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Posted: 10/23/2020 9:30:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not the first time aviators/pilots have chosen to ride it in, or rode it in too far, trying to avoid casualties on the ground. Had an A-7 do it here in the Atlanta area back in the early '90's, stayed with the plane until they cleared an apartment complex and then ejected too low to survive (it may have rolled, it's been a while). The military has procedures and improvements trying to reduce the risks of military aviation, but it's always been a dangerous endeavor, which is why the claims that Bush "avoided the dangers of Vietnam" by going to be a pilot in a VERY unforgiving aircraft annoy me. I remember that from when I was a kid |
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Posted: 10/23/2020 9:57:00 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/23/2020 10:00:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If it went straight in, it was possibly a conscience decision on the part of the aircrew. Catastrophic mechanical failure with seconds to react leaves two options. Either try to have a controlled crash by gliding and hopefully cause minimum death and destruction on the ground, or point the nose straight down and keep the deaths to the absolute minimum possible. Definitely a no win situation for the aircrew. May God comfort their families in this time of loss. Fair winds and following seas.  |
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Posted: 10/23/2020 10:10:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So they chose not to eject to save lives. Real men right there. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If it went straight in, it was possibly a conscience decision on the part of the aircrew. Catastrophic mechanical failure with seconds to react leaves two options. Either try to have a controlled crash by gliding and hopefully cause minimum death and destruction on the ground, or point the nose straight down and keep the deaths to the absolute minimum possible. Definitely a no win situation for the aircrew. May God comfort their families in this time of loss. Fair winds and following seas. So they chose not to eject to save lives. Real men right there. I recall a story about a blue angels pilot who kept a piece of paper with him that said, “them before me”. Meaning their lives come first. He was killed a few years back. There may or may not be more to this or a better known version or whatever, still a noble mindset. |
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Posted: 10/23/2020 10:13:52 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/23/2020 10:14:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I recall a story about a blue angels pilot who kept a piece of paper with him that said, “them before me”. Meaning their lives come first. He was killed a few years back. There may or may not be more to this or a better known version or whatever, still a noble mindset. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: If it went straight in, it was possibly a conscience decision on the part of the aircrew. Catastrophic mechanical failure with seconds to react leaves two options. Either try to have a controlled crash by gliding and hopefully cause minimum death and destruction on the ground, or point the nose straight down and keep the deaths to the absolute minimum possible. Definitely a no win situation for the aircrew. May God comfort their families in this time of loss. Fair winds and following seas. So they chose not to eject to save lives. Real men right there. I recall a story about a blue angels pilot who kept a piece of paper with him that said, “them before me”. Meaning their lives come first. He was killed a few years back. There may or may not be more to this or a better known version or whatever, still a noble mindset.   |
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Posted: 10/23/2020 10:15:25 PM EDT
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Damn.
Probably an F18. |
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Posted: 10/23/2020 10:15:33 PM EDT
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It's a shitty profession at times. No better way to go.
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Posted: 10/23/2020 10:21:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Damn. Probably an F18. Nope. T-6b |
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Posted: 10/23/2020 10:24:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope. T-6b Prayers inbound! |
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Posted: 10/23/2020 10:32:59 PM EDT
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Prayers to the families
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Posted: 10/23/2020 10:41:51 PM EDT
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Condolences to the Families... RIP Shipmates...
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Posted: 10/23/2020 10:42:54 PM EDT
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https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2020/10/23/two-service-members-killed-in-crash-of-navy-t-6b-trainer-aircraft/
Naval Air Forces spokesman Cmdr. Zachary Harrell said the flight took off from Florida’s Naval Air Station Whiting Field, which lies about a 90-minute drive northeast of the crash area. (The crew may not have been Navy, Whiting Field trains Navy, Marine, Air Force, Coast Guard and Foreign Military aircrew.) https://www.wkrg.com/baldwin-county/authorities-plane-crashes-in-foley/ |
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Posted: 10/23/2020 10:43:59 PM EDT
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Well crap.
May God bless them and their families with peace and consolation. |
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Posted: 10/23/2020 11:10:15 PM EDT
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So very sorry for those who lost their lives. Thanks to them for serving the USA and heartfelt prayers
for their families to survive this tragedy that has come to them. |
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Posted: 10/23/2020 11:15:45 PM EDT
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224kts @ 7300’ then started a descent. Sped up to 246kts by 5300’, then started dropping speed as the descent continued.
Last report of 83kts @ 3700’ is very strange, particularly with no ejection. Been talking with another instructor from the base and he’s having a hard time wrapping his head around it. |
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Posted: 10/23/2020 11:16:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A T-6 just doesnt go down. Damn! Prayers inbound! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Nope. T-6b Prayers inbound! Especially with a prop not spinning |
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Posted: 10/23/2020 11:23:59 PM EDT
[#18]
Rest in Peace
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Posted: 10/24/2020 12:17:20 AM EDT
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 Eternal Father, Strong To Save - Navy Hymn - US Naval Academy Chapel |
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Posted: 10/24/2020 12:24:23 AM EDT
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That fucking sucks.
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Posted: 10/24/2020 1:50:00 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/24/2020 2:15:44 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/24/2020 2:18:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope. T-6b Traveling didn't read through the thread. Damn. Training accident? |
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Posted: 10/24/2020 2:24:25 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/24/2020 2:27:20 AM EDT
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Godspeed.
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Posted: 10/24/2020 5:08:54 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/25/2020 1:11:25 AM EDT
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My youngest is an Air Force T-6 IP.
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Posted: 10/25/2020 1:26:02 AM EDT
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One of the crew was US Coast Guard.
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Posted: 10/25/2020 1:27:05 AM EDT
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Damn, rest in peace.
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Posted: 10/25/2020 1:48:21 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/25/2020 2:16:29 AM EDT
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RIP Morgan. There is no higher calling, no greater honor, than to lay down your life in the pursuit of saving others.
Never met you, but you were in the pipeline, and part of the family. |
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Posted: 10/25/2020 2:37:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Traveling didn't read through the thread. Damn. Training accident? Well, the T-6 is a TRAINER, so, you tell me. I doubt they were doing offensive, defensive or intelligence missions in a T-6. I could be wrong. |
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Posted: 10/25/2020 8:52:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryCame here to post this. I didn’t know her, but I bet my CO (LTJG recent academy grad) does. |
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Posted: 10/25/2020 8:57:03 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/25/2020 10:06:10 AM EDT
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A little background info - I've been out of that world long enough that I don't have any inside info, but I was stationed at Whiting three different times over my career, including flying T-6s 2015-17. NAS Whiting Field is home to Training Wing Five, which has six squadrons. Three of them fly the T-6B Texan II for primary flight training, and three of them fly the TH-57B/C for advanced helicopter training. All six train Navy, Marine and Coast Guard students, and are manned by instructors from those branches. One of the T-6 squadrons also has some Air Force instructors. There are two general geographic locations used for the T-6 flights - one north of Whiting, in South Alabama, over Evergreen and Brewton; and one west of Pensacola, roughly Perdido Bay to Mobile Bay, and I-10 to the Gulf. A flight would go out, pick a block in the working area, do the high work - basic aircraft control maneuvers, to include stalls and spins - and then move on to pattern work at one of the outlying fields. From what I've seen posted, this sounds like a contact flight, the first phase of training. This could also have been an aerobatic flight, similar regime but add in loops, rolls, immelmanns, etc. I have no idea what could have happened that would have precluded an ejection, so I'm not going to speculate here. Training is usually one of the safer segments of Naval Aviation. Since I started in 1997, I can only remember four other incidents involving Whiting aircraft, and only two of them involved fatalities. It's always in the back of your mind, but it always seems like it's a distant possibility. Almost like, you carry a gun for defense, and you're ready to use it when needed, but you know you'll probably never have to pull it. A mishap like this is a punch in the gut whenever it happens. US Navy file photo of a T-6: 
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Posted: 10/25/2020 10:47:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, the T-6 is a TRAINER, so, you tell me. I doubt they were doing offensive, defensive or intelligence missions in a T-6. I could be wrong. Could be on a cross country. Could be ferrying the aircraft. Could be doing a post maintenance FCF. Or could be doing ACM training or something else. |
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Posted: 10/25/2020 1:58:56 PM EDT
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Two females, which might be a first. Prayers out to the families and shipmates.
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Posted: 10/25/2020 2:11:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Two females, which might be a first. Prayers out to the families and shipmates. I only saw the one ENS mentioned. Who was the other? Edit: nvmd. ENS Morgan Garrett and LT Rhiannon Ross. https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2020/10/25/coast-guard-member-among-crew-killed-in-navy-plane-crash-in-residential-neighborhood/ |
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Posted: 10/25/2020 2:21:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I only saw the one ENS mentioned. Who was the other? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Two females, which might be a first. Prayers out to the families and shipmates. I only saw the one ENS mentioned. Who was the other? U.S. Navy Lt. Rhiannon Ross, a 30-year-old instructor pilot, and U.S. Coast Guard Ensign Morgan Garrett, a 24-year-old student pilot, died. The Oct. 23 crash occurred in Foley, which is located near the Alabama shore about 30 miles west of Pensacola, Fla., around 5 p.m. local time, according to a Navy news release. https://news.usni.org/2020/10/23/2-killed-in-navy-t-6b-texan-ii-trainer-crash-in-alabama |
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Posted: 10/25/2020 2:23:34 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/25/2020 2:24:53 PM EDT
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My prayers are with the families of the crew. |
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Posted: 10/25/2020 2:26:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not the first time aviators/pilots have chosen to ride it in, or rode it in too far, trying to avoid casualties on the ground. Had an A-7 do it here in the Atlanta area back in the early '90's, stayed with the plane until they cleared an apartment complex and then ejected too low to survive (it may have rolled, it's been a while). The military has procedures and improvements trying to reduce the risks of military aviation, but it's always been a dangerous endeavor, which is why the claims that Bush "avoided the dangers of Vietnam" by going to be a pilot in a VERY unforgiving aircraft annoy me. When I was at Pax River, an air crew planted their jet into the skeet range vs risk the uncontrolled plane going into a populated part of the base. Kharn |
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Posted: 10/25/2020 4:36:48 PM EDT
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Rest in Peace shipmates.
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Posted: 10/25/2020 4:42:26 PM EDT
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Dammit.
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Posted: 10/25/2020 4:42:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/25/2020 4:55:44 PM EDT
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Fuck, that's awful to hear
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Posted: 10/25/2020 8:29:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryHearts out for their families and friends.
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Posted: 10/25/2020 9:50:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When I was at Pax River, an air crew planted their jet into the skeet range vs risk the uncontrolled plane going into a populated part of the base. Kharn Where my dad grew up in Bellaire, TX (1960's) an AF pilot rode his jet into a bayou between housing developments to keep from hitting civilians. Dad found a small data plate from the jet at the crash site after it had been cleaned up. He has kept it all these years and through his military career as a reminder of that pilot's selflessness. |
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