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Posted: 3/28/2022 7:15:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PurpleOtter: OK, we're nuking the Russians! my morning coffee is on the line. Coffee farmers face 'mega emergency' as fertilizer costs soar It's world war three. Oh, and we're out of coffee. :nuclear |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 7:22:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: I'm thinking peacekeeping apaches and shit. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Originally Posted By HiramRanger: Sounds like we need to hand over some F-22s and F-35s with "specially trained pilots" to Ukraine. Never let your enemy dictate the terms of your actions.  |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 7:25:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SmilingBandit: In practice but there's nothing in the charter to codify that position. The "border incursion" description was the weak name given by a previous administration to water down the invasion of a sovereign country by a foreign military. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SmilingBandit: Originally Posted By rca2222: Like I previously replied, it is the term used by NATO. Having disputed borders disqualifies Ukraine from joining. In practice but there's nothing in the charter to codify that position. The "border incursion" description was the weak name given by a previous administration to water down the invasion of a sovereign country by a foreign military. The idea that Putin invaded in 2014 to create disputed borders to prevent Ukraine from joining has been discussed in this thread. It certainly has worked. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 7:26:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By kbi: Originally Posted By m35ben: Originally Posted By HiramRanger: Sounds like we need to hand over some F-22s and F-35s with "specially trained pilots" to Ukraine. Never let your enemy dictate the terms of your actions. https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AbleLikableBaiji-max-1mb.gif For video watching purposes i really want to see a flight of apaches steamroll through. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 7:26:52 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/28/2022 7:30:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rca2222: The idea that Putin invaded in 2014 to create disputed borders to prevent Ukraine from joining has been discussed in this thread. It certainly has worked. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rca2222: Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: Originally Posted By rca2222: Like I previously replied, it is the term used by NATO. Having disputed borders disqualifies Ukraine from joining. In practice but there's nothing in the charter to codify that position. The "border incursion" description was the weak name given by a previous administration to water down the invasion of a sovereign country by a foreign military. The idea that Putin invaded in 2014 to create disputed borders to prevent Ukraine from joining has been discussed in this thread. It certainly has worked. It sure did. That’s what I meant when I said it works in practice. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 7:30:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 7empest: https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-201d3047e8257e59de3d8b182c3605e3.webp |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 7:33:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: If accurate, Chernihiv is close to getting some relief. https://t.me/OSINTUKRAINE/3903 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-03-28_13-37-29_jpg-2329684.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-03-28_13-37-28_jpg-2329685.JPG I think the opposite, they are now cut off from relief for the first time? I didn’t think Chernihiv had been cut off and largely had just been shelled since the beginning of the invasion… |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 7:36:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 7empest: https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-201d3047e8257e59de3d8b182c3605e3.webp Sweet. Very sneaky. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 7:37:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: They're still fighting it out for part of the city. Did you see the video of Azov being marched in the streets? I bet they'll be in a ditch soon.
Did you read the posters profile? Everything about that video looks way off. Weather, roads, clean uniforms, people in the streets, etc. I'm betting that's from 2014, if it's even UA. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 7:38:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PurpleOtter: Chechnya says Kadyrov is in Mariupol - sporting general's epaulettes from Putin Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PurpleOtter: VALENTYNA ROMANENKO - MONDAY, 28 MARCH 2022, 18:12 Russian President Vladimir Putin has promoted Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov to the military rank of Lieutenant General. Russian media report that Kadyrov is in Mariupol, which is besieged by Russian occupiers . Source: Mohammed Daudov, head of the Chechen parliament, and Akhmed Dudayev, Chechnya's minister for national policy, foreign relations, press and information, as quoted by the Russian newspaper "RBC" Details: Commenting on the awarding of the rank to Kadyrov, Daudov wrote on his social media site that "the Chechen leader's contribution to the victory over international terrorism in the Chechen Republic, and to the preservation of Russia's integrity cannot be overestimated." Another video allegedly from Mariupol was posted on Kadyrov's Telegram channel on Monday. "RBC" writes that the Chechen government confirmed to them that Kadyrov is in Mariupol, where, they say, "the principal outcome" is approaching. The head of the Chechen government said that "in the next few days the city will be taken and cleared of nationalists and Nazis. And Kadyrov,  according to Daudov, "came to Mariupol to talk, to raise morale, to provide additional technical equipment, and to adjust and refine the strategy for further actions in the next couple of days."Background: Since the first days of the full-scale war, the Russian invaders have been levelling Mariupol with air raids. The invader keeps trying to take over the city, but is rebuffed by the Ukrainian resistance forces. Well the way ukraine has been dropping generals, I think Putin just sealed that dudes fate. Maybe the extra $25 a month raise will let him afford some better armor
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Posted: 3/28/2022 7:38:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hodgepodge: More like where we import 1/10 of what we do from Canada. Or basically the same amount we used to import from Russia. Edit, nevermind missed the tongue in cheek claiming Canada is the enemy. Canada is the enemy. Sadly warriors like John Candy who did take up arms are gone now. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 7:38:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7empest]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Is that used anymore? Yes I believe so. http://www.military-today.com/helicopters/ah_64e.htm |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 7:38:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BerettaGuy: https://rightedition.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/pjw-youtube-im-done.jpg This is one of the spies?? |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 7:40:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: They're still fighting it out for part of the city. Did you see the video of Azov being marched in the streets? I bet they'll be in a ditch soon.
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Originally Posted By KELBEAST: Wait, seriously? The mayor was quoted 7 hours ago saying the city is in the hands of the occupiers They're still fighting it out for part of the city. Did you see the video of Azov being marched in the streets? I bet they'll be in a ditch soon.
Looks like a nice summer day for a march, no comrade? |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 7:42:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By j_hooker: This is one of the spies?? Not really he is just a nutter Alex Joneski sycophant |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 7:42:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Climbmadone: Canada is the enemy. Sadly warriors like John Candy who did take up arms are gone now. Canada is the US a little further down the road with the US having a few more speed bumps. Are the guys who roadblocked the cities the enemy? No. Are "we" responsible for gender and race educational days in our military and government? No. But it is our government none the less. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 7:43:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: CharlieR]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: They're still fighting it out for part of the city. Did you see the video of Azov being marched in the streets? I bet they'll be in a ditch soon.
Why are they wearing T shirts in that video? At :14 I see two guys in T-shirts. I see a lot of videos with snow on the ground elsewhere in Ukraine. Weather in Mariupol today was in the 40s. Looks fake. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 7:44:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: Sweet. Very sneaky. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By 7empest: https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-201d3047e8257e59de3d8b182c3605e3.webp Sweet. Very sneaky. Flying mine? |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 7:45:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By theskuh: For video watching purposes i really want to see a flight of apaches steamroll through. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By theskuh: Originally Posted By kbi: Originally Posted By m35ben: Originally Posted By HiramRanger: Sounds like we need to hand over some F-22s and F-35s with "specially trained pilots" to Ukraine. Never let your enemy dictate the terms of your actions. https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AbleLikableBaiji-max-1mb.gif For video watching purposes i really want to see a flight of apaches steamroll through.  
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Posted: 3/28/2022 7:46:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: They're still fighting it out for part of the city. Did you see the video of Azov being marched in the streets? I bet they'll be in a ditch soon.
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Originally Posted By KELBEAST: Wait, seriously? The mayor was quoted 7 hours ago saying the city is in the hands of the occupiers They're still fighting it out for part of the city. Did you see the video of Azov being marched in the streets? I bet they'll be in a ditch soon.
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Posted: 3/28/2022 7:47:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CharlieR: Why are they wearing T shirts in that video? At :14 I see two guys in T-shirts. I see a lot of videos with snow on the ground elsewhere in Ukraine. Weather in Mariupol today was in the 40s. Looks fake. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 7:47:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: Looks like a nice summer day for a march, no comrade? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Originally Posted By KELBEAST: Wait, seriously? The mayor was quoted 7 hours ago saying the city is in the hands of the occupiers They're still fighting it out for part of the city. Did you see the video of Azov being marched in the streets? I bet they'll be in a ditch soon.
Looks like a nice summer day for a march, no comrade? Tshirts and bare arms all over the place. Day temps seem about 44F so seems like bullshit. Based on pics from like the last 24h dont really show Tshirt weather  |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 7:47:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Croak]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By anono: Did you read the posters profile? Everything about that video looks way off. Weather, roads, clean uniforms, people in the streets, etc. I'm betting that's from 2014, if it's even UA. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By anono: Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: They're still fighting it out for part of the city. Did you see the video of Azov being marched in the streets? I bet they'll be in a ditch soon.
Did you read the posters profile? Everything about that video looks way off. Weather, roads, clean uniforms, people in the streets, etc. I'm betting that's from 2014, if it's even UA.
Dupe, sorry. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 7:47:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CharlieR: Why are they wearing T shirts in that video? At :14 I see two guys in T-shirts. I see a lot of videos with snow on the ground elsewhere in Ukraine. Weather in Mariupol today was in the 40s. Looks fake. It also doesn’t look like a city that’s undergone constant shelling and has thousands and thousands dead. It’s getting called out as from the 2014 conflict in the Twitter comments |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 7:47:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MattyCR: Flying mine? Sorta lol it can make things go all explody. 
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Posted: 3/28/2022 7:49:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Croak:
Dupe, sorry. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Croak: Originally Posted By anono: Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: They're still fighting it out for part of the city. Did you see the video of Azov being marched in the streets? I bet they'll be in a ditch soon.
Did you read the posters profile? Everything about that video looks way off. Weather, roads, clean uniforms, people in the streets, etc. I'm betting that's from 2014, if it's even UA.
Dupe, sorry. 35 seconds 
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Posted: 3/28/2022 7:50:33 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/28/2022 7:55:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: Exactly. The president is supposed to be the voice of the nation. Not talking about his feelings while we are on the edge of trading nukes. Fucking idiot. If this is part of planned tactics, then fine. But I think he just opens his mouth and says stuff. He told the truth ! |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 7:55:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Banditman]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CharlieR: Why are they wearing T shirts in that video? At :14 I see two guys in T-shirts. I see a lot of videos with snow on the ground elsewhere in Ukraine. Weather in Mariupol today was in the 40s. Looks fake. some people including myself get overheated even in cold temps and can easily wear t shirts in cold weather. Edit, earlier vid, but my point still stands about people having tolerance to cold weather, |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 7:55:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 7empest: https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-201d3047e8257e59de3d8b182c3605e3.webp Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 7empest: https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-201d3047e8257e59de3d8b182c3605e3.webp Peek abo |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 7:56:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey: Originally Posted By Dracster: Originally Posted By KELBEAST: Originally Posted By JG_Wentworth: Mariupol was also taken back by Ukrainians. Only a matter of time before Russia loses more territory Wait, seriously? The mayor was quoted 7 hours ago saying the city is in the hands of the occupiers No. Without relief, Mariupol will fall soon.
These guys need to do like the Marines did at Chosin Reservoir and execute a fighting retreat so they can regroup and rearm. They are worth much more as a fighting force than a battle to the last stand. It just sucks the Ukrainians can't provide relief. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 7:57:04 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/28/2022 7:58:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By anono: Did you read the posters profile? Everything about that video looks way off. Weather, roads, clean uniforms, people in the streets, etc. I'm betting that's from 2014, if it's even UA. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By anono: Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: They're still fighting it out for part of the city. Did you see the video of Azov being marched in the streets? I bet they'll be in a ditch soon.
Did you read the posters profile? Everything about that video looks way off. Weather, roads, clean uniforms, people in the streets, etc. I'm betting that's from 2014, if it's even UA. Wow the trees got green real quick,fake |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 7:59:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO:
I think more than a few of us called it. Putin will put the fire out with human bodies. As many as it takes to "win." What a god-forsaken failure of a culture. It really deserves to die. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 8:00:05 PM EDT
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Did that counteroffensive in the south stall out outside of Kherson or are they still pushing?
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Posted: 3/28/2022 8:00:35 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/28/2022 8:05:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1Andy2: I think more than a few of us called it. Putin will put the fire out with human bodies. As many as it takes to "win." What a god-forsaken failure of a culture. It really deserves to die. Send more ammo and bags. By the time they get there, they'll be nothing more than fodder |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 8:06:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FO-WFe4XsAEwCkc?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 Which now begs the question, will Kyiv and the western regions stay “clean” so Ukraine can be able to focus eastward? Or will the Russians seep back in and keep needling enough that they stay tied up around the capitol while Russia does Russia things in Donbass and Luhansk. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 8:07:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Drakich]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO:
More proof that Russia is winning. Finally they can get their elite troops into the game. Like they planned all along. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 8:08:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NY12ga:
WAIT A MINUTE, so what is the status of AZOV? That isn't them? |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 8:09:56 PM EDT
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R&U Videos is a Russian propaganda channel that I first noticed a couple of years ago. He just posted this:
 Interview with Ukrainian pilot that was shot down and captured by Russians on February 27th, 2022 Time to hit that report button and get this fucker shut down! |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 8:11:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Freiheit8472]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kbi: https://militarymachine.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Boeing-AH-64-Apache-Military-Machine.gif Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kbi: Originally Posted By theskuh: Originally Posted By kbi: Originally Posted By m35ben: Originally Posted By HiramRanger: Sounds like we need to hand over some F-22s and F-35s with "specially trained pilots" to Ukraine. Never let your enemy dictate the terms of your actions. https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AbleLikableBaiji-max-1mb.gif For video watching purposes i really want to see a flight of apaches steamroll through. https://militarymachine.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Boeing-AH-64-Apache-Military-Machine.gif If there is a God, please let the defenders of Mariupol witness that flight, along with some A10’s. Their joy would be unimaginable and the US would be fighting the good fight again. ETA: could you imagine how motivated our guys would be? Fighting for freedom again like in wwii for a grateful populace and nation |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 8:11:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CharlieR: Why are they wearing T shirts in that video? At :14 I see two guys in T-shirts. I see a lot of videos with snow on the ground elsewhere in Ukraine. Weather in Mariupol today was in the 40s. Looks fake. It is FAKE... BELIEVE NOTHING RUSSIANS SAY....... EVER!!! |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 8:11:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1Andy2: I think more than a few of us called it. Putin will put the fire out with human bodies. As many as it takes to "win." What a god-forsaken failure of a culture. It really deserves to die. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1Andy2: Originally Posted By HIPPO:
I think more than a few of us called it. Putin will put the fire out with human bodies. As many as it takes to "win." What a god-forsaken failure of a culture. It really deserves to die. Said it earlier on: Russia is going to try and out 'Meat' US defence production. Ironically Putin said there would be no draft for this operation. I can only hope this pissed some of the population off. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 8:12:31 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/28/2022 8:12:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: Making Ukraine a radioactive exclusion zone, at the costs of millions of lives, might not turn out too well for Russia. You think they are getting sanctions and hate now.. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By 2tired2run: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: Originally Posted By rca2222: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: Originally Posted By Eight_Ring: Originally Posted By _disconnector_: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: Originally Posted By Birddog15: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: Amazing clip:
And overall great (37 post) thread on how sanctions will begin the unraveling of Russia:
If that first clip is from a pro Putin talk show, then I guess what he is saying is that it must either be total victory over Ukraine, or the end of Russia. Am I understanding that correctly? He's saying essentially that if "The Great Power known as Russia" TM can't subdue little Ukraine, then the mythos of Russian Power/ Greatness will be shattered irrevocably, and they will be on their way as a worthless power and heading toward the dustbin of history. Basically he's saying if they can't take Ukraine, any future threat against NATO or the US will seem utterly absurd. And it was their ability to threaten NATO/US that have Russia its Gravitas and domestic legitimacy for the last 70+ years. The perception of power *is* power . . . and the world's perception of Russia is that they couldn't knock over a lemonade stand run by a troop of girl scouts at this point. If they don't win definitively - total surrender without conditions - then they lose. Period. They are setting the stage for escalation. What other choice do they have? Serious question. Plenty; the best case is not escalation but just keep doing what they are doing until they can negotiate a 80/20 solution: 1. Crimea recognized as Russian territory 2. Ukraine commits to not join NATO or host offensive weapons (ABM, SRBM, Cruise, etc) 3. Donbass becomes 'autonomous' buffer state* (this the least important of the 2) Achieving 1+2 would actually be a substantial victory, especially if forecast out 40-50 years. Assuming of course that the west removes sanctions if Ukraine asks them too as part of the peace deal. Thats my biggest fear - Ukraine strikes a peace deal with Russia...and then the US/West says 'fuck that' and keeps the sanctions going, prompting Russia to continue the war. Thats when escalation is going to happen. Your three points are the exact ones I made before the invasion, though I added the restoration of water flow through the Crimean canal. I'm convinced that if they had been offered before that he wouldn't have invaded. That is NOT to say that I think he should get those things, or that Ukraine should agree to such demands. Sanctions are going to be a political problem for the west regardless. If Russian wells, pipelines, and refineries are permanently damaged (see Zeihan), the oil shock will be politically untenable. If images of starving people hit the news because Russian grain isn't arriving, yet another politically untenable situation will develop. Like it or not, Russia is an important world supplier of both commodities. Thats basically my take on things too. My gut instinct of how Putins plans shifted: Putin Plan A: "My build up of menacing forces on the border to ratchet up tensions will compel a weak and divided west / ukraine to go for quick negotiation to solve the Ukrainian nato / crimea problem once and for all. No one wants to play poker with the Vladster" Putin Plan B: "In unlikely case this doesn't work, lightning war of regime change. Glorious Red Army TM will sweep like through Ukrainian Nazis and race traitors like a scythe through so much wheat, and funnyman puppet zelenski will flee to europe. The war will be over before the West can respond, and the new Totally Legit pro-Russian ruler of Ukraine will strike a lasting peace." Putin Plan C: "Fuck fuck fuck, thats a lot of ATGMs. And most of the last decades military money has been stollen by totally not me.... time to channel my idol, the OG Man of Steel himself, and just send everything I have into the meat grinder in hopes of smashing the Ukrainians teeth with our bones, then overwhelm them with our Orc hordes and mass MLRS dakka." Putin Plan D: "Fuck, these Ukrainians can endure more suffering than a Dostoevsky novel, and my economy is imploding because the only thing we produce domestically is oil and razor blades. Lets double down on smashing their cites and hope they come to the negotiating table, and if not we'll snag what territory we can by May 9th then declare victory." I think one of the main reasons this war is so insane and poorly executed is that Putin did not expect Plan A to fail, and certainly did not then expect Plan B to fail as well. And so the war has been less a carefully planned lethal ballet, and more a slap dash improvisation on the ground...using a military command structure not suited to improvisation. I think you left off Plan E: We're going to use tactical nukes to create a no mans land. The general consensus is Russia/Putin wants to create a buffer zone for Russia. They can't occupy and hold it, and it's increasingly obvious they're not going to get a puppet government in UKR. So it looks like the odds of Russia drawing a new border that includes no go zone by tossing a few low yield nukes are going up. Where that line gets drawn is the question. Does he take out Kyiv in the process? They obviously want the coastal areas and can probably hold the food and mineral rich areas of the east. They've already rubbled the cities and are starting to deport locals which would make that task easier. I could be wrong and I hope so, but Putin does not look like he's going to walk away from this. Making Ukraine a radioactive exclusion zone, at the costs of millions of lives, might not turn out too well for Russia. You think they are getting sanctions and hate now.. Maybe but they don't seem to care |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 8:14:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1Andy2: I think more than a few of us called it. Putin will put the fire out with human bodies. As many as it takes to "win." What a god-forsaken failure of a culture. It really deserves to die. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1Andy2: Originally Posted By HIPPO:
I think more than a few of us called it. Putin will put the fire out with human bodies. As many as it takes to "win." What a god-forsaken failure of a culture. It really deserves to die. Hopefully all those men do. Grind them up Ukraine. Russia won’t exist in a few years. We need to be starting g a contingency to take control of their nukes when C&C on the Russian gov breaks apart. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 8:14:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigB32: A Ukrainian fighter in Mariupol fires an AT weapon directly into the turret of a Russian tank  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCyUrEds3SgDon't those things have a minimum arming distance. I was a Dragon gunner in the late 80's and the M47 was a minimum of 65 meters to arm. That shot looks pretty close. David |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 8:16:37 PM EDT
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