Posted: 2/17/2010 11:29:15 AM EDT
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Anyone els find this to be completly waste of time??
It's completly bullshit IMO. It SUCKS and incon-fucking-sistant. Its happened to my on more then one occasion now. The first one i got a delay and it took them 30 days... 30days.. no BS. To get approved. The 2nd time the website is down, and then a delay, and now a delay agian... WTF?? I dont have a common name and no criminal records. Anyone els goes through this BS process? |
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Anyone els find this to be completly waste of time?? It's completly bullshit IMO. It SUCKS and incon-fucking-sistant. Its happened to my on more then one occasion now. The first one i got a delay and it took them 30 days... 30days.. no BS. To get approved. The 2nd time the website is down, and then a delay, and now a delay agian... WTF?? I dont have a common name and no criminal records. Anyone els goes through this BS process? You can't get delayed for 30 days on a NICS check. If they don't respond within 3 business days, then you are allowed to transfer the firearm. You should have picked up your gun if they delayed you that long. Either your gun dealer lied to you about the long delay, or you're in a state that does not use NICS checks, and were delayed through some other system. As for the website being down, your dealer can also call them in. I've never been unable to complete a NICS call at work. And if you're getting delayed multiple times, you can contact NICS and get a PIN number to speed things up, get your concealed carry permit if available, or just deal with it. |
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Anyone els find this to be completly waste of time?? It's completly bullshit IMO. It SUCKS and incon-fucking-sistant. Its happened to my on more then one occasion now. The first one i got a delay and it took them 30 days... 30days.. no BS. To get approved. The 2nd time the website is down, and then a delay, and now a delay agian... WTF?? I dont have a common name and no criminal records. Anyone els goes through this BS process? You can't get delayed for 30 days on a NICS check. If they don't respond within 3 business days, then you are allowed to transfer the firearm. Either your gun dealer lied to you about the delay, or you're in a state that does not use NICS checks. that and they don't have to use the computer to submit a NICS. do they not have a fucking telephone? 
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Quoted: Quoted: Anyone els find this to be completly waste of time?? It's completly bullshit IMO. It SUCKS and incon-fucking-sistant. Its happened to my on more then one occasion now. The first one i got a delay and it took them 30 days... 30days.. no BS. To get approved. The 2nd time the website is down, and then a delay, and now a delay agian... WTF?? I dont have a common name and no criminal records. Anyone els goes through this BS process? You can't get delayed for 30 days on a NICS check. If they don't respond within 3 business days, then you are allowed to transfer the firearm. You should have picked up your gun if they delayed you that long. Either your gun dealer lied to you about the long delay, or you're in a state that does not use NICS checks, and were delayed through some other system. As for the website being down, your dealer can also call them in. I've never been unable to complete a NICS call at work. And if you're getting delayed multiple times, you can contact NICS and get a PIN number to speed things up, get your concealed carry permit if available, or just deal with it. this, no way a NICS check can take longer than3 business days. The NICS Examiner will provide the FFL with the date of the third business day after the firearm check was initiated. Business days do not include the day the check was initiated, Saturdays, Sundays, and any day state offices in the state of purchase are closed. If the FFL has not received from the NICS a final determination after three business days have elapsed since the delay response, it is within the FFL’s discretion whether or not to transfer the firearm (if state law permits the transfer). If the FFL transfers the firearm, the FFL must mark “No resolution was provided within three business days” on line 21d of the ATF Form 4473. It is recommended the FFL record the date provided in the delay response on which the firearm may be lawfully transferred under federal law if a final determination of proceed or denied is not received from the NICS. When a transaction is DELAYED, the NICS Examiner begins extensive research on the potential prohibitor. When the research is complete, the NICS Examiner calls the FFL and gives a PROCEED or DENY decision on the firearm transaction. |
| I have to deal with the NICS people in my job sometimes. For awhile I was helping out another department and entering their mail into this new system they created to run records. NICS often requests background checks from us, they can now do it online, but many still would try to fax it in. If they faxed it in it wouldn't get touched for days at a time. I would be entering in a basket full of mail and find faxed in NICS background requests that were two weeks old. |
| The 30day BS was over xmas and i dont know if that makes any differance. But he told me to come pick the stuff up after three days, when i went to pick my lowers up the status was still delayed. And litterally 30days later he called me and told me it finally gave him the go ahead.... |
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Yup. NICS checks are reason enough to obtain a CCW permit. In the state of Florida, having a CCW makes no difference on the NICS, I get conditionals all the time. Makes no rhyme or reason. It's the moron on the other end playing low level bureaucrat God for peanuts an hour. The UPIN is the same thing too, with just a permanent record of you and your registered guns...btw, what happens if you do a private transfer afterward....SOL! |
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this, no way a NICS check can take longer than3 business days. [div] The NICS Examiner will provide the FFL with the date of the thirdbusiness day after the firearm check was initiated. Business days donot include the day the check was initiated, Saturdays, Sundays, andany day state offices in the state of purchase are closed. If the FFLhas not received from the NICS a final determination after threebusiness days have elapsed since the delay response, it is within theFFL’s discretion whether or not to transfer the firearm (if state lawpermits the transfer). If the FFL transfers the firearm, the FFL mustmark “No resolution was provided within three business days” on line21d of the ATF Form 4473. It is recommended the FFL record the dateprovided in the delay response on which the firearm may be lawfullytransferred under federal law if a final determination of proceed ordenied is not received from the NICS.
It's more like 5 days if you read the statute. It's AFTER 3days, not including the delay day. So, day 1 is the next day and you have to wait until AFTER 3 business days have passed. So, it you get delayed on Wednesday, Thursday is day 1, Friday is day 2, Monday is day 3 and you can pick up the gun (if the FFL lets you) on Tuesday. It's even worse if there is a holiday in the way. Only in government can 3 days equal 5. |
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The 30day BS was over xmas and i dont know if that makes any differance. But he told me to come pick the stuff up after three days, when i went to pick my lowers up the status was still delayed. And litterally 30days later he called me and told me it finally gave him the go ahead.... That's your dealer's fault. He should have let you take the lowers. After 3 days, it doesn't matter if the NICS status is still delayed. 3 business days is the maximum amount of time you can be delayed without a definitive answer from NICS. After that, the dealer can transfer the weapon. ETA: Wait. Were you delayed a total of 33 days? The first 3 day period, followed by 30 additional days? If so, your dealer shouldn't have transferred the lowers after that long of a delay. 4473 forms are valid for 30 days from the original date of completion. Even if your check came back as a proceed, 30 days would have lapsed and you would have needed to complete another check. |
| They use old timey equipment for that system, or at least they did when I was involved with a part of it twenty years ago. If I remember correctly, it was based on an IBM mainframe with terminals that were old even then, probably ten years older than what was current. Everyone with a need to access had some sort of mainframe line running into their office - not familiar with the technical aspects of that, just observations. |
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this, no way a NICS check can take longer than3 business days. [div] The NICS Examiner will provide the FFL with the date of the thirdbusiness day after the firearm check was initiated. Business days donot include the day the check was initiated, Saturdays, Sundays, andany day state offices in the state of purchase are closed. If the FFLhas not received from the NICS a final determination after threebusiness days have elapsed since the delay response, it is within theFFL’s discretion whether or not to transfer the firearm (if state lawpermits the transfer). If the FFL transfers the firearm, the FFL mustmark “No resolution was provided within three business days” on line21d of the ATF Form 4473. It is recommended the FFL record the dateprovided in the delay response on which the firearm may be lawfullytransferred under federal law if a final determination of proceed ordenied is not received from the NICS.
It's more like 5 days if you read the statute. It's AFTER 3days, not including the delay day. So, day 1 is the next day and you have to wait until AFTER 3 business days have passed. So, it you get delayed on Wednesday, Thursday is day 1, Friday is day 2, Monday is day 3 and you can pick up the gun (if the FFL lets you) on Tuesday. It's even worse if there is a holiday in the way. Only in government can 3 days equal 5. This is exactly true, I purchased a WASR last month at a gun show and they gave me a conditional at the gun show I bought it at, the transferee gun shop did another NICS the day they received it (Monday, I bought it the Sat. before) and called me to tell me I received a denial!!!! I ended up calling the FBI NICS center in West Virginia and they 'splained' things to me. Their advice was to just wait a day and redo the NICS at the new dealer....which I did and guess what...another conditional approval. Unfortunately it was over the Dr. Martin Luther King Holiday so the three day wait turned into about 7 days with weekends and day of and full last day....sickening! I have all the UPIN info in hand and have decided to not do it from the advice of a friend (NYPD Sergeant) that made the argument of....what happens if down the road you sell a gun and something popped up on your record, they'd be able to send the cops over to your house and demand you turn in your weapons. We'll forget fighting the mistake on your record, you're going to jail because you refuse to produce one of these "registered guns"!!! Like he said, mistakes happen all the time and it's better to have them destroy your purchase records and go through the bureaucrat hassle. |
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Quoted: Yup. NICS checks are reason enough to obtain a CCW permit. A bill was presented to the governor of CO so that CCW permit holders could skip the check. He turned it down. Then, a year later, he says he wants to propose an extra "fee" to gun purchases to help pay for the poor, overworked NICS people... |
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Never had a problem. Of course, Florida does it's own NICS, and I have an usual name (not a lot of criminals with my name). The Florida system is called the FDLE and it's backed up by NICS iirc. Funny thing is my CCW permit is obviously registered with them but they don't care about it in the least when i have a check done. They only care that I have a common name and even my social security number doesn't clear me. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: this, no way a NICS check can take longer than3 business days. [div] The NICS Examiner will provide the FFL with the date of the thirdbusiness day after the firearm check was initiated. Business days donot include the day the check was initiated, Saturdays, Sundays, andany day state offices in the state of purchase are closed. If the FFLhas not received from the NICS a final determination after threebusiness days have elapsed since the delay response, it is within theFFL’s discretion whether or not to transfer the firearm (if state lawpermits the transfer). If the FFL transfers the firearm, the FFL mustmark “No resolution was provided within three business days” on line21d of the ATF Form 4473. It is recommended the FFL record the dateprovided in the delay response on which the firearm may be lawfullytransferred under federal law if a final determination of proceed ordenied is not received from the NICS. It's more like 5 days if you read the statute. It's AFTER 3days, not including the delay day. So, day 1 is the next day and you have to wait until AFTER 3 business days have passed. So, it you get delayed on Wednesday, Thursday is day 1, Friday is day 2, Monday is day 3 and you can pick up the gun (if the FFL lets you) on Tuesday. It's even worse if there is a holiday in the way. Only in government can 3 days equal 5. This is exactly true, I purchased a WASR last month at a gun show and they gave me a conditional at the gun show I bought it at, the transferee gun shop did another NICS the day they received it (Monday, I bought it the Sat. before) and called me to tell me I received a denial!!!! I ended up calling the FBI NICS center in West Virginia and they 'splained' things to me. Their advice was to just wait a day and redo the NICS at the new dealer....which I did and guess what...another conditional approval. Unfortunately it was over the Dr. Martin Luther King Holiday so the three day wait turned into about 7 days with weekends and day of and full last day....sickening! I have all the UPIN info in hand and have decided to not do it from the advice of a friend (NYPD Sergeant) that made the argument of....what happens if down the road you sell a gun and something popped up on your record, they'd be able to send the cops over to your house and demand you turn in your weapons. We'll forget fighting the mistake on your record, you're going to jail because you refuse to produce one of these "registered guns"!!! Like he said, mistakes happen all the time and it's better to have them destroy your purchase records and go through the bureaucrat hassle. |
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A bill was presented to the governor of CO so that CCW permit holders could skip the check. He turned it down. Then, a year later, he says he wants to propose an extra "fee" to gun purchases to help pay for the poor, overworked NICS people... I do not much care for that gentleman. Hell, elections are a strain on the budget. Why not have a "fee" to vote? Not a poll-tax of course, that'd be wrong. Just a small fee to offset the staggering costs of administering an election. |
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Yup. NICS checks are reason enough to obtain a CCW permit. The problem is that the Concealed Carry License doe's not bypass the NIC's check in all states! Personally, I'm not sure that I have a problem with that. I've witnessed several instances where individuals had a valid (once even a brand-spanking-new) concealed weapons permit, and were rightfully denied by NICS/FDLE. "Fuck, you mean they already know about what happened last night!? Shiiit man...that sucks... Well, cya later!" Yeah... As far as the 30 days goes, while it's true that a dealer can transfer before then, where I used to work it was standard policy to almost never do so, particularly when we received a "conditional non-approval". It wasn't a denial, but they were pretty strenuously emphasizing that they didn't want to see the weapon get transferred. In one instance I had a customer wait a full 30 days, and by the end of the time he was coming in and having me call FDLE every two or three days. Once the 30 days passed, the whole issue became moot anyways because the background check itself had technically expired, and would have to be re-done. Cases like that were typically due to having to obtain records from out-of-state agencies that failed to follow-up. Immigration issues, Illinois, and one or two other states, seemed to me to be the worst at failing to send the information back to FDLE in a timely manner. |
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I kinda skimmed through this thread but who is your dealer? If it was delayed after 3-4 days you can just come in and pick it up.
Section 21C of the 4473 reads "(Complete if Applicable) After the firearm was transferred, the follwoing response was received from NICS or the appropriate state agency ________(Date) ______Precede______Denied_____Cancelled. You should have been able to pick it up and your FFL would have filled in 21C after they get a response back. |
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The 30day BS was over xmas and i dont know if that makes any differance. But he told me to come pick the stuff up after three days, when i went to pick my lowers up the status was still delayed. And litterally 30days later he called me and told me it finally gave him the go ahead.... More and more dealers are refusing to release firearms w/o a NICS approval. I guess since Wal-Mart and Cabelas do it, they know they can get away with it. As someone that is always delayed, that means I can't buy firearms from most of the biggest dealers in this state.z |
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Anyone els find this to be completly waste of time?? It's completly bullshit IMO. It SUCKS and incon-fucking-sistant. Its happened to my on more then one occasion now. The first one i got a delay and it took them 30 days... 30days.. no BS. To get approved. The 2nd time the website is down, and then a delay, and now a delay agian... WTF?? I dont have a common name and no criminal records. Anyone els goes through this BS process? And 100 prohibited persons got denied. Nics stops A LOT of transfers of firearms that are legitimately not supposed to be. |
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Quoted: I've never waited more than 5 minutes except at gun shows, and that's only because their is a stack of papers in front of mine. In VA we don't use NICS as the state had it's own system before NICS came around. Here they send a background check form to the local PD. If they don't hear back by the end of the seven day waiting period the gun is yours. Of course, if you have a CCW you are exempt from both the background check and waiting period. |
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2 years ago I bought a Glock at a local dealer and got a hold... they told me to come back after 3 days... about 20 minutes later I got a call from the dealer that the local PD was there to detain me for being a convicted felon attempting to purchase a firearm...
I had gone through a pretty significant case of ID theft with multiple felonies committed under my name, and the person was eventually arrested and convicted... I had to go back to the dealer and meet the officer and provide my stack of paperwork to back it all up... At the time of the attempted purchase I had already completed and received my CCW after providing all the paperwork to backup everything related to the ID theft and thought everything was behind me, so the call from the dealer came as a bit of a surprise. I had to again submit all the paperwork for the UPIN to the US DOJ to get things cleared up, and that took about 2 months to get completed. Now when I purchase anything, I have to provide the UPIN, and whenever the dealer forgets to give them the info, turns into an extended NICS session while everything gets sorted out... Pain in the ass... |
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The 30day BS was over xmas and i dont know if that makes any differance. But he told me to come pick the stuff up after three days, when i went to pick my lowers up the status was still delayed. And litterally 30days later he called me and told me it finally gave him the go ahead.... That's your dealer's fault. He should have let you take the lowers. After 3 days, it doesn't matter if the NICS status is still delayed. 3 business days is the maximum amount of time you can be delayed without a definitive answer from NICS. After that, the dealer can transfer the weapon. ETA: Wait. Were you delayed a total of 33 days? The first 3 day period, followed by 30 additional days? If so, your dealer shouldn't have transferred the lowers after that long of a delay. 4473 forms are valid for 30 days from the original date of completion. Even if your check came back as a proceed, 30 days would have lapsed and you would have needed to complete another check. We're getting one side of the story. The FFL hasn't chimed in with the other details. |
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Yup. NICS checks are reason enough to obtain a CCW permit. Yep. It expedites the process. not in AL Not in MA either, I've even seen cops get delayed, I have been once but the shop owner called them back and was able to get it cleared, still have no idea why and they won't tell you. |