Posted: 5/9/2011 3:21:14 PM EDT
Found these at the range this weekend. Never seen anything like these, that's for sure. What are they? Says 5.56 on the base.
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looks close to a sim-round/paintball round. Not a simunition. http://www.simunition.com/cartridges/images/fx_training.jpg From the Simunition website. Sure looks like them. Incidentally, I've found some out in the desert out here. Yup 
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Caliber adapters, but not sure from what to what.  Use .22 long rifle in a .308 or .30-06? I've pressed the aluminum part back into the brass, and they're too long to chamber in a standard .223/5.56 chamber by quite a bit. (ETA: I see you're talking about .308/30-06, but I just figured I'd mention it for the jee-whiz factor.) |
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Simunitions.
I work in Security at a community college. The local SWAT team recently conducted an active shooter/hostage rescue training exercise at the school about a month ago. The shell casings we recovered from the SWAT training are identical to the casings in the original post. |
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any chance of reloading those? I know getting the original projectiles is unlikely, but aside from that, could anything useful be done with the empties? Considering they're deliberately sized to not fit in normal chambers... probably not. So I did a full length size, and trimmed the case to .223 specs. Fit the dies perfectly....will not chamber. Can't see where they fail to fit. 
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any chance of reloading those? I know getting the original projectiles is unlikely, but aside from that, could anything useful be done with the empties? Considering they're deliberately sized to not fit in normal chambers... probably not. So I did a full length size, and trimmed the case to .223 specs. Fit the dies perfectly....will not chamber. Can't see where they fail to fit.
What are they fired from??? http://www.simunition.com/conversion_kits/conversion_kits_en.php |
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These are modern simunition rounds. They require a special bolt/slide in order to function which is why they will not chamber in your mil-spec AR. Usually they use a dedicated upper. ETA: Upper/bolt change for the carbine. For the m9 its a bbl swap. The saw is a little more involved. Thats the limit of my experience. |
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These are modern simunition rounds. They require a special bolt/slide in order to function which is why they will not chamber in your mil-spec AR. Usually they use a dedicated upper. ETA: Upper/bolt change for the carbine. For the m9 its a bbl swap. The saw is a little more involved. Thats the limit of my experience. It depends on what the department is using. The bolt alone is capable of being used in most uppers, but many departments use colored barrels, handguards, etc in order to distinguish them from the real thing to prevent accidents. Simunition Conversions |
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These are modern simunition rounds. They require a special bolt/slide in order to function which is why they will not chamber in your mil-spec AR. Usually they use a dedicated upper. ETA: Upper/bolt change for the carbine. For the m9 its a bbl swap. The saw is a little more involved. Thats the limit of my experience. We used them in our M-4's and SAW's, just swapped out the bolt though, no dedicated upper, but the round wasn't brass, it looked like zinc or aluminum. It looked like a rimfire primer in the back too. They chamber in my AR's, but obviously won't fire without the special blue bolt. I still have a drum of SAW ammo and a few boxes of the 5.56 loose rounds. |
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I assume these fun rounds, bolts, and such are for the uniformed personnel only? You would be correct. Legal Notes on Simunitions LEGAL NOTES Due to the very nature of our business, the sale and use of Simunition® products and systems are restricted to recognised law enforcement agencies, federal agencies, military forces, approved professional training and security facilities. |
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Wow. Doesn't look like the simunitions I've fired before. They must have gone through a change. But then I've been out since '91 
Haven't seen a simunition since my reserve days around '95 or so. Sorry about that. It looks like the aluminum part is coming out. |
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These are modern simunition rounds. They require a special bolt/slide in order to function which is why they will not chamber in your mil-spec AR. Usually they use a dedicated upper. ETA: Upper/bolt change for the carbine. For the m9 its a bbl swap. The saw is a little more involved. Thats the limit of my experience. We used them in our M-4's and SAW's, just swapped out the bolt though, no dedicated upper, but the round wasn't brass, it looked like zinc or aluminum. It looked like a rimfire primer in the back too. They chamber in my AR's, but obviously won't fire without the special blue bolt. I still have a drum of SAW ammo and a few boxes of the 5.56 loose rounds. Yeah, the ones shaped like 556 work with a bolt change. The ones shaped like a 9mm, its a bolt and upper change. If you try to fire them in a glock 19 or m9, they stick in the bbl. I tried. I also tried to buy a blue bbl for my personal m9, but no dice. |
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I assume these fun rounds, bolts, and such are for the uniformed personnel only? You would be correct. Legal Notes on Simunitions LEGAL NOTES Due to the very nature of our business, the sale and use of Simunition® products and systems are restricted to recognised law enforcement agencies, federal agencies, military forces, approved professional training and security facilities. Which is not to say that it's impossible to get one's hands on them as a civilian, or that it would involve jail time... FWIW, Simunition (if they want the ® they can put it there themselves) can go fuck a flying football. And that's not because of their sales policy, either. That is all. |
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I assume these fun rounds, bolts, and such are for the uniformed personnel only? You would be correct. Legal Notes on Simunitions LEGAL NOTES Due to the very nature of our business, the sale and use of Simunition® products and systems are restricted to recognised law enforcement agencies, federal agencies, military forces, approved professional training and security facilities. Which is not to say that it's impossible to get one's hands on them as a civilian, or that it would involve jail time... FWIW, Simunition (if they want the ® they can put it there themselves) can go fuck a flying football. And that's not because of their sales policy, either. That is all. I'd like to know more. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Wow. Doesn't look like the simunitions I've fired before. They must have gone through a change. But then I've been out since '91 Haven't seen a simunition since my reserve days around '95 or so. Sorry about that. It looks like the aluminum part is coming out. That is how the action is cycled; when the round is fired, the projectile is propelled out the barrel and that aluminum or plastic part, depending on the round, also moves forwrd cycling the action. Like a mini piston. |
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Wow. Doesn't look like the simunitions I've fired before. They must have gone through a change. But then I've been out since '91
Haven't seen a simunition since my reserve days around '95 or so. Sorry about that. It looks like the aluminum part is coming out. That is how the action is cycled; when the round is fired, the projectile is propelled out the barrel and that aluminum or plastic part, depending on the round, also moves forwrd cycling the action. Like a mini piston. Hmm, and that extracts reliably? It looks longer then a loaded 5.56 round. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Wow. Doesn't look like the simunitions I've fired before. They must have gone through a change. But then I've been out since '91 Haven't seen a simunition since my reserve days around '95 or so. Sorry about that. It looks like the aluminum part is coming out. That is how the action is cycled; when the round is fired, the projectile is propelled out the barrel and that aluminum or plastic part, depending on the round, also moves forwrd cycling the action. Like a mini piston. Hmm, and that extracts reliably? It looks longer then a loaded 5.56 round. You can extract loaded rounds with OAL of 2.5" in a standard AR15. |
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Cool! I want one....I don't know why A live one, or a spent one? I have quite a few spent ones laying around. We use them in training. Either or. They look cool Hit me with an IM with your address and I will send you a few when I get a chance. I am working insane hours right now so it may be a little while. |