[ARCHIVED THREAD] - OC interaction (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 12/20/2013 6:00:26 AM EDT
Yesterday I had the opportunity to speak with a gentleman who opts to exercise his OC privilege. The setting was a fairly popular fast food-ish restaurant during lunch hour. I couldn't help but notice the surplus Eagle Industries drop leg in ACU that was wrapped around his leg. If the rig was a smidge lower it could've served as a decent ankle holster. While talking with him I noticed that his weapon of choice was a 1911 of some sort, the hammer was down and every safety strap on the holster was fully engaged which would make any type of fast draw impossible. I thought that part of the OC argument was that it makes society safer, clearly this gentleman would fail miserably at any attempt of slaying dragons, I could be wrong but I don't think so as his back was to the main entrance/exits and cash registers. I'm trying to understand this "Look at me I'm armed and probably will be the first shot by a BG" mindset. I have yet to run into a squared away OC supporter, you guys need a PR firm.
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Yesterday I had the opportunity to speak with a gentleman who opts to exercise his OC privilege. The setting was a fairly popular fast food-ish restaurant during lunch hour. I couldn't help but notice the surplus Eagle Industries drop leg in ACU that was wrapped around his leg. If the rig was a smidge lower it could've served as a decent ankle holster. While talking with him I noticed that his weapon of choice was a 1911 of some sort, the hammer was down and every safety strap on the holster was fully engaged which would make any type of fast draw impossible. I thought that part of the OC argument was that it makes society safer, clearly this gentleman would fail miserably at any attempt of slaying dragons, I could be wrong but I don't think so as his back was to the main entrance/exits and cash registers. I'm trying to understand this "Look at me I'm armed and probably will be the first shot by a BG" mindset. I have yet to run into a squared away OC supporter, you guys need a PR firm.I am a squared away OCer. If you're ever in Montgomery we might run into one another. |
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Yesterday I had the opportunity to speak with a gentleman who opts to exercise his OC privilege. The setting was a fairly popular fast food-ish restaurant during lunch hour. I couldn't help but notice the surplus Eagle Industries drop leg in ACU that was wrapped around his leg. If the rig was a smidge lower it could've served as a decent ankle holster. While talking with him I noticed that his weapon of choice was a 1911 of some sort, the hammer was down and every safety strap on the holster was fully engaged which would make any type of fast draw impossible. I thought that part of the OC argument was that it makes society safer, clearly this gentleman would fail miserably at any attempt of slaying dragons, I could be wrong but I don't think so as his back was to the main entrance/exits and cash registers. I'm trying to understand this "Look at me I'm armed and probably will be the first shot by a BG" mindset. I have yet to run into a squared away OC supporter, you guys need a PR firm.
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I OC almost daily here in SW MO. I dress in clean clothes, keep my Austrian grenade model 17 in a very plain, black leather retention holster, and I'm pretty sure that people don't notice, or if they do, they don't care.
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Every non-LEO OC person I've seen (WITH MY OWN TWO EYES, I REALIZE THIS DOES NOT MEAN YOU CHISEL CHESTED WARGODS HERE IN GD) has been using some shitty gunshow button strap nylon abortion on a walmart belt, with the pistol flapping around on their hip.
There have been times where the crowd was so thick (IKEA in northern Virginia) that I could've taken the guy's G26 and been gone into the crowd before he even stopped walking... no strap that time, just a 5 dollar holster hanging loosely and flopping around. Every time I've 'made' someone CCWing, they had some form of leather or kydex holster poking out under a shirt. Of course, cops just wear a badge next to their gun around here. Quoted:
I OC almost daily here in SW MO. I dress in clean clothes, keep my Austrian grenade model 17 in a very plain, black leather retention holster, and I'm pretty sure that people don't notice, or if they do, they don't care. Drop leg holsters are a little mall ninja, IMHO. People think you're a cop IF they notice at all. I guarantee it if you have quality gear to carry with. |
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Every non-LEO OC person I've seen (WITH MY OWN TWO EYES, I REALIZE THIS DOES NOT MEAN YOU CHISEL CHESTED WARGODS HERE IN GD) has been using some shitty gunshow button strap nylon abortion on a walmart belt, with the pistol flapping around on their hip. There have been times where the crowd was so thick (IKEA in northern Virginia) that I could've taken the guy's G26 and been gone into the crowd before he even stopped walking... no strap that time, just a 5 dollar holster hanging loosely and flopping around. Every time I've 'made' someone CCWing, they had some form of leather or kydex holster poking out under a shirt. Of course, cops just wear a badge next to their gun around here. People think you're a cop IF they notice at all. I guarantee it if you have quality gear to carry with. Quoted:
Every non-LEO OC person I've seen (WITH MY OWN TWO EYES, I REALIZE THIS DOES NOT MEAN YOU CHISEL CHESTED WARGODS HERE IN GD) has been using some shitty gunshow button strap nylon abortion on a walmart belt, with the pistol flapping around on their hip. There have been times where the crowd was so thick (IKEA in northern Virginia) that I could've taken the guy's G26 and been gone into the crowd before he even stopped walking... no strap that time, just a 5 dollar holster hanging loosely and flopping around. Every time I've 'made' someone CCWing, they had some form of leather or kydex holster poking out under a shirt. Of course, cops just wear a badge next to their gun around here. Quoted:
I OC almost daily here in SW MO. I dress in clean clothes, keep my Austrian grenade model 17 in a very plain, black leather retention holster, and I'm pretty sure that people don't notice, or if they do, they don't care. Drop leg holsters are a little mall ninja, IMHO. People think you're a cop IF they notice at all. I guarantee it if you have quality gear to carry with. And when I OC, my Glock or 1911 ride in a professionally made kydex holster. I dress nice and am extremely courteous of others. I am also aware of my surroundings constantly, whether I am CC or OCing. 
ETA: Who knows, I could be the one OC guy that doesn't look like neckbeard white trash. ETA2: If anyone brings up my OCing in public, it's usually "Are you a cop?" 
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I didn't mean it as a jab. I was implying that in some areas open carry is not allowed. Quoted:
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Privilege? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I didn't mean it as a jab. I was implying that in some areas open carry is not allowed. But you're location says AL. OC is legal statewide my friend.
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I've posted this before, but it is worth repeating.
When I was younger we lived in Europe, and my folks always emphasized that we were "Ambassadors from America" and that whatever we did, people would judge all Americans by those actions. I feel the same way about OCing - when you OC, you are making an impression on the rest of society about how gun owners behave. Make it a damned good one. |
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Yesterday I had the opportunity to speak with a gentleman who opts to exercise his OC privilege. The setting was a fairly popular fast food-ish restaurant during lunch hour. I couldn't help but notice the surplus Eagle Industries drop leg in ACU that was wrapped around his leg. If the rig was a smidge lower it could've served as a decent ankle holster. While talking with him I noticed that his weapon of choice was a 1911 of some sort, the hammer was down and every safety strap on the holster was fully engaged which would make any type of fast draw impossible. I thought that part of the OC argument was that it makes society safer, clearly this gentleman would fail miserably at any attempt of slaying dragons, I could be wrong but I don't think so as his back was to the main entrance/exits and cash registers. I'm trying to understand this "Look at me I'm armed and probably will be the first shot by a BG" mindset. I have yet to run into a squared away OC supporter, you guys need a PR firm.I am a squared away OCer. If you're ever in Montgomery we might run into one another. That would be cool. I'm in Montgomery occasionally. |
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But you're location says AL. OC is legal statewide my friend. Quoted:
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Privilege? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I didn't mean it as a jab. I was implying that in some areas open carry is not allowed. But you're location says AL. OC is legal statewide my friend. I know, I was referring to other states/cities/etc... |
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Just because you saw someone OC'ing in a rather unique manner does not mean that OC is evil, wrong, or bad. The secret to OC'ing - dress nice, wear a nice holster, don't draw attention to yourself, and for fucks sake - don't act like a retard. This. Eta: But then, I'm usually in black dress slacks, Pliner dress shoes, button up dress shirt, one of my 300+ outstanding ties, Hugo Boss belt, Safariland ALS, and a Glock 21 or Sig Mk25. |
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Privilege? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I didn't mean it as a jab. I was implying that in some areas open carry is not allowed. But you're location says AL. OC is legal statewide my friend. I know, I was referring to other states/cities/etc... Not my state. Colorado constitution. Read it. Section 13. Right to bear arms. The right of no person to keep and bear arms in defense of his home, person and property, or in aid of the civil power when thereto legally summoned, shall be called in question; but nothing herein contained shall be construed to justify the practice of carrying concealed weapons. Part in bold red is the privilege. |
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This. Eta: But then, I'm usually in black dress slacks, Pliner dress shoes, button up dress shirt, one of my 300+ outstanding ties, Hugo Boss belt, Safariland ALS, and a Glock 21 or Sig Mk25. Quoted:
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Just because you saw someone OC'ing in a rather unique manner does not mean that OC is evil, wrong, or bad. The secret to OC'ing - dress nice, wear a nice holster, don't draw attention to yourself, and for fucks sake - don't act like a retard. This. Eta: But then, I'm usually in black dress slacks, Pliner dress shoes, button up dress shirt, one of my 300+ outstanding ties, Hugo Boss belt, Safariland ALS, and a Glock 21 or Sig Mk25. Other than choosing to carry a Glock (  ), I can't see why anyone would disapprove of your attire. 
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Other than choosing to carry a Glock ( ), I can't see why anyone would disapprove of your attire. Quoted:
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Just because you saw someone OC'ing in a rather unique manner does not mean that OC is evil, wrong, or bad. The secret to OC'ing - dress nice, wear a nice holster, don't draw attention to yourself, and for fucks sake - don't act like a retard. This. Eta: But then, I'm usually in black dress slacks, Pliner dress shoes, button up dress shirt, one of my 300+ outstanding ties, Hugo Boss belt, Safariland ALS, and a Glock 21 or Sig Mk25. Other than choosing to carry a Glock ( ), I can't see why anyone would disapprove of your attire. I carry the guns that I shoot the best, is why. Those two are the ones that work for me better than any others (and I have plenty). 
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Not my state. Colorado constitution. Read it. Section 13. Right to bear arms. The right of no person to keep and bear arms in defense of his home, person and property, or in aid of the civil power when thereto legally summoned, shall be called in question; but nothing herein contained shall be construed to justify the practice of carrying concealed weapons. Part in bold red is the privilege infringement on the Second Amendment. FIFY 
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Not my state. Colorado constitution. Read it. Section 13. Right to bear arms. The right of no person to keep and bear arms in defense of his home, person and property, or in aid of the civil power when thereto legally summoned, shall be called in question; but nothing herein contained shall be construed to justify the practice of carrying concealed weapons. Part in bold red is the privilege infringement on the Second Amendment. FIFY In CO CC is a privilege. Do I agree with it? NOPE! |
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Quoted: You caught that too huh? I stopped reading after I got to that word. Quoted: Quoted: Privilege? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile You caught that too huh? I stopped reading after I got to that word. Ask the people in California how their OC rights are. If a right can be made illegal to execute then it is really a privilege. A privilege that is allowed until the opposite gets pissed off enough and builds enough support to eliminate it, just like they did in California. The every day citizens that an OCer runs into are the people that will vote to make it illegal to exercise that right. I know a bunch of people on this site don't want to hear it and think they are right so it doesn't matter...well just look to California to see how well that attitude worked out. OC is fine, just don't look like slob, don't do it obnoxiously with the purpose of pissing people off, and carry stupid useless gear that would be difficult to use if ever needed. A little common courtesy and respect isn't too much to ask. I to recently ran across someone open carrying with a drop leg holster. His clothes and mannerisms made him look like some type of tweaker and his drop leg holster looked more like a knee brace because it was set so low. OC is common here so people are used to it but everyone that saw him had the "what the hell is wrong with him" expression. Now compare that to the business casual dressed men that were open carrying when I followed them into Buffalo Wild Wings, right past the no guns sign. Maybe the LEO's, maybe they were just a group of guys. It was hard to tell but no way even gave them a second look. Public perception is reality and when the OCs create a negative public perception the reality of the situation is more restrictions. |
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Ask the people in California how their OC rights are. If a right can be made illegal to execute then it is really a privilege. A privilege that is allowed until the opposite gets pissed off enough and builds enough support to eliminate it, just like they did in California. The every day citizens that an OCer runs into are the people that will vote to make it illegal to exercise that right. I know a bunch of people on this site don't want to hear it and think they are right so it doesn't matter...well just look to California to see how well that attitude worked out. OC is fine, just don't look like slob, don't do it obnoxiously with the purpose of pissing people off, and carry stupid useless gear that would be difficult to use if ever needed. A little common courtesy and respect isn't too much to ask. I to recently ran across someone open carrying with a drop leg holster. His clothes and mannerisms made him look like some type of tweaker and his drop leg holster looked more like a knee brace because it was set so low. OC is common here so people are used to it but everyone that saw him had the "what the hell is wrong with him" expression. Now compare that to the business casual dressed men that were open carrying when I followed them into Buffalo Wild Wings, right past the no guns sign. Maybe the LEO's, maybe they were just a group of guys. It was hard to tell but no way even gave them a second look. Public perception is reality and when the OCs create a negative public perception the reality of the situation is more restrictions. Quoted:
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Privilege? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile You caught that too huh? I stopped reading after I got to that word. Ask the people in California how their OC rights are. If a right can be made illegal to execute then it is really a privilege. A privilege that is allowed until the opposite gets pissed off enough and builds enough support to eliminate it, just like they did in California. The every day citizens that an OCer runs into are the people that will vote to make it illegal to exercise that right. I know a bunch of people on this site don't want to hear it and think they are right so it doesn't matter...well just look to California to see how well that attitude worked out. OC is fine, just don't look like slob, don't do it obnoxiously with the purpose of pissing people off, and carry stupid useless gear that would be difficult to use if ever needed. A little common courtesy and respect isn't too much to ask. I to recently ran across someone open carrying with a drop leg holster. His clothes and mannerisms made him look like some type of tweaker and his drop leg holster looked more like a knee brace because it was set so low. OC is common here so people are used to it but everyone that saw him had the "what the hell is wrong with him" expression. Now compare that to the business casual dressed men that were open carrying when I followed them into Buffalo Wild Wings, right past the no guns sign. Maybe the LEO's, maybe they were just a group of guys. It was hard to tell but no way even gave them a second look. Public perception is reality and when the OCs create a negative public perception the reality of the situation is more restrictions. 
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I'm about ready to go run some errands. Does the Hive approve of my OC? http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b538/Bmill113/5A81DB4F-FA1E-4AF1-892D-DAB89C8D9922_zpsirlrwtgt.jpg I dunno, put it on Tinypic or something that's not blocked here at work and I'll tell you. |
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In CO CC is a privilege unalienable right guaranteed by the US Constitution, but the state of Colorado thought they knew better. Do I agree with it? NOPE! Quoted:
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Not my state. Colorado constitution. Read it. Section 13. Right to bear arms. The right of no person to keep and bear arms in defense of his home, person and property, or in aid of the civil power when thereto legally summoned, shall be called in question; but nothing herein contained shall be construed to justify the practice of carrying concealed weapons. Part in bold red is the privilege infringement on the Second Amendment. FIFY In CO CC is a privilege unalienable right guaranteed by the US Constitution, but the state of Colorado thought they knew better. Do I agree with it? NOPE! FIFY. I'm getting tired of being your mechanic.
I know what you're saying, but be careful using that wording. At every opportunity we need to let others know that we exercise rights, not privileges. |
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Yesterday I had the opportunity to speak with a gentleman who opts to exercise his OC privilege. The setting was a fairly popular fast food-ish restaurant during lunch hour. I couldn't help but notice the surplus Eagle Industries drop leg in ACU that was wrapped around his leg. If the rig was a smidge lower it could've served as a decent ankle holster. While talking with him I noticed that his weapon of choice was a 1911 of some sort, the hammer was down and every safety strap on the holster was fully engaged which would make any type of fast draw impossible. I thought that part of the OC argument was that it makes society safer, clearly this gentleman would fail miserably at any attempt of slaying dragons, I could be wrong but I don't think so as his back was to the main entrance/exits and cash registers. I'm trying to understand this "Look at me I'm armed and probably will be the first shot by a BG" mindset. I have yet to run into a squared away OC supporter, you guys need a PR firm.Privilege? Is that related to "white privilege? Fail is fail. |
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I'm about ready to go run some errands. Does the Hive approve of my OC? http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b538/Bmill113/5A81DB4F-FA1E-4AF1-892D-DAB89C8D9922_zpsirlrwtgt.jpg We have different definitions of the meaning of "dress nice".
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I'm about ready to go run some errands. Does the Hive approve of my OC? http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b538/Bmill113/5A81DB4F-FA1E-4AF1-892D-DAB89C8D9922_zpsirlrwtgt.jpg We have different definitions of the meaning of "dress nice". 
But Plaid and Flannel are totally in
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I'm about ready to go run some errands. Does the Hive approve of my OC? http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b538/Bmill113/5A81DB4F-FA1E-4AF1-892D-DAB89C8D9922_zpsirlrwtgt.jpg looks fine. Very likely no one would ever notice |
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I'm about ready to go run some errands. Does the Hive approve of my OC? http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b538/Bmill113/5A81DB4F-FA1E-4AF1-892D-DAB89C8D9922_zpsirlrwtgt.jpg We have different definitions of the meaning of "dress nice".
But Plaid and Flannel are totally in I never said I was a fashionable fellow.
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Ask the people in California how their OC rights are. If a right can be made illegal to execute then it is really a privilege. A privilege that is allowed until the opposite gets pissed off enough and builds enough support to eliminate it, just like they did in California. The every day citizens that an OCer runs into are the people that will vote to make it illegal to exercise that right. I know a bunch of people on this site don't want to hear it and think they are right so it doesn't matter...well just look to California to see how well that attitude worked out. OC is fine, just don't look like slob, don't do it obnoxiously with the purpose of pissing people off, and carry stupid useless gear that would be difficult to use if ever needed. A little common courtesy and respect isn't too much to ask. I to recently ran across someone open carrying with a drop leg holster. His clothes and mannerisms made him look like some type of tweaker and his drop leg holster looked more like a knee brace because it was set so low. OC is common here so people are used to it but everyone that saw him had the "what the hell is wrong with him" expression. Now compare that to the business casual dressed men that were open carrying when I followed them into Buffalo Wild Wings, right past the no guns sign. Maybe the LEO's, maybe they were just a group of guys. It was hard to tell but no way even gave them a second look. Public perception is reality and when the OCs create a negative public perception the reality of the situation is more restrictions. Quoted:
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Privilege? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile You caught that too huh? I stopped reading after I got to that word. Ask the people in California how their OC rights are. If a right can be made illegal to execute then it is really a privilege. A privilege that is allowed until the opposite gets pissed off enough and builds enough support to eliminate it, just like they did in California. The every day citizens that an OCer runs into are the people that will vote to make it illegal to exercise that right. I know a bunch of people on this site don't want to hear it and think they are right so it doesn't matter...well just look to California to see how well that attitude worked out. OC is fine, just don't look like slob, don't do it obnoxiously with the purpose of pissing people off, and carry stupid useless gear that would be difficult to use if ever needed. A little common courtesy and respect isn't too much to ask. I to recently ran across someone open carrying with a drop leg holster. His clothes and mannerisms made him look like some type of tweaker and his drop leg holster looked more like a knee brace because it was set so low. OC is common here so people are used to it but everyone that saw him had the "what the hell is wrong with him" expression. Now compare that to the business casual dressed men that were open carrying when I followed them into Buffalo Wild Wings, right past the no guns sign. Maybe the LEO's, maybe they were just a group of guys. It was hard to tell but no way even gave them a second look. Public perception is reality and when the OCs create a negative public perception the reality of the situation is more restrictions. A Right can be made against the law, but it is still a Right. You just have to make the personal decision if the exercise of that Right is worth the punishment for violating the law. |
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Quoted: A Right can be made against the law, but it is still a Right. You just have to make the personal decision if the exercise of that Right is worth the punishment for violating the law. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Privilege? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile You caught that too huh? I stopped reading after I got to that word. Ask the people in California how their OC rights are. If a right can be made illegal to execute then it is really a privilege. A privilege that is allowed until the opposite gets pissed off enough and builds enough support to eliminate it, just like they did in California. The every day citizens that an OCer runs into are the people that will vote to make it illegal to exercise that right. I know a bunch of people on this site don't want to hear it and think they are right so it doesn't matter...well just look to California to see how well that attitude worked out. OC is fine, just don't look like slob, don't do it obnoxiously with the purpose of pissing people off, and carry stupid useless gear that would be difficult to use if ever needed. A little common courtesy and respect isn't too much to ask. I to recently ran across someone open carrying with a drop leg holster. His clothes and mannerisms made him look like some type of tweaker and his drop leg holster looked more like a knee brace because it was set so low. OC is common here so people are used to it but everyone that saw him had the "what the hell is wrong with him" expression. Now compare that to the business casual dressed men that were open carrying when I followed them into Buffalo Wild Wings, right past the no guns sign. Maybe the LEO's, maybe they were just a group of guys. It was hard to tell but no way even gave them a second look. Public perception is reality and when the OCs create a negative public perception the reality of the situation is more restrictions. A Right can be made against the law, but it is still a Right. You just have to make the personal decision if the exercise of that Right is worth the punishment for violating the law. Yeah, that's why I said they would pass a law making it illegal to exercise that right. But at the point where you go to jail for doing something, does it really matter what you call it? A right that exists only in theory does no one any good. I would rather we not get to that point by showing some common courtesy and respect to non-gun owners. I'm trying to get through to the hard headed people that think "It's my right and I'll do what I want" as they piss off the majority of voters, whose votes count just as much, and will eventually vote to put people in jail for exercising their right. |
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Yeah, that's why I said they would pass a law making it illegal to exercise that right. But at the point where you go to jail for doing something, does it really matter what you call it? A right that exists only in theory does no one any good. I would rather we not get to that point by showing some common courtesy and respect to non-gun owners. I'm trying to get through to the hard headed people that think "It's my right and I'll do what I want" as they piss off the majority of voters, whose votes count just as much, and will eventually vote to put people in jail for exercising their right. Quoted:
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Privilege? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile You caught that too huh? I stopped reading after I got to that word. Ask the people in California how their OC rights are. If a right can be made illegal to execute then it is really a privilege. A privilege that is allowed until the opposite gets pissed off enough and builds enough support to eliminate it, just like they did in California. The every day citizens that an OCer runs into are the people that will vote to make it illegal to exercise that right. I know a bunch of people on this site don't want to hear it and think they are right so it doesn't matter...well just look to California to see how well that attitude worked out. OC is fine, just don't look like slob, don't do it obnoxiously with the purpose of pissing people off, and carry stupid useless gear that would be difficult to use if ever needed. A little common courtesy and respect isn't too much to ask. I to recently ran across someone open carrying with a drop leg holster. His clothes and mannerisms made him look like some type of tweaker and his drop leg holster looked more like a knee brace because it was set so low. OC is common here so people are used to it but everyone that saw him had the "what the hell is wrong with him" expression. Now compare that to the business casual dressed men that were open carrying when I followed them into Buffalo Wild Wings, right past the no guns sign. Maybe the LEO's, maybe they were just a group of guys. It was hard to tell but no way even gave them a second look. Public perception is reality and when the OCs create a negative public perception the reality of the situation is more restrictions. A Right can be made against the law, but it is still a Right. You just have to make the personal decision if the exercise of that Right is worth the punishment for violating the law. Yeah, that's why I said they would pass a law making it illegal to exercise that right. But at the point where you go to jail for doing something, does it really matter what you call it? A right that exists only in theory does no one any good. I would rather we not get to that point by showing some common courtesy and respect to non-gun owners. I'm trying to get through to the hard headed people that think "It's my right and I'll do what I want" as they piss off the majority of voters, whose votes count just as much, and will eventually vote to put people in jail for exercising their right. If the system has gotten to the point where folks are willing to elect people to restrict basic Laws of Nature, the system is broken. Governments are ordained to PROTECT those Laws, and when they become restrictive, it is time to exercise another basic Right. The Right to change it to one that will. |
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I'm about ready to go run some errands. Does the Hive approve of my OC? http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b538/Bmill113/5A81DB4F-FA1E-4AF1-892D-DAB89C8D9922_zpsirlrwtgt.jpg Thread your belt through the loop behind the holster. |