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2/18/2008 10:31:14 PM EDT
Ok, I started checking the valves on my bike, and all of the exhaust valves are out of spec!  So I'm going to have to pull the shims and measure them to get the correct sized new ones.  Looks like I'll need a micrometer, the shims are very small and I need .001 or better accuracy.

The problem is, I've never used one before and really have no idea what to look for.  I'd like to get a quality one, but keep it at $100 or less.  Craftsman sells an electronic one for $100 that converts to metric and standard, but I don't know if electronic is the way to go or not.  It would be much easier to read for sure!

Anyway, thanks in advance for the help.
2/18/2008 10:39:56 PM EDT
[#1]
You can buy a regular mic pretty cheap and just convert the reading with your calculator.

For readings < .001, an electronic one may be best for the untrained eye. otherwise with a little effort they are pretty easy to use.

The conversion from standard to metric is take your standard measurement, for instance .005 (or 5 thousandths) and multiply it times 25.4, which gives you .127mm.

Or for the other way its .127mm times .03937 which is .005.

If you need to read a mic, I can see if I can find an instructional pic or two online.

ETA:
2/18/2008 10:40:25 PM EDT
[#2]
get a electronic one
2/18/2008 10:58:55 PM EDT
[#3]
harbor freight has a nice electric one that is about $20
2/18/2008 11:06:50 PM EDT
[#4]
It just crossed my mind, but what about a caliper?  Do they make those precise enough to read something that small?

Also, if I need to read accurately to .001(inches), do I need to get something that is good to .0001?  Taking into account the amount of error and all.  The clearance on this bike is .xxx +/-  .001, so there isn't much room for error.
2/18/2008 11:09:55 PM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
It just crossed my mind, but what about a caliper?  Do they make those precise enough to read something that small?

Also, if I need to read accurately to .001(inches), do I need to get something that is good to .0001?  Taking into account the amount of error and all.  The clearance on this bike is .xxx +/-  .001, so there isn't much room for error.


Most digital calipers only read to .0005 (which is 1/2 a thousandth) and aren't really accurate to that, they just read to that.

For <.001, you'll need mics. Check those Harbor Freight ones, measure what you need, lock the thimble and push the standard/metric button to convert.
2/19/2008 12:10:55 AM EDT
[#6]
If tolerance is + or - .001, it's best to use a micrometer.

Calipers have problems with parallelism of jaws and pressure/feel applied by the user.

Even an inexpensive micrometer will be 10 times better than a caliper.

2/19/2008 1:04:07 AM EDT
[#7]
check EBAY . lots of good used mics on there . to double check a 0-1" mic just run it down till both faces touch . it should read all zero's .

cgi.ebay.com/FOWLER-NO-3921-0-1-MICROMETER_W0QQitemZ270212115725QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item270212115725  

something like this . the digital and such while nice are not really nessacary. reading a mic is pretty easy , each revolution is .025" . the .0001" marks read a little differently but its a still easy.

some of the 3-4 piece sets might be a good idea to get insted , that way you can measure stuff correctly.
2/19/2008 1:13:13 AM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:
If tolerance is + or - .001, it's best to use a micrometer.

Calipers have problems with parallelism of jaws and pressure/feel applied by the user.

Even an inexpensive micrometer will be 10 times better than a caliper.



+1

Good calipers usually won't be as accurate as you want.

Good micros usually will be more accurate than you need.

Better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it.
2/19/2008 1:33:40 AM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
Ok, I started checking the valves on my bike, and all of the exhaust valves are out of spec!  So I'm going to have to pull the shims and measure them to get the correct sized new ones.  Looks like I'll need a micrometer, the shims are very small and I need .001 or better accuracy.

The problem is, I've never used one before and really have no idea what to look for.
 I'd like to get a quality one, but keep it at $100 or less.  Craftsman sells an electronic one for $100 that converts to metric and standard, but I don't know if electronic is the way to go or not.  It would be much easier to read for sure!

Anyway, thanks in advance for the help.




Not trying to offend you,--------- but if you don't own and/or know how to properly use precision measuring devices,-------- do you think you can accurately adjust your valves...?
2/19/2008 1:43:18 AM EDT
[#10]
Vernier java applet
2/19/2008 1:53:56 AM EDT
[#11]
Harbor Freight....$20.   It's valve adjustment, not rocket science.

So what if you get them adjusted off one  in either direction .  Think it'll show up on a dyno ?
2/19/2008 3:33:45 AM EDT
[#12]
I prefer the mechanical mics, so I'm not dependent on batteries. But get whatever you like. If you find a good mic, that is not electronic go ahead and buy it. Dont worry about conversion, just remember "25.4" that is what you divide metric by to get a fractional tolerance.  Also it works the opposite direction, you would multiply a fractional tolerance by" 25.4" to obtain a metric tolerance....until you memorize the metric/inch conversions the number 25.4 will be your best friend!
2/19/2008 3:45:08 AM EDT
[#13]
When you get one practice with it.



Get some drill bits and measure them to get used to it.
2/19/2008 4:02:52 AM EDT
[#14]
I would get one that has carbide faces also. Most mic's I know of will read down to tenths.
2/19/2008 4:07:49 AM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:
It just crossed my mind, but what about a caliper?  Do they make those precise enough to read something that small?

Also, if I need to read accurately to .001(inches), do I need to get something that is good to .0001?  Taking into account the amount of error and all.  The clearance on this bike is .xxx +/-  .001, so there isn't much room for error.


Use an electronic, and do not force the caliper closed, it should gently touch the object.
2/19/2008 4:12:19 AM EDT
[#16]
For the task that you are wanting to do, get a set of cheap calipers.

But I will recommend that if you are going to work on guns or reload your own ammo, buy a good set of calipers and mics.
2/19/2008 4:13:51 PM EDT
[#17]
Thanks for the info guys.  Its not that I am stupid, I just have never owned or needed a micrometer for any reason.  And so far, the valve adjustment has been pretty straightforward.
2/19/2008 4:18:25 PM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:

Quoted:
It just crossed my mind, but what about a caliper?  Do they make those precise enough to read something that small?

Also, if I need to read accurately to .001(inches), do I need to get something that is good to .0001?  Taking into account the amount of error and all.  The clearance on this bike is .xxx +/-  .001, so there isn't much room for error.


Use an electronic, and do not force the caliper closed, it should gently touch the object.


Get a micrometer with a force limiter, so that it will always apply the same amount of pressure to close every time. You'll never over tighten if you use one of those.