are Arabs is like saying all white skinned people are from France, or that all Spanish speaking people are from Mexico. Your ignorance of Muslims, Arabs which is the very core of the current conflict in Iraq (persian backed shiites hating on arab backed suunis, vice versa) once again rears its ugly head.


And this is exactly why I still consider most of the Keyboard Krusaders here to be racists.
No, Islam is not a race, but for so many of them here, their hatred of it is based in part on the race of the majority of its adherents.
4/23/2007 11:02:25 AM EDT
[#46]
But the real question is, did he like pie ?
4/23/2007 11:05:05 AM EDT
[#47]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Regardless, the heroic acts of "Muslims" (read: Arabs) really don't do much to refute anything about the religion of Islam.


Posting derogatory comments of a racial, religious, or sexual nature.

Bye


Thanks!

El Camino, I wonder if you knew that Iranians are not Arabs. Do you like Iranians?

To say that all muslims are Arabs is like saying all white skinned people are from France, or that all Spanish speaking people are from Mexico. Your ignorance of Muslims, Arabs which is the very core of the current conflict in Iraq (persian backed shiites hating on arab backed suunis, vice versa) once again rears its ugly head.


I wonder if we should tell him that the largest Muslim nation is actually Asian?
4/23/2007 11:09:27 AM EDT
[#48]

Quoted:

And this is exactly why I still consider most of the Keyboard Krusaders here to be racists.
No, Islam is not a race, but for so many of them here, their hatred of it is based in part on the race of the majority MINORITY of its adherents.


Arabs are not the majority race in Islam. I'm pretty sure it's asian (or whatever indonesians are classified as)

Either way, I don't think the majority of those that dislike Islam hate them for racial reasons - they hate them for the actions that have been carried out in the name of Islam. That is not racist, it's not really even theological.
4/23/2007 11:09:57 AM EDT
[#49]
I'm not sure why this is surprising. Muslims don't inherently have a nature that's any worse than buddhists, hindus, jews, christians, or anyone else. There's no reason to be surprised just because someone who did something for apparently altruistic reasons happened to be a muslim.






edit:

wow, I ought to read the whole thread before posting. I'd have stayed completely out of this one.
4/23/2007 11:12:30 AM EDT
[#50]

Quoted:

Quoted:

And this is exactly why I still consider most of the Keyboard Krusaders here to be racists.
No, Islam is not a race, but for so many of them here, their hatred of it is based in part on the race of the majority MINORITY of its adherents.


Arabs are not the majority race in Islam. I'm pretty sure it's asian (or whatever indonesians are classified as)

Either way, I don't think the majority of those that dislike Islam hate them for racial reasons - they hate them for the actions that have been carried out in the name of Islam. That is not racist, it's not really even theological.



I'm sorry, really.
That was a major brain fart.
I meant to say "Arabs are presented as the majority race in Islam"
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