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Link Posted: 3/28/2022 4:09:31 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By swede1986:


Joining the EU would mean that it becomes aligned with the West.

The Russians are just stalling.
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Originally Posted By swede1986:
Originally Posted By Chokey:




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Joining the EU would mean that it becomes aligned with the West.

The Russians are just stalling.


Hopefully they are desperate to get their stinking hands out of the trap that kills them. FRF and FVP let's go Brandon


Link Posted: 3/28/2022 4:11:21 PM EDT
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Is this real? Did Armenia actually transfer these 4 jets and pilots? To use against Ukraine??  Wow
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I doubt that’s true. They just lost a war against azeribaijan and they’re getting attacked againn
Link Posted: 3/28/2022 4:11:22 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Dracster:

And it was clearly labeled.


Poland should paint red stars on their MiGs. Then Ukraine can say they captured them.
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The same occurred to me but I didn’t want to fight him over it.
Link Posted: 3/28/2022 4:14:45 PM EDT
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VALENTYNA ROMANENKO - MONDAY, 28 MARCH 2022, 18:12

Russian President Vladimir Putin has promoted Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov to the military rank of Lieutenant General. Russian media report that Kadyrov is in Mariupol, which is besieged by Russian occupiers .

Source: Mohammed Daudov, head of the Chechen parliament, and Akhmed Dudayev, Chechnya's minister for national policy, foreign relations, press and information, as quoted by the Russian newspaper "RBC"

Details: Commenting on the awarding of the rank to Kadyrov, Daudov wrote on his social media site that "the Chechen leader's contribution to the victory over international terrorism in the Chechen Republic, and to the preservation of Russia's integrity cannot be overestimated."

Another video allegedly from Mariupol was posted on Kadyrov's Telegram channel on Monday.

"RBC" writes that the Chechen government confirmed to them that Kadyrov is in Mariupol, where, they say, "the principal outcome" is approaching.

The head of the Chechen government said that "in the next few days the city will be taken and cleared of nationalists and Nazis. And Kadyrov, according to Daudov, "came to Mariupol to talk, to raise morale, to provide additional technical equipment, and to adjust and refine the strategy for further actions in the next couple of days."

Background: Since the first days of the full-scale war, the Russian invaders have been levelling Mariupol with air raids. The invader keeps trying to take over the city, but is rebuffed by the Ukrainian resistance forces.
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Chechnya says Kadyrov is in Mariupol - sporting general's epaulettes from Putin
Link Posted: 3/28/2022 4:18:03 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By PurpleOtter:
VALENTYNA ROMANENKO - MONDAY, 28 MARCH 2022, 18:12

Russian President Vladimir Putin has promoted Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov to the military rank of Lieutenant General. Russian media report that Kadyrov is in Mariupol, which is besieged by Russian occupiers .

Source: Mohammed Daudov, head of the Chechen parliament, and Akhmed Dudayev, Chechnya's minister for national policy, foreign relations, press and information, as quoted by the Russian newspaper "RBC"

Details: Commenting on the awarding of the rank to Kadyrov, Daudov wrote on his social media site that "the Chechen leader's contribution to the victory over international terrorism in the Chechen Republic, and to the preservation of Russia's integrity cannot be overestimated."

Another video allegedly from Mariupol was posted on Kadyrov's Telegram channel on Monday.

"RBC" writes that the Chechen government confirmed to them that Kadyrov is in Mariupol, where, they say, "the principal outcome" is approaching.

The head of the Chechen government said that "in the next few days the city will be taken and cleared of nationalists and Nazis. And Kadyrov, according to Daudov, "came to Mariupol to talk, to raise morale, to provide additional technical equipment, and to adjust and refine the strategy for further actions in the next couple of days."

Background: Since the first days of the full-scale war, the Russian invaders have been levelling Mariupol with air raids. The invader keeps trying to take over the city, but is rebuffed by the Ukrainian resistance forces.
Chechnya says Kadyrov is in Mariupol - sporting general's epaulettes from Putin

Fucking Chechen dogs.
Link Posted: 3/28/2022 4:18:30 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By fadedsun:

I doubt that’s true. They just lost a war against azeribaijan and they’re getting attacked againn
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Originally Posted By AROKIE:



Is this real? Did Armenia actually transfer these 4 jets and pilots? To use against Ukraine??  Wow

I doubt that’s true. They just lost a war against azeribaijan and they’re getting attacked againn


According to wikipedia and the sources they linked, Armenia wasn't able to use the 4 jets in their last war against Azerbaijan due to a lack of compatible weapon systems or some nonsense.
Link Posted: 3/28/2022 4:18:38 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By swede1986:


Joining the EU would mean that it becomes aligned with the West.

The Russians are just stalling.
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Why stall?
Link Posted: 3/28/2022 4:18:56 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Element94:

Fucking Chechen dogs.
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This smells of desperation.
Link Posted: 3/28/2022 4:19:50 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By RickJames1999:

Indeed - CASH / TRADE in hand type of deal.  I'd give the US 1 MIG for every 2 F-16s.
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If our government is swapping 2 f16s for one mig29
I need to get me a mig29, I love f16s and a spare would be nice if I got clumsy
Link Posted: 3/28/2022 4:20:57 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Rebel31:
So Biden says its his personal feelings but its not a policy?


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He's used to this doubletalk. It's how, domestically, he got away for years with the whole "I'm Catholic and my private views on abortion are different than policy, and that's okay."

And while that is morally bullshit Democrats are willing to be cool with it. But it also doesn't play on the international stage to people where personal feelings are policy.
Link Posted: 3/28/2022 4:22:43 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By PurpleOtter:
OK, we're nuking the Russians! my morning coffee is on the line.

Coffee farmers face 'mega emergency' as fertilizer costs soar
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Originally Posted By PurpleOtter:
OK, we're nuking the Russians! my morning coffee is on the line.

In Nicaragua, coffee farmers are slashing fertilizer purchases just to make ends meet. In Guatemala, growers are diluting nutrients to stretch scarce supplies. And in Costa Rica, producers are betting that their soil holds enough lingering nutrients to carry them through the next planting season.

Small-scale farmers in some of the world's richest coffee-producing regions are struggling to find alternatives to counter soaring fertilizer costs that threaten their livelihoods, even considering desperate measures that could ultimately undermine a much-needed global rebound in supplies. Some are considering organic waste as a cheap substitute to nitrogen, phosphorous and potash fertilizers, even though such a move could significantly reduce yields.

Higher fertilizer prices add to the burden of rising costs of agricultural materials that are squeezing farmers as food inflation soars to new heights. Russia and neighboring Belarus are among the world's top suppliers of crop nutrients, and the Russian invasion of Ukraine has only added to the global run-up caused by supply snags and output woes.

Prices for arabica, the high-end variety favored by coffee chains, have changed little this year, lagging escalating fuel and fertilizer prices. The Green Markets North American Fertilizer Index has jumped 30% this year to a record, while an index for potash in Brazil has also hit new highs after surging 36% since January. With coffee prices lagging the costs of such key agricultural inputs, smaller coffee producers have become particularly vulnerable.

"The situation represents a mega emergency for our members," said Fatima Ismael, general manager of the Nicaraguan coffee cooperative Soppexcca in Jinotega.

The co-op has 650 small growers, with more than a third of them women  many are single mothers. Members typically buy about 800 tons of fertilizer each year, which helps them grow enough coffee beans to produce nearly 17,000 bags. A bag equals 132 pounds. Soppexcca now expects its nutrient purchases to be cut in half.

The co-op has a program to help women develop orchards as a supplement to feed their families and sell excess production at local markets, but that's at risk with costs for crop inputs and fuel more than doubling since last year.

"This is a big setback for our strategies," Ismael said. "Producers are very anxious, there's a lot of uncertainty."

Guatemalan growers are considering tapping organic compost materials  including chicken manure, household waste and coffee-cherry pulp  to cut back on fertilizers, according to Juan Luis Barrios, a grower and president of the country's National Coffee Association. Others are considering the use of faster-acting water soluble nutrients, which may have smaller economic benefits and outcomes that vary from grower to grower, he said.

Costa Rica's coffee industry is scrutinizing soil content in the main producing regions in hopes of reducing the need to apply nutrients on the ground, according to Xinia Chaves, executive director of the Costa Rican Coffee Institute. Even so, insufficient inputs will reduce some growers' yields and their competitiveness while raising the odds for plant disease that thrives in tropical climates, she said.

Soaring costs are inflicting "a mental and economic blow to everybody," said Rodrigo Vargas, president of Doka Estate in Costa Rica. His company needs 1,400 tons of fertilizer to produce about 40,000 bags of coffee each year. He mixes seven components together for his fertilizer, which he applies four times a year. The price for his formula has doubled since last year, so he's now considering a less complicated mix, even though he knows it could hurt yields.

While global coffee prices have increased 86% in the past two years, adverse weather and higher shipping costs have kept margins for many smaller farmers under pressure. Some international traders who normally ship in containers have turned to bulk vessels with the boxes hard to find.

The coffee market will start to panic by the third quarter, according to Christian Wolthers, who runs a Florida-based importer. Brazil, the top coffee grower and biggest importer of crop nutrients, only has enough fertilizer supply for three to six months, he said.

Global coffee production will fall 2.1% to 167.2 million bags for the current marketing year, pulled down by a 7.1% decline in arabica beans, according to the latest outlook from the International Coffee Organization.
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Great a coffee shortage.... a bunch of neurotic caffeine addicted soccer moms on the roads....it will be carnage
Link Posted: 3/28/2022 4:24:00 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Element94:

Fucking Chechen dogs.
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Yep. He needs to be targeted.
Link Posted: 3/28/2022 4:24:45 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN:

Why stall?
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Originally Posted By swede1986:


Joining the EU would mean that it becomes aligned with the West.

The Russians are just stalling.

Why stall?


To bring in more resources and reservists.

Putin will never accept an independent Ukraine.
Link Posted: 3/28/2022 4:25:23 PM EDT
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Buy more Lockheed Martin.

Canada announced plans Monday to buy 88 US-made F-35 stealth fighter jets to replace its aging fleet, and meet new threats including from Russia.

The F-35 "has proven to be a mature, capable and interoperable aircraft and that is why we are moving to the finalization phase of this procurement," Defense Minister Anita Anand told a joint news conference with Procurement Minister Filomena Tassi.

"Canada has one of the greatest air spaces in the world and we have to make sure that our next fleet of fighter jets is flexible, agile and able to meet a wide spectrum of threats," she said.

Lockheed's fifth-generation F-35 stealth jets are considered the most modern combat aircraft in the world, and their unique shape and coating make them harder to detect by enemy radar.

The new aircraft's central role will be to patrol North American air space with the US Air Force under NORAD.

But it could also be tasked with helping to bolster NATO defenses in Europe, or other overseas missions.

Foreign Minister Melanie Joly told reporters in Ottawa that the F-35 decision was "an important step in making sure that we increase our capacity on the military side."

"Why? Because... the world changed on February 24th," she said in reference to the start of Russia-Ukraine conflict.

Top bidder Lockheed Martin beat out Saab's Gripen, after Boeing's Superhornet was excluded from the running, and an Airbus-led consortium and France's Dassault Aviation withdrew their Typhoon and Rafale fighters, respectively, from the competition.

Ottawa had earmarked Can$19 billion (US$15 billion) for the purchase six years ago, and Tassi said negotiations with Lockheed Martin would now proceed to finalize the contract within the next seven months.

She said she expects "delivery of the aircraft as early as 2025."

Canada spent two decades helping to develop the stealth fighter with the United States and its allies.

But when Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's Liberals swept to power in 2015 he scrapped three previous administrations' plans to purchase the state-of-the-art F-35 to replace its aging F-18 fleet, calling it too expensive.

Prior to Monday, Canada was the only nation in the partnership not yet committed to buying the F-35s.

This investment in Canada's air force, according to a government statement, will be the most significant in more than 30 years.

It follows Germany's announcement mid-March to buy 35 F-35s as part of a multi-billion-euro push to modernize its armed forces in response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine, and Finland's order of 64 stealth fighters in December after seeing a spike in incursions into its airspace by Russian jets in recent years.

Airbus said when it withdrew from the Canadian competition in 2019 that NORAD security requirements were too expensive, while sources told AFP that Dassault Aviation was unable to meet technical requirements tied to Canada's membership in the Five Eyes intelligence sharing group of nations.

The Five Eyes group is comprised of Canada, the United States, Britain, Australia and New Zealand.

Ottawa had planned to buy 18 new Boeing Super Hornets as a stopgap while it relaunched the procurement competition, but that deal fell apart over a trade dispute.

Boeing had filed a trade complaint against Canada's Bombardier in an effort to keep Bombardier's new CSeries jetliners out of the US market, resulting in 300 percent duties being slapped on the planes.

Bombardier eventually sold a majority stake in the new plane to Airbus.

And Canada bought 18 used Australian F-18 jets to fill an air force interim capability gap. These were similar to its own F-18s, which were first deployed in 1983.
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Link Posted: 3/28/2022 4:27:28 PM EDT
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Yep. He needs to be targeted.
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I would think he already is. He would be a good prize.
Link Posted: 3/28/2022 4:28:45 PM EDT
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Tanks didn't work out so good, so Russia is going full ISIS technical brigade
This Looks Like A Terrible Idea #shorts

Link Posted: 3/28/2022 4:29:01 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By KaerMorhenResident:
Biden Administration is pushing for Ukraine to make a deal with Russia.

That deal would likely involve Ukraine seceding the eastern sliver of the Donbass including Mariupol and recognizing the sovereignty of those separatist regions.  It would also more likely involve Ukraine pledging not to join NATO (although there could be a sunset on that pledge).  

Frankly, I think that's where this situation is heading anyways. The only question is how many people need to die before it gets there.   However, a cease fire and negotiated peace does NOT serve the best interests of the USA in the long term, because ideally the Russians would be bleed white for a number of months more.  

I think though that the Biden Administration sees the writing on the wall.  We and the rest of the world will have serious agricultural issues this year if the Russian sanctions are kept in place.  The Democrats will also be forced to drill for domestic oil and natural gas if the Russian sanctions are kept in place.  Food and gas shortages would be catastrophic for the Democrats in the midterms and even in 2024 if the Ukraine conflict stretches out into 2023, which it very well might.  

This disappointing and unfortunate fiasco though has strengthened the GOP's political position. The Democrats 11  seat majority in the House and the 1 seat majority in the Senate is absolutely certain to be lost in the midterms.  If the GOP has a solid united message of hammering the Biden Administration on Gas and Food costs they may even be able to get a super majority in the Senate.
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this highlights my concern that the biggest threat to Ukraine is actually at the negotiating table.
They are beating the military that attacked them, or at least, not getting defeated - and that's a victory but if the victory is given away at negotiations, that would really suck.


There is no way they can give up Mariupol.

Link Posted: 3/28/2022 4:29:10 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 2tired2run:



Great a coffee shortage.... a bunch of neurotic caffeine addicted soccer moms on the roads....it will be carnage
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None of the soccermoms are going to be as bad as me, and stock brokers. Those guys are already on tilt even when they do get their coffee.
Link Posted: 3/28/2022 4:33:01 PM EDT
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None of the soccermoms are going to be as bad as me, and stock brokers. Those guys are already on tilt even when they do get their coffee.
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Originally Posted By 2tired2run:



Great a coffee shortage.... a bunch of neurotic caffeine addicted soccer moms on the roads....it will be carnage


None of the soccermoms are going to be as bad as me, and stock brokers. Those guys are already on tilt even when they do get their coffee.

They'll just pop caffeine pills and resort to coke again, like the 80s.
Link Posted: 3/28/2022 4:34:18 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TripleC:

Just saw on the chans a video of guys in blue armbands stabbing a Russian soldier in the eyes.


Lots of bad shit going on.
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Just looked that up. Regret it.
Link Posted: 3/28/2022 4:34:48 PM EDT
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None of the soccermoms are going to be as bad as me, and stock brokers. Those guys are already on tilt even when they do get their coffee.
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Originally Posted By 2tired2run:



Great a coffee shortage.... a bunch of neurotic caffeine addicted soccer moms on the roads....it will be carnage


None of the soccermoms are going to be as bad as me, and stock brokers. Those guys are already on tilt even when they do get their coffee.


Good news is, when the market crashes, they won't be driving much.  Might be airborne hazards in cities though.
Link Posted: 3/28/2022 4:35:56 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Eight_Ring:
Russian moves in Ukraine seem bafflingly short-sighted

How could the Russians--Putin in particular--fail to calculate the inevitable downstream implications of their actions?  It makes no sense--almost--unless something is missing from the analysis.

Here is an intelligence analyst who asserts that Russia (for some reason) is fighting in Ukraine with its fingers, and not a fist.  

He seems to be fluent with Russian military capabilities and inventories, most especially their nuclear weapons, which is his area of expertise.

I can't vouch for his analysis--but he seems to know what he is talking about, and his credentials seem strong.

ARFCOM has assured me that EMP is a non-issue, but he seems to be perfectly familiar with the technical specs for military-grade EMP hardening, and asserts that it is not good enough to prevent incapacitation by Russian EMP weapons.  But perhaps ARFCOM knows better?

Lastly, he cites cultural inadequacies in the way the West perceives the world so as to leave it blind to the Russian pragmatic world view's intentions.

Anyway--it is food for thought.

Hopefully he is completely wrong.  

If not, we'll probably know in the next couple weeks.


The Nuclear 9/11 In Our Future...

Hour-long Interview:

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It's a good video


Link Posted: 3/28/2022 4:36:10 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By swede1986:


To bring in more resources and reservists.

Putin will never accept an independent Ukraine.
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Bringing in more troops will just strain the logistics line even more.
Link Posted: 3/28/2022 4:37:08 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By HiramRanger:


Sounds like we need to hand over some F-22s and F-35s with "specially trained pilots" to Ukraine.

Never let your enemy dictate the terms of your actions.
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I'm thinking peacekeeping apaches and shit.
Link Posted: 3/28/2022 4:38:15 PM EDT
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Buy more Lockheed Martin.

Canada To Buy 88 F-35 Fighter Jets From Lockheed Martin
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Can we trust another tyrant?
Link Posted: 3/28/2022 4:40:12 PM EDT
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VALENTYNA ROMANENKO - MONDAY, 28 MARCH 2022, 18:12

Russian President Vladimir Putin has promoted Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov to the military rank of Lieutenant General. Russian media report that Kadyrov is in Mariupol, which is besieged by Russian occupiers .

Source: Mohammed Daudov, head of the Chechen parliament, and Akhmed Dudayev, Chechnya's minister for national policy, foreign relations, press and information, as quoted by the Russian newspaper "RBC"

Details: Commenting on the awarding of the rank to Kadyrov, Daudov wrote on his social media site that "the Chechen leader's contribution to the victory over international terrorism in the Chechen Republic, and to the preservation of Russia's integrity cannot be overestimated."

Another video allegedly from Mariupol was posted on Kadyrov's Telegram channel on Monday.

"RBC" writes that the Chechen government confirmed to them that Kadyrov is in Mariupol, where, they say, "the principal outcome" is approaching.

The head of the Chechen government said that "in the next few days the city will be taken and cleared of nationalists and Nazis. And Kadyrov, according to Daudov, "came to Mariupol to talk, to raise morale, to provide additional technical equipment, and to adjust and refine the strategy for further actions in the next couple of days."

Background: Since the first days of the full-scale war, the Russian invaders have been levelling Mariupol with air raids. The invader keeps trying to take over the city, but is rebuffed by the Ukrainian resistance forces.
Chechnya says Kadyrov is in Mariupol - sporting general's epaulettes from Putin


He is a dead man now, lol. Russian generals don't survive at the front for long.
Link Posted: 3/28/2022 4:41:27 PM EDT
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He is a dead man now, lol. Russian generals don't survive at the front for long.
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"In the Chernihiv region, the Russian occupiers lost up to 22 people after fighting with the Ukrainian military.

"Today, 2 Tiger armored vehicles, a Ural truck with a BC and a T-72 tank were sent along a well-known route. Eight enemy vehicles were also damaged and a Ural truck with a dry ration was seized," the statement said. message from the Operational Command "North"."


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He's used to this doubletalk. It's how, domestically, he got away for years with the whole "I'm Catholic and my private views on abortion are different than policy, and that's okay."

And while that is morally bullshit Democrats are willing to be cool with it. But it also doesn't play on the international stage to people where personal feelings are policy.
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Originally Posted By Rebel31:
So Biden says its his personal feelings but its not a policy?




He's used to this doubletalk. It's how, domestically, he got away for years with the whole "I'm Catholic and my private views on abortion are different than policy, and that's okay."

And while that is morally bullshit Democrats are willing to be cool with it. But it also doesn't play on the international stage to people where personal feelings are policy.

He's too stupid to keep his personal feelings from coming out of his mouth. His comments are being played all over the world in and not exactly being framed in our best interest in presenting a unified message. He's also giving political ammunition to Putin and Russian media that will get played on repeat.
Link Posted: 3/28/2022 4:46:08 PM EDT
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It will kill a Russian ship dead as a CAPTOR mine.
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Yep and just having it known they are in the water will keep ships out of the area.
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They'll just pop caffeine pills and resort to coke again, like the 80s.
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I've got caffeine pills in my medicine cabinet right now.
Link Posted: 3/28/2022 4:49:51 PM EDT
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Apparently naval minds are found floating ever so often.  

Interesting thing I was told by a Navy JAG at the OPNAV that just finding or striking a mine a sea may not be an act of war.
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Refurbishing an 80 year old mine for actual use is crazy. Lol didn't know they still used ww2 era mines.



Apparently naval minds are found floating ever so often.  

Interesting thing I was told by a Navy JAG at the OPNAV that just finding or striking a mine a sea may not be an act of war.
We had one here in the PNW a few years back.

https://komonews.com/news/local/unexploded-ordinance-spotted-floating-in-port-orchard-bay

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Originally Posted By heavily_armed:

Just looked that up. Regret it.
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I understand they are out of their minds with grief and rage. But they should stop that shit, they damned well should stop recording it.
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Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu:

There is no use in "would have/could have" discussion. It's just as easy looking at the words that have come out of Moscow to say that the probably would have invaded anyway, because they have to crush those Nazis. You don't stage the majority of your active duty forces for an invasion just for show.

I would also not bet on "never be reunited" either. If Russia's military continues to be chewed up and rendered unfit/unable to be supplied, There's no telling how far a fully-mobilized and western-equipped Ukraine could go. I hope they fully restore the borders that Russia promised to respect in the Budapest Memo, by force if need be.
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Originally Posted By rca2222:
I'm not saying that Ukraine "should have" given Russia anything, and I stated that clearly in the original post. What I am saying is that Russia would probably not have invaded had their been concessions, such as Crimea and parts of the Donbas region. Those places will never be reunited with Ukraine, and in Crimea it would seem that the locals don't want to be. It isn't fair, or just, but it's the reality. Those disputed borders are also what prevent Ukraine from joining NATO.

There is no use in "would have/could have" discussion. It's just as easy looking at the words that have come out of Moscow to say that the probably would have invaded anyway, because they have to crush those Nazis. You don't stage the majority of your active duty forces for an invasion just for show.

I would also not bet on "never be reunited" either. If Russia's military continues to be chewed up and rendered unfit/unable to be supplied, There's no telling how far a fully-mobilized and western-equipped Ukraine could go. I hope they fully restore the borders that Russia promised to respect in the Budapest Memo, by force if need be.

You have to consider what the people in those regions want, and also the level of insurgency there might be from those that are pro-Russian. It seems like there are a lot of pro-Russian people, particularly in Crimea. I don't know to what degree in each place, but I don't think that it will be as simplistic as "freeing" those people from the Russians.


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Nevermind
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Originally Posted By Mal_means_bad:
Tanks didn't work out so good, so Russia is going full ISIS technical brigade
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It looks like Russia borrowed all of ISIS’s pickups.
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Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN:

He lost me at using hypersonic missiles. It was proven false like 12 hours after it came out
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Has it?
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If accurate, Chernihiv is close to getting some relief.   https://t.me/OSINTUKRAINE/3903

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Originally Posted By Chisum:


Can we trust another tyrant?
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Why are we selling advanced jets to a hostile enemy country?
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Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN:

He lost me at using hypersonic missiles. It was proven false like 12 hours after it came out
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Critical thinking skills on this board are in very, very low supply.

I see it more and more every day, how those I grew looking up at rely just on talking points from whatever the bobble-head of the minute is, as long as it confirms their views, whatever they are.

I grew up hearing my parents & their friends talking about Ruby Ridge, Waco, Clinton's escapades, etc. All of those things are evil, wrong and terrible, yet it can get you to a mental point where you only see the bad/awful in life, and you're constantly waiting for 'the next bad thing to come down the pipe' that you never succeed at anything in life. It's truly an awful place to be.
Link Posted: 3/28/2022 5:04:40 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN:

He lost me at using hypersonic missiles. It was proven false like 12 hours after it came out
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Originally Posted By Eight_Ring:
Russian moves in Ukraine seem bafflingly short-sighted

How could the Russians--Putin in particular--fail to calculate the inevitable downstream implications of their actions?  It makes no sense--almost--unless something is missing from the analysis.

Here is an intelligence analyst who asserts that Russia (for some reason) is fighting in Ukraine with its fingers, and not a fist.  

He seems to be fluent with Russian military capabilities and inventories, most especially their nuclear weapons, which is his area of expertise.

I can't vouch for his analysis--but he seems to know what he is talking about, and his credentials seem strong.

ARFCOM has assured me that EMP is a non-issue, but he seems to be perfectly familiar with the technical specs for military-grade EMP hardening, and asserts that it is not good enough to prevent incapacitation by Russian EMP weapons.  But perhaps ARFCOM knows better?

Lastly, he cites cultural inadequacies in the way the West perceives the world so as to leave it blind to the Russian pragmatic world view's intentions.

Anyway--it is food for thought.

Hopefully he is completely wrong.  

If not, we'll probably know in the next couple weeks.


The Nuclear 9/11 In Our Future...

Hour-long Interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuIVYKReWPA

He lost me at using hypersonic missiles. It was proven false like 12 hours after it came out


Russia said they used Kinzal
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/us-official-confirms-russia-used-at-least-1-hypersonic-missile/
Looks like US is confirming.

... also one of Biden's long rambles included a mention
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Originally Posted By AeroE:
Our next investment should be in intuitive controls and operation of man carried Javelins and Stingers and similar weapons that require very short familiarization to deploy, and high energy electromagnetic and LASER weapons for countering small quadcopters; lasing the cameras is sufficient for a while.


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CUAS has been a high priority within DOD for the last 5-6 years.
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Originally Posted By rca2222:

You have to consider what the people in those regions want, and also the level of insurgency there might be from those that are pro-Russian. It seems like there are a lot of pro-Russian people, particularly in Crimea. I don't know to what degree in each place, but I don't think that it will be as simplistic as "freeing" those people from the Russians.

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This is exactly what the Russian propaganda campaign and "operations other than war" were designed to convince you of. It's all manufactured; the "political parties" the "referendums", all of it.

And besides, do you think the Russian speaking, ethnically Russian people in Donetsk and Luhansk are thrilled with their new management?
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Originally Posted By ad_nauseam:
Right. They will never consent to giving up the coast.  It's would be economic suicide.

BTW, the bridge over the Kertch straight was an act of war in 2019, as it does not allow many ships to pass through and is easily blocked. Ships specifically destined for Mariupol.
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Originally Posted By ad_nauseam:
Right. They will never consent to giving up the coast.  It's would be economic suicide.

BTW, the bridge over the Kertch straight was an act of war in 2019, as it does not allow many ships to pass through and is easily blocked. Ships specifically destined for Mariupol.
I did not know about this.
On 26 October 2018 The Globe and Mail, citing Ukrainian sources, reported that the bridge had reduced Ukrainian shipping from its Sea of Azov ports by about 25%
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Originally Posted By stone-age:


I've got caffeine pills in my medicine cabinet right now.
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Originally Posted By Dracster:

They'll just pop caffeine pills and resort to coke again, like the 80s.


I've got caffeine pills in my medicine cabinet right now.
Caffeine pills are produced from the residual when making decaffeinated coffee

Now what?
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