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Posted: 2/1/2024 10:30:19 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: I’m looking forward to watch the evolution of the sentient of English fans. Looks like Lando is now the anointed. I wonder how the view of Mercedes will change? Hell, they might even join RB and lose the status of “an English team”. I wonder if that Silverstone tweet about Lando staying is what this was referencing? |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 10:30:51 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By poison123: Committed a FULL YEAR before hand.....thats.....gotta present some secrecy challenges for Mercedes on development too. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By poison123: Originally Posted By SemperGumbi: No kidding. I guess they can’t just let him go now without being called racist, but why would you want a driver around who you knew was already committed to leaving? Committed a FULL YEAR before hand.....thats.....gotta present some secrecy challenges for Mercedes on development too. 2025 is going to be a wash for most teams, they will be focused on the 2026 regs at some point this year. Not sure how much of that he will be privy to, they'll be relying on George to help with that instead. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 2/1/2024 10:31:13 AM EST
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I'll tell you this...whats going to be fucking hilarious is if Russell beats the shit out of Lewis in 25.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 2/1/2024 10:36:42 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Javak: Toto under his breath:”oh thank god they took that assclown off my hand.” Agree that deep down, he’s ready to move on from Hammy. Been ready since they signed Russell. But, he’ll never admit it publicly. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 2/1/2024 10:37:44 AM EST
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Can’t wait for Hammy to start whining about Ferrari strategy on the radio all of the time.
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Posted: 2/1/2024 10:41:44 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By exDefensorMilitas: I wonder if that Silverstone tweet about Lando staying is what this was referencing? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By exDefensorMilitas: Originally Posted By fike: I’m looking forward to watch the evolution of the sentient of English fans. Looks like Lando is now the anointed. I wonder how the view of Mercedes will change? Hell, they might even join RB and lose the status of “an English team”. I wonder if that Silverstone tweet about Lando staying is what this was referencing? Exactly. When the British track states that “he is staying here” it implies that the team (McLaren) is in the same category. Never mind that Bahrain owns McLaren, putting them right beside Red Bull, Mercedes, etc. |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 10:52:38 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By willi3d: Can’t wait for Hammy to start whining about Ferrari strategy on the radio all of the time. That will be worth the price of the F1 subscription right there. |
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MD, USA
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Posted: 2/1/2024 10:57:25 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DCV_117: 2025 is going to be a wash for most teams, they will be focused on the 2026 regs at some point this year. Not sure how much of that he will be privy to, they'll be relying on George to help with that instead. That much I do agree with. By about the 1/3 into the ‘25 season, you’re going to see cars fall off from the teams that punched out to fully focus resources on the 2026 build. |
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MD, USA
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Posted: 2/1/2024 11:00:11 AM EST
[Last Edit: Shadow_Dancer]
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Javak: Toto under his breath:”oh thank god they took that assclown off my hand.” Assclown? The guy that gave them their first WCC since returning to F1 after a 50 year absence and an additional eight. Pulled an a marginal car and pulled it into third in the championship last season. Come on I know you don’t even believe the nonsense you just wrote. 🫨😉 
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MD, USA
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Posted: 2/1/2024 11:06:31 AM EST
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If this rumor mill move does happen, it's going to be a hilarious shiite show.
Moving to a team who consistently show, over the last 15 years, their heads come up with some of the absolute worst race strategy and in-race calls, combined with the whatever the Italian version of the 'Keystone Cops' are as pit crew is breathtaking, if not abjectly stupid. Radio comms are going to be highly interesting to listen to this season if this does. *Bwee Do Bwee* "What the f*ck man! Why are you putting me on full Wets when the track is drying!" |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 11:20:38 AM EST
[Last Edit: DCV_117]
[#11]
Edit: Deleted because it's fake news, for now......
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 2/1/2024 11:37:57 AM EST
[Last Edit: deadmau5er]
[#12]
Spoilers: Leclerc is going to beat Lewis on most days and Max will continue destroying everyone.
Ferrari is infamous for having a favorite driver and people are nuts if they think Italians are going to choose Lewis over Charles. |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 11:41:55 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DCV_117:
https://gifdb.com/images/high/popcorn-eating-498-x-342-gif-0l9y1h7auzcwfajx.webp Okay i have to ask - is it normal to have all this’ drama’ prior to the season opening test sessions? I presumed that the mid year break was when these shenanigans took place. |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 11:57:18 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chaas67: Okay i have to ask - is it normal to have all this’ drama’ prior to the season opening test sessions? I presumed that the mid year break was when these shenanigans took place. Alonso in talks to Merc is fake news for now, but this level of drama usually occurs just before the summer break. This much activity in the preseason is not normal, it makes for an awkward year. |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 11:58:09 AM EST
[Last Edit: DCV_117]
[#15]
Edit: dupe
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Posted: 2/1/2024 11:58:18 AM EST
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chaas67: Okay i have to ask - is it normal to have all this’ drama’ prior to the season opening test sessions? I presumed that the mid year break was when these shenanigans took place. No. It's very strange. August/September is traditional silly season. |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 12:13:59 PM EST
[#17]
Wow, Hamilton to Ferrari. i knew it'd happen one day.
I wonder how Leclerc feels about this. |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 12:16:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shadow_Dancer: Assclown? The guy that gave them their first WCC since returning to F1 after a 50 year absence and an additional eight. Pulled an a marginal car and pulled it into third in the championship last season. Come on I know you don’t even believe the nonsense you just wrote. 🫨😉 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shadow_Dancer: Originally Posted By Javak: Toto under his breath:”oh thank god they took that assclown off my hand.” Assclown? The guy that gave them their first WCC since returning to F1 after a 50 year absence and an additional eight. Pulled an a marginal car and pulled it into third in the championship last season. Come on I know you don’t even believe the nonsense you just wrote. 🫨😉 If the last few years of threads haven't convinced you we (most of the thread) think Lewis is an assclown, this one certainly won't either. 
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FM, USA
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Posted: 2/1/2024 12:18:24 PM EST
[#19]
I think what would be interesting is Ham tanking this season or a race if it benefits Ferrari in the constructor's championship.
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FM, USA
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Posted: 2/1/2024 12:21:57 PM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By deadmau5er: Spoilers: Leclerc is going to beat Lewis on most days and Max will continue destroying everyone. Ferrari is infamous for having a favorite driver and people are nuts if they think Italians are going to choose Lewis over Charles. Ham worked with Vasseur in the junior categories and is friends with Ferrari's president Elkann I think they will try to be equitable. |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 2/1/2024 12:23:38 PM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Plumber576: Wow, Hamilton to Ferrari. i knew it'd happen one day. I wonder how Leclerc feels about this. Not confirmed. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 2/1/2024 12:24:12 PM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By willi3d: I guess Hammy really wants to check off the “drive for Ferrari” box on his F1 bucket list. That’s the only logical explanation. I think Leclerc might want to be a little worried as, like him or not, Hammy can still be a formidable driver in a car that isn’t a complete POS. After Canada in 2022, and overall in 2023, he beat Russell. Leclerc is going to have to stop making stupid mistakes. Think this is a massive mistake for Ferrari and they’re doing Sainz dirty. He doesn’t deserve to get dumped as he’s a good driver. Has this been officially confirmed by anyone, or just a very loud rumor that’s spreading? This is truth. Hams is old but still competitive as hell. In a fast car he'll still be a threat so long as the car isn't totally build for LeClerc like RB is to Max. Hams might be thinking Merc is just not catching up anytime soon, and he might actually have a chance to win in a Ferrari. |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 12:34:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Liquid77: Not confirmed. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Liquid77: Originally Posted By Plumber576: Wow, Hamilton to Ferrari. i knew it'd happen one day. I wonder how Leclerc feels about this. Not confirmed. They may even get some sort of legal penalty. They're an official F1 broadcaster, not some two bit gossip channel on YouTube. |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 12:38:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RRA_223: This is truth. Hams is old but still competitive as hell. In a fast car he'll still be a threat so long as the car isn't totally build for LeClerc like RB is to Max. Hams might be thinking Merc is just not catching up anytime soon, and he might actually have a chance to win in a Ferrari. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RRA_223: Originally Posted By willi3d: I guess Hammy really wants to check off the “drive for Ferrari” box on his F1 bucket list. That’s the only logical explanation. I think Leclerc might want to be a little worried as, like him or not, Hammy can still be a formidable driver in a car that isn’t a complete POS. After Canada in 2022, and overall in 2023, he beat Russell. Leclerc is going to have to stop making stupid mistakes. Think this is a massive mistake for Ferrari and they’re doing Sainz dirty. He doesn’t deserve to get dumped as he’s a good driver. Has this been officially confirmed by anyone, or just a very loud rumor that’s spreading? This is truth. Hams is old but still competitive as hell. In a fast car he'll still be a threat so long as the car isn't totally build for LeClerc like RB is to Max. Hams might be thinking Merc is just not catching up anytime soon, and he might actually have a chance to win in a Ferrari. Also possible Ham knows Rus is the new it thing and he cant keep up. Transfer to ferrari and see if he can be the it thing. |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 12:38:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By flyhack72: Ham worked with Vasseur in the junior categories and is friends with Ferrari's president Elkann I think they will try to be equitable. Italians roll different though, I don't see Charles not being the favorite on that team. Regardless, I still think Leclerc will be faster than Lewis on days when he doesn't crash even if they are being fair with strategy. |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 12:44:04 PM EST
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The Tifosi will love whoever brings home the car in P1. Some good Italian living might knock some of the nonsense out of Hammo.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 2/1/2024 1:01:30 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Esterhase: The Tifosi will love whoever brings home the car in P1. Some good Italian living might knock some of the nonsense out of Hammo. ^This^. Winning is all that matters. They don’t have to like the guy. |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 1:06:04 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RRA_223: so long as the car isn't totally build for LeClerc like RB is to Max. I am so sick of hearing this stupid trope. I bet Alonso would be just as fast in Max's car as Max is. So would LeClerc or Hamilton or Schumacher or Senna. So what? It is not cheating to make a car that your best driver can drive well. It would be dumb not to do that.  |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 1:09:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By willi3d: I guess Hammy really wants to check off the “drive for Ferrari” box on his F1 bucket list. That’s the only logical explanation. I think Leclerc might want to be a little worried as, like him or not, Hammy can still be a formidable driver in a car that isn’t a complete POS. After Canada in 2022, and overall in 2023, he beat Russell. Leclerc is going to have to stop making stupid mistakes. Think this is a massive mistake for Ferrari and they’re doing Sainz dirty. He doesn’t deserve to get dumped as he’s a good driver. Has this been officially confirmed by anyone, or just a very loud rumor that’s spreading? So far, just rumor  LEWIS HAMILTON to join FERRARI in 2025! |
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 2/1/2024 1:13:45 PM EST
[Last Edit: deadmau5er]
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SemperGumbi: I am so sick of hearing this stupid trope. I bet Alonso would be just as fast in Max's car as Max is. So would LeClerc or Hamilton or Schumacher or Senna. So what? It is not cheating to make a car that your best driver can drive well. It would be dumb not to do that. Albon basically debunks this. He said something along the lines of Max basically has a computer mouse on max sensitivity settings and then asks for more sensitivity. RB is making the fastest possible car and Max is able to push it to extreme limits. It's not designed for Max. |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 1:16:38 PM EST
[#31]
I felt the earth move and came to check this threads mental health.
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OH, USA
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Posted: 2/1/2024 1:23:07 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GeneralDisaray: Also possible Ham knows Rus is the new it thing and he cant keep up. Transfer to ferrari and see if he can be the it thing. Lol. You mean like last year, where Lewis was way ahead? 59 point difference even after Lewis got DQ from COTA. They were even in qualifying, but hams just outperformed on track. I think LeClerc is the bigger threat being already a #1 driver and having experience in the car (while still being a young gun) You can not like Hams, but your rational is silly. He's clearly a competitor who is still very much in the game and isn't afraid of starting over to win. The smart / lazy / easy plan would be to ride it out at Mercedes and blame the car. |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 1:25:22 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RRA_223: This is truth. Hams is old but still competitive as hell. In a fast car he'll still be a threat so long as the car isn't then run by Ferrari race strategists Hams might be thinking Merc is just not catching up anytime soon, and he might actually have a chance to win in a Ferrari. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 2/1/2024 1:43:04 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RRA_223: Lol. You mean like last year, where Lewis was way ahead? 59 point difference even after Lewis got DQ from COTA. They were even in qualifying, but hams just outperformed on track. I think LeClerc is the bigger threat being already a #1 driver and having experience in the car (while still being a young gun) You can not like Hams, but your rational is silly. He's clearly a competitor who is still very much in the game and isn't afraid of starting over to win. The smart / lazy / easy plan would be to ride it out at Mercedes and blame the car. Thats the desperation. |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 1:50:02 PM EST
[Last Edit: GeneralDisaray]
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RRA_223: Lol. You mean like last year, where Lewis was way ahead? 59 point difference even after Lewis got DQ from COTA. They were even in qualifying, but hams just outperformed on track. I think LeClerc is the bigger threat being already a #1 driver and having experience in the car (while still being a young gun) You can not like Hams, but your rational is silly. He's clearly a competitor who is still very much in the game and isn't afraid of starting over to win. The smart / lazy / easy plan would be to ride it out at Mercedes and blame the car. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RRA_223: Originally Posted By GeneralDisaray: Also possible Ham knows Rus is the new it thing and he cant keep up. Transfer to ferrari and see if he can be the it thing. Lol. You mean like last year, where Lewis was way ahead? 59 point difference even after Lewis got DQ from COTA. They were even in qualifying, but hams just outperformed on track. I think LeClerc is the bigger threat being already a #1 driver and having experience in the car (while still being a young gun) You can not like Hams, but your rational is silly. He's clearly a competitor who is still very much in the game and isn't afraid of starting over to win. The smart / lazy / easy plan would be to ride it out at Mercedes and blame the car. Never once said hes not competitive but hes not the future. At some point that transition has to happen. I am sure its multiple things and on Hams level but after the way he acted last year there is definitely possiblity that Merc has started to get on the RUS train. Ferrari is an absolute train wreck - merc had(has?) a terrible car. I think it more logical you can help correct a car then re-write an entire team including strategy. |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 2:01:02 PM EST
[#36]
It's official
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Posted: 2/1/2024 2:03:50 PM EST
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 2/1/2024 2:04:31 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RRA_223: Lol. You mean like last year, where Lewis was way ahead? 59 point difference even after Lewis got DQ from COTA. They were even in qualifying, but hams just outperformed on track. I think LeClerc is the bigger threat being already a #1 driver and having experience in the car (while still being a young gun) You can not like Hams, but your rational is silly. He's clearly a competitor who is still very much in the game and isn't afraid of starting over to win. The smart / lazy / easy plan would be to ride it out at Mercedes and blame the car. Lewis has a harder job ahead of him than Leclerc does for sure. Charles is the only guy on the grid that is ALMOST as good as Max and can challenge him in a decent car. Ferrari and McLaren are looking like constructor may not be a given for Red Bull unless they replace Checo. |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 2:04:32 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shung: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Either Ferrari will have to suck big time or leclerc to crush lulu for me to keep watching Or maybe someone thought it was April already ? It would be a shame if you quit. We would miss your posts. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 2/1/2024 2:06:05 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SemperGumbi: I am so sick of hearing this stupid trope. I bet Alonso would be just as fast in Max's car as Max is. So would LeClerc or Hamilton or Schumacher or Senna. So what? It is not cheating to make a car that your best driver can drive well. It would be dumb not to do that. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SemperGumbi: Originally Posted By RRA_223: so long as the car isn't totally build for LeClerc like RB is to Max. I am so sick of hearing this stupid trope. I bet Alonso would be just as fast in Max's car as Max is. So would LeClerc or Hamilton or Schumacher or Senna. So what? It is not cheating to make a car that your best driver can drive well. It would be dumb not to do that. Settle down, friend. No one said it is cheating to design a car around a driver preference. Guaranteed Hamilton got more weight than Russell when giving feedback on car design. But Red Bull goes through #2 drivers like ice cubes in Cuba. None of them have even come close to matching Max as the car was developed around him. Some of that is because Max is at another level - a good part of it is most of those drivers go somewhere else and improve relative to their team mates; and most all of those former Red Bull drivers have commented on car setup not matching their driving style. This concept has been, like a thing, ever since the teams have had two drivers. The hard part is saying just "how much" the setup is worth vs driver skill at the Pinnacle of racing, where most drivers are just flat out exceptional? |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 2/1/2024 2:08:47 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By poison123: Thats the desperation. They're all desperate to win. That's not the same thing as being afraid of Russell or thinking he can't win against Russell in a competitive car. Again, there's very little to say Russell is any more scary to Lewis than Bottas. LeClerc is potentially more dangerous IMHO. And I'll bet he's desperate too! If the Ferrari is competitive at all, they'll be going at each other hard on track. |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 2:10:44 PM EST
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Lord knows I am not a fan of Hamilton but he proved last year that even with a talented team mate he was able to focus and get good race results - comparatively and within the limitations of the car provided.
That is the area that I think Russell struggles with. He is talented, but he is also seems a bit flaky. He is always wanting to try alternate strategies, he takes unecessary risks for only limited gains, and he just appears to not have the focus that will get him more consistent results. Hopefully that will come with experience. |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 2:12:59 PM EST
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Posted: 2/1/2024 2:16:34 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DCV_117:
Sounds like they really opened the check book... Multi year contract for a guy who seems on the cusp of retirement... |
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 2/1/2024 2:17:26 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SemperGumbi: Sounds like they really opened the check book... Multi year contract for a guy who seems on the cusp of retirement... Do you think they'll pay more for him than Charles? Apparently Charles gets big money from Ferrari. |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 2:17:57 PM EST
[#46]
Statement from Carlos Sainz
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GA, USA
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Posted: 2/1/2024 2:20:37 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DCV_117:
LOL Multi year.....wasn't Lewis just crowing about taking a year or so off from F1 and then coming back. LOL. Horner was telling the truth, that douche bag really did approach RB about a seat. |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 2:28:40 PM EST
[Last Edit: tifosi]
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By willi3d: ^This^. Winning is all that matters. They don't have to like the guy. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By willi3d: Originally Posted By Esterhase: The Tifosi will love whoever brings home the car in P1. Some good Italian living might knock some of the nonsense out of Hammo. ^This^. Winning is all that matters. They don't have to like the guy. I have my differences with Lewis, but that revolves around him dragging his political activism through the paddock, not his driving. If he can keep that under control (and I suspect Ferrari will keep that under control. They are fiercely controlling about their image.), and he turns in results ... well, pigs do fly I suppose. |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 2:32:26 PM EST
[Last Edit: KA3B]
[#49]
If anyone thinks that Merc or Ferrari are going to give full support to Hamilton or Sainz this season, I have a bridge I want to sell you in Brooklyn.
When Hamilton gets on the radio this season to complain more than likely the response will be "I'm sorry, the person you're trying to reach has not set up the mailbox for this account. Goodbye". "Oh look, Hamilton is coming in for tires." "And?" And Bottas will continue to laugh. |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 2:36:09 PM EST
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This is Tom Brady to the Bucs all over again.
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