[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Nicotine testing (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 7/5/2013 8:10:22 PM EDT
| Job I'm in the running for requires one. I haven't had a cigarette since 2010, haven't dipped since 2011, but I smoke an occasional cigar, last one being upon graduation, been almost 2 months at this point. Not sure if te test is blood, pee, or hair. Am I screwed? |
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Okay, so apparently the test is for 'cotinine', a metabolite of nicotine, and for casual smokers it is gone in a couple days. Heavy smokers may test positive for a month even if they quit!
Passive exposure to tobacco smoke can make you test positive. This is kinda messed up, I'd hate to be in that situation. How do you explain that away? It's got all sorts of legal mess all over it. So, you can't sit at a bar and watch a game and have a burger because someone is smoking near you? |
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With the popularity if E-cigarettes I wonder how that works now.
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Wow really? What field? IIRC, they also do it during life insurance bloodwork to see if you're lying about not being a smoker. This. Or those who are using other non tobacco related nicotine delivery systems (gum, mints etc). Nicotine isn't the problem, it is the other shit in the tobacco leaf (and additives) that gives you teh cancers. |
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With the popularity if E-cigarettes I wonder how that works now.
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Wow really? What field? IIRC, they also do it during life insurance bloodwork to see if you're lying about not being a smoker. I asked my health insurance company that and couldn't get a straight answer, they state "tobacco use". |
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There is nicotine in vegetables. Everybody has some nicotine in their systems. You get more nicotine from eating a tomato than you do from being in a smoke filled room for 8 hours. Nicotine is now thought to prevent Parkinson's Disease. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-204_162-57583731/eating-nicotine-containing-produce-like-peppers-tomatoes-may-lower-parkinsons-risk/ What about people who 'vape' their nicotine. They aren't ingesting all the other bad stuff that tobacco smoke contains, just a bit of nicotine. I'm afraid I'd tell any company that goes to such ridiculous measures in the hiring process...instead of hiring the best candidate based on their skillsets/qualifications....to go fuck up a rope. But that's just me. 
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Quoted: There is nicotine in vegetables. Everybody has some nicotine in their systems. You get more nicotine from eating a tomato than you do from being in a smoke filled room for 8 hours. What about people who 'vape' their nicotine. They aren't ingesting all the other bad stuff that tobacco smoke contains, just a bit of nicotine. I'm afraid I'd tell any company that goes to such ridiculous measures in the hiring process...instead of hiring the best candidate based on their skillsets/qualifications....to go fuck up a rope. But that's just me. Don't quit your job you have now. Many companies already test for nicotine for insurance purposes, and I bet Obamacare will force a majority of them to do so to try to mitigate rising insurance costs. |
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I keep waiting for our company to do this. We have a 'smoker' and 'non-smoker' Health insurance rate, but it's self-certifying (under penalty of termination, but I don't know that they've ever done that). So my guess is that we would have a lot of liars. (You also get the 'non-smoker' rate if you sign up for the companies smoking-cessation program)
It would be pretty easy for them to do, we already have mandatory physicals that we have to go through, and they jack your rates if you're outta the zone there, too, or you don't take them. |
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Total bullshit. You want to charge me more for health insurance? That's fair. You want to ban me from smoking on your property? That's fair. What I do on my own time is my own business. I have a friend that was afraid to have a cigar at his wedding because of this shit. |
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I have a friend that was afraid to have a cigar at his wedding because of this shit. It's also a dangerous thing to accept. Wait a generation and we'll have company approved grocery lists. Why not? If I can't smoke on my own time then Mr. Fatass over there is barred from all fast food for the duration of his employment. Like to drink...... and on and on. |
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I have a friend that was afraid to have a cigar at his wedding because of this shit. It's also a dangerous thing to accept. Wait a generation and we'll have company approved grocery lists. Why not? If I can't smoke on my own time then Mr. Fatass over there is barred from all fast food for the duration of his employment. Like to drink...... and on and on. Communist. It's their business, their rules. If the company safety officer wants to to come by your house at night to make sure all your household chemicals are in properly labeled containers, well you had best welcome him in and suck your bosses dick the next morning, or join the FSA you stupid obama voting DU troll. 
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Communist. It's their business, their rules. If the company safety officer wants to to come by your house at night to make sure all your household chemicals are in properly labeled containers, well you had best welcome him in and suck your bosses dick the next morning, or join the FSA you stupid obama voting DU troll.
Thank you for showing me the error of my ways friend! I will immediately turn over my CC records to the HR department and have the IT staff put a camera in every room of my house to make sure I'm following the company's guidelines. |
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I have a friend that was afraid to have a cigar at his wedding because of this shit. It's also a dangerous thing to accept. Wait a generation and we'll have company approved grocery lists. Why not? If I can't smoke on my own time then Mr. Fatass over there is barred from all fast food for the duration of his employment. Like to drink...... and on and on. Communist. It's their business, their rules. If the company safety officer wants to to come by your house at night to make sure all your household chemicals are in properly labeled containers, well you had best welcome him in and suck your bosses dick the next morning, or join the FSA you stupid obama voting DU troll.
Pretty much. If your wife's boss tells her "fuck me or your fired" it's his company and his rules so enjoy your sloppy seconds. |
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Total bullshit. You want to charge me more for health insurance? That's fair. You want to ban me from smoking on your property? That's fair. What I do on my own time is my own business. I have a friend that was afraid to have a cigar at his wedding because of this shit. I'm currently stressing about my graduation cigar.. |
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Wow really? What field? IIRC, they also do it during life insurance bloodwork to see if you're lying about not being a smoker. I've heard that and didn't even think about it. Thanks. Yeah, they're sneaky about it. I'm sure it's in the fine print but they tell you it's to measure cholesterol, liver function tests (LFT's), etc. When I went to my Green Card physical, they didn't tell me in advance that they would be doing a urine drug screen. I wonder how many people have been busted on that one! 
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Job I'm in the running for requires one. I haven't had a cigarette since 2010, haven't dipped since 2011, but I smoke an occasional cigar, last one being upon graduation, been almost 2 months at this point. Not sure if te test is blood, pee, or hair. Am I screwed? Its a blood test, and it only looks back 4-6 weeks. |
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Ours is a no nicotine policy, inc gum, patches and e-cigs, so far as they're concerned if you're still on substitutes you haven't quit, its a threshold amount though, don't have to read zeroes, same as pretty much all toxicology tests. It is for an insurance break. They offer cessation classes on compensated time, but do not give the discount until biometric screening, a physical, a questionaire, and a wellness class. They have prosecuted people for fraud quiting temporarily. The organization is cut throat enough co-workers will report you if they know you're getting the discount.
I remember AK air swabbed, I wondered how that wasn't discrimination. |
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Quoted: Quoted: I am also curious as to what field requires this. Also not real sure on the legalities of it? Their company.. their rules. Until they want to fire a member of the FSA for just cause.  Edit: Employer's would not need to have such bullshit rules if they were not in the business of providing benefits to employees. |
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GD: Where corporations can trump the constitutional rights of employees. The constitution doesn't apply to private corporations though. 
Not that I'm saying it's right. It's pretty stupid, but that's why it's up to people to vote with their talent and refuse to work for employers that suck ass. |
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I am also curious as to what field requires this. Also not real sure on the legalities of it? A lot of hospitals have been doing it, saves them money on health insurance coverage. That interesting, many of the most plump women I have run into work at hospitals. 
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If it's anything like the test I had to take for life insurance, they'll ask for pee and blood* and 90 days is long enough.
*Life insurance tests for cholesterol and diabetes and stuff, as well as drugs, so I'm not sure which (blood or urine) goes to your smoking issue. |
