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4/24/2012 7:11:39 PM EDT
97 Cavalier 92K. Auto trans. Engine will stumble only in drive w/ brakes on. Otherwise fine... Any ideas on what this could be? Want to DYI preferrably. I am handy but lack in the diagnosis department.
4/24/2012 7:16:46 PM EDT
[#1]
Only in drive?  Not reverse or any other gear?
4/24/2012 7:19:17 PM EDT
[#2]
Go to autozone, they'll scan OBDII for codes free of charge.
4/24/2012 7:20:26 PM EDT
[#3]


 Neutral drop it a few times while holding the parking brake. Should fix the problem.

make sure to shoot video.   thank me later after you got 30 million hits on yutube  




4/24/2012 7:20:32 PM EDT
[#4]
Quoted:
Only in drive?  Not reverse or any other gear?


At idle, drive only. Not tried reverse. Assume it does for my question. I don't want to overlook any possibilities.
4/24/2012 7:20:44 PM EDT
[#5]
Could you be a little more specific?
 
4/24/2012 7:21:22 PM EDT
[#6]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Only in drive?  Not reverse or any other gear?


At idle, drive only. Not tried reverse. Assume it does for my question. I don't want to overlook any possibilities.


Vacuum leak

To test grab a can of carb cleaner and spray around vacuum lines, if engine revs when a connection is sprayed it is leaking.  Also you can use a stethoscope to listen around the engine for air hisses.
4/24/2012 7:22:29 PM EDT
[#7]



Quoted:



Quoted:

Only in drive?  Not reverse or any other gear?




At idle, drive only. Not tried reverse. Assume it does for my question. I don't want to overlook any possibilities.


The engine still has the full power range while driving, but wants to stall when in drive and stopped?



 
4/24/2012 7:23:15 PM EDT
[#8]
Quoted:


 Neutral drop it a few times while holding the parking brake. Should fix the problem.

make sure to shoot video.   thank me later after you got 30 million hits on yutube  






If I dont get this corrected Ill run a mag or three thru this at it,,,,That will fix that piece of shit right up.

4/24/2012 7:24:00 PM EDT
[#9]
Quoted:

Quoted:
Quoted:
Only in drive?  Not reverse or any other gear?


At idle, drive only. Not tried reverse. Assume it does for my question. I don't want to overlook any possibilities.

The engine still has the full power range while driving, but wants to stall when in drive and stopped?
 


Correct. Acelleration from a stop and it will stutter as well. BUT not all of the time. Just occassionally.
4/24/2012 7:25:06 PM EDT
[#10]
Carbon build-up. Good fuel system fogging should clean everything out.
Any CEL illumination ?
4/24/2012 7:25:19 PM EDT
[#11]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Only in drive?  Not reverse or any other gear?


At idle, drive only. Not tried reverse. Assume it does for my question. I don't want to overlook any possibilities.


Vacuum leak

To test grab a can of carb cleaner and spray around vacuum lines, if engine revs when a connection is sprayed it is leaking.  Also you can use a stethoscope to listen around the engine for air hisses.


My initial thought as well, with the limited data.
4/24/2012 7:25:24 PM EDT
[#12]
If it does it with the brakes applied, look for a vacuum leak on the power brake booster.

Disconnect (and plug) the vacuum line to the booster.  If the problem goes away, you found the source of your vacuum leak.  


 
4/24/2012 7:25:38 PM EDT
[#13]
Torque converter not unlocking?
4/24/2012 7:25:39 PM EDT
[#14]
Quoted:
Carbon build-up. Good fuel system fogging should clean everything out.
Any CEL illumination ?


Explain please.
4/24/2012 7:26:27 PM EDT
[#15]
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Torque converter not unlocking?


How would I check this?
4/24/2012 7:27:19 PM EDT
[#16]
Quoted:
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Carbon build-up. Good fuel system fogging should clean everything out.
Any CEL illumination ?


Explain please.


Sorry...Check Engine Light.
Egr could be gummed up also.
4/24/2012 7:29:43 PM EDT
[#17]
CEl = check engine light  Sounds  like it could be plugs or wires to me
4/24/2012 7:30:08 PM EDT
[#18]
Quoted:
Quoted:
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Carbon build-up. Good fuel system fogging should clean everything out.
Any CEL illumination ?


Explain please.


Sorry...Check Engine Light.
Egr could be gummed up also.


Negative no lights on... EXCEPT for the ABS light on occassion.
4/24/2012 7:30:40 PM EDT
[#19]
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CEl = check engine light  Sounds  like it could be plugs or wires to me


Plugs and wires changed
4/24/2012 7:31:47 PM EDT
[#20]
I'm thinking vacuum if he's got a CEL, otherwise I'm thinking the problem is downstream of the engine.  Those weren't the beefiest trans.
4/24/2012 7:32:50 PM EDT
[#21]

- Idle set too low
- Air intake valve (solenoid valve used to control idle speed) dirty or malfunctioning
- Some combination of the two
4/24/2012 7:42:52 PM EDT
[#22]
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I'm thinking vacuum if he's got a CEL, otherwise I'm thinking the problem is downstream of the engine.  Those weren't the beefiest trans.


NO CEL
4/24/2012 7:50:47 PM EDT
[#23]
If it does in fact do the same thing in other gears then, and with no CEL, I'd be looking at transmission issues (torque converter).  Just my .02

I just can't imagine that if it was engine related you wouldn't have some kind of CEL code being thrown.
4/24/2012 7:51:23 PM EDT
[#24]
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If it does it with the brakes applied, look for a vacuum leak on the power brake booster.
Disconnect (and plug) the vacuum line to the booster.  If the problem goes away, you found the source of your vacuum leak.  
 


This was going to be my guess. Vacuum leak will cause the problems you describe.  Get a spray bottle of diluted soap solution and spray the hoses/fitting to determine what is leaking.
4/24/2012 7:54:58 PM EDT
[#25]
I could probably figure it out but don't give shit, just being a post whore
4/24/2012 7:59:56 PM EDT
[#26]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Only in drive?  Not reverse or any other gear?


At idle, drive only. Not tried reverse. Assume it does for my question. I don't want to overlook any possibilities.


Vacuum leak

To test grab a can of carb cleaner and spray around vacuum lines, if engine revs when a connection is sprayed it is leaking.  Also you can use a stethoscope to listen around the engine for air hisses.


This.  You have a vacuum leak. Make sure your oil cap is on and tight, then start checking hoses.
4/24/2012 8:08:01 PM EDT
[#27]
Vacuum leak would definitely throw the CEL though.
4/24/2012 8:12:09 PM EDT
[#28]
Vac leak but ONLY if it does it in reverse also.  a vac leak would affect it when in gear.  Also maybe a fuel filter, since when in gear the engine is under load and requires more fuel.  If the filter is dirty it will restrict fuel flow.  Also possibly a dirty idle air control (IAC) valve.
4/24/2012 8:15:38 PM EDT
[#29]
Quoted:
Vacuum leak


Good call.

The fact that it only stumbles when the brakes are applied is a clue that the leak may be in the brake booster.

For confirmation, try disconnecting the vacuum hose from the brake booster, plugging it so that the engine can still develop vacuum. (You can zip-tie a plastic bag around the hose to temporarily plug it).

If the engine no longer stumbles when you press the brake pedal, the booster is almost certainly the culprit.

4/24/2012 8:29:51 PM EDT
[#30]
My vote is transmission.  Transmission trouble can look like engine problems before it quits working completely.
4/24/2012 8:31:31 PM EDT
[#31]
It sounds like a torque converter problem. I had an old Dodge Dakota that would do this.
4/24/2012 8:41:18 PM EDT
[#32]
At idle, in gear or not, foot on the brake or not, this year vehicle is running in open loop, ie: its putting fuel to the system at a preset rate.  If there was a vacuum leak the O2 sensor(s) would report a lean condition, throwing a CEL code.  No CEL code = not an engine problem (likely)
, or a selectively faulty ECU(much less likely).  OP, let us know what you find out.  My money is on the tranny, but I'm a shitty gambler.  

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4/24/2012 8:52:17 PM EDT
[#33]
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At idle, in gear or not, foot on the brake or not, this year vehicle is running in open loop, ie: its putting fuel to the system at a preset rate.  If there was a vacuum leak the O2 sensor(s) would report a lean condition, throwing a CEL code.  No CEL code = not an engine problem (likely), or a selectively faulty ECU.  OP, let us know what you find out.


Roger that.
4/24/2012 8:54:51 PM EDT
[#34]
Is it stumbling when you come to a stop and stalling like a manual would if you didn't hit the clutch?  If so transmission.
4/24/2012 8:55:58 PM EDT
[#35]
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If it does it with the brakes applied, look for a vacuum leak on the power brake booster.
Disconnect (and plug) the vacuum line to the booster.  If the problem goes away, you found the source of your vacuum leak.  
 


This.

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4/24/2012 9:00:54 PM EDT
[#36]
IAC (idle air control) motor probly has alot of carbon built up , this will give you idle problems. has to be taken off and cleaned at the tip and where drives into . its a black round motor at the throttle body , and has 2 screws mounting it to the side of the throttle body.