[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Need new lap top computer . (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 8/12/2016 9:26:43 AM EDT
I have a 7 year old LENOVO . It's been great Its a G550 . It runs with vista . Never had an issue with it ever. Just kept Norton updated . I think its time for a new one. I'm thinking about sticking with Lenovo and maybe a thinktop version around $ 800 . My budget is $500- $800 . I don't do nothing but surf and research stuff and of course ARFcom . Youtube some music and videos . I just don't want to go cheap and regret it. But not overspend . What says the Ole Mighty HIVE ,. TIA Wardawg
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Lenovo is no longer GTG. I say this as a long time Lenovo customer going back to the IBM days. Presently I'm using my third Lenovo laptop, a T51. It has had a litany of problems
It came with windows 7, and would randomly shut down then take 10 - 15 minutes to reboot. No combination of driver updates or fixes would appease it That finally got better with an upgrade to 10, it's been fairly solid since that upgrade. It refuses to remain connected to my wi fi network. The latest problem came when I hooked it to my Icom ham radio through the USB port. I noticed that the noise level on the radio increased when the port was plugged in. Finally it blew up the radio's USB port due to a ground loop. I also don't like the new track pad, where the whole thing moves as the right click button. Personal preference but it just feels clunky. |
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Lenovo is no longer GTG. I say this as a long time Lenovo customer going back to the IBM days. Presently I'm using my third Lenovo laptop, a T51. It has had a litany of problems It came with windows 7, and would randomly shut down then take 10 - 15 minutes to reboot. No combination of driver updates or fixes would appease it That finally got better with an upgrade to 10, it's been fairly solid since that upgrade. It refuses to remain connected to my wi fi network. The latest problem came when I hooked it to my Icom ham radio through the USB port. I noticed that the noise level on the radio increased when the port was plugged in. Finally it blew up the radio's USB port due to a ground loop. I also don't like the new track pad, where the whole thing moves as the right click button. Personal preference but it just feels clunky. Complete and utter bull shit. Lenovo is still cranking hundreds of thousands of some of the most solid, reliable and well built business class laptops on the planet. I say this an IT professional who actually deals with a LOT of different OEMs. You had a problem with a HAM radio connection to your USB port and you can't get your wireless working right and you blame that on a single T51 and suddenly the whole brand is shit. Meanwhile, dozens of huge multi-national, multi-billion dollar corporations and small businesses throughout the world have millions of deployed Lenovos with no real problems, beyond what is expected in the "computing" world. OP a new T560 is *just* over 800 bucks, right now. I think it would be a great investment that I would expect to last you 7-10 years (barring mechanical failures) with your current needs. Were it me, I view laptops as a disposable electronic. I would get a kickass 400 dollar ASUS or Acer and drive it until the wheels fell off and then buy another 3-400 dollar ASUS or Acer. I do that about every 18-24 months or so for my "surfing boxes" at the house. The ancillary bonus to this is I always have a few spare laptops hanging around to repurpose for the house or kids. |
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Complete and utter bull shit. Lenovo is still cranking hundreds of thousands of some of the most solid, reliable and well built business class laptops on the planet. I say this an IT professional who actually deals with a LOT of different OEMs. You had a problem with a HAM radio connection to your USB port and you can't get your wireless working right and you blame that on a single T51 and suddenly the whole brand is shit. Meanwhile, dozens of huge multi-national, multi-billion dollar corporations and small businesses throughout the world have millions of deployed Lenovos with no real problems, beyond what is expected in the "computing" world. OP a new T560 is *just* over 800 bucks, right now. I think it would be a great investment that I would expect to last you 7-10 years (barring mechanical failures) with your current needs. Were it me, I view laptops as a disposable electronic. I would get a kickass 400 dollar ASUS or Acer and drive it until the wheels fell off and then buy another 3-400 dollar ASUS or Acer. I do that about every 18-24 months or so for my "surfing boxes" at the house. The ancillary bonus to this is I always have a few spare laptops hanging around to repurpose for the house or kids. Quoted:
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Lenovo is no longer GTG. I say this as a long time Lenovo customer going back to the IBM days. Presently I'm using my third Lenovo laptop, a T51. It has had a litany of problems It came with windows 7, and would randomly shut down then take 10 - 15 minutes to reboot. No combination of driver updates or fixes would appease it That finally got better with an upgrade to 10, it's been fairly solid since that upgrade. It refuses to remain connected to my wi fi network. The latest problem came when I hooked it to my Icom ham radio through the USB port. I noticed that the noise level on the radio increased when the port was plugged in. Finally it blew up the radio's USB port due to a ground loop. I also don't like the new track pad, where the whole thing moves as the right click button. Personal preference but it just feels clunky. Complete and utter bull shit. Lenovo is still cranking hundreds of thousands of some of the most solid, reliable and well built business class laptops on the planet. I say this an IT professional who actually deals with a LOT of different OEMs. You had a problem with a HAM radio connection to your USB port and you can't get your wireless working right and you blame that on a single T51 and suddenly the whole brand is shit. Meanwhile, dozens of huge multi-national, multi-billion dollar corporations and small businesses throughout the world have millions of deployed Lenovos with no real problems, beyond what is expected in the "computing" world. OP a new T560 is *just* over 800 bucks, right now. I think it would be a great investment that I would expect to last you 7-10 years (barring mechanical failures) with your current needs. Were it me, I view laptops as a disposable electronic. I would get a kickass 400 dollar ASUS or Acer and drive it until the wheels fell off and then buy another 3-400 dollar ASUS or Acer. I do that about every 18-24 months or so for my "surfing boxes" at the house. The ancillary bonus to this is I always have a few spare laptops hanging around to repurpose for the house or kids. Do you find the performance acceptable? I know you just said "surfing boxes" but even then stuff in the $400 range always seems to have poor low resolution displays, slow HDDs (unless you upgrade to a SSD for more money,) super low end processors, and they're generally really thick and heavy compared to more expensive laptops. Regarding Lenovo, I've got a Yoga 900 and other than the touchpad being a little loose (I simply removed the bottom panel and shimmed it) I've been really happy with it. |
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Complete and utter bull shit. Lenovo is still cranking hundreds of thousands of some of the most solid, reliable and well built business class laptops on the planet. I say this an IT professional who actually deals with a LOT of different OEMs. You had a problem with a HAM radio connection to your USB port and you can't get your wireless working right and you blame that on a single T51 and suddenly the whole brand is shit. Meanwhile, dozens of huge multi-national, multi-billion dollar corporations and small businesses throughout the world have millions of deployed Lenovos with no real problems, beyond what is expected in the "computing" world. OP a new T560 is *just* over 800 bucks, right now. I think it would be a great investment that I would expect to last you 7-10 years (barring mechanical failures) with your current needs. Were it me, I view laptops as a disposable electronic. I would get a kickass 400 dollar ASUS or Acer and drive it until the wheels fell off and then buy another 3-400 dollar ASUS or Acer. I do that about every 18-24 months or so for my "surfing boxes" at the house. The ancillary bonus to this is I always have a few spare laptops hanging around to repurpose for the house or kids. Quoted:
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Lenovo is no longer GTG. I say this as a long time Lenovo customer going back to the IBM days. Presently I'm using my third Lenovo laptop, a T51. It has had a litany of problems It came with windows 7, and would randomly shut down then take 10 - 15 minutes to reboot. No combination of driver updates or fixes would appease it That finally got better with an upgrade to 10, it's been fairly solid since that upgrade. It refuses to remain connected to my wi fi network. The latest problem came when I hooked it to my Icom ham radio through the USB port. I noticed that the noise level on the radio increased when the port was plugged in. Finally it blew up the radio's USB port due to a ground loop. I also don't like the new track pad, where the whole thing moves as the right click button. Personal preference but it just feels clunky. Complete and utter bull shit. Lenovo is still cranking hundreds of thousands of some of the most solid, reliable and well built business class laptops on the planet. I say this an IT professional who actually deals with a LOT of different OEMs. You had a problem with a HAM radio connection to your USB port and you can't get your wireless working right and you blame that on a single T51 and suddenly the whole brand is shit. Meanwhile, dozens of huge multi-national, multi-billion dollar corporations and small businesses throughout the world have millions of deployed Lenovos with no real problems, beyond what is expected in the "computing" world. OP a new T560 is *just* over 800 bucks, right now. I think it would be a great investment that I would expect to last you 7-10 years (barring mechanical failures) with your current needs. Were it me, I view laptops as a disposable electronic. I would get a kickass 400 dollar ASUS or Acer and drive it until the wheels fell off and then buy another 3-400 dollar ASUS or Acer. I do that about every 18-24 months or so for my "surfing boxes" at the house. The ancillary bonus to this is I always have a few spare laptops hanging around to repurpose for the house or kids. Wow. I really didn't mean anything personal, you don't need to get offended. Read the whole post. The amount of time wasted watching this computer reboot through its bios cycle is inexcusable. Lenovo's tech support answer was "upgrade your drivers" Yes, it is a single data point based on a single computer and I could be convinced that it is a lemon. You got a lot of direct experience with a fleet of Lenovo's to share? The claim that there are millions deployed with no real problems, seems unlikely with any equipment. I'm adopting the same attitude regarding longevity in laptops, it really doesn't make sense to invest a lot in a machine that could be lost, stolen or broken. They don't go obsolete as quickly anymore, though. |
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Wow. I really didn't mean anything personal, you don't need to get offended. Read the whole post. The amount of time wasted watching this computer reboot through its bios cycle is inexcusable. Lenovo's tech support answer was "upgrade your drivers" Yes, it is a single data point based on a single computer and I could be convinced that it is a lemon. You got a lot of direct experience with a fleet of Lenovo's to share? The claim that there are millions deployed with no real problems, seems unlikely with any equipment. I'm adopting the same attitude regarding longevity in laptops, it really doesn't make sense to invest a lot in a machine that could be lost, stolen or broken. They don't go obsolete as quickly anymore, though. Quoted:
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Lenovo is no longer GTG. I say this as a long time Lenovo customer going back to the IBM days. Presently I'm using my third Lenovo laptop, a T51. It has had a litany of problems It came with windows 7, and would randomly shut down then take 10 - 15 minutes to reboot. No combination of driver updates or fixes would appease it That finally got better with an upgrade to 10, it's been fairly solid since that upgrade. It refuses to remain connected to my wi fi network. The latest problem came when I hooked it to my Icom ham radio through the USB port. I noticed that the noise level on the radio increased when the port was plugged in. Finally it blew up the radio's USB port due to a ground loop. I also don't like the new track pad, where the whole thing moves as the right click button. Personal preference but it just feels clunky. Complete and utter bull shit. Lenovo is still cranking hundreds of thousands of some of the most solid, reliable and well built business class laptops on the planet. I say this an IT professional who actually deals with a LOT of different OEMs. You had a problem with a HAM radio connection to your USB port and you can't get your wireless working right and you blame that on a single T51 and suddenly the whole brand is shit. Meanwhile, dozens of huge multi-national, multi-billion dollar corporations and small businesses throughout the world have millions of deployed Lenovos with no real problems, beyond what is expected in the "computing" world. OP a new T560 is *just* over 800 bucks, right now. I think it would be a great investment that I would expect to last you 7-10 years (barring mechanical failures) with your current needs. Were it me, I view laptops as a disposable electronic. I would get a kickass 400 dollar ASUS or Acer and drive it until the wheels fell off and then buy another 3-400 dollar ASUS or Acer. I do that about every 18-24 months or so for my "surfing boxes" at the house. The ancillary bonus to this is I always have a few spare laptops hanging around to repurpose for the house or kids. Wow. I really didn't mean anything personal, you don't need to get offended. Read the whole post. The amount of time wasted watching this computer reboot through its bios cycle is inexcusable. Lenovo's tech support answer was "upgrade your drivers" Yes, it is a single data point based on a single computer and I could be convinced that it is a lemon. You got a lot of direct experience with a fleet of Lenovo's to share? The claim that there are millions deployed with no real problems, seems unlikely with any equipment. I'm adopting the same attitude regarding longevity in laptops, it really doesn't make sense to invest a lot in a machine that could be lost, stolen or broken. They don't go obsolete as quickly anymore, though. Sorry if I sounded grumpy, I usually do. It's a peeve of mine when a computer user has a single bad experience and exclaims "Lenovo (or any large swath of any product) is no longer GTG." Computers are incredibly complex electronic devices. This seems counter-intuitive since they are so ubiquitous but, it's true nonetheless. You had difficulty with two specific (one of which is so niche as to be limited to maybe one tenth of one percent of the population) applications and have declared and entire brand to be "no longer GTG." That simply SCREAMS ignorance. Either of your issues (including the initial reboots and performance problems) could have been caused by any number of outside influences. And, even if they were directly the fault of the manufacturer, you're still discussing a data pool of ONE. FWIW, I didn't say Lenovo had "no issues." I said they had "no real problems, beyond what is expected in the 'computing' world." Like any product, particularly those with a combination of electrical and mechanical components, operated by a human, there are failures. My experience shows their failures are well within tolerances and, in many cases, much lower than similarly priced products. I don't have an emotional attachment to Lenovo. I just get grumpy when people make sweeping generalizations based on the smallest of samples. All that said, I agree that laptops don't go obsolete as quickly as before. That's why I generally find a good use for my old ones. I have them around the house for in place stations and my kids use (and break) the fuck out of them. For instance, I have one mounted under the cabinets in my kitchen, upside down (screen rotated) so I can surf recipes or cooking techniques without running into the living room or toting a tablet around the kitchen. One in the garage for looking up shop drawings and stuff. One in each bathroom for poop surfing. You get the idea. At a couple of hundred bucks each, they're disposable for daily use and still useful for niche projects afterwards. |
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I got a Dell Latitude 3570 back in March on sale. 600 bucks, IIRC. I use it as a backup for a 6yo desktop that has some legacy programs. Except for when Bitdefender went rogue and buggered both of them the laptop is ok. I'm mainly using it for some financial spreadsheets, wading thru emails and posting in GD. It's a little slow on startup and shutdown but for a stripped down job it does the job for me. I may get off my duff and check the services. Or not.
I had a Lenovo desktop at work for awhile before I retired. Thought it was great, but I was moving up from a Compaq 286 so figure that in. 
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I have a 7 year old LENOVO . It's been great Its a G550 . It runs with vista . Never had an issue with it ever. Just kept Norton updated . I think its time for a new one. I'm thinking about sticking with Lenovo and maybe a thinktop version around $ 800 . My budget is $500- $800 . I don't do nothing but surf and research stuff and of course ARFcom . Youtube some music and videos . I just don't want to go cheap and regret it. But not overspend . What says the Ole Mighty HIVE ,. TIA WardawgGet a Chromebook or an android tablet. No reason to spend that much. |
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Do you find the performance acceptable? I know you just said "surfing boxes" but even then stuff in the $400 range always seems to have poor low resolution displays, slow HDDs (unless you upgrade to a SSD for more money,) super low end processors, and they're generally really thick and heavy compared to more expensive laptops. Regarding Lenovo, I've got a Yoga 900 and other than the touchpad being a little loose (I simply removed the bottom panel and shimmed it) I've been really happy with it. Quoted:
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Lenovo is no longer GTG. I say this as a long time Lenovo customer going back to the IBM days. Presently I'm using my third Lenovo laptop, a T51. It has had a litany of problems It came with windows 7, and would randomly shut down then take 10 - 15 minutes to reboot. No combination of driver updates or fixes would appease it That finally got better with an upgrade to 10, it's been fairly solid since that upgrade. It refuses to remain connected to my wi fi network. The latest problem came when I hooked it to my Icom ham radio through the USB port. I noticed that the noise level on the radio increased when the port was plugged in. Finally it blew up the radio's USB port due to a ground loop. I also don't like the new track pad, where the whole thing moves as the right click button. Personal preference but it just feels clunky. Complete and utter bull shit. Lenovo is still cranking hundreds of thousands of some of the most solid, reliable and well built business class laptops on the planet. I say this an IT professional who actually deals with a LOT of different OEMs. You had a problem with a HAM radio connection to your USB port and you can't get your wireless working right and you blame that on a single T51 and suddenly the whole brand is shit. Meanwhile, dozens of huge multi-national, multi-billion dollar corporations and small businesses throughout the world have millions of deployed Lenovos with no real problems, beyond what is expected in the "computing" world. OP a new T560 is *just* over 800 bucks, right now. I think it would be a great investment that I would expect to last you 7-10 years (barring mechanical failures) with your current needs. Were it me, I view laptops as a disposable electronic. I would get a kickass 400 dollar ASUS or Acer and drive it until the wheels fell off and then buy another 3-400 dollar ASUS or Acer. I do that about every 18-24 months or so for my "surfing boxes" at the house. The ancillary bonus to this is I always have a few spare laptops hanging around to repurpose for the house or kids. Do you find the performance acceptable? I know you just said "surfing boxes" but even then stuff in the $400 range always seems to have poor low resolution displays, slow HDDs (unless you upgrade to a SSD for more money,) super low end processors, and they're generally really thick and heavy compared to more expensive laptops. Regarding Lenovo, I've got a Yoga 900 and other than the touchpad being a little loose (I simply removed the bottom panel and shimmed it) I've been really happy with it. For couch surfing, YouTube and the occasional game, I love low end laptops. I don't care about the speed of the HDD, the resolution (beyond ~720p) or much else. I'm surfing the web. When I have *real* work (or gaming) to do I have a $3k desktop with a triple monitor setup. One of the first things I learned in the technology industry is this: Buy the right tool for the job at hand. If you buy a $1800 dollar Mac to surf the web and do spreadsheets, you're an idiot. I don't care how much disposable income you have. it's the wrong tool for the job. If you're doing *real* content creation on a PC, you're an idiot. I don't care how much money you throw at your PC, it will never be a Mac and Macs, hands down, are built for content creation. If you spend 2 hours a week gaming and you buy a $2300 "gaming laptop" without some other REALLY rare constraints, you're using the wrong tool for a very LARGE portion of your computing time and a making a HUGE trade off when you *do* want to game. When people ask me what kind of computer they should buy I ask them, first, what are you going to do with it, really, do with it, for more than 80 percent of the time you're on it. If the answer is "I'm going to play the latest FPS games in UHD and expect 120 frames per second for 6 hour stretches." I don't tell them to buy the most powerful laptop available. I tell them to buy a desk and then build a desktop. If, like the OP, the answer is "general computing, web surfing" then, I suggest a 3 or 4 hundred dollar ASUS or Acer with an eye to replace within 3 years. If there's a reluctance to replace (like the OP) and some brand loyalty already instilled (like the OP) I recommend something like I did. |
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I have an Acer with and i5 gen 5 or 6, 8 gigs of ram, 15th hd, 8gb ssd, 15inch screen, and an Nvidia 940m for 469 about 1.5 years ago
Smoking introductory deal but haven't had any problems just as fast as the day I got it. The key to keep a computer running well- don't look at free open sites on it. |
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For couch surfing, YouTube and the occasional game, I love low end laptops. I don't care about the speed of the HDD, the resolution (beyond ~720p) or much else. I'm surfing the web. When I have *real* work (or gaming) to do I have a $3k desktop with a triple monitor setup. One of the first things I learned in the technology industry is this: Buy the right tool for the job at hand. If you buy a $1800 dollar Mac to surf the web and do spreadsheets, you're an idiot. I don't care how much disposable income you have. it's the wrong tool for the job. If you're doing *real* content creation on a PC, you're an idiot. I don't care how much money you throw at your PC, it will never be a Mac and Macs, hands down, are built for content creation. If you spend 2 hours a week gaming and you buy a $2300 "gaming laptop" without some other REALLY rare constraints, you're using the wrong tool for a very LARGE portion of your computing time and a making a HUGE trade off when you *do* want to game. When people ask me what kind of computer they should buy I ask them, first, what are you going to do with it, really, do with it, for more than 80 percent of the time you're on it. If the answer is "I'm going to play the latest FPS games in UHD and expect 120 frames per second for 6 hour stretches." I don't tell them to buy the most powerful laptop available. I tell them to buy a desk and then build a desktop. If, like the OP, the answer is "general computing, web surfing" then, I suggest a 3 or 4 hundred dollar ASUS or Acer with an eye to replace within 3 years. If there's a reluctance to replace (like the OP) and some brand loyalty already instilled (like the OP) I recommend something like I did. Quoted:
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Lenovo is no longer GTG. I say this as a long time Lenovo customer going back to the IBM days. Presently I'm using my third Lenovo laptop, a T51. It has had a litany of problems It came with windows 7, and would randomly shut down then take 10 - 15 minutes to reboot. No combination of driver updates or fixes would appease it That finally got better with an upgrade to 10, it's been fairly solid since that upgrade. It refuses to remain connected to my wi fi network. The latest problem came when I hooked it to my Icom ham radio through the USB port. I noticed that the noise level on the radio increased when the port was plugged in. Finally it blew up the radio's USB port due to a ground loop. I also don't like the new track pad, where the whole thing moves as the right click button. Personal preference but it just feels clunky. Complete and utter bull shit. Lenovo is still cranking hundreds of thousands of some of the most solid, reliable and well built business class laptops on the planet. I say this an IT professional who actually deals with a LOT of different OEMs. You had a problem with a HAM radio connection to your USB port and you can't get your wireless working right and you blame that on a single T51 and suddenly the whole brand is shit. Meanwhile, dozens of huge multi-national, multi-billion dollar corporations and small businesses throughout the world have millions of deployed Lenovos with no real problems, beyond what is expected in the "computing" world. OP a new T560 is *just* over 800 bucks, right now. I think it would be a great investment that I would expect to last you 7-10 years (barring mechanical failures) with your current needs. Were it me, I view laptops as a disposable electronic. I would get a kickass 400 dollar ASUS or Acer and drive it until the wheels fell off and then buy another 3-400 dollar ASUS or Acer. I do that about every 18-24 months or so for my "surfing boxes" at the house. The ancillary bonus to this is I always have a few spare laptops hanging around to repurpose for the house or kids. Do you find the performance acceptable? I know you just said "surfing boxes" but even then stuff in the $400 range always seems to have poor low resolution displays, slow HDDs (unless you upgrade to a SSD for more money,) super low end processors, and they're generally really thick and heavy compared to more expensive laptops. Regarding Lenovo, I've got a Yoga 900 and other than the touchpad being a little loose (I simply removed the bottom panel and shimmed it) I've been really happy with it. For couch surfing, YouTube and the occasional game, I love low end laptops. I don't care about the speed of the HDD, the resolution (beyond ~720p) or much else. I'm surfing the web. When I have *real* work (or gaming) to do I have a $3k desktop with a triple monitor setup. One of the first things I learned in the technology industry is this: Buy the right tool for the job at hand. If you buy a $1800 dollar Mac to surf the web and do spreadsheets, you're an idiot. I don't care how much disposable income you have. it's the wrong tool for the job. If you're doing *real* content creation on a PC, you're an idiot. I don't care how much money you throw at your PC, it will never be a Mac and Macs, hands down, are built for content creation. If you spend 2 hours a week gaming and you buy a $2300 "gaming laptop" without some other REALLY rare constraints, you're using the wrong tool for a very LARGE portion of your computing time and a making a HUGE trade off when you *do* want to game. When people ask me what kind of computer they should buy I ask them, first, what are you going to do with it, really, do with it, for more than 80 percent of the time you're on it. If the answer is "I'm going to play the latest FPS games in UHD and expect 120 frames per second for 6 hour stretches." I don't tell them to buy the most powerful laptop available. I tell them to buy a desk and then build a desktop. If, like the OP, the answer is "general computing, web surfing" then, I suggest a 3 or 4 hundred dollar ASUS or Acer with an eye to replace within 3 years. If there's a reluctance to replace (like the OP) and some brand loyalty already instilled (like the OP) I recommend something like I did. Well, I never mentioned gaming, Macs, $2000+ budgets, content creation, triple monitors, or anything else like that. I asked a simple question about your experience with very low end laptops and you created a bunch of strawman arguments and then ranted about random shit. My question, and the point I was getting at, was related to the fact that $400 laptops generally suck right out of the box. They're slow to boot, slow to open applications, the screens are poor, they're usually really thick and heavy, battery life is generally shit, and (as you kind of alluded to) you end up replacing them regularly. Since you're all about using the right tool for the job, and the OP is willing to spend more money on a higher quality laptop and also seems to keep his stuff for longer than a year, why not recommend something more in-line with the OP's budget and likely replacement cycle? People I work with often buy these throwaway $300-400 laptops and ask me for help setting them up and even after removing all the bloatware they're still miserable computers to use starting from day 1. |
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Well, I never mentioned gaming, Macs, $2000+ budgets, content creation, triple monitors, or anything else like that. I asked a simple question about your experience with very low end laptops and you created a bunch of strawman arguments and then ranted about random shit. My question, and the point I was getting at, was related to the fact that $400 laptops generally suck right out of the box. They're slow to boot, slow to open applications, the screens are poor, they're usually really thick and heavy, battery life is generally shit, and (as you kind of alluded to) you end up replacing them regularly. Since you're all about using the right tool for the job, and the OP is willing to spend more money on a higher quality laptop and also seems to keep his stuff for longer than a year, why not recommend something more in-line with the OP's budget and likely replacement cycle? People I work with often buy these throwaway $300-400 laptops and ask me for help setting them up and even after removing all the bloatware they're still miserable computers to use starting from day 1. Quoted:
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Lenovo is no longer GTG. I say this as a long time Lenovo customer going back to the IBM days. Presently I'm using my third Lenovo laptop, a T51. It has had a litany of problems It came with windows 7, and would randomly shut down then take 10 - 15 minutes to reboot. No combination of driver updates or fixes would appease it That finally got better with an upgrade to 10, it's been fairly solid since that upgrade. It refuses to remain connected to my wi fi network. The latest problem came when I hooked it to my Icom ham radio through the USB port. I noticed that the noise level on the radio increased when the port was plugged in. Finally it blew up the radio's USB port due to a ground loop. I also don't like the new track pad, where the whole thing moves as the right click button. Personal preference but it just feels clunky. Complete and utter bull shit. Lenovo is still cranking hundreds of thousands of some of the most solid, reliable and well built business class laptops on the planet. I say this an IT professional who actually deals with a LOT of different OEMs. You had a problem with a HAM radio connection to your USB port and you can't get your wireless working right and you blame that on a single T51 and suddenly the whole brand is shit. Meanwhile, dozens of huge multi-national, multi-billion dollar corporations and small businesses throughout the world have millions of deployed Lenovos with no real problems, beyond what is expected in the "computing" world. OP a new T560 is *just* over 800 bucks, right now. I think it would be a great investment that I would expect to last you 7-10 years (barring mechanical failures) with your current needs. Were it me, I view laptops as a disposable electronic. I would get a kickass 400 dollar ASUS or Acer and drive it until the wheels fell off and then buy another 3-400 dollar ASUS or Acer. I do that about every 18-24 months or so for my "surfing boxes" at the house. The ancillary bonus to this is I always have a few spare laptops hanging around to repurpose for the house or kids. Do you find the performance acceptable? I know you just said "surfing boxes" but even then stuff in the $400 range always seems to have poor low resolution displays, slow HDDs (unless you upgrade to a SSD for more money,) super low end processors, and they're generally really thick and heavy compared to more expensive laptops. Regarding Lenovo, I've got a Yoga 900 and other than the touchpad being a little loose (I simply removed the bottom panel and shimmed it) I've been really happy with it. For couch surfing, YouTube and the occasional game, I love low end laptops. I don't care about the speed of the HDD, the resolution (beyond ~720p) or much else. I'm surfing the web. When I have *real* work (or gaming) to do I have a $3k desktop with a triple monitor setup. One of the first things I learned in the technology industry is this: Buy the right tool for the job at hand. If you buy a $1800 dollar Mac to surf the web and do spreadsheets, you're an idiot. I don't care how much disposable income you have. it's the wrong tool for the job. If you're doing *real* content creation on a PC, you're an idiot. I don't care how much money you throw at your PC, it will never be a Mac and Macs, hands down, are built for content creation. If you spend 2 hours a week gaming and you buy a $2300 "gaming laptop" without some other REALLY rare constraints, you're using the wrong tool for a very LARGE portion of your computing time and a making a HUGE trade off when you *do* want to game. When people ask me what kind of computer they should buy I ask them, first, what are you going to do with it, really, do with it, for more than 80 percent of the time you're on it. If the answer is "I'm going to play the latest FPS games in UHD and expect 120 frames per second for 6 hour stretches." I don't tell them to buy the most powerful laptop available. I tell them to buy a desk and then build a desktop. If, like the OP, the answer is "general computing, web surfing" then, I suggest a 3 or 4 hundred dollar ASUS or Acer with an eye to replace within 3 years. If there's a reluctance to replace (like the OP) and some brand loyalty already instilled (like the OP) I recommend something like I did. Well, I never mentioned gaming, Macs, $2000+ budgets, content creation, triple monitors, or anything else like that. I asked a simple question about your experience with very low end laptops and you created a bunch of strawman arguments and then ranted about random shit. My question, and the point I was getting at, was related to the fact that $400 laptops generally suck right out of the box. They're slow to boot, slow to open applications, the screens are poor, they're usually really thick and heavy, battery life is generally shit, and (as you kind of alluded to) you end up replacing them regularly. Since you're all about using the right tool for the job, and the OP is willing to spend more money on a higher quality laptop and also seems to keep his stuff for longer than a year, why not recommend something more in-line with the OP's budget and likely replacement cycle? People I work with often buy these throwaway $300-400 laptops and ask me for help setting them up and even after removing all the bloatware they're still miserable computers to use starting from day 1. I did. I recommended the T560 in my first post. RIF. |
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Complete and utter bull shit. Lenovo is still cranking hundreds of thousands of some of the most solid, reliable and well built business class laptops on the planet. I say this an IT professional who actually deals with a LOT of different OEMs. You had a problem with a HAM radio connection to your USB port and you can't get your wireless working right and you blame that on a single T51 and suddenly the whole brand is shit. Meanwhile, dozens of huge multi-national, multi-billion dollar corporations and small businesses throughout the world have millions of deployed Lenovos with no real problems, beyond what is expected in the "computing" world. OP a new T560 is *just* over 800 bucks, right now. I think it would be a great investment that I would expect to last you 7-10 years (barring mechanical failures) with your current needs. Were it me, I view laptops as a disposable electronic. I would get a kickass 400 dollar ASUS or Acer and drive it until the wheels fell off and then buy another 3-400 dollar ASUS or Acer. I do that about every 18-24 months or so for my "surfing boxes" at the house. The ancillary bonus to this is I always have a few spare laptops hanging around to repurpose for the house or kids. Do you find the performance acceptable? I know you just said "surfing boxes" but even then stuff in the $400 range always seems to have poor low resolution displays, slow HDDs (unless you upgrade to a SSD for more money,) super low end processors, and they're generally really thick and heavy compared to more expensive laptops. Regarding Lenovo, I've got a Yoga 900 and other than the touchpad being a little loose (I simply removed the bottom panel and shimmed it) I've been really happy with it. For couch surfing, YouTube and the occasional game, I love low end laptops. I don't care about the speed of the HDD, the resolution (beyond ~720p) or much else. I'm surfing the web. When I have *real* work (or gaming) to do I have a $3k desktop with a triple monitor setup. One of the first things I learned in the technology industry is this: Buy the right tool for the job at hand. If you buy a $1800 dollar Mac to surf the web and do spreadsheets, you're an idiot. I don't care how much disposable income you have. it's the wrong tool for the job. If you're doing *real* content creation on a PC, you're an idiot. I don't care how much money you throw at your PC, it will never be a Mac and Macs, hands down, are built for content creation. If you spend 2 hours a week gaming and you buy a $2300 "gaming laptop" without some other REALLY rare constraints, you're using the wrong tool for a very LARGE portion of your computing time and a making a HUGE trade off when you *do* want to game. When people ask me what kind of computer they should buy I ask them, first, what are you going to do with it, really, do with it, for more than 80 percent of the time you're on it. If the answer is "I'm going to play the latest FPS games in UHD and expect 120 frames per second for 6 hour stretches." I don't tell them to buy the most powerful laptop available. I tell them to buy a desk and then build a desktop. If, like the OP, the answer is "general computing, web surfing" then, I suggest a 3 or 4 hundred dollar ASUS or Acer with an eye to replace within 3 years. If there's a reluctance to replace (like the OP) and some brand loyalty already instilled (like the OP) I recommend something like I did. Well, I never mentioned gaming, Macs, $2000+ budgets, content creation, triple monitors, or anything else like that. I asked a simple question about your experience with very low end laptops and you created a bunch of strawman arguments and then ranted about random shit. My question, and the point I was getting at, was related to the fact that $400 laptops generally suck right out of the box. They're slow to boot, slow to open applications, the screens are poor, they're usually really thick and heavy, battery life is generally shit, and (as you kind of alluded to) you end up replacing them regularly. Since you're all about using the right tool for the job, and the OP is willing to spend more money on a higher quality laptop and also seems to keep his stuff for longer than a year, why not recommend something more in-line with the OP's budget and likely replacement cycle? People I work with often buy these throwaway $300-400 laptops and ask me for help setting them up and even after removing all the bloatware they're still miserable computers to use starting from day 1. I did. I recommended the T560 in my first post. RIF. So then what was the purpose of your strawmen and ranting? Did you just feel the need to swing your dick around, talk about your $3000 desktop with triple monitors, and use some fancy words? |
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Lenovo is no longer GTG. I say this as a long time Lenovo customer going back to the IBM days. Presently I'm using my third Lenovo laptop, a T51. It has had a litany of problems It came with windows 7, and would randomly shut down then take 10 - 15 minutes to reboot. No combination of driver updates or fixes would appease it That finally got better with an upgrade to 10, it's been fairly solid since that upgrade. It refuses to remain connected to my wi fi network. The latest problem came when I hooked it to my Icom ham radio through the USB port. I noticed that the noise level on the radio increased when the port was plugged in. Finally it blew up the radio's USB port due to a ground loop. I also don't like the new track pad, where the whole thing moves as the right click button. Personal preference but it just feels clunky. you base this on ONE machine ? |
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I have an HP Spectre 360 and the wife has a Lenovo. From those experiences, I'd look for something with the 360 degree hinge so you can use it as a laptop, tablet or in tent mode. Would also look for something with an SSID. When it comes to graphics, the i7 is a slow dog in a laptop and not worth the money. It doesn't sound like you'll be traveling with it so a 15" screen should be fine for you. They're usually cheaper than the 13" versions.
The people at Best Buy were pretty good at recommendations. With the HP, I already knew what I wanted, so was just an issue of seeing what they could do in price, but the Lenovo was their recommendation and it's been great. You'll have to evaluate your habits to see if the extended warranty is worth it for you. The 3 year droppage, spillage, etceterage warranty has paid off for me with several laptops over the years. |
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I have an HP Spectre 360 and the wife has a Lenovo. From those experiences, I'd look for something with the 360 degree hinge so you can use it as a laptop, tablet or in tent mode. Would also look for something with an SSID. When it comes to graphics, the i7 is a slow dog in a laptop and not worth the money. It doesn't sound like you'll be traveling with it so a 15" screen should be fine for you. They're usually cheaper than the 13" versions. The people at Best Buy were pretty good at recommendations. With the HP, I already knew what I wanted, so was just an issue of seeing what they could do in price, but the Lenovo was their recommendation and it's been great. You'll have to evaluate your habits to see if the extended warranty is worth it for you. The 3 year droppage, spillage, etceterage warranty has paid off for me with several laptops over the years. WTF? |
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I have an HP Spectre 360 and the wife has a Lenovo. From those experiences, I'd look for something with the 360 degree hinge so you can use it as a laptop, tablet or in tent mode. Would also look for something with an SSID. When it comes to graphics, the i7 is a slow dog in a laptop and not worth the money. It doesn't sound like you'll be traveling with it so a 15" screen should be fine for you. They're usually cheaper than the 13" versions. The people at Best Buy were pretty good at recommendations. With the HP, I already knew what I wanted, so was just an issue of seeing what they could do in price, but the Lenovo was their recommendation and it's been great. You'll have to evaluate your habits to see if the extended warranty is worth it for you. The 3 year droppage, spillage, etceterage warranty has paid off for me with several laptops over the years. WTF? LOL. Was scratching my head as well... |
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Sorry if I sounded grumpy, I usually do. It's a peeve of mine when a computer user has a single bad experience and exclaims "Lenovo (or any large swath of any product) is no longer GTG." Computers are incredibly complex electronic devices. This seems counter-intuitive since they are so ubiquitous but, it's true nonetheless. You had difficulty with two specific (one of which is so niche as to be limited to maybe one tenth of one percent of the population) applications and have declared and entire brand to be "no longer GTG." That simply SCREAMS ignorance. Either of your issues (including the initial reboots and performance problems) could have been caused by any number of outside influences. And, even if they were directly the fault of the manufacturer, you're still discussing a data pool of ONE. FWIW, I didn't say Lenovo had "no issues." I said they had "no real problems, beyond what is expected in the 'computing' world." Like any product, particularly those with a combination of electrical and mechanical components, operated by a human, there are failures. My experience shows their failures are well within tolerances and, in many cases, much lower than similarly priced products. I don't have an emotional attachment to Lenovo. I just get grumpy when people make sweeping generalizations based on the smallest of samples. All that said, I agree that laptops don't go obsolete as quickly as before. That's why I generally find a good use for my old ones. I have them around the house for in place stations and my kids use (and break) the fuck out of them. For instance, I have one mounted under the cabinets in my kitchen, upside down (screen rotated) so I can surf recipes or cooking techniques without running into the living room or toting a tablet around the kitchen. One in the garage for looking up shop drawings and stuff. One in each bathroom for poop surfing. You get the idea. At a couple of hundred bucks each, they're disposable for daily use and still useful for niche projects afterwards. Quoted:
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Lenovo is no longer GTG. I say this as a long time Lenovo customer going back to the IBM days. Presently I'm using my third Lenovo laptop, a T51. It has had a litany of problems It came with windows 7, and would randomly shut down then take 10 - 15 minutes to reboot. No combination of driver updates or fixes would appease it That finally got better with an upgrade to 10, it's been fairly solid since that upgrade. It refuses to remain connected to my wi fi network. The latest problem came when I hooked it to my Icom ham radio through the USB port. I noticed that the noise level on the radio increased when the port was plugged in. Finally it blew up the radio's USB port due to a ground loop. I also don't like the new track pad, where the whole thing moves as the right click button. Personal preference but it just feels clunky. Complete and utter bull shit. Lenovo is still cranking hundreds of thousands of some of the most solid, reliable and well built business class laptops on the planet. I say this an IT professional who actually deals with a LOT of different OEMs. You had a problem with a HAM radio connection to your USB port and you can't get your wireless working right and you blame that on a single T51 and suddenly the whole brand is shit. Meanwhile, dozens of huge multi-national, multi-billion dollar corporations and small businesses throughout the world have millions of deployed Lenovos with no real problems, beyond what is expected in the "computing" world. OP a new T560 is *just* over 800 bucks, right now. I think it would be a great investment that I would expect to last you 7-10 years (barring mechanical failures) with your current needs. Were it me, I view laptops as a disposable electronic. I would get a kickass 400 dollar ASUS or Acer and drive it until the wheels fell off and then buy another 3-400 dollar ASUS or Acer. I do that about every 18-24 months or so for my "surfing boxes" at the house. The ancillary bonus to this is I always have a few spare laptops hanging around to repurpose for the house or kids. Wow. I really didn't mean anything personal, you don't need to get offended. Read the whole post. The amount of time wasted watching this computer reboot through its bios cycle is inexcusable. Lenovo's tech support answer was "upgrade your drivers" Yes, it is a single data point based on a single computer and I could be convinced that it is a lemon. You got a lot of direct experience with a fleet of Lenovo's to share? The claim that there are millions deployed with no real problems, seems unlikely with any equipment. I'm adopting the same attitude regarding longevity in laptops, it really doesn't make sense to invest a lot in a machine that could be lost, stolen or broken. They don't go obsolete as quickly anymore, though. Sorry if I sounded grumpy, I usually do. It's a peeve of mine when a computer user has a single bad experience and exclaims "Lenovo (or any large swath of any product) is no longer GTG." Computers are incredibly complex electronic devices. This seems counter-intuitive since they are so ubiquitous but, it's true nonetheless. You had difficulty with two specific (one of which is so niche as to be limited to maybe one tenth of one percent of the population) applications and have declared and entire brand to be "no longer GTG." That simply SCREAMS ignorance. Either of your issues (including the initial reboots and performance problems) could have been caused by any number of outside influences. And, even if they were directly the fault of the manufacturer, you're still discussing a data pool of ONE. FWIW, I didn't say Lenovo had "no issues." I said they had "no real problems, beyond what is expected in the 'computing' world." Like any product, particularly those with a combination of electrical and mechanical components, operated by a human, there are failures. My experience shows their failures are well within tolerances and, in many cases, much lower than similarly priced products. I don't have an emotional attachment to Lenovo. I just get grumpy when people make sweeping generalizations based on the smallest of samples. All that said, I agree that laptops don't go obsolete as quickly as before. That's why I generally find a good use for my old ones. I have them around the house for in place stations and my kids use (and break) the fuck out of them. For instance, I have one mounted under the cabinets in my kitchen, upside down (screen rotated) so I can surf recipes or cooking techniques without running into the living room or toting a tablet around the kitchen. One in the garage for looking up shop drawings and stuff. One in each bathroom for poop surfing. You get the idea. At a couple of hundred bucks each, they're disposable for daily use and still useful for niche projects afterwards. My X250 at work is a solid piece of shit. It got so many seizures I stopped counting. And no one has an idea why. We tried clean installs etc. No change. It works well for a week, then I got seizures every 2-3 hours. Sometimes it just goes out without warning (turns off, no BSOD or heat problem ) Then it works well for 2 days until the problems just show up again. Complete POS. If it were mine I would drop it on the highway. My X61(s), X200(s) and X201 otoh never caused ANY problem at all. My daily use X200s looks like a POC after the many years of daily use, but still works like a charm. |
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Lenovo is still cranking hundreds of thousands of some of the most solid, reliable and well built business class laptops on the planet. I say this an IT professional who actually deals with a LOT of different OEMs. You had a problem with a HAM radio connection to your USB port and you can't get your wireless working right and you blame that on a single T51 and suddenly the whole brand is shit. Meanwhile, dozens of huge multi-national, multi-billion dollar corporations and small businesses throughout the world have millions of deployed Lenovos with no real problems, beyond what is expected in the "computing" world. OP a new T560 is *just* over 800 bucks, right now. I think it would be a great investment that I would expect to last you 7-10 years (barring mechanical failures) with your current needs. Were it me, I view laptops as a disposable electronic. I would get a kickass 400 dollar ASUS or Acer and drive it until the wheels fell off and then buy another 3-400 dollar ASUS or Acer. I do that about every 18-24 months or so for my "surfing boxes" at the house. The ancillary bonus to this is I always have a few spare laptops hanging around to repurpose for the house or kids. Wow. I really didn't mean anything personal, you don't need to get offended. Read the whole post. The amount of time wasted watching this computer reboot through its bios cycle is inexcusable. Lenovo's tech support answer was "upgrade your drivers" Yes, it is a single data point based on a single computer and I could be convinced that it is a lemon. You got a lot of direct experience with a fleet of Lenovo's to share? The claim that there are millions deployed with no real problems, seems unlikely with any equipment. I'm adopting the same attitude regarding longevity in laptops, it really doesn't make sense to invest a lot in a machine that could be lost, stolen or broken. They don't go obsolete as quickly anymore, though. Sorry if I sounded grumpy, I usually do. It's a peeve of mine when a computer user has a single bad experience and exclaims "Lenovo (or any large swath of any product) is no longer GTG." Computers are incredibly complex electronic devices. This seems counter-intuitive since they are so ubiquitous but, it's true nonetheless. You had difficulty with two specific (one of which is so niche as to be limited to maybe one tenth of one percent of the population) applications and have declared and entire brand to be "no longer GTG." That simply SCREAMS ignorance. Either of your issues (including the initial reboots and performance problems) could have been caused by any number of outside influences. And, even if they were directly the fault of the manufacturer, you're still discussing a data pool of ONE. FWIW, I didn't say Lenovo had "no issues." I said they had "no real problems, beyond what is expected in the 'computing' world." Like any product, particularly those with a combination of electrical and mechanical components, operated by a human, there are failures. My experience shows their failures are well within tolerances and, in many cases, much lower than similarly priced products. I don't have an emotional attachment to Lenovo. I just get grumpy when people make sweeping generalizations based on the smallest of samples. All that said, I agree that laptops don't go obsolete as quickly as before. That's why I generally find a good use for my old ones. I have them around the house for in place stations and my kids use (and break) the fuck out of them. For instance, I have one mounted under the cabinets in my kitchen, upside down (screen rotated) so I can surf recipes or cooking techniques without running into the living room or toting a tablet around the kitchen. One in the garage for looking up shop drawings and stuff. One in each bathroom for poop surfing. You get the idea. At a couple of hundred bucks each, they're disposable for daily use and still useful for niche projects afterwards. My X250 at work is a solid piece of shit. It got so many seizures I stopped counting. And no one has an idea why. We tried clean installs etc. No change. It works well for a week, then I got seizures every 2-3 hours. Sometimes it just goes out without warning (turns off, no BSOD or heat problem ) Then it works well for 2 days until the problems just show up again. Complete POS. If it were mine I would drop it on the highway. My X61(s), X200(s) and X201 otoh never caused ANY problem at all. My daily use X200s looks like a POC after the many years of daily use, but still works like a charm. Enterprise environment? OS? Daily use? Let's solve your problem, not cll one of the largest OEMs in the industry a fag. |
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You buy a cheap laptop even 24 mo to surf the web. I buy an expensive one every 8 years. Except for that $150 HP. Never buy an HP. This! Lousy CS. Also stay away from Acer. My brother worked for them and guess who does not own a single acer product? They crap the bed faster than you can say shiiiiiit. I made the mistake of buying an ACER AA0150 and had its HDD fail. It took me over an hour to disassemble it, replace the HDD, and reassembling it. Never again, as I can do the same with my X60s/X61(s)/X200(s) and X201 within 30 seconds. No, really 30 seconds. Oh, did I forget to mention that they also had a serious BIOS problem where you did have to have a USB stick at hand ALL THE F.NG TIME because the BIOS could just die at any second and then needed reinstallation? It happened to me on that AA0150 once, then I found out about that problem and have not used the POS since them. Still has XP on it. BIOS battery is probably death by now, too bad as it was soldered solidely on the board. Did I mention that Acer produced SHIT? Acer is just pure SHIT, just to make sure you know.
Yay! Another user with a sample pool of ONE declaring one of the most popular home user market products to be crap, because a mechanical part failed, and he couldn't fix it quickly. |
Too bad about the screen size though. I tried to live with a Netbook for a while and the screen size made me crazy. Quoted:
get a used macbook pro. 2012 'ish or better model with as much RAM as you can find. You should be able to easily grab a MBP in that price range. I'm on a 15" from 2012 now and it's very very fast, easy to use. I'm not a mac guy either, mostly windows, but for laptops, they can't be beat. I know I would like to find one, but I hate to drop a lot of money on a used computer. That and finding a reputable dealer/not getting screwed is a concern. |
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I love this place! fixed my laptop for free last week 
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https://i1.wp.com/mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Denzel-Washington-Boom-Gif.gif Too bad about the screen size though. I tried to live with a Netbook for a while and the screen size made me crazy. I know I would like to find one, but I hate to drop a lot of money on a used computer. That and finding a reputable dealer/not getting screwed is a concern. Quoted:
https://i1.wp.com/mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Denzel-Washington-Boom-Gif.gif Too bad about the screen size though. I tried to live with a Netbook for a while and the screen size made me crazy. Quoted:
get a used macbook pro. 2012 'ish or better model with as much RAM as you can find. You should be able to easily grab a MBP in that price range. I'm on a 15" from 2012 now and it's very very fast, easy to use. I'm not a mac guy either, mostly windows, but for laptops, they can't be beat. I know I would like to find one, but I hate to drop a lot of money on a used computer. That and finding a reputable dealer/not getting screwed is a concern. For surfing at home hook it up to larger monitor. |