[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Night classes for C++ / coding? (Page 1 of 6)
Posted: 6/2/2016 9:31:58 AM EDT
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GD is packed with high earners with super model girlfriends: How do I get to $100-150k/yr? IT Project Management? How do I get started? Night classes for C++ programming? |
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What degrees do you have? Poly Sci from a state school for undergrad. MBA from a small private school for grad. ITIL Certification is what you seek. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITIL What test-prep / exam study / program would you recommend? |
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None of the project managers I've ever had could sling code, and it wasn't required of them anyway. They're project managers, not developers. It's a different skill set.
No one is going to let you manage a team of developers, simply because you took some night classes on a programming language - even if you aced the class. |
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I'm a non technical project manager. GD is packed with high earners with super model girlfriends: How do I get to $100-150k/yr? IT Project Management? How do I get started? Night classes for C++ programming? sales. You will need to bring your company revenue. |
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To learn the tenets of coding, or will you actually use C++? C#, Java, Python, or Ruby would be more applicable in the real world. Hardly. I've been paid to program in C++ every day for the past 17 years. There are tons of C++ jobs out there if you know where to look. They also usually pay well because you actually have to know your shit when it comes to C++ or you'll blow your foot off in no time. |
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I'm a very talented professional software developer, graduated from college nearly two decades ago and averaged 2-5 companies per year. I would say less than 1% of the work I've had to do professionally involved working directly with C++.
I would recommend learning SQL Server and learning relational databases as the shortest path to a career in IT. This book is for a previous version of the product, but the writer is excellent and is a good read cover-to-cover: http://www.amazon.com/Professional-Microsoft-Server-2008-Programming/dp/0470257024 Warning: The link above is to Amazon and the advertising scripts on this site will change it. If you see a link to something other than amazon, here is the raw text: amazon dot com /Professional-Microsoft-Server-2008-Programming/dp/0470257024 |
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None of the project managers I've ever had could sling code, and it wasn't required of them anyway. They're project managers, not developers. It's a different skill set. No one is going to let you manage a team of developers, simply because you took some night classes on a programming language - even if you aced the class. What did your project managers manage; developers? What let them manage developers if yes? |
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I'm a very talented professional software developer, graduated from college nearly two decades ago and averaged 2-5 companies per year. I would say less than 1% of the work I've had to do professionally involved working directly with C++. I would recommend learning SQL Server and learning relational databases as the shortest path to a career in IT. This book is for a previous version of the product, but the writer is excellent and is a good read cover-to-cover: http://www.amazon.com/Professional-Microsoft-Server-2008-Programming/dp/0470257024 He's right you know. That, plus knowing what makes a good Web interface. Learning enough about .NET to not let programmers bamboozle you would also be beneficial. |
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I'm a non technical project manager. GD is packed with high earners with super model girlfriends: How do I get to $100-150k/yr? IT Project Management? How do I get started? Night classes for C++ programming? sales. You will need to bring your company revenue. Show me the door I'll walk through it, or break it down and then walk through it. |
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Don't forget this is a heavily saturated industry as in most of IT. You might get lucky. I'm seeing more employers wanting a younger group from other countries here on a VISA working for less. I'll "go there;" there is a constant flux of companies making poor decisions to off-shore/H1B and then having to unfuck their projects with high dollar domestic consultants. |
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Quoted: What test-prep / exam study / program would you recommend? Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: What degrees do you have? Poly Sci from a state school for undergrad. MBA from a small private school for grad. ITIL Certification is what you seek. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITIL What test-prep / exam study / program would you recommend? That really depends on you and your budget. There are books, online courses, classrooms, etc.. Here's a brief intro into the certifications. Each exam/certification builds on the next so you have to start with the Foundations exam. One you pass a couple of them, slap it on your resume and go IT job hunting. The supermodels will soon follow.  |
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Don't forget this is a heavily saturated industry as in most of IT. You might get lucky. I'm seeing more employers wanting a younger group from other countries here on a VISA working for less. From the outside it looks like there's a lot of opportunity. If you suggest it as a sinking ship, what or where is your next move? |
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That really depends on you and your budget. There are books, online courses, classrooms, etc.. http://www.tomsitpro.com/articles/itil-certification-guide,2-1019.html Here's a brief intro into the certifications. Each exam/certification builds on the next so you have to start with the Foundations exam. One you pass a couple of them, slap it on your resume and go IT job hunting. The supermodels will soon follow.
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What degrees do you have? Poly Sci from a state school for undergrad. MBA from a small private school for grad. ITIL Certification is what you seek. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITIL What test-prep / exam study / program would you recommend? That really depends on you and your budget. There are books, online courses, classrooms, etc.. http://www.tomsitpro.com/articles/itil-certification-guide,2-1019.html Here's a brief intro into the certifications. Each exam/certification builds on the next so you have to start with the Foundations exam. One you pass a couple of them, slap it on your resume and go IT job hunting. The supermodels will soon follow.
In true GD fashion, I spent my first 10 years getting laid, instead of 10 years getting paid. Now I'm after the latter but supermodel status wouldn't hurt. |
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Quoted: Don't forget this is a heavily saturated industry as in most of IT. You might get lucky. I'm seeing more employers wanting a younger group from other countries here on a VISA working for less. This will be an issue, the VISA workers will decrease that $150k salary. They are just happy to be here and take lower commercial salaries. Try aerospace IT |
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You could also look into Business Intelligence, that's SQL based stuff but your MBA will help with your credentials. Unless you really hate Project Management, look into the ITIL Certifications and try to get your foot in the door. The job has long hours, but it does pay off. |
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What degrees do you have? Poly Sci from a state school for undergrad. MBA from a small private school for grad. ITIL Certification is what you seek. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITIL What test-prep / exam study / program would you recommend? I did a boot camp for Foundation. It was worth the scratch. If you've got a LOT of IT Service Delivery experience, it's a cake walk. It's one of those rare certs that actually translates (mostly) to the realities of IT Service Delivery. If you have an MBA already, I would actually recommend getting a PMP from PMI. The test is a ball breaker and the requirements to sit can be a pain in the ass to manufacture BUT, if you've got a PMP and 5 years in project development, being a 100-150K\year PM is a lead pipe cinch. |
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None of the project managers I've ever had could sling code, and it wasn't required of them anyway. They're project managers, not developers. It's a different skill set. No one is going to let you manage a team of developers, simply because you took some night classes on a programming language - even if you aced the class. What did your project managers manage; developers? What let them manage developers if yes? You don't have to know ANYTHING about the technical side of your team to effectively deliver a project. That's what your team is for. It *can* be helpful but, *often* it's just more of an obstacle to actually getting the project done, within constraints, on time, correctly and with a view of the future. Techs, usually, make really bad managers because, usually, they're better with computers than they are with people. And God bless 'em for it. |
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You could also look into Business Intelligence, that's SQL based stuff but your MBA will help with your credentials. Unless you really hate Project Management, look into the ITIL Certifications and try to get your foot in the door. The job has long hours, but it does pay off. I'll look for an online course at under $500-ish for ITIL. I grew up with computers, built many a desktop for friends and family, did a little bitcoin mining in yesteryear. I think getting some formal education would be a fit. |
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Show me the door I'll walk through it, or break it down and then walk through it. Quoted:
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I'm a non technical project manager. GD is packed with high earners with super model girlfriends: How do I get to $100-150k/yr? IT Project Management? How do I get started? Night classes for C++ programming? sales. You will need to bring your company revenue. Show me the door I'll walk through it, or break it down and then walk through it. somebody has to sell the projects you manage. Find that guy and become his best friend. talk to the biz dev guys where you work, ask if they need any help putting deals together. If none at your company, look for Business Development opportunities elsewhere. https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/business-development-director-salary-SRCH_KO0,29.htm |
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I'll look for an online course at under $500-ish for ITIL. I grew up with computers, built many a desktop for friends and family, did a little bitcoin mining in yesteryear. I think getting some formal education would be a fit. Quoted:
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You could also look into Business Intelligence, that's SQL based stuff but your MBA will help with your credentials. Unless you really hate Project Management, look into the ITIL Certifications and try to get your foot in the door. The job has long hours, but it does pay off. I'll look for an online course at under $500-ish for ITIL. I grew up with computers, built many a desktop for friends and family, did a little bitcoin mining in yesteryear. I think getting some formal education would be a fit. ITIL is very much NOT about computers .... at all. |
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somebody has to sell the projects you manage. Find that guy and become his best friend. talk to the biz dev guys where you work, ask if they need any help putting deals together. If none at your company, look for Business Development opportunities elsewhere. https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/business-development-director-salary-SRCH_KO0,29.htm Quoted:
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I'm a non technical project manager. GD is packed with high earners with super model girlfriends: How do I get to $100-150k/yr? IT Project Management? How do I get started? Night classes for C++ programming? sales. You will need to bring your company revenue. Show me the door I'll walk through it, or break it down and then walk through it. somebody has to sell the projects you manage. Find that guy and become his best friend. talk to the biz dev guys where you work, ask if they need any help putting deals together. If none at your company, look for Business Development opportunities elsewhere. https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/business-development-director-salary-SRCH_KO0,29.htm We're a shop of 5 at the moment. I'll be looking out elsewhere. 
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I'm a non technical project manager. GD is packed with high earners with super model girlfriends: How do I get to $100-150k/yr? IT Project Management? How do I get started? Night classes for C++ programming? Just a hunch but to make that kind of money programing you would need to have years of experience to go with it. I doubt you can take a few classes and say "ok give me my $150k"! But I don't make $100k or have a supermodel GF... |
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You could also look into Business Intelligence, that's SQL based stuff but your MBA will help with your credentials. Unless you really hate Project Management, look into the ITIL Certifications and try to get your foot in the door. The job has long hours, but it does pay off. I'll look for an online course at under $500-ish for ITIL. I grew up with computers, built many a desktop for friends and family, did a little bitcoin mining in yesteryear. I think getting some formal education would be a fit. ITIL is very much NOT about computers .... at all. Fair enough, I'll figure that out quickly then. Arguably I'm better with people and probably sales than I would be a straight programming/coding gig. I'm basically saying I'm not afraid to 'get technical' if necessary. |
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Just a hunch but to make that kind of money programing you would need to have years of experience to go with it. I doubt you can take a few classes and say "ok give me my $150k"! But I don't make $100k or have a supermodel GF... Quoted:
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I'm a non technical project manager. GD is packed with high earners with super model girlfriends: How do I get to $100-150k/yr? IT Project Management? How do I get started? Night classes for C++ programming? Just a hunch but to make that kind of money programing you would need to have years of experience to go with it. I doubt you can take a few classes and say "ok give me my $150k"! But I don't make $100k or have a supermodel GF... I'd agree with you - I'm just looking for the beginning road to it. I'd probably end up in construction p.m. work if I kept on the current path I am now.. I've been advised by lots of arfcommers to stay the hell away from construction p.m. work. 
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Just a hunch but to make that kind of money programing you would need to have years of experience to go with it. I doubt you can take a few classes and say "ok give me my $150k"! But I don't make $100k or have a supermodel GF... Quoted:
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I'm a non technical project manager. GD is packed with high earners with super model girlfriends: How do I get to $100-150k/yr? IT Project Management? How do I get started? Night classes for C++ programming? Just a hunch but to make that kind of money programing you would need to have years of experience to go with it. I doubt you can take a few classes and say "ok give me my $150k"! But I don't make $100k or have a supermodel GF... You're correct. IT is awash in code monkeys. Further, C++ is, IMHO, a deprecated and antiquated language. It has been superseded, multiple times. If you don't have the verifiable experience AND a decent project book, I won't hire you for anything more than code QA with only a cert or degree. |
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I'd agree with you - I'm just looking for the beginning road to it. I'd probably end up in construction p.m. work if I kept on the current path I am now.. I've been advised by lots of arfcommers to stay the hell away from construction p.m. work.
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I'm a non technical project manager. GD is packed with high earners with super model girlfriends: How do I get to $100-150k/yr? IT Project Management? How do I get started? Night classes for C++ programming? Just a hunch but to make that kind of money programing you would need to have years of experience to go with it. I doubt you can take a few classes and say "ok give me my $150k"! But I don't make $100k or have a supermodel GF... I'd agree with you - I'm just looking for the beginning road to it. I'd probably end up in construction p.m. work if I kept on the current path I am now.. I've been advised by lots of arfcommers to stay the hell away from construction p.m. work.
After 21years in IT I'll tell you to say away from IT as well! LOL
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Fair enough, I'll figure that out quickly then. Arguably I'm better with people and probably sales than I would be a straight programming/coding gig. I'm basically saying I'm not afraid to 'get technical' if necessary. Quoted:
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You could also look into Business Intelligence, that's SQL based stuff but your MBA will help with your credentials. Unless you really hate Project Management, look into the ITIL Certifications and try to get your foot in the door. The job has long hours, but it does pay off. I'll look for an online course at under $500-ish for ITIL. I grew up with computers, built many a desktop for friends and family, did a little bitcoin mining in yesteryear. I think getting some formal education would be a fit. ITIL is very much NOT about computers .... at all. Fair enough, I'll figure that out quickly then. Arguably I'm better with people and probably sales than I would be a straight programming/coding gig. I'm basically saying I'm not afraid to 'get technical' if necessary. That may serve you well if your intent is being a PM. The *very first* thing you need to do is really decide on what you want to be when you grow up. Getting a job that pays $100K+ isn't *hard* in the IT field. Doing something you hate because it pays well is HARD. All those paychecks aren't going to heal your soul at the end of *another* week of grinding out another IT project for a thankless client. |
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After 21years in IT I'll tell you to say away from IT as well! LOL
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I'm a non technical project manager. GD is packed with high earners with super model girlfriends: How do I get to $100-150k/yr? IT Project Management? How do I get started? Night classes for C++ programming? Just a hunch but to make that kind of money programing you would need to have years of experience to go with it. I doubt you can take a few classes and say "ok give me my $150k"! But I don't make $100k or have a supermodel GF... I'd agree with you - I'm just looking for the beginning road to it. I'd probably end up in construction p.m. work if I kept on the current path I am now.. I've been advised by lots of arfcommers to stay the hell away from construction p.m. work.
After 21years in IT I'll tell you to say away from IT as well! LOL
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I'd agree with you - I'm just looking for the beginning road to it. I'd probably end up in construction p.m. work if I kept on the current path I am now.. I've been advised by lots of arfcommers to stay the hell away from construction p.m. work.
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I'm a non technical project manager. GD is packed with high earners with super model girlfriends: How do I get to $100-150k/yr? IT Project Management? How do I get started? Night classes for C++ programming? Just a hunch but to make that kind of money programing you would need to have years of experience to go with it. I doubt you can take a few classes and say "ok give me my $150k"! But I don't make $100k or have a supermodel GF... I'd agree with you - I'm just looking for the beginning road to it. I'd probably end up in construction p.m. work if I kept on the current path I am now.. I've been advised by lots of arfcommers to stay the hell away from construction p.m. work.
VacaDuck does electrical estimation/bids on big projects, and makes a very good living at it. I don't know the exact numbers, but I know it's at least $100k/yr. Wouldn't that be more up your alley? It's not like IT is the only field where you can pull down a six figure income. In fact I've long said that if the ONLY reason you get into the field is the money...you'll probably never see it. You won't have the requisite passion for it, and probably won't be any good at it as a result. It's kind of a circular problem. |
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Me too, started in 1998. I've settled down as a SQL DBA I have no complaints. I don't know what all of the complaints are about, imagine the alternatives.
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After 21years in IT I'll tell you to say away from IT as well! LOL
Nah. I still love this sector. I've been doing it as long as you have, too. Me too, started in 1998. I've settled down as a SQL DBA I have no complaints. I don't know what all of the complaints are about, imagine the alternatives.
I have my own business that is profitable AND enough free time to keep a hobby job. I intend to retire somewhere between 45 and 50. There's not *too* many other sectors where an asshole like me, with no degree, no college diploma (I got my Good Enough Diploma) and no "formal" training could do that. |
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Me too, started in 1998. I've settled down as a SQL DBA I have no complaints. I don't know what all of the complaints are about, imagine the alternatives.
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After 21years in IT I'll tell you to say away from IT as well! LOL
Nah. I still love this sector. I've been doing it as long as you have, too. Me too, started in 1998. I've settled down as a SQL DBA I have no complaints. I don't know what all of the complaints are about, imagine the alternatives.
Whats grinding me down is I've been a 1 man band for that entire time so I have to deal with all the BS from users to major systems roll-outs. It would be refreshing if I could just specialize on something. 
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VacaDuck does electrical estimation/bids on big projects, and makes a very good living at it. I don't know the exact numbers, but I know it's at least $100k/yr. Wouldn't that be more up your alley? It's not like IT is the only field where you can pull down a six figure income. In fact I've long said that if the ONLY reason you get into the field is the money...you'll probably never see it. You won't have the requisite passion for it, and probably won't be any good at it as a result. It's kind of a circular problem. Quoted:
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I'm a non technical project manager. GD is packed with high earners with super model girlfriends: How do I get to $100-150k/yr? IT Project Management? How do I get started? Night classes for C++ programming? Just a hunch but to make that kind of money programing you would need to have years of experience to go with it. I doubt you can take a few classes and say "ok give me my $150k"! But I don't make $100k or have a supermodel GF... I'd agree with you - I'm just looking for the beginning road to it. I'd probably end up in construction p.m. work if I kept on the current path I am now.. I've been advised by lots of arfcommers to stay the hell away from construction p.m. work.
VacaDuck does electrical estimation/bids on big projects, and makes a very good living at it. I don't know the exact numbers, but I know it's at least $100k/yr. Wouldn't that be more up your alley? It's not like IT is the only field where you can pull down a six figure income. In fact I've long said that if the ONLY reason you get into the field is the money...you'll probably never see it. You won't have the requisite passion for it, and probably won't be any good at it as a result. It's kind of a circular problem. 
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Whats grinding me down is I've been a 1 man band for that entire time so I have to deal with all the BS from users to major systems roll-outs. It would be refreshing if I could just specialize on something.
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After 21years in IT I'll tell you to say away from IT as well! LOL
Nah. I still love this sector. I've been doing it as long as you have, too. Me too, started in 1998. I've settled down as a SQL DBA I have no complaints. I don't know what all of the complaints are about, imagine the alternatives.
Whats grinding me down is I've been a 1 man band for that entire time so I have to deal with all the BS from users to major systems roll-outs. It would be refreshing if I could just specialize on something.
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Doing something you hate because it pays well is HARD. All those paychecks aren't going to heal your soul at the end of *another* week of grinding out another IT project for a thankless client. No better advice given in this entire thread. I don't get thanked here and I make half that at current  .
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somebody has to sell the projects you manage. Find that guy and become his best friend. talk to the biz dev guys where you work, ask if they need any help putting deals together. If none at your company, look for Business Development opportunities elsewhere. https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/business-development-director-salary-SRCH_KO0,29.htm Quoted:
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I'm a non technical project manager. GD is packed with high earners with super model girlfriends: How do I get to $100-150k/yr? IT Project Management? How do I get started? Night classes for C++ programming? sales. You will need to bring your company revenue. Show me the door I'll walk through it, or break it down and then walk through it. somebody has to sell the projects you manage. Find that guy and become his best friend. talk to the biz dev guys where you work, ask if they need any help putting deals together. If none at your company, look for Business Development opportunities elsewhere. https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/business-development-director-salary-SRCH_KO0,29.htm Could definitely see myself selling 'technical' or 'it' products. |
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I have my own business that is profitable AND enough free time to keep a hobby job. I intend to retire somewhere between 45 and 50. There's not *too* many other sectors where an asshole like me, with no degree, no college diploma (I got my Good Enough Diploma) and no "formal" training could do that. *Results may vary.* |
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Quoted: Specialization is for insects. Quoted: Quoted: Whats grinding me down is I've been a 1 man band for that entire time so I have to deal with all the BS from users to major systems roll-outs. It would be refreshing if I could just specialize on something. Specialization is for insects. I've got it easy, my company has about 250,000 employees. I'm highly specialized, I'm not allowed to touch anything but SQL. We have a team to unbox and mount the hardware, teams to install the OS, teams to manage the OS, teams to manage IIS, teams to manage SQL and teams for just about everything else. |
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I have my own business that is profitable AND enough free time to keep a hobby job. I intend to retire somewhere between 45 and 50. There's not *too* many other sectors where an asshole like me, with no degree, no college diploma (I got my Good Enough Diploma) and no "formal" training could do that. Quoted:
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After 21years in IT I'll tell you to say away from IT as well! LOL
Nah. I still love this sector. I've been doing it as long as you have, too. Me too, started in 1998. I've settled down as a SQL DBA I have no complaints. I don't know what all of the complaints are about, imagine the alternatives.
I have my own business that is profitable AND enough free time to keep a hobby job. I intend to retire somewhere between 45 and 50. There's not *too* many other sectors where an asshole like me, with no degree, no college diploma (I got my Good Enough Diploma) and no "formal" training could do that. Wait! I'm doing it wrong... What exactly do you do?
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I've got it easy, my company has about 250,000 employees. I'm highly specialized, I'm not allowed to touch anything but SQL.
We have a team to unbox and mount the hardware, teams to install the OS, teams to manage the OS, teams to manage IIS, teams to manage SQL and teams for just about everything else. Quoted:
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Whats grinding me down is I've been a 1 man band for that entire time so I have to deal with all the BS from users to major systems roll-outs. It would be refreshing if I could just specialize on something.
Specialization is for insects. I've got it easy, my company has about 250,000 employees. I'm highly specialized, I'm not allowed to touch anything but SQL.
We have a team to unbox and mount the hardware, teams to install the OS, teams to manage the OS, teams to manage IIS, teams to manage SQL and teams for just about everything else. And a Security/Compliance guy with a nervous twitch. |
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Quoted: And a Security/Compliance guy with a nervous twitch. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Whats grinding me down is I've been a 1 man band for that entire time so I have to deal with all the BS from users to major systems roll-outs. It would be refreshing if I could just specialize on something. Specialization is for insects. I've got it easy, my company has about 250,000 employees. I'm highly specialized, I'm not allowed to touch anything but SQL. We have a team to unbox and mount the hardware, teams to install the OS, teams to manage the OS, teams to manage IIS, teams to manage SQL and teams for just about everything else. And a Security/Compliance guy with a nervous twitch. There's a whole department for that too, they're always riding my ass. |