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Link Posted: 3/13/2022 1:35:42 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mancow:

So Mexican Cartels become next superpower.
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Originally Posted By mancow:
Originally Posted By Vinnland:

He posted the maximum damage scenaro for the US on twitter:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNsKR_OVsAMkRHY?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

So Mexican Cartels become next superpower.
Fixed
Link Posted: 3/13/2022 1:36:00 PM EDT
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I saw several posting yesterday that inferred the Ukrainians were out of TB-2's due to attrition in the air.  Anyone seen any updates or info on what their status is and how many Turkey can resupply?  I would love to see the US provide Reapers and Switchblades.  I'm shocked we haven't had that up and running by now?
Link Posted: 3/13/2022 1:38:10 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By stone-age:


Why would Iran be firing on the US?
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Weak ass president is weak ass president
Link Posted: 3/13/2022 1:40:30 PM EDT
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That's unfortunate. When you only have so many resources, it's hard to mass those resources in sufficient quantity to really count without putting somewhere else at risk. My hope is that as we continue to provide weapons and intel, they are able to turn the tide before a major humanitarian disaster occurs. Ukraine needs more than just individual weapons. They need things that can destroy an armored column from afar.
Link Posted: 3/13/2022 1:41:14 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By evilyoda:


So are you a media/press member or an aid worker?
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Originally Posted By evilyoda:
Originally Posted By Eight_Ring:


I remember watching the war in Chechnya on TV late at night with my dad.  The Russians were leveling Grozny.  A jet had just dropped cluster bomb munitions, and the TV crew went scrambling.  My dad turned to me and asked (a little concerned) if I was thinking about heading over.  I snorted and said: Fuck That.  Jets dropping cluster-bomb munitions? There was no way I was going into a war in which a First World army was a combatant.


So are you a media/press member or an aid worker?


I carried a camera to war zones, and I wrote about what I saw.  I made my travel money working in the blue-collar trades.  WHY I was there had nothing to do with money, although I sometimes got paid for the pictures that I took and the things that I wrote.  I never considered myself a "professional" writer or photographer, although lots of people were impressed with the quality of my work.
Link Posted: 3/13/2022 1:41:17 PM EDT
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Can we get a petition going on Twitter to encourage Elon to quickly develop and build a loitering hunter/killer drone swarm that can be launched by the thousands from a semi truck/trailer.  Could be a market for it.
Link Posted: 3/13/2022 1:43:15 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Auto5guy:
Mass surrender of the opposing side is the best possible outcome on the battlefield. They should do everything possible to facilitate that. Kuhndog is a thousand percent correct. Executing POW'S undermines that. Hell even the strapped to a pole bare ass whipped with a belt videos that have come out undermine that.

"We've got hot food to feed you. A warm place to sleep. We don't blame you for Putin's evil. We'll treat you nice and listen to your tale of woe."

Is EXACTLY the message Ukraine needs to send to Russian soldiers
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Originally Posted By Auto5guy:
Originally Posted By Kuhndog:

Additionally, rooskies are surrendering quite a bit. Let word get out POWs are being executed and then they have something to fight for. Right now they have an out.
Mass surrender of the opposing side is the best possible outcome on the battlefield. They should do everything possible to facilitate that. Kuhndog is a thousand percent correct. Executing POW'S undermines that. Hell even the strapped to a pole bare ass whipped with a belt videos that have come out undermine that.

"We've got hot food to feed you. A warm place to sleep. We don't blame you for Putin's evil. We'll treat you nice and listen to your tale of woe."

Is EXACTLY the message Ukraine needs to send to Russian soldiers

I totally understand that line of thinking and it stands to reason in a war with no choice of engaging. As in if you are already in with no chance to get out. On the other hand, with Russia desperately seeking mercenaries and volunteers from amongst their populous and the world there is another line of thinking that has validity. Say you are a poor young man living in bumblefuck Russia and you had the chance to go to war, bring back trophies , perhaps find glory, have adventure, and kill the westerners that had kept you down. You know that worst case is you are killed, but that as long as you avoided that, then your two most likely outcomes were glory and your dreams coming true, or capture and eventual return to the same place you are now. Does not sound like a terrible gig for someone with few options.

Turn the tables and say three outcomes are equally as likely. You are 1- KIA, 2- you find the battlefield glory you seek, or 3- you are captured, strung up against a tree, tortured, humiliated, and left to freeze to death and be eaten by dogs. I think I would just stay in my shithole village.
Link Posted: 3/13/2022 1:45:05 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mnd6563:
Can we get a petition going on Twitter to encourage Elon to quickly develop and build a loitering hunter/killer drone swarm that can be launched by the thousands from a semi truck/trailer.  Could be a market for it.
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That exists.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/37062/china-conducts-test-of-massive-suicide-drone-swarm-launched-from-a-box-on-a-truck
Link Posted: 3/13/2022 1:46:10 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mnd6563:
Can we get a petition going on Twitter to encourage Elon to quickly develop and build a loitering hunter/killer drone swarm that can be launched by the thousands from a semi truck/trailer.  Could be a market for it.
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Like those pipe-dream YouTube quad copter videos the Russians were producing a number of years back?
Link Posted: 3/13/2022 1:46:12 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mnd6563:
I saw several posting yesterday that inferred the Ukrainians were out of TB-2's due to attrition in the air.  Anyone seen any updates or info on what their status is and how many Turkey can resupply?  I would love to see the US provide Reapers and Switchblades.  I'm shocked we haven't had that up and running by now?
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The more I think about it the less I want the US to send anything to Ukraine.
It's an act of war.
Think about it in reverse, if Mexico and South America invaded us and Putin was sending Migs and thermobaric weapons to them.
We have no business getting involved in Ukraine.
Send aide for the refugees and call it a day.
Link Posted: 3/13/2022 1:46:29 PM EDT
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Foreign fighters join the battle to defend Ukraine | ABC News
Link Posted: 3/13/2022 1:47:21 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Ledfingers:


The UW-Madison used to have a research reactor in the engineering department, and it is the Capitol of the State.  Or maybe they are worried about my personal arsenal living just outside of Madistan.  Probably, the foreign guy who made the simulator probably saw something that he misinterpreted as a juicy target.
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Did the 115th fighter wing in Madison get their F-35’s yet?
Link Posted: 3/13/2022 1:48:01 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Kokodude:


The more I think about it the less I want the US to send anything to Ukraine.
It's an act of war.
Think about it in reverse, if Mexico and South America invaded us and Putin was sending Migs and thermobaric weapons to them.
We have no business getting involved in Ukraine.
Send aide for the refugees and call it a day.
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I think it'd be us Putin was sending migs to

Or whatever
Link Posted: 3/13/2022 1:50:19 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By amannamedjed:

This looks like a really great effort and my hat is off to the creator.

But, I don’t think the wind patterns are correct. For Oklahoma City, the wind typically blows north in the warm months, and south in the cold months. The simulation shows the wind blowing north east, which is pretty rare.
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Originally Posted By amannamedjed:
Originally Posted By Vinnland:
Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:


There's a guy working on a simulator for this, this is assuming all missiles work, no failures, and no intercepted missiles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55x11a0aKtY

He posted the maximum damage scenaro for the US on twitter:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNsKR_OVsAMkRHY?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

This looks like a really great effort and my hat is off to the creator.

But, I don’t think the wind patterns are correct. For Oklahoma City, the wind typically blows north in the warm months, and south in the cold months. The simulation shows the wind blowing north east, which is pretty rare.


He inputted the wind patterns for one day in January 2022 he said in the tweet.
Link Posted: 3/13/2022 1:52:01 PM EDT
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Give me a reason not to fly air patrol over western Ukraine and allow Polish SAM/Patriot batteries to do intercepts there. Russia doesn't want war with NATO, because there's a 99% chance of Russia being completely defeated and Putin and all his cronies ousted.
Link Posted: 3/13/2022 1:54:53 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Kokodude:


The more I think about it the less I want the US to send anything to Ukraine.
It's an act of war.
Think about it in reverse, if Mexico and South America invaded us and Putin was sending Migs and thermobaric weapons to them.
We have no business getting involved in Ukraine.
Send aide for the refugees and call it a day.
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Originally Posted By Kokodude:
Originally Posted By mnd6563:
I saw several posting yesterday that inferred the Ukrainians were out of TB-2's due to attrition in the air.  Anyone seen any updates or info on what their status is and how many Turkey can resupply?  I would love to see the US provide Reapers and Switchblades.  I'm shocked we haven't had that up and running by now?


The more I think about it the less I want the US to send anything to Ukraine.
It's an act of war.
Think about it in reverse, if Mexico and South America invaded us and Putin was sending Migs and thermobaric weapons to them.
We have no business getting involved in Ukraine.
Send aide for the refugees and call it a day.


Was Russian involvement in Vietnam a act of war ? How about American involvement in Russia's Afghanistan ?
Link Posted: 3/13/2022 1:57:16 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Kokodude:


The more I think about it the less I want the US to send anything to Ukraine.
It's an act of war.
Think about it in reverse, if Mexico and South America invaded us and Putin was sending Migs and thermobaric weapons to them.
We have no business getting involved in Ukraine.
Send aide for the refugees and call it a day.
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Maybe we should also preemptively give Alaska back to Russia in case Putin wants it. Putin has nukes after all.

And also maybe give our nuclear arsenal to Russia because the USA just having nukes is a threat to Russia.

Or maybe we should just surrender to Russia now. Think about it in reverse just the fact that the US exists is a threat to Russia.


And Putin has scary nukes!
Link Posted: 3/13/2022 1:58:52 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By colossians323:


Weak ass president is weak ass president
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Originally Posted By colossians323:


Weak ass president is weak ass president
Iranians mad at Israeli airstrikes in Syria. Not the most stupid thing the Iranians have ever done in the name of domestic outrage. I wouldn't be surprised if this was the result of internal politics in Iran.

Enough of this, I don't want to derail this thread.

Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) have claimed responsibility for a rocket attack that targeted the northern Iraqi city of Irbil.
A dozen ballistic missiles struck Irbil early on March 13, targeting the U.S. consulate's new building and the neighboring residential area but caused only material damage and one civilian was injured, the Kurdish Interior Ministry said.
The IRGC released a statement taking responsibility for the missile attack against Israeli "strategic centers" in Irbil, Iran's state media reported.
"Any repetition of attacks by Israel will be met with a harsh, decisive and destructive response," the IRGC said in the statement.
A U.S. official blamed Iran for the attack earlier on March 13 but did not give further details
Iran's Revolutionary Guards Say They Were Behind Rocket Attack On Irbil


Link Posted: 3/13/2022 2:02:06 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Kokodude:


The more I think about it the less I want the US to send anything to Ukraine.
It's an act of war.
Think about it in reverse, if Mexico and South America invaded us and Putin was sending Migs and thermobaric weapons to them.
We have no business getting involved in Ukraine.
Send aide for the refugees and call it a day.
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Glad you aren't in charge.  Pure cowardice.
Link Posted: 3/13/2022 2:02:18 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Ledfingers:


The UW-Madison used to have a research reactor in the engineering department, and it is the Capitol of the State.  Or maybe they are worried about my personal arsenal living just outside of Madistan.  Probably, the foreign guy who made the simulator probably saw something that he misinterpreted as a juicy target.
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Originally Posted By Ledfingers:
Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu:

Why does Madison get a nuke? Madison's on their side.


The UW-Madison used to have a research reactor in the engineering department, and it is the Capitol of the State.  Or maybe they are worried about my personal arsenal living just outside of Madistan.  Probably, the foreign guy who made the simulator probably saw something that he misinterpreted as a juicy target.


They are nuking major population centers….not just military targets.
Link Posted: 3/13/2022 2:03:45 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By rca2222:

I'd enjoy shooting that guy in the face. He's been a propagandist for Russia since 2014.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lbiplu3Cyjg

I'd enjoy shooting that guy in the face. He's been a propagandist for Russia since 2014.

I couldn't stand listening to him for more than about 5 seconds.
Link Posted: 3/13/2022 2:04:21 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By PurpleOtter:
Iranians mad at Israeli airstrikes in Syria. Not the most stupid thing the Iranians have ever done in the name of domestic outrage. I wouldn't be surprised if this was the result of internal politics in Iran.

Enough of this, I don't want to derail this thread.

Iran's Revolutionary Guards Say They Were Behind Rocket Attack On Irbil


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Originally Posted By colossians323:


Weak ass president is weak ass president
Iranians mad at Israeli airstrikes in Syria. Not the most stupid thing the Iranians have ever done in the name of domestic outrage. I wouldn't be surprised if this was the result of internal politics in Iran.

Enough of this, I don't want to derail this thread.

Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) have claimed responsibility for a rocket attack that targeted the northern Iraqi city of Irbil.
A dozen ballistic missiles struck Irbil early on March 13, targeting the U.S. consulate's new building and the neighboring residential area but caused only material damage and one civilian was injured, the Kurdish Interior Ministry said.
The IRGC released a statement taking responsibility for the missile attack against Israeli "strategic centers" in Irbil, Iran's state media reported.
"Any repetition of attacks by Israel will be met with a harsh, decisive and destructive response," the IRGC said in the statement.
A U.S. official blamed Iran for the attack earlier on March 13 but did not give further details
Iran's Revolutionary Guards Say They Were Behind Rocket Attack On Irbil




Iran does this to save face.

They aren’t doing this to stop or attack anyone.
Link Posted: 3/13/2022 2:06:50 PM EDT
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Iran does this to save face.

They aren't doing this to stop or attack anyone.
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Agreed, hence my comment about Iranian domestic outrage.
Link Posted: 3/13/2022 2:07:33 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mnd6563:
Can we get a petition going on Twitter to encourage Elon to quickly develop and build a loitering hunter/killer drone swarm that can be launched by the thousands from a semi truck/trailer.  Could be a market for it.
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Who's to say he hasn't done that already
Link Posted: 3/13/2022 2:08:53 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By kncook:


Iran does this to save face.

They aren’t doing this to stop or attack anyone.
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One of the high IQ people in another thread said this is why Iran launched those missiles.

"Or, another possibility--this is the consequence of countries who don't want to be run over by the absolute corruption that has taken over western nations (i.e. corporate enforced woke leftism/authoritarianism)."

Link Posted: 3/13/2022 2:10:53 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Auto5guy:
Mass surrender of the opposing side is the best possible outcome on the battlefield. They should do everything possible to facilitate that. Kuhndog is a thousand percent correct. Executing POW'S undermines that. Hell even the strapped to a pole bare ass whipped with a belt videos that have come out undermine that.

"We've got hot food to feed you. A warm place to sleep. We don't blame you for Putin's evil. We'll treat you nice and listen to your tale of woe."

Is EXACTLY the message Ukraine needs to send to Russian soldiers
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I hope the Ukrainians can manage to remember this. Soldiers who know that their prisoners are being executed will fight for their lives, and they will fight for revenge. I believe that numbers wise it is worth it to manage the POWs in hopes that it will encourage other russian soldiers to surrender, or chose to not do a very good job of attacking Ukraine.
Link Posted: 3/13/2022 2:12:34 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Mal_means_bad:
Is there any analysis of how well NATO ATGM stockpiles are holding up?  Some of these countries have to be worried about needing them on their home soil.  Can replacements be manufactured rapidly or are they bottlenecked?
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Your fears are possibly warranted, but wouldn't it be better to destroy as much of their armor as possible as soon as possible?

The modern battle field is changing at an alarming rate. Before long we'll be back in the trenches.
Link Posted: 3/13/2022 2:13:43 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Stretchman:


Your fears are possibly warranted, but wouldn't it be better to destroy as much of their armor as possible as soon as possible?

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No we won't.
Link Posted: 3/13/2022 2:13:48 PM EDT
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It's already been answered. We assassinated their most beloved general at the airport with a drone when trump was president. We have had a back and forth with them for a while. A reasonable back and forth. It's not about biden. They also attacked us when trump was president.
Link Posted: 3/13/2022 2:14:14 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mnd6563:
Can we get a petition going on Twitter to encourage Elon to quickly develop and build a loitering hunter/killer drone swarm that can be launched by the thousands from a semi truck/trailer.  Could be a market for it.
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That would be cool... or not.

Others are already thinking about it.

What Are Drone Swarms And Why Does Every Military Suddenly Want One?

Meet the future weapon of mass destruction, the drone swarm

Israel’s Drone Swarm Over Gaza Should Worry Everyone
Link Posted: 3/13/2022 2:14:22 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Kokodude:


The more I think about it the less I want the US to send anything to Ukraine.
It's an act of war.
Think about it in reverse, if Mexico and South America invaded us and Putin was sending Migs and thermobaric weapons to them.
We have no business getting involved in Ukraine.
Send aide for the refugees and call it a day.
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What happen to America standing up for what is good and right?  Have we given up on that idea.  Your post is sad.
Link Posted: 3/13/2022 2:14:25 PM EDT
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Latest US weapons supply train heading for Ukraine.  Russia declares it a serious and dangerous escalation!


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Holy crap, was that thing hit by a 203mm or what?
Link Posted: 3/13/2022 2:15:01 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By colossians323:

Weak ass president is weak ass president
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Why would Iran be firing on the US?

Weak ass president is weak ass president

Yup.
Link Posted: 3/13/2022 2:16:05 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 3one5:

What happen to America standing up for what is good and right?  Have we given up on that idea.  Your post is sad.
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Originally Posted By 3one5:
Originally Posted By Kokodude:


The more I think about it the less I want the US to send anything to Ukraine.
It's an act of war.
Think about it in reverse, if Mexico and South America invaded us and Putin was sending Migs and thermobaric weapons to them.
We have no business getting involved in Ukraine.
Send aide for the refugees and call it a day.

What happen to America standing up for what is good and right?  Have we given up on that idea.  Your post is sad.
And you should feel sad.
Link Posted: 3/13/2022 2:18:15 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 7empest:



Maybe we should also preemptively give Alaska back to Russia in case Putin wants it. Putin has nukes after all.

And also maybe give our nuclear arsenal to Russia because the USA just having nukes is a threat to Russia.

Or maybe we should just surrender to Russia now. Think about it in reverse just the fact that the US exists is a threat to Russia.


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Exactly!
Link Posted: 3/13/2022 2:18:59 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Kokodude:


The more I think about it the less I want the US to send anything to Ukraine.
It's an act of war.
Think about it in reverse, if Mexico and South America invaded us and Putin was sending Migs and thermobaric weapons to them.
We have no business getting involved in Ukraine.
Send aide for the refugees and call it a day.
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It's a proxy war like all of the other proxy wars. As long as russia is dealing with Ukraine they can't invade poland and start a world war. If we send Ukraine arms, we have a higher likelyhood the entire planet does not descend into war, shortages, famine, plague. Though the US will be effected the least by ww3, probably regardless of nukes. I doubt russia wants commit suicide by hitting usa with a nuke.
Link Posted: 3/13/2022 2:19:14 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mnd6563:
Latest US weapons supply train heading for Ukraine.  Russia declares it a serious and dangerous escalation!


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Originally Posted By GlockZen:


Ukraine.doesnt.need NATO. If Ukraine gets peace the west will rebuild it as Switzerland of the east. Russia has created a permanent enemy for the next 100 years.

Ukraine will work on a nuclear program, guarantee it.
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Originally Posted By GlockZen:
Originally Posted By SheltiePimp:
Positive signals on both sides coming out of negotiations.

Ukrainians are in the difficult position of not upsetting their donors and supporters by agreeing to Russian appeasement, Russia just needs an agreement that upholds their initial goals (no NATO in Ukraine).

Peace is the prize for Ukraine. For Russia, it's an agreement to not let Ukraine join NATO.




Ukraine.doesnt.need NATO. If Ukraine gets peace the west will rebuild it as Switzerland of the east. Russia has created a permanent enemy for the next 100 years.

Ukraine will work on a nuclear program, guarantee it.

They damn well better work on one. They’ve learned the world will only sit and watch them fight Russia. Sure we will throw some weapons at them but no one’s coming to help.
Link Posted: 3/13/2022 2:19:50 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Glock63:

Glad you aren't in charge.  Pure cowardice.
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Originally Posted By Kokodude:


The more I think about it the less I want the US to send anything to Ukraine.
It's an act of war.
Think about it in reverse, if Mexico and South America invaded us and Putin was sending Migs and thermobaric weapons to them.
We have no business getting involved in Ukraine.
Send aide for the refugees and call it a day.

Glad you aren't in charge.  Pure cowardice.


Also this!
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Turn CC on:
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Originally Posted By Kokodude:


The more I think about it the less I want the US to send anything to Ukraine.
It's an act of war.
Think about it in reverse, if Mexico and South America invaded us and Putin was sending Migs and thermobaric weapons to them.
We have no business getting involved in Ukraine.
Send aide for the refugees and call it a day.
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The issue is the next day. You fight them here to soften them up before they mass on the Baltic's and or Poland   . This is a lesson to Russia on how hard it will be to face the full force of the US. real politik style.
Link Posted: 3/13/2022 2:21:30 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 3one5:

What happen to America standing up for what is good and right?  Have we given up on that idea.  Your post is sad.
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Originally Posted By 3one5:
Originally Posted By Kokodude:


The more I think about it the less I want the US to send anything to Ukraine.
It's an act of war.
Think about it in reverse, if Mexico and South America invaded us and Putin was sending Migs and thermobaric weapons to them.
We have no business getting involved in Ukraine.
Send aide for the refugees and call it a day.

What happen to America standing up for what is good and right?  Have we given up on that idea.  Your post is sad.

Agreed, posts like his do not bode well for our society.  Standing up for good against evil should be a no brainer on a Pro-2A web forum, but yet here we are...
Link Posted: 3/13/2022 2:23:39 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu:

Give me a reason not to fly air patrol over western Ukraine and allow Polish SAM/Patriot batteries to do intercepts there. Russia doesn't want war with NATO, because there's a 99% chance of Russia being completely defeated and Putin and all his cronies ousted.
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The russian government is brainwashing their country to believe they are just trying to defend themselves against western powers. Many people in russia believe it, many others are afraid to say anything contrary to supporting the war. Many others who don't support the war will not be in russia anymore.
Link Posted: 3/13/2022 2:25:53 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Kokodude:


The more I think about it the less I want the US to send anything to Ukraine.
It's an act of war.
Think about it in reverse, if Mexico and South America invaded us and Putin was sending Migs and thermobaric weapons to them.
We have no business getting involved in Ukraine.
Send aide for the refugees and call it a day.
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Think about this. What if you were weak and shortsighted. then you would want to cut off aid to people who are in a fight for their lives.
Link Posted: 3/13/2022 2:27:04 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Capta:

Holy crap, was that thing hit by a 203mm or what?
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Originally Posted By M-1975:




Holy crap, was that thing hit by a 203mm or what?


Wow, looks like everything fell off
Link Posted: 3/13/2022 2:28:17 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Stretchman:
The modern battle field is changing at an alarming rate. Before long we'll be back in the trenches.
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Link Posted: 3/13/2022 2:28:40 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By M-1975:
Turn CC on:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdZVNU93Bvs
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I'd like to see a before photo of that town.
Link Posted: 3/13/2022 2:28:49 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mnd6563:

Agreed, posts like his do not bode well for our society.  Standing up for good against evil should be a no brainer on a Pro-2A web forum, but yet here we are...
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It is quite disturbing.  I know it means American lives at risk, that hits close to home with a son in the Air Force and another headed to the Army in May.  But this is America, a country founded on God's principles.  We do what's right now matter what the consequences.  It's sickening to see American's tucking their tails and not standing up for our Brothers and Sisters across the globe.
Link Posted: 3/13/2022 2:30:09 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By stone-age:


The russian government is brainwashing their country to believe they are just trying to defend themselves against western powers. Many people in russia believe it, many others are afraid to say anything contrary to supporting the war. Many others who don't support the war will not be in russia anymore.
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The ultra rich, those who were not under house arrest for Putin's protection, left last week. The intelligentsia and upper class are fleeing now. What will remain will be the poor, the ultra nationalists and those that have a vested interest in current system/regime.
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