Posted: 12/7/2015 10:04:33 AM EDT
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A peek into the nonsense we deal with in NJ. I doubt this will actually go anywhere, but if any of you were curious just what we are up against, here's part 1.
Part 1 of Future Victims of NJ exposes blatant discrimination in firearm permit denials in Orange NJ police department. Share this video and let our governor and legislators know that the lives of all women, disabled, and every class of NJ citizen matters and deserves protection. part 1 I'm at work and on my phone. Please embed. |
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My sources tell me that there is STILL no fence around NJ, and people are STILL free to leave. I am planning on leaving. But it's not as easy as just picking up and going. I have a job, a family. I need to plan and prepare. I really hate the, "Move" responses. |
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My nieces husband just retired from the job , his administrative buddy helped him fill out the forms for his CCW , which he now has , it started a "lively" debate at a family party Saturday night .  HELPED him?? Its not frigging rocket surgery Whatever the case , his life seems to be more important than mine |
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My sources tell me that there is STILL no fence around NJ, and people are STILL free to leave. I am planning on leaving. But it's not as easy as just picking up and going. I have a job, a family. I need to plan and prepare. I really hate the, "Move" responses. Unless you have recently become enlightened concerning the pitfalls of living in NJ you should have started that process long ago if you are serious. |
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Whatever the case , his life seems to be more important than mine Quoted:
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My nieces husband just retired from the job , his administrative buddy helped him fill out the forms for his CCW , which he now has , it started a "lively" debate at a family party Saturday night . HELPED him?? Its not frigging rocket surgery Whatever the case , his life seems to be more important than mine So you'd rather your Niece, or her husband, or both, Dead, than he take advantage of the opportunity just because YOU cant??? At any time did he express the belief that Joe Citizen shouldnt be allowed to?? You DO understand that it's Not the Police that is the problem with this right???? the Judiciary has a complete lock on it |
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So you'd rather your Niece, or her husband, or both, Dead, than he take advantage of the opportunity just because YOU cant??? At any time did he express the belief that Joe Citizen shouldnt be allowed to?? You DO understand that it's Not the Police that is the problem with this right???? the Judiciary has a complete lock on it Quoted:
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My nieces husband just retired from the job , his administrative buddy helped him fill out the forms for his CCW , which he now has , it started a "lively" debate at a family party Saturday night . HELPED him?? Its not frigging rocket surgery Whatever the case , his life seems to be more important than mine So you'd rather your Niece, or her husband, or both, Dead, than he take advantage of the opportunity just because YOU cant??? At any time did he express the belief that Joe Citizen shouldnt be allowed to?? You DO understand that it's Not the Police that is the problem with this right???? the Judiciary has a complete lock on it I didn't say that , you said that , I said I guess his life is more important than mine , how do you extrapolate that into I'd rather them dead , it's the fucking system , did I hurt your feels . |
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I didn't say that , you said that , I said I guess his life is more important than mine , how do you extrapolate that into I'd rather them dead , it's the fucking system , did I hurt your feels . Quoted:
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My nieces husband just retired from the job , his administrative buddy helped him fill out the forms for his CCW , which he now has , it started a "lively" debate at a family party Saturday night . HELPED him?? Its not frigging rocket surgery Whatever the case , his life seems to be more important than mine So you'd rather your Niece, or her husband, or both, Dead, than he take advantage of the opportunity just because YOU cant??? At any time did he express the belief that Joe Citizen shouldnt be allowed to?? You DO understand that it's Not the Police that is the problem with this right???? the Judiciary has a complete lock on it I didn't say that , you said that , I said I guess his life is more important than mine , how do you extrapolate that into I'd rather them dead , it's the fucking system , did I hurt your feels . THAT is the problem. No feels hurt...You'd have to matter to me for that to happen.. I dont know who you are, nor do i really care. You're the one that seemed to have the hurt feels because "I guess his life is more important" whine. I'll be working to get CCW for You until the day i dust the last of the state's dirt off my boots..but im not going to stop carrying just because you guys get butthurt over it. |
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My sources tell me that there is STILL no fence around NJ, and people are STILL free to leave. Only an exit tax if you have an out-of-state address at the time you sell. Rent/Move in with a friend at the time of the closing, and you're covered...one of the first things I checked with my Accountant when i bought. A little forethought and planning makes all the difference. |
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THAT is the problem. No feels hurt...You'd have to matter to me for that to happen.. I dont know who you are, nor do i really care. You're the one that seemed to have the hurt feels because "I guess his life is more important" whine. I'll be working to get CCW for You until the day i dust the last of the state's dirt off my boots..but im not going to stop carrying just because you guys get butthurt over it. I thank you for your efforts , i also didn't ask anyone to stop carrying because I can't , again you are extrapolating . |
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My nieces husband just retired from the job , his administrative buddy helped him fill out the forms for his CCW , which he now has , it started a "lively" debate at a family party Saturday night . HELPED him?? Its not frigging rocket surgery Whatever the case , his life seems to be more important than mine So you'd rather your Niece, or her husband, or both, Dead, than he take advantage of the opportunity just because YOU cant??? At any time did he express the belief that Joe Citizen shouldnt be allowed to?? You DO understand that it's Not the Police that is the problem with this right???? the Judiciary has a complete lock on it I didn't say that , you said that , I said I guess his life is more important than mine , how do you extrapolate that into I'd rather them dead , it's the fucking system , did I hurt your feels . You did hurt his feels. Cops get very touchy when you put them at the same level as a normal citizen. Heaven forbid they not be able to carry their gun. I got into it at my part time job working a gun counter with a cop from Maryland. Tried to skirt residency requirements by claiming he was deputized, that's great there pumpkin but that doesn't remove the residency requirement and the 10-round limit imposed by your state. Then he went on about how he carries and I asked him how he felt bragging about being able to carry a gun while trashing the Constitutional right of others to carry a gun. He then tried to berate me saying how if I was getting robbed how I would be glad that he were there. So I replied, that if cops like you didn't push for the disarmament of civilians I would have been able to defend myself without needing a cop there. He stormed off. Guess he doesn't like the fact that civilians should have guns as the Constitution allows |
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Only an exit tax if you have an out-of-state address at the time you sell. Rent/Move in with a friend at the time of the closing, and you're covered...one of the first things I checked with my Accountant when i bought. A little forethought and planning makes all the difference. Quoted:
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My sources tell me that there is STILL no fence around NJ, and people are STILL free to leave. Only an exit tax if you have an out-of-state address at the time you sell. Rent/Move in with a friend at the time of the closing, and you're covered...one of the first things I checked with my Accountant when i bought. A little forethought and planning makes all the difference. Last I heard was they bumped it out to a year, not just the time of closing. |
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My sources tell me that there is STILL no fence around NJ, and people are STILL free to leave. Only an exit tax if you have an out-of-state address at the time you sell. Rent/Move in with a friend at the time of the closing, and you're covered...one of the first things I checked with my Accountant when i bought. A little forethought and planning makes all the difference. Last I heard was they bumped it out to a year, not just the time of closing. Crap.....thats certainly possible, especially with Christie at the helm.. it;s been 8 years since I asked about it |
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[ You did hurt his feels. Cops get very touchy when you put them at the same level as a normal citizen. Heaven forbid they not be able to carry their gun. I got into it at my part time job working a gun counter with a cop from Maryland. Tried to skirt residency requirements by claiming he was deputized, that's great there pumpkin but that doesn't remove the residency requirement and the 10-round limit imposed by your state. Then he went on about how he carries and I asked him how he felt bragging about being able to carry a gun while trashing the Constitutional right of others to carry a gun. He then tried to berate me saying how if I was getting robbed how I would be glad that he were there. So I replied, that if cops like you didn't push for the disarmament of civilians I would have been able to defend myself without needing a cop there. He stormed off. Guess he doesn't like the fact that civilians should have guns as the Constitution allows  
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Rule Number One of New Jersey Gun Papers: You want it for target shooting. You don't want it for self defense, even in your house.
That cop was actually pretty reasonable for New Jersey, under the circumstances. Many of them treat you like you're a space alien when you ask for the paperwork and if you say the S word, they'll deny your permit to purchase it. You'll also get an argument featuring every liberal cliche about gun control. My favorite one remains, "We have to keep these things off the streets!" "Yes, Officer Cementhead, my plan was to spend seventy five bucks on a three month long state and federal investigation so I could register my new gun with the city and state and then give it to a crack dealer. You figured it out. And I would have gotten away with it if weren't for those meddling kids..." If you're curious, the republican parts of the state are the same as the democrat controlled areas. I'm so glad I got out of there. |
| So far just about everyone i've shown that second video to has been AMAZED at how difficult the state makes things, the majority of people who have not actually Done the process have no damn clue..same with the ones who havent moved, or bought a handgun in 20-odd years. The one question that NOBODY at NJSP Wants to answer is WHY, in this age of Instant Information, when EVERYTHING is done Electronically is it taking 5, 10, in some cases FIFTEEN TIMES as long to get through the process than it did when everything was done on paper, and through the US Mail? I got my FPID and first Handgun permits in 1985 It took, 3 weeks. Subsequent handgun permits took about a week, and it was only THAT long because the Chief at the time only signed permits on Mondays. WHere I live now, it's 7-8 weeks from dropoff to pickup, wheras when I Moved here, it was around 2 weeks. And of course, NJSP, who is supposed to have oversight over the process, and be the Dispute Arbiter, in communities they "Service" Run 6-8 MONTHS or longer. We cant go to the Courts, because if given the opportunity, they would bar everyone from owning firearms. The democrats who hold measurable Majorities in both houses are pretty much ALL antigun ranging from "Confiscate Confiscate Confiscate" (LOretta Weinberg) to FUDDs (Senate President Steve Sweeney...who also has one of the 1200 Carry permits in the state). And, when Sweeney is Elected Governor next year, he's already said that he'll sign eacn and every gun bill that comes across his Desk because we tried to get him recalled. I fully expect the NJ legislature in 2017 to try and make California and NY look like Bastions of freedom. On the plus side, they MAY go so far as to Force SCOTUS to rule on the whole shitshow, the problem being of course, that's no guarantee. |
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Quoted: So far just about everyone i've shown that second video to has been AMAZED at how difficult the state makes things, the majority of people who have not actually Done the process have no damn clue..same with the ones who havent moved, or bought a handgun in 20-odd years. The one question that NOBODY at NJSP Wants to answer is WHY, in this age of Instant Information, when EVERYTHING is done Electronically is it taking 5, 10, in some cases FIFTEEN TIMES as long to get through the process than it did when everything was done on paper, and through the US Mail? I got my FPID and first Handgun permits in 1985 It took, 3 weeks. Subsequent handgun permits took about a week, and it was only THAT long because the Chief at the time only signed permits on Mondays. WHere I live now, it's 7-8 weeks from dropoff to pickup, wheras when I Moved here, it was around 2 weeks. And of course, NJSP, who is supposed to have oversight over the process, and be the Dispute Arbiter, in communities they "Service" Run 6-8 MONTHS or longer. We cant go to the Courts, because if given the opportunity, they would bar everyone from owning firearms. The democrats who hold measurable Majorities in both houses are pretty much ALL antigun ranging from "Confiscate Confiscate Confiscate" (LOretta Weinberg) to FUDDs (Senate President Steve Sweeney...who also has one of the 1200 Carry permits in the state). And, when Sweeney is Elected Governor next year, he's already said that he'll sign eacn and every gun bill that comes across his Desk because we tried to get him recalled. I fully expect the NJ legislature in 2017 to try and make California and NY look like Bastions of freedom. On the plus side, they MAY go so far as to Force SCOTUS to rule on the whole shitshow, the problem being of course, that's no guarantee. |
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So far just about everyone i've shown that second video to has been AMAZED at how difficult the state makes things, the majority of people who have not actually Done the process have no damn clue..same with the ones who havent moved, or bought a handgun in 20-odd years. The one question that NOBODY at NJSP Wants to answer is WHY, in this age of Instant Information, when EVERYTHING is done Electronically is it taking 5, 10, in some cases FIFTEEN TIMES as long to get through the process than it did when everything was done on paper, and through the US Mail? I got my FPID and first Handgun permits in 1985 It took, 3 weeks. Subsequent handgun permits took about a week, and it was only THAT long because the Chief at the time only signed permits on Mondays. WHere I live now, it's 7-8 weeks from dropoff to pickup, wheras when I Moved here, it was around 2 weeks. And of course, NJSP, who is supposed to have oversight over the process, and be the Dispute Arbiter, in communities they "Service" Run 6-8 MONTHS or longer. We cant go to the Courts, because if given the opportunity, they would bar everyone from owning firearms. The democrats who hold measurable Majorities in both houses are pretty much ALL antigun ranging from "Confiscate Confiscate Confiscate" (LOretta Weinberg) to FUDDs (Senate President Steve Sweeney...who also has one of the 1200 Carry permits in the state). And, when Sweeney is Elected Governor next year, he's already said that he'll sign eacn and every gun bill that comes across his Desk because we tried to get him recalled. I fully expect the NJ legislature in 2017 to try and make California and NY look like Bastions of freedom. On the plus side, they MAY go so far as to Force SCOTUS to rule on the whole shitshow, the problem being of course, that's no guarantee. There's case law that got rid of the 30 day time limit to process the application. I'm pretty sure it's in the S.A., which I can no longer access. |
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If you're curious, the republican parts of the state are the same as the democrat controlled areas. I'm so glad I got out of there. Some are better than others. I was told that Jersey City of all places typically got PPP & FID cards out in 30 - 60 days. Most other people I've talked to waited up to 6 months or longer. |
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Rule Number One of New Jersey Gun Papers: You want it for target shooting. You don't want it for self defense, even in your house. That cop was actually pretty reasonable for New Jersey, under the circumstances. Many of them treat you like you're a space alien when you ask for the paperwork and if you say the S word, they'll deny your permit to purchase it. You'll also get an argument featuring every liberal cliche about gun control. My favorite one remains, "We have to keep these things off the streets!" "Yes, Officer Cementhead, my plan was to spend seventy five bucks on a three month long state and federal investigation so I could register my new gun with the city and state and then give it to a crack dealer. You figured it out. And I would have gotten away with it if weren't for those meddling kids..." If you're curious, the republican parts of the state are the same as the democrat controlled areas. I'm so glad I got out of there. Definitely pretty tame compared to my first experience. When I inquired at the Clifton PD the two officers behind the glass actually came out and started interrogating me about why I wanted one. They were pretty aggressive and I ended up leaving the station without the packet that they refused to give me until I answered all their questions. I came back a second time, different officers, but same questions. I eventually got the packet and that's when the fun started. It was kind of like the money pit. "Two weeks" was all I heard for almost 5 months. AJK and Voodoo are quite obviously progun, but I would suggest they are the exception. I've done this now in 3 different counties, one of which is about as republican as they come. All of them gave me the runaround, and even the repub town unlawfully sent an unsolicited character reference letter to my employer. That was a fun HR conversation. |
| I have a hard time believing it is NJSP sitting on these if you file with a town. I got my initial FPID in February within a week. I got some more handgun permits in 3 weeks back in October. But even my town includes extra paperwork in direct violation of the law and won't process it without the extra paperwork. I really think it's the individual towns that are stalling the process, unless I hit the NJSP lottery in processing times. I do know that anyone who applies directly through the NJSP always waits 4+ months in direct violation of the law. But I doubt anyone will be arrested and thrown in jail for willfully breaking the law by their fellow police officers. |
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My sources tell me that there is STILL no fence around NJ, and people are STILL free to leave. but then they'd move to a red state and fuck it up Not always..... I moved out of that God forsaken state. First thing I did was to get an 01 FFL, second a CCW. |
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So far just about everyone i've shown that second video to has been AMAZED at how difficult the state makes things, the majority of people who have not actually Done the process have no damn clue..same with the ones who havent moved, or bought a handgun in 20-odd years. The one question that NOBODY at NJSP Wants to answer is WHY, in this age of Instant Information, when EVERYTHING is done Electronically is it taking 5, 10, in some cases FIFTEEN TIMES as long to get through the process than it did when everything was done on paper, and through the US Mail? I got my FPID and first Handgun permits in 1985 It took, 3 weeks. Subsequent handgun permits took about a week, and it was only THAT long because the Chief at the time only signed permits on Mondays. WHere I live now, it's 7-8 weeks from dropoff to pickup, wheras when I Moved here, it was around 2 weeks. And of course, NJSP, who is supposed to have oversight over the process, and be the Dispute Arbiter, in communities they "Service" Run 6-8 MONTHS or longer. We cant go to the Courts, because if given the opportunity, they would bar everyone from owning firearms. The democrats who hold measurable Majorities in both houses are pretty much ALL antigun ranging from "Confiscate Confiscate Confiscate" (LOretta Weinberg) to FUDDs (Senate President Steve Sweeney...who also has one of the 1200 Carry permits in the state). And, when Sweeney is Elected Governor next year, he's already said that he'll sign eacn and every gun bill that comes across his Desk because we tried to get him recalled. I fully expect the NJ legislature in 2017 to try and make California and NY look like Bastions of freedom. On the plus side, they MAY go so far as to Force SCOTUS to rule on the whole shitshow, the problem being of course, that's no guarantee. Ummm, no, it is the exact opposite of what you think. Politicians don't give a fuck about what line cops think. Because they have a lot more ways to fuck with line cops than they do with Suzi Soccer mom. Just for example, very agency I have worked for has had policies about politics. Limiting when and what you can talk about to out right bans on running for office without specified officials permission. As far as responsibility, it is equal. We all have the same right to vote. We all have one vote. If every cop in my county votes for something or some one (way less than a hundred), 3000 people vote against us, and 4000 are too lazy to show the fuck up, why does the cop have a greater responsibility to fix it than any other citizen? |
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My sources tell me that there is STILL no fence around NJ, and people are STILL free to leave. I am planning on leaving. But it's not as easy as just picking up and going. I have a job, a family. I need to plan and prepare. I really hate the, "Move" responses. Unless you have recently become enlightened concerning the pitfalls of living in NJ you should have started that process long ago if you are serious. I lived in Colorado for a time too. Moved back to Jersey because of a "situation" and I had family here. You're response is bullshit. Not everyone has the means to just pick up and leave. I had a bunch of life shit happen that doesn't put me in a position to just leave as you put it. When I can my family and I WILL be leaving. Until then, life has a way of keeping me here. Unless...since you seem to think it's so easy, would like to pay for my escape? No? Didn't think so. |
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So far just about everyone i've shown that second video to has been AMAZED at how difficult the state makes things, the majority of people who have not actually Done the process have no damn clue..same with the ones who havent moved, or bought a handgun in 20-odd years. The one question that NOBODY at NJSP Wants to answer is WHY, in this age of Instant Information, when EVERYTHING is done Electronically is it taking 5, 10, in some cases FIFTEEN TIMES as long to get through the process than it did when everything was done on paper, and through the US Mail? I got my FPID and first Handgun permits in 1985 It took, 3 weeks. Subsequent handgun permits took about a week, and it was only THAT long because the Chief at the time only signed permits on Mondays. WHere I live now, it's 7-8 weeks from dropoff to pickup, wheras when I Moved here, it was around 2 weeks. And of course, NJSP, who is supposed to have oversight over the process, and be the Dispute Arbiter, in communities they "Service" Run 6-8 MONTHS or longer. We cant go to the Courts, because if given the opportunity, they would bar everyone from owning firearms. The democrats who hold measurable Majorities in both houses are pretty much ALL antigun ranging from "Confiscate Confiscate Confiscate" (LOretta Weinberg) to FUDDs (Senate President Steve Sweeney...who also has one of the 1200 Carry permits in the state). And, when Sweeney is Elected Governor next year, he's already said that he'll sign eacn and every gun bill that comes across his Desk because we tried to get him recalled. I fully expect the NJ legislature in 2017 to try and make California and NY look like Bastions of freedom. On the plus side, they MAY go so far as to Force SCOTUS to rule on the whole shitshow, the problem being of course, that's no guarantee. Oh wait... You were Serious..... Dude, I lost out on at least 3 County Task Forces because I routinely spoke out on 2nd Amendment Issues, and took my Chief to task for screwing with the permit process.... the day ANYBODY at the state level gives a shit about what any cop says about anything will be a first. They only time they give a damn about us is when they try to use us as a photo op, or to squeeze out a couple of corocodile tears at a funeral.
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So far just about everyone i've shown that second video to has been AMAZED at how difficult the state makes things, the majority of people who have not actually Done the process have no damn clue..same with the ones who havent moved, or bought a handgun in 20-odd years. The one question that NOBODY at NJSP Wants to answer is WHY, in this age of Instant Information, when EVERYTHING is done Electronically is it taking 5, 10, in some cases FIFTEEN TIMES as long to get through the process than it did when everything was done on paper, and through the US Mail? I got my FPID and first Handgun permits in 1985 It took, 3 weeks. Subsequent handgun permits took about a week, and it was only THAT long because the Chief at the time only signed permits on Mondays. WHere I live now, it's 7-8 weeks from dropoff to pickup, wheras when I Moved here, it was around 2 weeks. And of course, NJSP, who is supposed to have oversight over the process, and be the Dispute Arbiter, in communities they "Service" Run 6-8 MONTHS or longer. We cant go to the Courts, because if given the opportunity, they would bar everyone from owning firearms. The democrats who hold measurable Majorities in both houses are pretty much ALL antigun ranging from "Confiscate Confiscate Confiscate" (LOretta Weinberg) to FUDDs (Senate President Steve Sweeney...who also has one of the 1200 Carry permits in the state). And, when Sweeney is Elected Governor next year, he's already said that he'll sign eacn and every gun bill that comes across his Desk because we tried to get him recalled. I fully expect the NJ legislature in 2017 to try and make California and NY look like Bastions of freedom. On the plus side, they MAY go so far as to Force SCOTUS to rule on the whole shitshow, the problem being of course, that's no guarantee. There's case law that got rid of the 30 day time limit to process the application. I'm pretty sure it's in the S.A., which I can no longer access. I cant remember the Cite, but the NJ State Supreme Court essentially Said..."Yeah the law says 30 days...but we arent going to force anyone to adhere to it" Prior to that decisiou NJSP would actually step in and try to get the PD to issue if it was going on too long, or, Issue out of the nearest Barracks if the town refused to do so without cause...AFAIK that hasnt been done since the 80's however. The 30 Day Statutory issue aside, as i said, it used to be done WELL within the 30 days with snail mail, there is absolutely NO REASON it should take any longer than 14 days in todays world, the only delay is the Mental health form because those have to go to the county, and that system isnt electronic. other than that, it's become nothing more than a scam to get more money out of everyone on every level. |
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If you're curious, the republican parts of the state are the same as the democrat controlled areas. I'm so glad I got out of there. Some are better than others. I was told that Jersey City of all places typically got PPP & FID cards out in 30 - 60 days. Most other people I've talked to waited up to 6 months or longer. When Tommy Comey was Chief under Mayor Drunkypants, JCPD was running at a pretty solid 2 weeks....even as Healy was screaming about making his own Citywide OGAM program. |
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I wish Christie would get hammered for NJ's gun laws on the National stage. At least something good could possibly come from his idiotic bid attempt. I Despise Christie.... He's an Arrogant Asshole who really isnt as smart as he wants everyone to think he is.....THAT SAID, NJ has been circling the bowl and smudging the sides since 1966, and the truth is as Governor, there isnt a whole lot he could do to change things, Other than maybe leaning on the AG to lean on NJSP to stop the delay bullshit. There hasnt been a PRO gun amendment that has made it out of committee in ages, because the L&PS committee is locked up with assholes..he can't sign what can't reach him. The things I can and do lay at his feet are the things that his HAND PICKED AG Paula Dow did to us..that was under his watch. |
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Some are better than others. I was told that Jersey City of all places typically got PPP & FID cards out in 30 - 60 days. Most other people I've talked to waited up to 6 months or longer. Quoted:
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If you're curious, the republican parts of the state are the same as the democrat controlled areas. I'm so glad I got out of there. Some are better than others. I was told that Jersey City of all places typically got PPP & FID cards out in 30 - 60 days. Most other people I've talked to waited up to 6 months or longer. When I left, West Milford and Ridgefield Park were about the only good ones I knew of in the northern half of the state. Both would make people wait for the initial application, but subsequent handgun permits were done in a couple of days. Jersey City I recall was good if they liked you and not good if they didn't. There was at least one town that made people wait two years, and it wasn't Newark. It might have been one of the Oranges. Hackensack was one of the worst. Each permit applicant had to have a personal meeting (illegal) with Ken "Guilty" Zisa and if he decided that you had too many guns then you had to buy a safe and show him proof of purchase before you got another permit (also illegal.) |
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When I left, West Milford and Ridgefield Park were about the only good ones I knew of in the northern half of the state. Both would make people wait for the initial application, but subsequent handgun permits were done in a couple of days. Jersey City I recall was good if they liked you and not good if they didn't. There was at least one town that made people wait two years, and it wasn't Newark. It might have been one of the Oranges. Hackensack was one of the worst. Each permit applicant had to have a personal meeting (illegal) with Ken "Guilty" Zisa and if he decided that you had too many guns then you had to buy a safe and show him proof of purchase before you got another permit (also illegal.) Quoted:
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If you're curious, the republican parts of the state are the same as the democrat controlled areas. I'm so glad I got out of there. Some are better than others. I was told that Jersey City of all places typically got PPP & FID cards out in 30 - 60 days. Most other people I've talked to waited up to 6 months or longer. When I left, West Milford and Ridgefield Park were about the only good ones I knew of in the northern half of the state. Both would make people wait for the initial application, but subsequent handgun permits were done in a couple of days. Jersey City I recall was good if they liked you and not good if they didn't. There was at least one town that made people wait two years, and it wasn't Newark. It might have been one of the Oranges. Hackensack was one of the worst. Each permit applicant had to have a personal meeting (illegal) with Ken "Guilty" Zisa and if he decided that you had too many guns then you had to buy a safe and show him proof of purchase before you got another permit (also illegal.) One of my Little Lambs was lured by the thought of Bergen County Money into lateraling to Hackensack.....he didnt listen when he was told just HOW Political things were there, as opposed to us (Title 40, the law that kept politicians from interfering in the day to day operations of the PD didn't exist in Hackensack). This kid thought himself a Wit, so as a Joke he put a campaign sign for Don Zisa's opposing Candidate on his lawn. He was transferred to Steady nights and a permanent walking assignment, until he came back begging our Chief to let him come home. |