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Originally Posted By lorazepam: Not really. His goal is to eliminate Ukraine, and make it russia. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By rca2222: I'm not saying that Ukraine "should have" given Russia anything, and I stated that clearly in the original post. What I am saying is that Russia would probably not have invaded had their been concessions, such as Crimea and parts of the Donbas region. Those places will never be reunited with Ukraine, and in Crimea it would seem that the locals don't want to be. It isn't fair, or just, but it's the reality. Those disputed borders are also what prevent Ukraine from joining NATO. Not really. His goal is to eliminate Ukraine, and make it russia. My goal is to fuck Jennifer Anniston, but sadly I know that it just ain't going to happen. His goal was to absorb Ukraine, but he knows perfectly well now, and most likely before, that it will never happen. The question is what he thinks he can still get now. |
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last i heard, the russians are being encircled, surrounded and cutoff in the Kyiv suburbs. Mariupol was also taken back by Ukrainians. Only a matter of time before Russia loses more territory
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Originally Posted By planemaker: The Ukrainians want the Russians out of their country, pure and simple. And, they're willing to fight to make that happen. Nobody gives a damn about Putin and face-saving. What matters is booting Russia back to its own borders and removing them as a world power. The way this conflict ends is in Russia's defeat. This needs to happen now instead of in the future when he rebuilds and threatens Poland next time or the Baltics. There is no escaping WW3 unless Russia is defeated now via conventional warfare. We and NATO are engaged in the battle whether we like it or not. It just so happens we're letting the Ukrainians take the fight to the Russians instead of Poland and the Baltic countries having to fight on theirs. View Quote I couldn't agree more. Hopefully NATO countries and others are talking behind the scenes to push Russia back to Russia. But I don't believe we the USA should carry the burden. Let Europe make a stand. |
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Originally Posted By rca2222:
You have to consider what the people in those regions want, and also the level of insurgency there might be from those that are pro-Russian. It seems like there are a lot of pro-Russian people, particularly in Crimea. I don't know to what degree in each place, but I don't think that it will be as simplistic as "freeing" those people from the Russians. View Quote The truth is, we have no idea what the residents want, or even who they are anymore. So many have been driven out by the violence. Ukraine is big enough that some form of federalism would probably be smart for them. But Russia has really shown how awful they are, so native support may have dropped significantly. We can't know until peace is restored. Which is one more reason to restore Ukraine's original borders. |
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Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: https://rightedition.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/pjw-youtube-im-done.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: Originally Posted By Shenanigunz:
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Originally Posted By weptek911: Why are we selling advanced jets to a hostile enemy country? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By weptek911: Originally Posted By Chisum: Can we trust another tyrant? Why are we selling advanced jets to a hostile enemy country? ...from which we import more than half our oil... |
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Originally Posted By hodgepodge: More like where we import 1/10 of what we do from Canada. Or basically the same amount we used to import from Russia. Edit, nevermind missed the tongue in cheek claiming Canada is the enemy. View Quote Of the 7.86 million barrels per day the U.S. imported in 2020, the majority came from its North American neighbors: Canada, with 4.13 million barrels (52.5%), and Mexico, with 750,000 (9.6%). But imports coming from outside North America are significant. Russia, with 540,000 barrels a day (6.6%), was the top non-continental contributor. Roughly 11% of the imports came collectively from OPEC countries, including 520,000 from Saudi Arabia. Two year old info but I assume it couldn't have changed that much in so little time? |
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Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: "Disputed borders" is an interesting way of describing a previous Russian invasion. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: Originally Posted By rca2222: Originally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By rca2222: If it was nonsense, then why does Russia seem to be signaling those very goals now? I don't disagree that Putin would have loved to take over Ukraine or make it a vassal state, but it was clear long before the tanks rolled that it wasn't going to happen. He knew what he was up against as soon as the international reaction materialized. If he was given a way out then he would have taken it, in my opinion. Your location doesn't make your opinions universally unimpeachable. You would be well served by a bit of humility. What way out should he be given? Sovereign territory of another nation as a reward for attacking them and then leaving? Fuck me. I'm not saying that Ukraine "should have" given Russia anything, and I stated that clearly in the original post. What I am saying is that Russia would probably not have invaded had their been concessions, such as Crimea and parts of the Donbas region. Those places will never be reunited with Ukraine, and in Crimea it would seem that the locals don't want to be. It isn't fair, or just, but it's the reality. Those disputed borders are also what prevent Ukraine from joining NATO. "Disputed borders" is an interesting way of describing a previous Russian invasion. It's like a meth head squats in your garage, invites his crack-ho's to join him,and is insisting on using the bathroom in the house. Then demands that you don't get a dog or gun to protect your house as they're pounding on the doors. |
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Originally Posted By iggy1337: Can't read crazy letters but any availeble in the Netherlands for some rascally trolling fun? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By iggy1337: Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: Originally Posted By Shenanigunz:
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All You Need To Know About The Starstreak Missiles Now In The Hands Of Ukrainian Troops
"The U.K. Ministry of Defense has confirmed that Ukraine is ready to use the high-velocity missiles in combat against Russian aircraft." "Regardless, the Starstreak has 'end-game' speed in excess of typical MANPADS, like Russia's prolific Strela family or the American FIM-92 Stinger, the latter of which has a typical maximum speed of around Mach 2.2. Once they have penetrated the target, the darts also explode, each one carrying a fragmentation warhead. This approach is also said to reduce the risk of collateral damage, a consideration when using the weapon against ground targets. As mentioned above, the types of targets the Starstreak was designed to defeat include lower-flying fixed-wing fighters and late unmasking helicopter targets pop-up threats that offer little time to successfully engage. At the same time, the missile was tailored to have a longer range than comparable MANPADS, being able to hit targets out to 3.4 miles or more, a little longer than the 3 miles for the Stinger. The British Army credits the Starstreak with an engagement ceiling of 3,280 feet." STARStreak – the fastest missile in its class in the world |
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Originally Posted By PurpleOtter: Buy more Lockheed Martin. Canada To Buy 88 F-35 Fighter Jets From Lockheed Martin View Quote I wouldn’t sell their government rubber dog shit, much less jets. |
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"I have guns to prevent tyrannical genocide. Anyone who tells me to just stop having guns is telling me they favor genocide. It really is that simple. You'll have to forgive me if I won't be quiet about it. " --memphisliving
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Originally Posted By Rebel31: So Biden says its his personal feelings but its not a policy?
View Quote That failure is a clear failure of leadership from any part of the government. |
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Originally Posted By iggy1337: Can't read crazy letters but any availeble in the Netherlands for some rascally trolling fun? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By iggy1337: Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: Originally Posted By Shenanigunz:
https://rightedition.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/pjw-youtube-im-done.jpg Can't read crazy letters but any availeble in the Netherlands for some rascally trolling fun? When I was young, I could read Ukrainian Cyrillic almost as fast as English but it would take me some time to go over that big list. You can copy and paste it into a translator program. |
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Patrick Henry is the greatest Founding Father because without him there would be no Bill of Rights!
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Originally Posted By PurpleOtter: Buy more Lockheed Martin. Canada To Buy 88 F-35 Fighter Jets From Lockheed Martin View Quote Yeah that’s great. Right up until Castro’s son either hands one over to China or Russia or allows them access to them so they can analyze and then monitor or hack the F35’s systems |
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Originally Posted By Brok3n: All You Need To Know About The Starstreak Missiles Now In The Hands Of Ukrainian Troops "The U.K. Ministry of Defense has confirmed that Ukraine is ready to use the high-velocity missiles in combat against Russian aircraft." "Regardless, the Starstreak has 'end-game' speed in excess of typical MANPADS, like Russia's prolific Strela family or the American FIM-92 Stinger, the latter of which has a typical maximum speed of around Mach 2.2. Once they have penetrated the target, the darts also explode, each one carrying a fragmentation warhead. This approach is also said to reduce the risk of collateral damage, a consideration when using the weapon against ground targets. As mentioned above, the types of targets the Starstreak was designed to defeat include lower-flying fixed-wing fighters and late unmasking helicopter targets pop-up threats that offer little time to successfully engage. At the same time, the missile was tailored to have a longer range than comparable MANPADS, being able to hit targets out to 3.4 miles or more, a little longer than the 3 miles for the Stinger. The British Army credits the Starstreak with an engagement ceiling of 3,280 feet." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7k0XonWAG4 View Quote Those are impressive (watched videos about them a couple of weeks ago)- how many did Ukraine get? |
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Originally Posted By sircam671: ...from which we import more than half our oil... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By sircam671: Originally Posted By weptek911: Originally Posted By Chisum: Can we trust another tyrant? Why are we selling advanced jets to a hostile enemy country? ...from which we import more than half our oil... Half of the oil we import comes from Canada, but that isn't half of the oil we use. |
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Originally Posted By Chaingun: Caffeine pills are produced from the residual when making decaffeinated coffee Now what? View Quote Shit. Really? Shit. Well, by the end of the week my coffee pile is going to be pretty impressive. I believe I have about 12 cans right now. I buy when it is on sale, I buy a lot. Week after that my caffeine pill pile will be impressive. After I run out of those? Well, shit. Then I learn how to make caffeine? I don't know. Maybe the results of the russian invasion will be easing up by then. This russian invasion is going to have nasty far reaching consequences for the entire world. |
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(CNN)The Defense Department plans to accelerate production of Stinger anti-aircraft missiles and Javelin anti-tank missiles so it can refill its own depleted stocks as it continues to send the vital systems to Ukrainian forces fighting the Russian invasion, according to defense officials. Ukraine wants 500 Javelin anti-tank missiles and 500 Stinger anti-aircraft missiles delivered from the US daily, according to a recent military assistance wish list. CNN viewed the document that details the items Ukraine believes it needs from the US. By March 7, less than two weeks into Russia's invasion of Ukraine, the US and other NATO members had sent about 17,000 anti-tank missiles and 2,000 anti-aircraft missiles to Ukraine. Since then, that number has certainly increased but an update has not been made public. On March 16, the White House announced an $800 million assistance package that included 800 additional Stinger anti-aircraft systems and 2,000 Javelin anti-tank missiles systems. The Stinger production line had shut down but was restarted to fulfill a foreign sales order. Now, in order to keep it open efficiently, several options to increase production capacity and decrease production timelines are being considered in consultation with prime contractor Raytheon, according to Jessica Maxwell, a Pentagon spokeswoman. Options include adding workers to the production lines, manufacturing new components to replace obsolete parts and purchasing additional tooling or test equipment for the production line, according to Maxwell. Currently it takes about 18 to 24 months to manufacture a production lot of Stinger missiles, depending on the size of the lot. The Pentagon does not disclose specific inventory levels for munitions due to the sensitivity of the issue, but it maintains levels for what may be needed in conflict, under Defense Department policy. There is an ongoing $320 million foreign sales production contract awarded to Raytheon. Prior to that award, production had ceased. The Javelin anti-tank system is in a full production mode, according to the Pentagon. However, the Pentagon is looking at trying to ramp up production. Lockheed Martin, the Javelin manufacturer, "has the capacity to meet increased demand for the foreseeable future," a company spokeswoman said in a statement. Javelin anti-tank systems can be produced at a rate of more than 6,000 a year as of 2022, according to Department of Defense budget documents. They have been made in a joint venture of Raytheon/Lockheed Martin Javelin Joint Venture in Orlando and in Tucson, Arizona, according to the company and Department of Defense documents. Stinger anti-aircraft missiles are produced by Raytheon in Tucson. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By stone-age: Shit. Really? Shit. Well, by the end of the week my coffee pile is going to be pretty impressive. I believe I have about 12 cans right now. I buy when it is on sale, I buy a lot. Week after that my caffeine pill pile will be impressive. After I run out of those? Well, shit. Then I learn how to make caffeine? I don't know. Maybe the results of the russian invasion will be easing up by then. This russian invasion is going to have nasty far reaching consequences for the entire world. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By Chaingun: Caffeine pills are produced from the residual when making decaffeinated coffee Now what? Shit. Really? Shit. Well, by the end of the week my coffee pile is going to be pretty impressive. I believe I have about 12 cans right now. I buy when it is on sale, I buy a lot. Week after that my caffeine pill pile will be impressive. After I run out of those? Well, shit. Then I learn how to make caffeine? I don't know. Maybe the results of the russian invasion will be easing up by then. This russian invasion is going to have nasty far reaching consequences for the entire world. Hey man- when the day is done, and you wanna ride on…. hey with our leaky borders that availability will be uninterrupted! |
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Originally Posted By AeroE: Policy is precisely what that addled dipshit should be discussing. In clear unambiguous language that needs no interpretation or reading tea leaves. That failure is a clear failure of leadership from any part of the government. View Quote Exactly. The president is supposed to be the voice of the nation. Not talking about his feelings while we are on the edge of trading nukes. Fucking idiot. If this is part of planned tactics, then fine. But I think he just opens his mouth and says stuff. |
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Originally Posted By GTLandser: This is exactly what the Russian propaganda campaign and "operations other than war" were designed to convince you of. It's all manufactured; the "political parties" the "referendums", all of it. And besides, do you think the Russian speaking, ethnically Russian people in Donetsk and Luhansk are thrilled with their new management? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By GTLandser: Originally Posted By rca2222: You have to consider what the people in those regions want, and also the level of insurgency there might be from those that are pro-Russian. It seems like there are a lot of pro-Russian people, particularly in Crimea. I don't know to what degree in each place, but I don't think that it will be as simplistic as "freeing" those people from the Russians. This is exactly what the Russian propaganda campaign and "operations other than war" were designed to convince you of. It's all manufactured; the "political parties" the "referendums", all of it. And besides, do you think the Russian speaking, ethnically Russian people in Donetsk and Luhansk are thrilled with their new management? I said that I don't know to what degree, but it's a safe bet that there are a percentage pro-Russian people there, particularly in Crimea. Maybe one of our Ukrainian members could weigh in on the topic. There's lots of contradictory information on the subject so it's foolish for us to say that it's absolutely one way or the other. All I'm saying is that it's unlikely to be as cut and dried as some here would think in terms of local popular support. |
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Originally Posted By MattyCR: Open it with Google Chrome and it will auto translate it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By MattyCR: Originally Posted By iggy1337: Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: Originally Posted By Shenanigunz:
https://rightedition.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/pjw-youtube-im-done.jpg Can't read crazy letters but any availeble in the Netherlands for some rascally trolling fun? Open it with Google Chrome and it will auto translate it. Click the menu tab on website it has English option built in |
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Originally Posted By MiloBloom: It's like a meth head squats in your garage, invites his crack-ho's to join him,and is insisting on using the bathroom in the house. Then demands that you don't get a dog or gun to protect your house as they're pounding on the doors. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By MiloBloom: Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: Originally Posted By rca2222: Originally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By rca2222: If it was nonsense, then why does Russia seem to be signaling those very goals now? I don't disagree that Putin would have loved to take over Ukraine or make it a vassal state, but it was clear long before the tanks rolled that it wasn't going to happen. He knew what he was up against as soon as the international reaction materialized. If he was given a way out then he would have taken it, in my opinion. Your location doesn't make your opinions universally unimpeachable. You would be well served by a bit of humility. What way out should he be given? Sovereign territory of another nation as a reward for attacking them and then leaving? Fuck me. I'm not saying that Ukraine "should have" given Russia anything, and I stated that clearly in the original post. What I am saying is that Russia would probably not have invaded had their been concessions, such as Crimea and parts of the Donbas region. Those places will never be reunited with Ukraine, and in Crimea it would seem that the locals don't want to be. It isn't fair, or just, but it's the reality. Those disputed borders are also what prevent Ukraine from joining NATO. "Disputed borders" is an interesting way of describing a previous Russian invasion. It's like a meth head squats in your garage, invites his crack-ho's to join him,and is insisting on using the bathroom in the house. Then demands that you don't get a dog or gun to protect your house as they're pounding on the doors. Like I previously replied, it is the term used by NATO. Having disputed borders disqualifies Ukraine from joining. |
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Originally Posted By rca2222: Like I previously replied, it is the term used by NATO. Having disputed borders disqualifies Ukraine from joining. View Quote In practice but there’s nothing in the charter to codify that position. The “border incursion” description was the weak name given by a previous administration to water down the invasion of a sovereign country by a foreign military. |
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A Ukrainian fighter in Mariupol fires an AT weapon directly into the turret of a Russian tank
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Originally Posted By PurpleOtter: Pentagon will accelerate production of missiles Ukraine has requested to refill US stockpiles View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By PurpleOtter: (CNN)The Defense Department plans to accelerate production of Stinger anti-aircraft missiles and Javelin anti-tank missiles so it can refill its own depleted stocks as it continues to send the vital systems to Ukrainian forces fighting the Russian invasion, according to defense officials. Ukraine wants 500 Javelin anti-tank missiles and 500 Stinger anti-aircraft missiles delivered from the US daily, according to a recent military assistance wish list. CNN viewed the document that details the items Ukraine believes it needs from the US. By March 7, less than two weeks into Russia's invasion of Ukraine, the US and other NATO members had sent about 17,000 anti-tank missiles and 2,000 anti-aircraft missiles to Ukraine. Since then, that number has certainly increased but an update has not been made public. On March 16, the White House announced an $800 million assistance package that included 800 additional Stinger anti-aircraft systems and 2,000 Javelin anti-tank missiles systems. The Stinger production line had shut down but was restarted to fulfill a foreign sales order. Now, in order to keep it open efficiently, several options to increase production capacity and decrease production timelines are being considered in consultation with prime contractor Raytheon, according to Jessica Maxwell, a Pentagon spokeswoman. Options include adding workers to the production lines, manufacturing new components to replace obsolete parts and purchasing additional tooling or test equipment for the production line, according to Maxwell. Currently it takes about 18 to 24 months to manufacture a production lot of Stinger missiles, depending on the size of the lot. The Pentagon does not disclose specific inventory levels for munitions due to the sensitivity of the issue, but it maintains levels for what may be needed in conflict, under Defense Department policy. There is an ongoing $320 million foreign sales production contract awarded to Raytheon. Prior to that award, production had ceased. The Javelin anti-tank system is in a full production mode, according to the Pentagon. However, the Pentagon is looking at trying to ramp up production. Lockheed Martin, the Javelin manufacturer, "has the capacity to meet increased demand for the foreseeable future," a company spokeswoman said in a statement. Javelin anti-tank systems can be produced at a rate of more than 6,000 a year as of 2022, according to Department of Defense budget documents. They have been made in a joint venture of Raytheon/Lockheed Martin Javelin Joint Venture in Orlando and in Tucson, Arizona, according to the company and Department of Defense documents. Stinger anti-aircraft missiles are produced by Raytheon in Tucson. Russia trying to defeat US stockpiles with 'meat'? What was old is new again I guess. Man that shitty leadership needs a flush. |
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Originally Posted By stone-age: Shit. Really? Shit. Well, by the end of the week my coffee pile is going to be pretty impressive. I believe I have about 12 cans right now. I buy when it is on sale, I buy a lot. Week after that my caffeine pill pile will be impressive. After I run out of those? Well, shit. Then I learn how to make caffeine? I don't know. Maybe the results of the russian invasion will be easing up by then. This russian invasion is going to have nasty far reaching consequences for the entire world. View Quote Why are we running out of coffee now? I missed it. I thought coffee was from South & Central America. |
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I've been battling some internal demons this week, so far I'm 0 for 6.
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Originally Posted By KELBEAST: Wait, seriously? The mayor was quoted 7 hours ago saying the city is in the hands of the occupiers View Quote They're still fighting it out for part of the city. Did you see the video of Azov being marched in the streets? I bet they'll be in a ditch soon.
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Originally Posted By BigB32: A Ukrainian fighter in Mariupol fires an AT weapon directly into the turret of a Russian tank https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCyUrEds3Sg View Quote "That one bounced" |
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Originally Posted By weptek911: Why are we running out of coffee now? I missed it. I thought coffee was from South & Central America. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By weptek911: Originally Posted By stone-age: Shit. Really? Shit. Well, by the end of the week my coffee pile is going to be pretty impressive. I believe I have about 12 cans right now. I buy when it is on sale, I buy a lot. Week after that my caffeine pill pile will be impressive. After I run out of those? Well, shit. Then I learn how to make caffeine? I don't know. Maybe the results of the russian invasion will be easing up by then. This russian invasion is going to have nasty far reaching consequences for the entire world. Why are we running out of coffee now? I missed it. I thought coffee was from South & Central America. Fertilizer. |
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Originally Posted By AeroE: Policy is precisely what that addled dipshit should be discussing. In clear unambiguous language that needs no interpretation or reading tea leaves. That failure is a clear failure of leadership from any part of the government. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By AeroE: Originally Posted By Rebel31: So Biden says its his personal feelings but its not a policy?
That failure is a clear failure of leadership from any part of the government. Oh the admin is already walking back his comments from today which now the 2nd time in 3 days they've done a 180 from what Biden said. Who is in charge is a mystery at this point but none of them are on the same page. Like I said earlier this is getting picked up by foreign media and getting played repeatedly in a not so great light. |
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Originally Posted By Mal_means_bad: Tanks didn't work out so good, so Russia is going full ISIS technical brigade https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAiLJAX3-eQ View Quote Allah wills it. |
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I've been battling some internal demons this week, so far I'm 0 for 6.
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Originally Posted By MBUZICHOMA: Yep. Well into international waters. Romania found it so no Russia disinformation. Any ship that hits a mine will be assumed to be from Ukrania. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By MBUZICHOMA: Originally Posted By Banditman: Originally Posted By Chokey:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FO8-rbAWYAISW0R?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FO8-t50XMAgqWsf?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FO8-vZRXoAMrF2k?format=jpg&name=large That will probably what gets WWIII started. A loose mine and a NATO ship. Yep. Well into international waters. Romania found it so no Russia disinformation. Any ship that hits a mine will be assumed to be from Ukrania. Yeah, but don't assume that Ukraine launched it. It could have been located at a base where the Rooskie got their hands on it. they did come out with a bulletin saying they had mines in the waters. |
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Originally Posted By Rebel31: So Biden says its his personal feelings but its not a policy?
View Quote Right on. Blinking not allowed. |
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Originally Posted By KELBEAST: Wait, seriously? The mayor was quoted 7 hours ago saying the city is in the hands of the occupiers View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By KELBEAST: Originally Posted By JG_Wentworth: Mariupol was also taken back by Ukrainians. Only a matter of time before Russia loses more territory Wait, seriously? The mayor was quoted 7 hours ago saying the city is in the hands of the occupiers No. Without relief, Mariupol will fall soon. |
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Originally Posted By 2tired2run: I think you left off Plan E: We're going to use tactical nukes to create a no mans land. The general consensus is Russia/Putin wants to create a buffer zone for Russia. They can't occupy and hold it, and it's increasingly obvious they're not going to get a puppet government in UKR. So it looks like the odds of Russia drawing a new border that includes no go zone by tossing a few low yield nukes are going up. Where that line gets drawn is the question. Does he take out Kyiv in the process? They obviously want the coastal areas and can probably hold the food and mineral rich areas of the east. They've already rubbled the cities and are starting to deport locals which would make that task easier. I could be wrong and I hope so, but Putin does not look like he's going to walk away from this. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 2tired2run: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: Originally Posted By rca2222: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: Originally Posted By Eight_Ring: Originally Posted By _disconnector_: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: Originally Posted By Birddog15: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: Amazing clip:
And overall great (37 post) thread on how sanctions will begin the unraveling of Russia:
If that first clip is from a pro Putin talk show, then I guess what he is saying is that it must either be total victory over Ukraine, or the end of Russia. Am I understanding that correctly? He's saying essentially that if "The Great Power known as Russia" TM can't subdue little Ukraine, then the mythos of Russian Power/ Greatness will be shattered irrevocably, and they will be on their way as a worthless power and heading toward the dustbin of history. Basically he's saying if they can't take Ukraine, any future threat against NATO or the US will seem utterly absurd. And it was their ability to threaten NATO/US that have Russia its Gravitas and domestic legitimacy for the last 70+ years. The perception of power *is* power . . . and the world's perception of Russia is that they couldn't knock over a lemonade stand run by a troop of girl scouts at this point. If they don't win definitively - total surrender without conditions - then they lose. Period. They are setting the stage for escalation. What other choice do they have? Serious question. Plenty; the best case is not escalation but just keep doing what they are doing until they can negotiate a 80/20 solution: 1. Crimea recognized as Russian territory 2. Ukraine commits to not join NATO or host offensive weapons (ABM, SRBM, Cruise, etc) 3. Donbass becomes 'autonomous' buffer state* (this the least important of the 2) Achieving 1+2 would actually be a substantial victory, especially if forecast out 40-50 years. Assuming of course that the west removes sanctions if Ukraine asks them too as part of the peace deal. Thats my biggest fear - Ukraine strikes a peace deal with Russia...and then the US/West says 'fuck that' and keeps the sanctions going, prompting Russia to continue the war. Thats when escalation is going to happen. Your three points are the exact ones I made before the invasion, though I added the restoration of water flow through the Crimean canal. I'm convinced that if they had been offered before that he wouldn't have invaded. That is NOT to say that I think he should get those things, or that Ukraine should agree to such demands. Sanctions are going to be a political problem for the west regardless. If Russian wells, pipelines, and refineries are permanently damaged (see Zeihan), the oil shock will be politically untenable. If images of starving people hit the news because Russian grain isn't arriving, yet another politically untenable situation will develop. Like it or not, Russia is an important world supplier of both commodities. Thats basically my take on things too. My gut instinct of how Putins plans shifted: Putin Plan A: "My build up of menacing forces on the border to ratchet up tensions will compel a weak and divided west / ukraine to go for quick negotiation to solve the Ukrainian nato / crimea problem once and for all. No one wants to play poker with the Vladster" Putin Plan B: "In unlikely case this doesn't work, lightning war of regime change. Glorious Red Army TM will sweep like through Ukrainian Nazis and race traitors like a scythe through so much wheat, and funnyman puppet zelenski will flee to europe. The war will be over before the West can respond, and the new Totally Legit pro-Russian ruler of Ukraine will strike a lasting peace." Putin Plan C: "Fuck fuck fuck, thats a lot of ATGMs. And most of the last decades military money has been stollen by totally not me.... time to channel my idol, the OG Man of Steel himself, and just send everything I have into the meat grinder in hopes of smashing the Ukrainians teeth with our bones, then overwhelm them with our Orc hordes and mass MLRS dakka." Putin Plan D: "Fuck, these Ukrainians can endure more suffering than a Dostoevsky novel, and my economy is imploding because the only thing we produce domestically is oil and razor blades. Lets double down on smashing their cites and hope they come to the negotiating table, and if not we'll snag what territory we can by May 9th then declare victory." I think one of the main reasons this war is so insane and poorly executed is that Putin did not expect Plan A to fail, and certainly did not then expect Plan B to fail as well. And so the war has been less a carefully planned lethal ballet, and more a slap dash improvisation on the ground...using a military command structure not suited to improvisation. I think you left off Plan E: We're going to use tactical nukes to create a no mans land. The general consensus is Russia/Putin wants to create a buffer zone for Russia. They can't occupy and hold it, and it's increasingly obvious they're not going to get a puppet government in UKR. So it looks like the odds of Russia drawing a new border that includes no go zone by tossing a few low yield nukes are going up. Where that line gets drawn is the question. Does he take out Kyiv in the process? They obviously want the coastal areas and can probably hold the food and mineral rich areas of the east. They've already rubbled the cities and are starting to deport locals which would make that task easier. I could be wrong and I hope so, but Putin does not look like he's going to walk away from this. Making Ukraine a radioactive exclusion zone, at the costs of millions of lives, might not turn out too well for Russia. You think they are getting sanctions and hate now.. |
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“This is America damnit! I don’t think we will become like these other countries. I don’t think we can. Courage is too contagious here.” -James O’Keefe, 1/17/22
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Originally Posted By Dracster: No. Without relief, Mariupol will fall soon. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Dracster: Originally Posted By KELBEAST: Originally Posted By JG_Wentworth: Mariupol was also taken back by Ukrainians. Only a matter of time before Russia loses more territory Wait, seriously? The mayor was quoted 7 hours ago saying the city is in the hands of the occupiers No. Without relief, Mariupol will fall soon.
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Originally Posted By weptek911: Why are we running out of coffee now? I missed it. I thought coffee was from South & Central America. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By HiramRanger: Sounds like we need to hand over some F-22s and F-35s with "specially trained pilots" to Ukraine. Never let your enemy dictate the terms of your actions. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By HiramRanger: Originally Posted By HIPPO:
Sounds like we need to hand over some F-22s and F-35s with "specially trained pilots" to Ukraine. Never let your enemy dictate the terms of your actions. Shit, from the looks of it, the Rhode Island National Guard could beat Russia. |
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“This is America damnit! I don’t think we will become like these other countries. I don’t think we can. Courage is too contagious here.” -James O’Keefe, 1/17/22
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