Posted: 3/28/2002 1:36:13 AM EDT
| Just heard on CBS "Up To The Minute" morning news show that GM was bringing back the 60's muscle car GTO for the 2004 model year.. Anyone else heard anything about this? Maybe a replacement for the discontinued Camaro/Firebird platform? |
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Quoted: Just heard on CBS "Up To The Minute" morning news show that GM was bringing back the 60's muscle car GTO for the 2004 model year.. Anyone else heard anything about this? Maybe a replacement for the discontinued Camaro/Firebird platform? That is the 60's muscle car huh?? Man was I fooled when I bought that '68 GTO, don't look nothing like that thing. It is truely a shame that Detroit muckety-mucks see fit to desecrate legends at every turn. With an import no less, WTF??? Hows about we try the old body style out with some new tech stuff, think LS6 engine (compliments of the Corvette Z06), upgraded suspension........ |
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Quoted: Quoted: Just heard on CBS "Up To The Minute" morning news show that GM was bringing back the 60's muscle car GTO for the 2004 model year.. Anyone else heard anything about this? Maybe a replacement for the discontinued Camaro/Firebird platform? That is the 60's muscle car huh?? Man was I fooled when I bought that '68 GTO, don't look nothing like that thing. It is truely a shame that Detroit muckety-mucks see fit to desecrate legends at every turn. With an import no less, WTF??? Hows about we try the old body style out with some new tech stuff, think LS6 engine (compliments of the Corvette Z06), upgraded suspension........ Two words... BOB LUTZ He ain't gonna let it be no panty waist car... Who's Bob? (Can you say VIPER) (Once he was director of BMW M) Need I say more? M4-AK |
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Quoted: That is NOT!!!! the GTO I saw at the Chicago auto show. It looked more like this: [img]http://scgg.simplenet.com/gifs/pontiac_gto5.jpg[/img] It was more for the muscle car GTO, Pontiac is also releasing "GTO" versions of many of it cars. Av. That's more like it. |
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Here we go: [img]http://members.telocity.com/~avalon01/ford_gt.jpeg[/img] The NEW GT 40. That is the car I saw at the auto show. Pontiac is giving many of their cars the "GTO" badge. Kinda like how Doge has all of the "R/T" badged cars. Av. Edit: Uhh... got my brands mixed up. I'm not a car guy. |
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Quoted: Here is a picture that I found after a quick search. Steve [img]http://www.drive.com.au/PHOTOS/PHOTO400/AUS/HOLDEN/MONARO/2001/2CO.JPG[/img] Interesting, your pic of a Holden Monaro looks just like this pic of an Opel (German GM division since the 1920s) Calibra [img]http://users.raketnet.nl/rene.welling/images/Calibra-geel_uitgebouwd.gif[/img] |
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The GT40 is still concept car, but the specs look nice: [b]GT40 CONCEPT TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS[/b] Construction Aluminum spaceframe, unstressed composite body Dimensions Length: 181.6 in (4613 mm) Width: 76.8 in (1950 mm) Height: 43.5 in (1106 mm) Wheelbase: 106.7 in (2710 mm) Track width, front: 64.4 in (1636 mm) Track width, rear: 65.0 in (1650 mm) Engine 5.4-liter, DOHC 32-valve, supercharged and intercooled MOD V-8 Aluminum block and heads Horsepower: 500 @ 5250 rpm Torque: 500 lb-ft @ 3250 rpm Bore: 3.55 in (90.2 mm) Stroke: 4.17 in (105.8 mm) Compression ratio: 8.5:1 Horsepower/liter: 88.9 Fuel requirement: 91 octane Fuel capacity: 28.4 gallons Transmission RBT 6-speed transaxle Ratios: 1st 2.86:1 2nd 2.06:1 3rd 1.47:1 4th 1.18:1 5th 0.958:1 6th 0.740:1 Reverse 2.86:1 Final drive ratio: 4.22:1, limited slip Suspension Front: Unequal-length control arm, push-rod/bell-crank system with longitudinal/horizontal spring-dampers Rear: Unequal-length control arm, push-rod/bell-crank system with longitudinal/horizontal spring-dampers Brakes Alcon 6-piston monoblock calipers Ceramic-based "Ceratec" friction material, 11.5 in2 (74 cm2) per pad Cross-drilled Alcon discs, 15.0-in (380 mm) diameter, 1.5-in (32 mm) width; 48 curved-vane design for enhanced cooling, lightweight aluminum hats Wheels and Tires Front Rear Wheels: 18" x 8" 19" x 10" Tires: 245/45R18 285/45R19 Construction Aluminum spaceframe, unstressed composite body Dimensions Length: 181.6 in (4613 mm) Width: 76.8 in (1950 mm) Height: 43.5 in (1106 mm) Wheelbase: 106.7 in (2710 mm) Track width, front: 64.4 in (1636 mm) Track width, rear: 65.0 in (1650 mm) Engine 5.4-liter, DOHC 32-valve, supercharged and intercooled MOD V-8 Aluminum block and heads Horsepower: 500 @ 5250 rpm Torque: 500 lb-ft @ 3250 rpm Bore: 3.55 in (90.2 mm) Stroke: 4.17 in (105.8 mm) Compression ratio: 8.5:1 Horsepower/liter: 88.9 Fuel requirement: 91 octane Fuel capacity: 28.4 gallons Transmission RBT 6-speed transaxle Ratios: 1st 2.86:1 2nd 2.06:1 3rd 1.47:1 4th 1.18:1 5th 0.958:1 6th 0.740:1 Reverse 2.86:1 Final drive ratio: 4.22:1, limited slip Suspension Front: Unequal-length control arm, push-rod/bell-crank system with longitudinal/horizontal spring-dampers Rear: Unequal-length control arm, push-rod/bell-crank system with longitudinal/horizontal spring-dampers Brakes Alcon 6-piston monoblock calipers Ceramic-based "Ceratec" friction material, 11.5 in2 (74 cm2) per pad Cross-drilled Alcon discs, 15.0-in (380 mm) diameter, 1.5-in (32 mm) width; 48 curved-vane design for enhanced cooling, lightweight aluminum hats Wheels and Tires Front Rear Wheels: 18" x 8" 19" x 10" Tires: 245/45R18 285/45R19 |
| They tried this once before in the late '80's. I still have the issue of High Performance Pontiac that has the picture of thier lame attempt of a GTO comeback that they built around '87. It was a Grand Am front driver with a simulated GTO snorkel type hood and GTO badges on it. It was UNDERpowered by a 'Super Duty' 2.5L 4cyl, driving the front wheels. What a POS that car was! It looked just like a regular '87 Grand Am with a few ground effects and a small spoiler. I really prayed that they wouldn't disgrace the name of the GTO with that car and thank GOD someone over at GM had the balls to scrap the whole idea. Personally I have owned three GTO's, two from 1969 and one 1968. My last GTO is still around because I sold it to a good friend who collects GTO's. Including mine he has six excellent examples all from '69 including two factory Judges. It would be a sin to see this car come back because I have yet to see a good rendition of a modern GTO. The lack of performance would be another issue that they have to work on. |
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I had the original 1964 GTO. 2-dr. hdtp. 389 TriPower. Muncie close-ratio 4-spd. 2.7:1 Saf-T-Trak diff. Blue on blue. That combination of engine/gears was a trip. It was both quick AND fast. I never lost a street race and I never got a ticket in that car! Sold it to a kid who promptly stoved it up completely within 2 weeks... What a waste. |
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As a current F-bod owner, let me say this: The new GTO will rock! Sure the Holden bodywork looks a bit plain, expect Pontiac to make it look more like the classic GTO. But here's the important stuff: LS1, 5.7 L, 320 HP listed (but dynos are showing about 360 HP at the crank) T56 tranny, 6 speed (same as in the Viper too) This is the same setup in the current base Vette and V-8 F-bodies. 18" wheels Rear wheel drive And most importantly to me: 4 wheel indy suspension. Cost might be a problem. Estimates now are in the $35-45k range. Too pricey if you wanted to get a F-bod replacement. And while the Ford GT40 might kick ass, what are those going to run? $80k+ I'm excited about the new GTO. Bob Lutz is at least trying to put GM on the right track. check www.ls1.com for more comments. |
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IF they are going to produce a yellow RICE BURNER and call it the GTO well they can drive it... I guess my Quest for the 65 GTO continues.. There is only one GTO anyway. Just like there is only ONE Cobra II.. Now if they want to design muscle cars they can just design new ones. Benjamin |
| There was a company I remember that went public while I was working at the NYSE in the late 80's. Anyway they were called Dream Cars, and what they did was find good donor bodies from all the most popular '60's musclecars. Then they would install a complete modern GM drivetrain using the corporate 5.7L motors and trannies etc., and they would basically sell you a brand new car complete with factory 3yr/36k warranties and all. The cars looked as if they were taken from the 60's in a time machine. This was great for the driver who wanted the cool factor of a musclecar without having the problems of a 30 year old car. Every bolt was replaced IIRC. The only problem I had with them was the drivetrain not being original for example thier 'new' '69 GTO came with a small block chevy motor, as a Pontiac purist this was unacceptable to me. I am not sure if they are still in business today. |
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Quoted: IF they are going to produce a yellow RICE BURNER and call it the GTO well they can drive it... I guess my Quest for the 65 GTO continues.. There is only one GTO anyway. Just like there is only ONE Cobra II.. Now if they want to design muscle cars they can just design new ones. Benjamin Holden is the AUSTRAILIAN branch of GM. They have never stopped building rear drive V8 sedans. There are no smog laws in Austrailia. They are NOT rice burners. They are more like traditional American cars than the American automakers make. And when it gets here it will not be wearing that bodywork- it will get a Pontiac specific bodywork. And YES stratsanddaks it is rear wheel drive... |