Posted: 8/7/2014 8:37:22 AM EDT
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Yes I realize there is an investment/money thread but this is more for general discussion.
Why don't companies like say, Glock, Winchester, Remington, Hornady, Smith & Wesson, trade on the NYS? If any of these companies went public I would invest in them. Are they not big enough? Maybe they choose to remain private? Maybe the NYSE is anti-gun  .
I would like to think that in a sense it would help these companies remain competitive, but also during gun scares or ammo shortages, having the money from investors be able to ramp up production. Just my .02 What does the hive think? Would you invest? If yes which company, if no why not? |
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Yes I realize there is an investment/money thread but this is more for general discussion. Why don't companies like say, Glock, Winchester, Remington, Hornady, Smith & Wesson, trade on the NYS? If any of these companies went public I would invest in them. Are they not big enough? Maybe they choose to remain private? Maybe the NYSE is anti-gun .
I would like to think that in a sense it would help these companies remain competitive, but also during gun scares or ammo shortages, having the money from investors be able to ramp up production. Just my .02 What does the hive think? Would you invest? If yes which company, if no why not? There are a plethora of reasons why a company would not go public. Also, equity financing usually is the most expensive because shareholders will demand a higher ROI then any debt they would hold. Also, the company may not qualify to be on the NYSE and might end up listing on the NASDAQ etc. Also, the investment banks aren't going to structure a deal that they feel won't sell enough shares. Take a look at the current gun company financials, look at the ratios and report back. |
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Ruger and Smith & Wesson used to be TERRIBLE investments. Ironically Obama's election in 2008 vaulted them to stratosphere.
Prior to 2008 and especially during the AWB the firearm industry was not a place you would really look at wanting to invest. Much better returns elsewhere. |
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There are a plethora of reasons why a company would not go public. Also, equity financing usually is the most expensive because shareholders will demand a higher ROI then any debt they would hold. Also, the company may not qualify to be on the NYSE and might end up listing on the NASDAQ etc. Also, the investment banks aren't going to structure a deal that they feel won't sell enough shares. Take a look at the current gun company financials, look at the ratios and report back. Quoted:
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Yes I realize there is an investment/money thread but this is more for general discussion. Why don't companies like say, Glock, Winchester, Remington, Hornady, Smith & Wesson, trade on the NYS? If any of these companies went public I would invest in them. Are they not big enough? Maybe they choose to remain private? Maybe the NYSE is anti-gun .
I would like to think that in a sense it would help these companies remain competitive, but also during gun scares or ammo shortages, having the money from investors be able to ramp up production. Just my .02 What does the hive think? Would you invest? If yes which company, if no why not? There are a plethora of reasons why a company would not go public. Also, equity financing usually is the most expensive because shareholders will demand a higher ROI then any debt they would hold. Also, the company may not qualify to be on the NYSE and might end up listing on the NASDAQ etc. Also, the investment banks aren't going to structure a deal that they feel won't sell enough shares. Take a look at the current gun company financials, look at the ratios and report back. I haven't found much on Glocks income some websites say 100 million -160million per year, but maybe this is because they aren't a US company? Ratios in what regards profit per gun? In regards to financial are we talking about Glocks ability to have the equity or are you saying banks don't make money off Glock sales do to the fact that most people don't finance to purchase a Glock? Maybe I'm confused. 
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Ruger and Smith & Wesson used to be TERRIBLE investments. Ironically Obama's election in 2008 vaulted them to stratosphere. Prior to 2008 and especially during the AWB the firearm industry was not a place you would really look at wanting to invest. Much better returns elsewhere. S&W is also being managed well |
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The gun industry is surprisingly small compared to a lot of others. Other than Smith and Ruger I'm not sure any of them are big enough to get on the big board. Outside of the panics, its also a very mature and stable industry without a lot of upside. Most people don't buy more than a handful of firearms in their life. A lot of firearms companies have gone belly up over the years.
Brownells is still owned and operated by the family. Gaston Glock will never let go of his baby. I've lost track of the ownership drama at Colt. Likewise Winchester. Browning is just a marketing company, they don't actually make anything. |
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OP look into ATK They make guns and rocket and shit And their stock is ok depending on how you play your hand ATK owns these companies Federal, CCI, Fusion, Speer Ammo, Speer Bullets, Estate Cartridge and Blazer. Savage Arms. Bushnell, BLACKHAWK!, Eagle, Alliant Powder, RCBS, Champion Target, Final Approach, Gunslick Pro, Primos, Bollé, Outers, Hoppe’s, Uncle Mike’s, Butler Creek and Weaver Optics. |
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I haven't found much on Glocks income some websites say 100 million -160million per year, but maybe this is because they aren't a US company? Ratios in what regards profit per gun? In regards to financial are we talking about Glocks ability to have the equity or are you saying banks don't make money off Glock sales do to the fact that most people don't finance to purchase a Glock? Maybe I'm confused.
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Yes I realize there is an investment/money thread but this is more for general discussion. Why don't companies like say, Glock, Winchester, Remington, Hornady, Smith & Wesson, trade on the NYS? If any of these companies went public I would invest in them. Are they not big enough? Maybe they choose to remain private? Maybe the NYSE is anti-gun .
I would like to think that in a sense it would help these companies remain competitive, but also during gun scares or ammo shortages, having the money from investors be able to ramp up production. Just my .02 What does the hive think? Would you invest? If yes which company, if no why not? There are a plethora of reasons why a company would not go public. Also, equity financing usually is the most expensive because shareholders will demand a higher ROI then any debt they would hold. Also, the company may not qualify to be on the NYSE and might end up listing on the NASDAQ etc. Also, the investment banks aren't going to structure a deal that they feel won't sell enough shares. Take a look at the current gun company financials, look at the ratios and report back. I haven't found much on Glocks income some websites say 100 million -160million per year, but maybe this is because they aren't a US company? Ratios in what regards profit per gun? In regards to financial are we talking about Glocks ability to have the equity or are you saying banks don't make money off Glock sales do to the fact that most people don't finance to purchase a Glock? Maybe I'm confused.
Private companies do not have to share their income, profits, or operations of business. So therefore you probably aren't going to get good exact numbers. Secondly, many reasons why a company wants to stay private. I would never take a company public... there are of course good reasons why you should, but none of those apply to my scenarios. |
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Quoted: Yes I realize there is an investment/money thread but this is more for general discussion. Why don't companies like say, Glock, Winchester, Remington, Hornady, Smith & Wesson, trade on the NYS? If any of these companies went public I would invest in them. Are they not big enough? Maybe they choose to remain private? Maybe the NYSE is anti-gun . I would like to think that in a sense it would help these companies remain competitive, but also during gun scares or ammo shortages, having the money from investors be able to ramp up production. Just my .02 What does the hive think? Would you invest? If yes which company, if no why not? Ruger and S&W are traded publically. Olin's a solid company -- they make Winchester ammo. |